[Lockdown] The Aftermath & Discussion

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Great Match between Roode and Storm! But i'm afraid this was the right call to make. There's no better than Bobby Roode in TNA at this moment.

Plus, here's what I realised: Lockdown was to Storm, what BFG was to Roode. Roode's desire to win became an obsession after BFG because of his loss and deception, and it might do the same for Storm. Storm at Lockdown did not want to win, he wanted to get revenge, he wanted Roode to pay and that cost him. After BFG, Roode changed, he upgraded himself and that made him a more effective fighter. What if the same thing happens to Storm? And following that he manages to beat Roode?
 
There were some really good matches on this PPV. My two favorite were Hardy/Angle and Roode/Storm. I have this to say about the presentation of the show though. Mind you, I am a huuuuge TNA fan, but the production was absolutely crappy. It looked like I was watching FCW. No pyro, the entrances looked like I was watching a house show, and the top camera angle made the ring look smaller than it was.

To top it off, the NASHVILLE crowd was the worst I have ever seen or heard....should I say NOT heard. The Impact Zone crowd is 100 times more louder and rowdy than this damn Nashville crowd. I was hoping for a big production and and insane crowd. I got neither.

Dixie stated that after Lockdown, big changes were coming. They better be big because if anymore of what I saw tonight happens again, you best be damn sure the talent will look to greener pastures. I love TNA with a passion, but the production i saw tonight was utterly unacceptable. Scott Steiner is starting to sound like a genius, right about now.
 
There were some really good matches on this PPV. My two favorite were Hardy/Angle and Roode/Storm. I have this to say about the presentation of the show though. Mind you, I am a huuuuge TNA fan, but the production was absolutely crappy. It looked like I was watching FCW. No pyro, the entrances looked like I was watching a house show, and the top camera angle made the ring look smaller than it was.

To top it off, the NASHVILLE crowd was the worst I have ever seen or heard....should I say NOT heard. The Impact Zone crowd is 100 times more louder and rowdy than this damn Nashville crowd. I was hoping for a big production and and insane crowd. I got neither.

Dixie stated that after Lockdown, big changes were coming. They better be big because if anymore of what I saw tonight happens again, you best be damn sure the talent will look to greener pastures. I love TNA with a passion, but the production i saw tonight was utterly unacceptable. Scott Steiner is starting to sound like a genius, right about now.

Dead on with everything you said.

All-in-All, it was a decent ppv, but the crowd just was dead and made the show come off bad. I Never seen a crowd like that being that silent. The production was crap, it worse then i have ever seen from TNA, it was almost like watching the early PPV only days of TNA!

But i noticed a trend, The Ex-WWE boys besides storm/roode got the most reactions, it was like most of these people didn't know who any of the other talent were.
 
It takes time to post a comment. First off anyone that watched it is now trying to commit suicide because they wasted the money. Those at the arena have poked out their own eyes. Then the rest of the people were smart and figured I could read it on the WZ website because it gives you all the information you need. The details of the bad wrestling spots doesn't need to be seen.

Kurt Angle said him and Hardy can put on a show better than taker v HHH....That was TNA's version. Hardy and Angle match wasn't even close.

Then their is the booking...Build to a PPV where 0 titles change hands, lame as lame gets. I would prefer the sting hardy 30 sec match.
 
disappointed i mean this usually is TNAs 2nd best ppv...tonight it just didnt feel like lockdown. this has to be the worse one i've seen. i dont really care if titles didnt change, it's all about match quality to me. in my eyes there was only 2 good matches...and 1 decent...and none of those were the main event or lethal lockdown. You could tell angle's knee was affecting him..that match was still good but nowhere near close to the 5 star matches angle usually has at lockdown. I also thought the gail/velvet match was pretty good. nothing stellar but better than decent. The match that i found to be solid/decent and i know people will disagree...was morgan vs crimson Oh...and I def thought the whole flair thing was pointless and unneeded
 
