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M.V.P - An Ambiguous Title.

My Modus Operandi has always been that if you don't have anything good to post, don't post at all. But here's the problem with that. Most or at least many of the the threads in the WWE section are utter shite. I'm proclaiming a crusade of better threads so we can rid the world of fantasy trades and who should face who at Wrestlemania.

So what is there to discuss that would generate over 5 replies? How about:

Why M.V.P is a failure to me OR How I began to stop worriying about the future and enjoy the now.

Ah M.V.P. We had such high hopes for you. For those who don't know, Montel Vontavious Porter has been under contract with the WWE since 2005, doing work in DSW. He appeared on WWE TV in late 2006 on SmackDown! Why bother trying to explain his history. Anyone on these forums should know who he is and his current position on the WWE roster.

Midcard City, Population MVP. Hell there Mr Porter. Now I want you to raise your hand behind that computer screen of yours if you think that M.V.P had potential. I know I did! In fact he was involved in what some people called the greatest feud of 2007 when he fought Matt Hardy for the US title. Well this is really swell, but M.V.P, what have you done for me since then? I'll tell you what you've done. Nothing. You have done nothing deserving of recognition. Which begs me to ask the question, why do you have such a following? I hear catcalls for MVP vs Randy Orton for the title. I ask, how many people would actually get excited about a match like this? Does the public believe this should be headlining Summerslam?

He's okay in the ring. I believe the main reason he gets so much credit is perhaps because of the series he had with a certain Chris Benoit in early 2007 to capture his first US title. Good stuff I suppose. But that was an age ago in wrestling time. I ask you, when was the last truly memorable MVP match you saw. One that didnt involve 5 other wrestlers. He has failed to evolve as an in ring wrestler to me. His moves in the ring seem very awkward, the movements as he goes through them very jarred. I haven't seen his running kick executed smoothly or realistically in months. His playmaker finisher is ridiculous, and nothing else is memorable in his arsenal. Why do you have such a following M.V.P?

On the microphone, you are okay. I admit, when you host you're little Highlight Reel show, V.I.P Lounge is it? Replete with your own bouncer you do okay. But what part of M.V.P's promos are exactly enticing? Do we hang off his every word? Nope we sure don't. So what exactly in him has the trappings of a superstar? I'm damn sure that an MVP Orton feud would be extremely boring. When the best thing about your matches is your entrance, which isnt even done anymore for being too technically demanding, I think you have a problem. He's bland as bland can be. The spark he had of being a "pro athlete free agent" when first arriving in 2006 is all but dried up. He's bland like The Foo Fighters to Xfearbefore. He holds no interest to me, nor to the casual fan, as we can hear from his mediocre pops when he runs out, trying to excite the crowd for another of his dreary matches.

But is this an M.V.P bashing thread? No. If it were, what would distinguish my thread from any other in the sea of these in the WWE section. What I am simply advocating is this. Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Look before you leap, and a thousand other proverbs that pass the lips of our respective mothers. In 2007, we were refering to M.V.P as the next Rock, Ken Kennedy as our next Stone Cold. Which begs me to ask the question, Where are they now? One is released and one is stuck in the mid card, trying to gather together some sort of crowd reaction to climb his way out. And who is he feuding with? Jack Swagger. A golden boy in the IWC. He's the goddamn second coming and I'm a part of his Fan Club in the Spam Zone. You know why? Because he's fucking great.

But am I going to be disappointed by him in a few years when he's losing to the next brand new upstart while people climb up the ladder above him? How are we supposed to know? You see, I regret not appreciating the brilliance of the Hardy/MVP feud while it was happening. I didnt enjoy the moments while it was happening, and thus what was once a birght future is now nothing. So I ask you, enjoy Jack Swagger for now, enjoy Dolph Ziggler for now, because who knows what may come down the track. Don't say "Imagaine what Ziggler will do in the future", Instead pop for him NOW and compliment him for that match at Night Of Champions. Lets turn the tide and give our future a chance by enjoying them now.

