Lita & Edge

[thatcrazybiatch]

so just curious as to everyones view on the scenario....why was lita booked as a super ho and given such a bad send off where edge was rewarded and pushed? is wwe sexist for this???

also..as great as edge was..his main event/upper card pushes had failed until he had the relationship with lita, it is what gave him such super heat, where would he have been without it?

thoughts please

 

[LegendKiller716]

It was all about timing. Edge was in the middle of a huge push as a face, and then was forced out by injury. It was a natural response to feel bad for him and cheer him.

Lita was in the middle of being a top diva heel and the current woman's champion. She stated that she would retire with the belt. WWE couldn't let her do that because Trish Status retired as champ like a month or two before that.

This has nothing to do with sexism. It was actually pretty stupid to imply that.

As for Edge he was getting monster pops as a main eventer before his neck injury. I remember he had a title match against Big Show on Smackdown where he kept getting near falls. The crowed was so much behind him it was ridiculous.

Edge didn't start getting heat when he teamed with Lita, he just got more. The reason Edge got so much heat, is because at the time, Cena was so universally loved. Even without Lita by his side, Edge would have gotten over because of the MITB briefcase and John Cena.

Also, Matt Hardy has nothing to do with this topic.

 

[vampirek]

Well Edge was getting pushed a heel before the affair was exposed. He feuded with Benoit and was getting ready to be in the title picture. Edge was on his way, the whole Matt/Lita thing just came at the right time to be used in order to get Edge massively over on a scale that would have taken some time. Lita was a spent force by this time, her career basically over due to injury so it gave her a purpose and as for Matt, well he got something out of it too. His biggest push. From the WWE's view, it was a win win situation.

 

[thatcrazybiatch]

This has nothing to do with sexism. It was actually pretty stupid to imply that.

my reason for the sexist comment is that edge was pushed to the moon after this...where as lita was called a ****e and had a terrible sendoff, as much as it suited the role she was playing, it almost seemed like punishment

 

[dman1373]

my reason for the sexist comment is that edge was pushed to the moon after this...where as lita was called a ****e and had a terrible sendoff, as much as it suited the role she was playing, it almost seemed like punishment

She was the womens champion and the top diva overall at that time, so she got alot out of the whole debacle. And the diference between her sendoff and edge is only because she was a heel and chose to leave while edge was a face and was forced to leave.

 

[LegendKiller716]

my reason for the sexist comment is that edge was pushed to the moon after this...where as lita was called a ****e and had a terrible sendoff, as much as it suited the role she was playing, it almost seemed like punishment

I misunderstood the topic a little bit. I thought you were comparing Edge's send off to Lita's.

Either way most of my post still holds true to the topic. It was timing issues. Lita wanted to retire, she was done. She was playing a major heel and she put over a face on the way out. Her being called a ****e was part of her gimmick and if she wasn't comfortable with it I'm sure they would have stopped. Edge got pushed afterwards because he deserved it. Edge was the only star on the roster capable of carrying a show other than Cena and Hunter.

 

[HBsam31]

Lita was called a ****e by the fans. I supposed The King probably implied it on more than one occasion, but it's not like she came out with ho stamped on her back. They did do a live sex show however, but I suppose some of that could have been punishment for her and Matt. Matt was fired because of it so it must have caused quite a bit of trouble backstage. I totally get what you mean, but she wasn't the first female to be called a ****e in wrestling. I do agree that her send off was not what she deserved, but that also happens in wrestling to. As far as Edge goes he was getting massive heat anyway, and with the briefcase along with how loved Cena was at the time he was just getting even more heat. With or without Lita it was Edge's time, and he was going to be over.

 

[Swarles Barkley]

Lita got sent off the way she did because she was a heel. Remember JBL's send off at WrestleMania? He lost the IC title in like 20 seconds and then threw a hissy fit and quit. No much different, in my opinion.

Also, Edge was getting pushed before he ever did any on-screen stuff with Lita. He won the Money in the Bank ladder match in March of 2005, but didn't align with Lita until May. Sure, the whole affair thing had already happened by then, but it's not like the affair turned Edge into a main eventer. The stage was already set for that (he beat HBK at the Royal Rumble that year). Edge was already marked for stardom before he ever slept with Lita or before they became an on-screen couple. What happened between he, Lita and Matt Hardy helped his heel persona, but it's not the main reason he became as big as he did.

 

[TripleCrown]

Rightly or wrongly, Lita's appeal with the fans took one hell of a hit when she cheated on Matt with Edge. That wasn't part of any s/l - it was a real life thing. The reaction of the fans is pretty much what you would expect - there are certain people that are off limits and friends and family of a current partner are "off limits." If Lita wanted personal respect she should have carried herself better. Matt was the injured party with good reason but VKM never had sympathy or respect for anyone's personal life so, in that respect, all of 3 of them shouldn't have been surprised. As for why more hate for Lita than Edge, another poster here got it just right - Edge was loved when this happened and Lita was already disliked - the cheating on Matt/getting with Edge thing just buried here deeper.

 

[Jerichoholic8894]

as much as it suited the role she was playing

BINGO! You just answered your own question. It suited the role she was playing

 

[CuddleBuns84]

My rule for Pro Wrestling... If you can leave with more money then what you came in with, then you retired just right. Stone Cold really didn't have a send off. The Macho Man didn't have a good send off. The Rock got Lesnar over, then got Evolution over.

I think the send over is very, very over-rated. Ric Flair had a send off, then took a job at TNA later down the road. HBK and Edge had great send offs, and lived up to what they have said.

Send offs are nice, but not anything great. Especially if they turn around, go back to work a year later.