Maybe I wasn't watching the same PPV as everyone else but I'll go through the show. Granted this is my first Lockdown PPV and I think maybe my 3rd TNA PPV since last year but tonight's show I thought wasn't that bad. The opening match was okay but considering WCW had been doing the same thing for years on end before going out of business, it wasn't anything new. I was glad to see Eric take the guitar shot though. The MCMG/Joe & Magnus match was ok but maybe because I have never seen MCMG before I was expecting too much? Devon vs Robbie E I felt was a waste. I'm not going to bash Robbie E vs Zack Ryder one being a rip off or any of that but a TV title at a PPV seems just odd considering what the title's name implies. Kim vs Sky was good but then again both are hot. The ending didn't seem to flow considering the match but well guess that's how matches go. The Flair and Hogan segment to me was no different then some of the crap at Mania with those concerts and such. Just another segment that shouldn't be on PPV time. If they waited for Impact then cool but don't waste PPV time with a segment with 2 dinosaurs who can't seem to walk away even if they are legends of the sport. Morgan vs Crimson I personally didn't like. I seem to remember Morgan being better but honestly in that match neither one seemed to shine. Hardy and Angle was my personal favorite match of the night. I could clearly see with all the kickouts and such what they were trying to create and yeah it wasn't by any means a HHH/Taker match, it was a pretty good match. ODB/Young vs Sarita and Rosita was well maybe another waste at least for me. I loved seeing Rosita but it might as well have been a handicap match. I don't even remember Young getting invlolved in the match and I can understand why he didn't with the storyline but it just made little sense. That leaves the main event. I personally enjoyed the match an awful lot. My 2nd favorite match of the night. At first I thought the ending was crap but after thinking about it, it makes good sense storyline wise and shows perhaps a what could be GREAT heel in Bobby ROOOOOde. As for the Cowby, Storm looked good as well. I think with TNA PPV's, people need to realize that you can't compare them to WWE. It isn't realistic or even fair. The major complaint I'll give to the PPV tonight was the crowd because it took them to the Hardy/Angle match to finally wake up which well seems typical with the TNA anything. I personally enjoyed Lockdown though and I'd give it a solid B.
 
I have to agree with what everyone has said thus far. I just posted over on the recap of Lockdown thread and thought the show was good. The crowd sucked but that's another discussion. As for Roode winning, it makes sense. TNA has something they can really work on and if Storm and Roode can keep producing matches like tonights then Roode can keep doing what he's doing.
 
"I'm not going to bash Robbie E vs Zack Ryder one being a rip off or any of that but a TV title at a PPV seems just odd considering what the title's name implies."

Pay per view IS more often then not watched on television, so I think a TV championship match fits in perfectly on a show.

As for the show it self, it wasn't THAT bad. There should have been some sort of title change in a show like that, but that's just my opinion. Kurt Angle vs Jeff Hardy was a very good match as was Bobby "I should go back to calling myself Robert" Roode vs James Storm. I've read some slack about the finish, but I enjoy the good guy chasing the bad guy for a long time. I guess six months IS a long time in today's wrestling world, but I'm glad to see them dragging it out a bit longer. Just a thought...how many times did Ric Flair keep his titles doing something like that? Hmmmm?
 
The first half or so I didn't like at all and almost turned it off as a matter of fact. It REALLY picked up with Angle vs Hardy though. Angle proving once again that Lockdown is his show. Mr. Lockdown anyone? Ok that was bad. Hardy's swanton almost gave me a heart attack. After watching, I am fully convinced Hardy has redeemed himself. He seems like a new person since he came back and has really proven himself over the months. Good stuff.

Not going to lie, the finish of Storm vs Roode did piss me off at first. I am not going to bash it and say "thats so TNA" or whatever. I want to see where this leads. Obviously a rematch because of the finish. Storm knows he can beat Roode, but Roode had luck on his side. We were going to see more of Storm vs Roode anyway after this because of Roode's rematch clause so I'm not sure why people are complaining about seeing it again on the next pay per view. Was pissed Roode won, but now waiting to see how it plays out. Storm winning the title will be a huge moment, and even though Lockdown was in his hometown, it probably wasn't the best crowd to do it in front of. Should be a great feel good moment when he finally does win the title.