Oh for gods sake this thread is going to die after 5 posts isnt it?



 
im the first post lol poeple were saying mvp would be world champ by now i have no idea why they stoped i dont know if poeple would really like this it has just came to my mind turn in the future turn mvp heel get him a role and like what booker did in tna have a new title the legends title well how about the MVP title so he could come out and say olny mvp poeple hold this title and that would be ME and no one else that could come out much better but im just thinking off my head if they did that bring a mvp title that he brings in it would give him a BIG push then in 2 years win the rumble it then maina 27 win the world/wwe title
 
Unfortunately i think MvP is in the position of getting the next hot star over, before he even achieves his own greatness, who is not to say that mvp's matches in 2007 weren't the pinnacle of his career, or maybe MvP is getting phased into a darkhorse candidate. meaning spends a bit being buried in useless storylines than poof out of no where a huge win over the right top guy (my pick is Shawn Micheals) and than all that stuff we thought we seen in the future would just explode onto the scene and come a reality. one can still hope and dream.
 
Ah, a live in the moment type philosophy, I like it. Had I, personally, been doing this two years ago, I would have gotten so much more out of Kennedy than I did. I think you are correct and more people should adopt this philosophy. Right now Zach Ryder is being entertaining as hell and having great matches on ECW, but I see threads popping up of should he be ECW champion or should he move to Raw, instead of enjoying him. Miz had decent matches with Cena and is still on tv but people want to know when he'll enter the Main Event, instead we should be enjoying him while we can.

And to the man of the hour, MVP, who is still flirting with the WWE title picture, I thought he had a decent enough match with Masters, but I do see your point about his unimpressive move-set. He does make it hard to enjoy his matches when there isn't much to see outside of a Drive-by boot and the Playmaker. So yes, the Hardy feud could be the pinnacle of his career and some of us could have missed it while looking to the future, instead of enjoying the now.

On a side note, there is one guy that comes to mind that MVP's career is KIND OF mimicking right now. Jeff Hardy seemed to flirt with the Main Event for forever without actually breaking in and then it seems one day he was the most over wrestler in WWE and there was nothing to do but put him over. The main difference is that Hardy has a much more memorable move set than MVP. So without missing out on what is going on now, you can still hope for a push.
 
BTW, good topic...

At first, I liked the guy. MVP came in like a TO/Chad Johnson/Ron Artest, etc. That was his gimmick. I liked it. The entrance was cool and his theme isn't too bad either. He was hot and heavy with a lot of high feuds with Kane, Kennedy and the Undertaker. Then MVP took the US title from Benoit and things were looking up. He had a great feud with Matt Hardy for the US Title and things were still looking up.

Then after WM24, the entrance disappeared since it took too long getting it down and it delayed the next wrestler from coming to the ring. Then the storyline moved to a losing streak. During this losing streak, a gut appeared in that horrid ring attire and his "Playmaker" finisher turned into a lazy kick that Orton already had on Raw. They turned him face with really no explaination except that "people were rooting for him to finally win," which no one really was. Now he's "flirting with the main event?" No. He is not.

The only way that MVP is in the main event is if Orton, Cena, HHH suddenly gets hurt again for a lengthy time or one of them retires. when HBK comes back, then I don't see it happening or even with Legacy any time soon. It is too bad.
 
I think MVP has all the potential in the world BUT right now the WWE is umm in a tough spot. They have alot of talent, Im talkin Cena Orton HHH HBK(when he gets back) plus they have to deal with swagger and Kofi so sadly MVP is the lone man out on Raw...if he were to go back to Smackdown I dot believe he would fare much better since they have Hardy, Punk, Taker(when he gets back) the current push for Morrison plus Ziggler is feudin with Rey and they do have Kane who has been dominant since returning so...I do however believe that creative dropped the ball on MVP when he was in the midst of that feud with Hardy he should have gotten pushed to ME than but now he's in a tough spot with nowhere for him to go.

My opinion when they had him interupt Orton after the drat they should have had him enter the feud with orton than and gave him some credibilty in the ME scene but again the ball was dropped. IMO his best chance would be to go back to Smackdown where there arent as many "stars"...especially if Hardy does indeed leave for his time off than that would leave a spot open for MVP to step into the ME. This is the only way I see MVP surviving in the WWE.
 
Hmm, should I let this thread die at 5 posts?