 

[thatcrazybiatch]

all makes sence...i didnt follow wrestling too much at the time..forgot about the briefcase n just remember edge and lita being a badass power couple.

sucks how much lita got boo'd for her goodbye speach, everything she said was true!

case closed lol

 

[Mustang Sally]

...why was lita booked as a super ho and given such a bad send off where edge was rewarded and pushed?

When real life intrudes on a storyline, strange things can happen. In Edge's case, he was already playing a heel; the situation with Lita and Matt fed right into his portrayal of a bad guy. How could he be anything else? Edge was the "Rated-R Superstar" and real life events played right into the storyline. He became a bigger star than ever.

Lita was another story. At the time the Egde-Lita-Matt "scandal" broke, she was playing a face and the company made the mistake of continuing that role. It was a very rare occurrence: a two-person team with one being a good guy and the other bad. What I read at the time was that Lita didn't like being booed since she was portraying a face.....as a result, they turned her heel to match Edge; it gave the fans a comfortable place to turn their booing.

Really, the whole feud was unusual in that it wound up with a series of matches between a top-tier performer (Edge) going against a mid-carder (Matt) in which the lower guy had to win at least one match in the series to make it credible. Lita was stuck in the middle; no one knew for sure whose side she would be on when the feud ended.

As for Lita, circumstances of the real life betrayal forced the fans to regard her as a "****e." It wasn't unfair: what do many of you guys call your girlfriend if she cheats on you? And Lita, whatever high regard you might have for her otherwise, was a cheater in her real life. It had nothing to do with the way she was booked.

 

[Ivegonhick]

Lita and edge probably ruined the career of one of the best wrestlers alive today. I'm not going to preach, but maybe the reason she was portrayed the way she was, was because Vince maybe did think she was being kinda ****ty. There is an excellent interview on youtube with hardy, go listen to it. But as far as Adam's push, i think he was maybe due for one ne way. This just made the reality line blur a little and that means ratings.

 

[flair4ever]

edge was due his push for sure, and the reason they were put together is like many have said they were together in real life. I honestly think the reason why lita took most of the heat is simple, most wwe viewers are male. shit most 16-30 year olds thought edge was the man for getting lita, and she was a ho for going from matt, to kane to edge ( as far as story lines go). Then remember edge was a total dick witch most people thought was cool. Also I always thought of edge better as a heel, he seemed more creative especally in his promos

 

[thatcrazybiatch]

. I honestly think the reason why lita took most of the heat is simple, most wwe viewers are male. shit most 16-30 year olds thought edge was the man for getting lita, and she was a ho for going from matt, to kane to edge ( as far as story lines go).

i see your point..but edge was also supposed to be a friend of matts, hes just as guilty as she is! i would love to hear how adam n amy actualy got togever n why. i think i had genuine disregard for edge and never liked him after this incident face or not.

 

[theBec2101]

I'm wondering why you compared Edge and Lita together. Apples and oranges. Well Lita left cause she wanted to and Edge left because of injuries. Then again you can also take a look at there careers too. Lita and Edge, I still cant get over you compared the two.

 

[James]

Lita and edge probably ruined the career of one of the best wrestlers alive today. I'm not going to preach, but maybe the reason she was portrayed the way she was, was because Vince maybe did think she was being kinda ****ty. There is an excellent interview on youtube with hardy, go listen to it. But as far as Adam's push, i think he was maybe due for one ne way. This just made the reality line blur a little and that means ratings.

I'm trying to figure out who is this best wrestler that you're speaking of because no one comes to mind right now. It's also nice that you decided not to link us to the video. There are a lot of stupid matt hardy videos on youtube right now and I have interest in going through all of them.

 

[AwwwwYeahhhh]

Edge didn't start getting heat when he teamed with Lita, he just got more. The reason Edge got so much heat, is because at the time, Cena was so universally loved. Even without Lita by his side, Edge would have gotten over because of the MITB briefcase and John Cena.

That's not true. Fans were sick of Cena at that point. He had the title for a long time and was consistently getting booed. Fans were waiting for anyone to come along and beat him. It just happened to be Edge.

 

[pepentorresHHH]

Ill Just agree with what everyone is saying, getting with Lita got Edge MORE over because he was a heel already, and like someone said, since the wwe´s audience consist on men more than women they thought edge was the man for getting with Lita, but at the same time, they boo Lita and cheer for the man she betrayed, so in a way both Edge AND matt benefited while Lita was hated. Now, Lita benefited from a booking standpoint, she had the biggest reactions as far as divas go, and sometimes in wrestling is better to have any reaction than no reaction at all. As far as the send off went, the fans never had a chance to cheer for Lita or have Lita evolve her character beyond being Edge´s girl. she was bood from may 05 till november 06. so the fans got a YEAR AND A HALF of constant heel and then out of nowhere they were supposed to cheer for Lita because she was retiring? I dont think so, take Trish, she was a heel until may 05 when she was taken out by Viscera, and then she came back as a face at unforgiven 05 and was a face until her retirement a year later. Lita never had a chance to be cheered again. Look how she was cheered when she did that cameo with Peewey, the crowd was given time to forget about her heel run and they cheered out of respect and happiness to see her.

 

[FlairFan2003]

Fact is most performers do not get grand send offs. Younger stars who might "change their mind" are written out in storyline appropriate fashion and leave, but the door is always open for a return. Most older stars just fade away, no fan fare, no storyline explained abscence. Sometimes guys just quit appearing (Kevin Nash got no grand send off in 2005, Rock lost to Lesnar and just disappeared). Only in the most rare of circumstances does someone get a special goodbye, reserved for the biggest of stars, typically when its clear either due to injury (Edge) or age (HBK, Flair) they arent likely to come back.

Lita was never a star or legend on par with Flair or even HBK. She also wasnt injured and forced out of action like Edge. The door was left open for a return with her storyline dictated exit.