Hopefully the title change won't be on Impact or anything.
 
While the emotional pay-off of a Storm win would have been great, I agree with most that this was the right move. Roode is just too good to be cast aside at the first hint of a serious challenge to his title. Storm will have his time eventually.

So, do we reckon there will be a like for like rematch at Sacrifice, or will they cool this off for another month and extend Roode's reign further and build again for a Slammiversary rematch?
 
While the emotional pay-off of a Storm win would have been great, I agree with most that this was the right move. Roode is just too good to be cast aside at the first hint of a serious challenge to his title. Storm will have his time eventually.

So, do we reckon there will be a like for like rematch at Sacrifice, or will they cool this off for another month and extend Roode's reign further and build again for a Slammiversary rematch?

I agree and as far as what's next for Roode, I think AJ Styles might be heading for a title shot at Slammiversary. Hell, maybe even a three-way between AJ, Roode and Storm. Wouldn't mind AJ winning in that case, to be honest. At this point I wouldn't mind AJ winning it one on one against Roode. AJ can then move on to a feud with Storm where neither guy goes heel but there's definite tension between them, with Storm being angry that AJ took Roode out and it was 'meant' to be Storm's fight. Who knows but Roode winning was the right move.
 
No reason to take the belt off Roode right now, he gets better by the week, still plenty left in this run.

Storm's time will come, not to worry.
 
This isn't the end for these two, especially the way it ended. Roode is still the champ, but Storm walked out of the cage whereas Roode was knocked out. I wouldn't be surprised if Roode holds onto the title all the way to BFG. Can't really complain about it though. Roode has been getting better as the weeks go by so him as the champ is still a strong point.
 
I am wondering if they are going to move away from the just tries to escape champion to more of a HHH type champion. You could tell there was more intensity in his promo on the go home show and at the PPV. I hope they do this because it will not only freshen up his character, but the matches as well.
 
I gotta say I too was surprised that there wasn't at least one title change at Lockdown. I didn't watch it but I did read the results immediately afterwards. From what I gathered it seems the crowd in Nashville was lackluster at best. I think Austin Aries should've been featured in a singles match, perhaps against Bully Ray. Not surprised by the outcome of the title match with Roode and Storm. Velvet and Gail could've went either way, but I thought Velvet was getting the title back after the long awaited rematch. I'll probably check it out on Youtube later tonight.
 
I went on a limb and ordered the ppv. For the most part it was bad. More cons than pros. James Storm should have won that match. I was hoping to be wrong in my prediction of Garrett pinning Eric. The Tag team title match disappointed. Crimson sucks and should not have a winning streak. I wish they would have had Morgan end that shit. Eric Young and ODB having the womens tag titles is stupid and I was hoping the hot Sarita and Rosita would win the titles back. The tv title match sucked as does the Robbie E gimmick. Hardy vs Angle was good as was the bump Gail Kim took after Velvet gave her a sunset flip. I was glad to see Hogan at the show, but his segment with Flair was pointless. I give the show a 4/10.
 
I'm gonna discuss the main event & the lethal lockdown. Everything else was either fine or as bad as expected(I'm looking at you Garrett) in my eyes.

The lethal lockdown was pretty crappy in comparison to the rest of them but that's not what I'm holding my issues with; can the heel team EVER win this? I don't think that they have ever won. It's pretty annoying at this stage. Also I'd just like to throw a "fuck Garrett" in here. Fuck Garrett.