I raise my hand, I thought, no think the guy has potential, there is one reason for that. When he was US Champion and he came out and confronted Randy Orton, he got no reaction at all, then he started talking and it wasnt long before the crowd was cheering his words and saying his catchphrases. Then his match with Orton later on was great, the crowd really wanted him to win and he took him to the limit.

Fuck knows why that momentum didnt carry on, I've heard rumours but I dont really give a shit about those. I still have faith in MVP because this is a man who got punished with a 6 month long losing streak and still came out of it popular. In my opinion he'll get there again.
 
The main reason MVP hasn't wont the WWE title or WHC is because he's on Raw. He's stuck in the horrible mid card division and is lost in the shuffle, and it doesn't seem like the WWE is putting that much effort into getting MVP in the main event. Lets face it, Raw is has a very crowded mid card scene but they never put it to good use because they only focus on the main event. As I said in a different post, if your not Cena, HHH, or Orton, your not going to have very much success on Raw. He needs to go back to Smackdown where he'll be able to go into the main event scene.
 
The problem with MVP is that he just doesn't work as a face. The crowd doesn't care about him, his promos don't come off as well, and he just works too slow to be a face. The fact that he's stuck on Raw may play a factor, but if he actually was that good it wouldn't matter. He needs a heel turn as soon as possible to possibly save his career. He gets almost no pop at all even though he's been face for quite awhile now. I'd much rather see cocky and arrogant MVP talking about how he is the highest paid superstar in Raw history that whatever the hell he is now. If that doesn't happen soon, I could see him gone within a year.
 
The main reason MVP hasn't wont the WWE title or WHC is because he's on Raw. He's stuck in the horrible mid card division and is lost in the shuffle, and it doesn't seem like the WWE is putting that much effort into getting MVP in the main event. Lets face it, Raw is has a very crowded mid card scene but they never put it to good use because they only focus on the main event. As I said in a different post, if your not Cena, HHH, or Orton, your not going to have very much success on Raw. He needs to go back to Smackdown where he'll be able to go into the main event scene.

Oh I refuse to believe this. A crowded Mid Card scene? M.V.P got traded to RAW the draft. With a title. He was there before Jack Swagger and Evan Bourne. He had plenty of time. I hate that argument "Oh RAW is so crowded so you'll get buried". Why would MVP get buried? He was the US Champion and already more established than Kofi Kingston or Jack Swagger or The Miz. Why should he suffer from the same fate? I mean if anything he should be leading the mid card. I think it's ridiculous to say if you're name is HHH, Cena or Orton you're doomed to fail. Because SmackDown! is just as crowded. How could MVP survive amongst Rey, Ziggler, JoMo, Jericho, CM Punk, Hardy etc etc.

No no no, he could have been running RAW, because it's not crowded at all. It's just an excuse to hide the fact that he's really boring. Which burns all the more due to the fact that he used to be so interesting.
 
They should flip MVP back to heeldom and have him yap and yap weekly like a big shot to secure his heat but Miz has taken that spot and they broke up a very enjoyable Colon's tag team by turning Carlito heel.

So I don't see them turning him right now but yea,I wanna see another
round of MVP as a heel.

Either way I love the guy and hope gets better feuds and mic time.

And the net these days is constantly singling out MVP but newsflash folks,most WWE midcarders get little to no reaction during their entrance.

Bourne,Henry,Primo,Morrison,Dreamer aren't getting entrance pops but
everybody are zipped about them.

Kofi and Christian got fan signs for them,can get decent entrance pops
and very over during matches.I'm excluding them.


The problem with MVP is that he just doesn't work as a face. The crowd doesn't care about him, his promos don't come off as well, and he just works too slow to be a face. The fact that he's stuck on Raw may play a factor, but if he actually was that good it wouldn't matter. He needs a heel turn as soon as possible to possibly save his career. He gets almost no pop at all even though he's been face for quite awhile now. I'd much rather see cocky and arrogant MVP talking about how he is the highest paid superstar in Raw history that whatever the hell he is now. If that doesn't happen soon, I could see him gone within a year.

They care enough to chant his name and shout "Ballin".

His promos are fine actually.He's a good talker.

And again MOST WWE midcarders get no pop.

Morrison for example and he's getting World Title shots.

Where's his pop?
 

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