Also i feel that Bully Ray is the best heel in TNA and as such he doesn't really need the championship. He doesn't even need the wins and he can make everybody look great and still maintain momentum. Because he's Calfzilla

Roode is basically a Canadian Triple H with more talent right now. Really complements Storm's redneck HBK shtick. And that's really what's refreshing about Roode, seeing someone go back to the old bread and butter of wrestling, something that's been proven to work and doing it well. What makes Roode sort of unique that he really has a reason to be bitter and openly an asshole, he got screwed out of his BFG moment and then he was seemingly becoming the Jannetty of Beer Money and he couldn't deal with it. There's but one problem and it's the fact that the booking of the Storm/Roode feud has been good but lazy. I'm gonna get massacred for this but It's that same WCW mindset where two guys would feud for six months over the belt, but that was it. No deeper story, no interesting twists, just two guys fighting every single PPV. That's lazy writing. Easy writing, but lazy writing. And it doesn't work. I pray im wrong though.
 
I watched this ppv last night and you know what I didn't see: rappers, big goofy guys dancing and wasting time, celebrities going over actual wrestlers, and other nonsense.
what I did see was match after match of solid wrestling, there may not have been any title changes but so what, thats how you make a change mean a lot you build the champion up so we he does eventually lose it really means something.
No matter how good of a show TNA puts on people will still dump all over it (I not saying this was 5 stars but it was better wrestling-wise than anything WWE has done (with the exception of Taker/HHH) in months) and I am absolutley sick of it.
 
Well im sure I will get ripped for this but I don't care really. For one of TNA's better PPVs this Lockdown (sans Angle/Jeff Hardy) just flat out sucked. They missed a golden oppurtunity to have Storm win the Title and sure this can be compared to Roode not winning at first but the setup was perfect almost but they f*ck it up again. Lethal Lockdown was just flat and oh goody Bischoff Jr gets the deciding pin on a Major PPV. The rest was just bad and im glad I didn't pay for that crap.

Also that Nashville Crowd was terrible and it sounded like a WCW 2000 PPV Crowd. Plus no pyro and the Entrances felt like I was watching a House Show instead of a PPV.
 
I was actually really disappointed with Lockdown this year, though I think a huge reason for that disappointment was the incredibly miserable crowd. The crowd was so dead you could hear a single fan up front screaming at people in the ring all night. They barely popped for anything — even Hardy's Swanton off the top of the cage.

On paper this had the potential to be an incredible event, but instead ended up kind of deflated by a crowd that IMO was deader than the iMPACT! Zone fans can be.

I mean, for fucks sake, how do you not get riled up for Flair? How do you not get excited when ODB and EY come to the ring in Predators jerseys? Did someone gas the place with nitrous? WAKE THE FUCK UP!
 
Darkshot77's thoughts on Lockdown 2012

This was the first PPV I have watched in months, TNA or WWE. In fact this is the first wrestling I have watched in months. I have always enjoyed the Lockdown PPV. Last night was no exception. But there were many things that detracted from the show as a whole. Before my Match by match breakdown, lest talk about some general issues.

#1 The Production Value. This is a continual issue with TNA PPV's. As a avid Botchamania subscriber, I have seen on many occasions where replays, video packages and bullet points are either played at the wrong time, incompletely, or with missing sound. Now everyone has a few tech problems once in a while, for TNA PPV's it is consistent. To their credit, last night was much better than it has been, but there was a minor issue on the replay after the Angle/Hardy match. Also TNA has done a much better job at not taping their wrestlers obviously blading. While there production value has improved as of late, it still has its issues, and until those are fixed it will always look second rate.

#2 The venue. My guess is that they were under code to not use any pyro. So that is understandable. But Nashville Municipal Auditorium, just flat out sucked. It looked too small for them to do their show in. so they were not allowed the luxuries to make their show look professional. And the crows was bad, there were times that people came out to complete silence, although Kaz is not very interesting to begin with. But they did not pop for anything. It looked like it was filled with people that honesty thought it would be an Indy show, and that is what it felt like. And because of the crowd I think a lot of the wrestler seemed out of their element. I am not going to blame TNA for selecting a bad venue, it just turned out that way.

#3 Title Changes. The fact that there was none of them did not bother me, because all of them made sense except for Gail Kim. Velvet should have won the title. Guns should not have won after coming back from injury, Roode winning fit, and no one cares about the TV or KO's tag titles so it did not really even matter.

Now for the match by match breakdown:

Lethal Lockdown: This was actually was pretty good. All of the actual wrestlers on the inside performed very very well, though the action was hard to see at times. Mr. Anderson performing his mic drop taunt to bring the roof down was classic. And the spot where he hit the rolling fireman's carry slam with Bully ray onto Christopher Daniels, was probably my favorite spot of the match. My only issue with the match was how long the ending took. it seemed like Eric was beating Garrett for a solid minuet or more. I think Garrett missed his cue, but as a side note, Eric sold that guitar shot exceptionally well.

Guns vs Joe and Magnus: Another good match. Some great spots especially when Joe hit a senton on Shelly with Sabin still on his back. And Sabin power bombing Joe also was great. All in all a great sold tag team match.

As Morgan was giving his promo I was about to comment on how he does not give good promos. But his promo was very good. He threatened to make crimson his redheaded prison bitch, I loved it.

Gail Kim vs Velvet Sky: TNA has a knack of dragging things out longer than they need to be. They have been pushing velvet sky a sthe face of their division, this was her rematch for the title, she really needed to win here. The top rope sunset flip power bomb was legit. And after a spot like that, ending the match in a roll up kind killed the momentum.

Crimson vs Morgan: Oh wait I forgot about Devon and Robbie E, but so did you. Decent match between the two, they really have good chemistry. But it was nothing spectacular.

Kurt Angle vs Jeff Hardy: Fantastic match with great spots. These two put it all in the ring. Angle kicking out of 2 swantons, Jeff of the top of the cage. This match was fantastic and both men looked great. This was PPV quality match. And for a secondary main event it deleivered on so may levels.

ODB and EY vs Sarita and Rosita: The entire point of this match was to provide a break between the two main events and to give the fans some service by have ODB and EY come out in Predators jerseys. Which the crowd didnt even pop for. I popped more for the jerseys, and I am not even from Nashville. But when ODB threw Rosita on to Sarita and EY counted the pin, that was classic.

Bobby Roode vs James Storm: Match of the freaking night. These guys have what is called chemistry. Rood and Storm work so well together it is amazing. from pre-bell to bell, this match told a fantastic story. You could feel that these men did not like each other and wanted to beat the ever loving hell out of one another. This was a great match one of the best matches I have seen in a long long time. The only gripe I have is that they gave away the ending at the start of the match by moving the stairs for what seemed to be no reason. But the ending made sense and will help continue a great feud.

This was a well executed PPV on the part of TNA that was dragged down by the insanely dull crowd. I greatly enjoyed Lockdown and I am glad I watched it.

Final rating: 8/10
 
Maybe I wasn't watching the same PPV as everyone else but I'll go through the show. Granted this is my first Lockdown PPV and I think maybe my 3rd TNA PPV since last year but tonight's show I thought wasn't that bad. The opening match was okay but considering WCW had been doing the same thing for years on end before going out of business, it wasn't anything new. I was glad to see Eric take the guitar shot though. The MCMG/Joe & Magnus match was ok but maybe because I have never seen MCMG before I was expecting too much? Devon vs Robbie E I felt was a waste. I'm not going to bash Robbie E vs Zack Ryder one being a rip off or any of that but a TV title at a PPV seems just odd considering what the title's name implies. Kim vs Sky was good but then again both are hot. The ending didn't seem to flow considering the match but well guess that's how matches go. The Flair and Hogan segment to me was no different then some of the crap at Mania with those concerts and such. Just another segment that shouldn't be on PPV time. If they waited for Impact then cool but don't waste PPV time with a segment with 2 dinosaurs who can't seem to walk away even if they are legends of the sport. Morgan vs Crimson I personally didn't like. I seem to remember Morgan being better but honestly in that match neither one seemed to shine. Hardy and Angle was my personal favorite match of the night. I could clearly see with all the kickouts and such what they were trying to create and yeah it wasn't by any means a HHH/Taker match, it was a pretty good match. ODB/Young vs Sarita and Rosita was well maybe another waste at least for me. I loved seeing Rosita but it might as well have been a handicap match. I don't even remember Young getting invlolved in the match and I can understand why he didn't with the storyline but it just made little sense. That leaves the main event. I personally enjoyed the match an awful lot. My 2nd favorite match of the night. At first I thought the ending was crap but after thinking about it, it makes good sense storyline wise and shows perhaps a what could be GREAT heel in Bobby ROOOOOde. As for the Cowby, Storm looked good as well. I think with TNA PPV's, people need to realize that you can't compare them to WWE. It isn't realistic or even fair. The major complaint I'll give to the PPV tonight was the crowd because it took them to the Hardy/Angle match to finally wake up which well seems typical with the TNA anything. I personally enjoyed Lockdown though and I'd give it a solid B.

OK so the opening match was 'ok' but nothing new. The second match was 'ok' but you had higher expectation. The 3rd match was a waste. The knock-outs match was good but the ending didnt flow. The Flair/Hogan segment shouldnt have even been there. The Morgan/Crimson match was a match you didnt like and the knock-outs title match was a waste. You did like the Hardy/Angle match as well as the main event. LOL this doesnt sound like something thats a 'solid B' lol. Maybe we different views on what percentage of the PPV have to fall directly into the 'like' zone and what percentage of the PPV CANT be in the 'waste' zone in order to be a soild B.

Im not going to lie I didnt order it so I cant rate it,..I just wanted to see the results on this site and read all the reviews but your review doesnt seem like you felt it was solid B material but as a fellow wrestling, if you enjoyed the show thats all that matters.
 
I had the previlage of going to a movie theater and see it live....First Off The Quality of the picture and sound of watching it in a theather is amazing and i believe the best way to watch any wrestling (WWE Should Consider Doing This). There were 15 people in attandance where i went and it was a good expirence. However we did loss the fed for a bit during the storm and roode match but MO had serve storms in the area too so it was understandable.

As far as the ppv is concern. Good opener with the LL. Start off fresh and have the crowd excited (however as most of you mention already the Nashville Crowd sucked and were only into the hardy/angle storm/roode match.)

The undercard was a little week with there matches with only the mcmg/joe & magnus and the kos match standing out.

angle/hardy was good....little better than the vr match but not close to hhh/taker (sorry kurt lol)

Storm/Roode is my 3rd favorite match this year (behind rock/cena & taker/hhh). Great build up and great ending. Roode still strong as champ and i thought was the right decison to let him retain. Plus Storms character continues to grow with the chase of the title. Overall Good ppv from TNA. Better than last years lockdown but not quite as good as 2010 lockdown.

7.75/10
 
We always say TNA should go on the road but if the crowd is like this then DO NOT BOTHER! Despite some really good wrestling I nearly had to turn off as it was like watching the TV with the sound down. I really give the wrestlers creditfor keeping on trying as I would have thought "Fuck it" and given a what they deserved, something like the bullshit we normally see on Raw. Anyway NEVER go back to Nashville TNA as they clearly suck ass!

Another thing I want to bitch about was how cheap this PPV looked. TNA has never looked so bad in my opinion. No Pyro, no big screen entrance, poor sound in the backstage promos and an announcing desk that had no monitors. It just looked cheap. We always gfo on about TNA going on the road for all PPVs but unless they spend some money on the setup and atleast research the fanbase in the area and potential crowd reaction (or lack thereof) then just stay in the impact zone.

I nearly had to turn off and despite some great matches the show was a major letdown. Thanks Nashville you tards!!!

Also do we think the Flair promo was planned or simply a desperate measure to try and buy a reaction?

I hope TNA does continue to travel for PPVs but please spend some money and go where a crowd is notoriously riotus. Detroit, Philly etc.

Overall some good matches, especially Angle/Hardy but the crowd killed it for me.
 

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