Lets Unify the WWE title and WHC title

The Champion didn't not have to show up every show, and besides Taker made every show when he was the champ in 2002, and guys today show up often on both shows as it is.

The main event roster is much deeper with one title, you get far more combination of matches, two titles worked well when they had a far deeper roster. But they don't these days, so they have to recycle the same match ups over and over again.

Or they could come up with long story lines like they did in the 70's some of the feuds lasted a year or longer. The problem is wear and tear on the bodies. It was fine when they have 30 people not 60-80 like they do now. They will certainly cut the roster down to 30-40 people or less to do this.

I see the point of more depth but the order of depth starts at Cena, Orton, Edge, HHH, UT, and so on. So we relive the 80's with one champion for multiple years. It will be applauded but as soon as Cena gets the belt for 6 months every single one of you will be asking when will they split the belts back up and what happened to the Miz's push or JoMo's push or where did Koffi go. Alot of the younger guys will disappear or will get put in the back burner and so much for the youth movement, it dies with this single action.

With two separate titles you get more people involved and more pushes to see who can hang and who cant. It is still somewhat separate. If having the champion on both shows is so great with all the travel and extra work for the people on the shows going back and forth. This might just be the reason besides the movie money that the Rock decided to walk away. He and SCSA where doing both shows at the start, they could have got burned out, and injured which they both suffered alot of and it shortened their careers. Vince was in the i have got to beat WCW mode at all costs and shortened the careers of two of his biggest stars ever.
 
WWE is solidifying Smackdown! and Raw as two separate brands underneath the WWE umbrella so having a champion on each show makes the brand credible and it keeps the competition fresh. The problem with one champion (as it has been said all through this thread) is the rivalries get old and the champion gets stale.
I do like the idea of the Grand Champion trophy. Not necessarily at Wrestlemania, but maybe one of the PPVs like Bragging Rights or Night of the Champions where there is a Champion v Champion match and the winner gets the trophy. That could work, but doing the whole undisputed championship thing would not.
 
I'd be all for unifying the title on one condition to break it up down the road. Right now the WWE Champion is the (true unified Champion of the WWE & WCW). Unify the titles then have the wrestler get injured and vacate the belts. Hold two tournaments for the WWE Championship and the WHC (which you can make a better claim is the WCW Title. I'd also merge Ezekial Jackson's ECW with one of the title belts.
 
I don't know why so many people are against unifying the belt...

there was a time there was just ONE heavyweight title that was defended on Raw AND Smackdown AND PPVs.

If anything that's what started the downfall of the WWE. When they decided to split the roster on Raw and Smackdown and have all these titles. This is why Smackdown doesn't even compare to Raw anymore. Back in the day you were pumped to watch Raw...shit went down...what was gonna happen on Smackdown?

And so what if there's way too many wrestlers for just one heavyweight title. If the superstar is a legitimate contender then they work hard to get to that point. How do you think guys like Austin, The Rock, Triple H, Kurt Angle, Understaker, Booker T, etc fought their way to the top?

Stop the nonsense and just combine the rosters and combine the heavyweight titles. Enough is enough.
 
Exactly - the point of being the best is beating the best even in wwe land even in the elimination chamber ppv 6 guys for the title 6 guys to be no 1 contender that throws someone new in the main event gives them a big push - at the moment everybody just seems the same
 
They should have a WWE Heavyweight Championship
WWE Intercontinental Championship
WWE TV Championshiop
WWE Tag Team Championship
WWE Womens title.

The TV to be defended on Raw or Smackdown every week, and this is the belt you put on your WORKERS, Bryan, Punk, Sin Cara, Mysterio. Whatever belt that is on, you stick the IC Title on the other show. The World title is on both shows, as are the tag and womens title. Champions should be made to look a big deal again





Could not agree more!

This to me seems the dumbest set up ever. I've recently returned to watching the WWE full time and I can't get my head around this nonsense with two heavyweight belts. I know it's been like this since the WCW invasion years ago from what I understand byt I think now is the time to unify the belt......it simply makes NO SENSE!
 
I totally agree they only needs to be ONE World Champion not two, allow the Intercontinetal title to become the 2nd World title like it was back in the day and hell keep the US as another lower-mid card belt, when it was the WCW title it was fine, but once they'd been unified for 6 months then split again I thought was ******.
 
i think the point is proved if you take wrestlemania this year the whc match is now the 3rd most important match - therefore there is no need for it
 
Do you guys think the WWE needs to ditch one of its major titles? I was hoping that they would unify the WWE and WHC belts at W.M. but that didn't happen. For that matter just unify them all so we have one WHC, one I.C./U.S. champion, a WOMAN's champion (screw the divas title,) and the tag titles even though they mean nothing. Have all the champions be able to jump from show to show which would make for more storylines, feuds and it would be easier to build up younger talent. Which would you want? To have it as it is now or unify them?
 
to be honest, i am not a fan of unifying all the belts. there are guys like Christian, Morrison and Del Rio who wouldnt be in the World Title picture if the WWE and World title were unifyied which is why i like having two titles. it gives others a chance in the main event scene and while it may fail at times, it also may work.
 
Think this thread has been done before. I do agree though I'd suggest having 3 male singles titles. WWE, IC and an X Division style mid/lower card title. Womens title (get rid of butterfly belt) and scrap tag titles altogether.
 
I'd be pretty horrified if they got rid of the I.C. title.

It's always been the kind of "future World Champion" belt - typically the second most prestigious belt in the company - though not these days.

I do think they should unify the top two titles: WHC and WWEC. Here's why:

The prestige of a belt is affected by many factors. It's history, the quality of matches for the belt, how much the wrestlers put it over, how strong the current champion is perceived to be, and many more.

One, however, is exclusivity. The (kayfabe) point of the belt is to show that you are the best. These guys are supposed to be competitive, they're supposed to want to prove that they are the best.

But if you're WWE champ, the WHC champ is equal to you? So which one is the best?

There is natural conflict there. Each wants to prove their belt is better, and that they are the real top guy. IRL the balance would not stay put. As soon the two have the opportunity to prove they are undisputedly the best in the company, they'd take it. So why haven't they? Feels unnatural.
 
But if you're WWE champ, the WHC champ is equal to you? So which one is the best?
Champion vs Champion matches are for that purpose.
But I am agree with you at all.
It is bad when WWE has both WWE championship and World Heavyweight Championship.
WWE Championship belt is ugly.
But they will not retire it.
 
I think the reason they have all those belts is because they have too much talent. Imagine if you unify the titles, some wrestlers will never get the chance at being the top guy. Originally having both the WWE title and the WHC title happened, because of the influx of wrestlers coming from WCW and ECW.
 
Oh boy. This hasn't been suggested before. :rolleyes:

Sarcasm aside, the inconsistencies are clear as day. 2 World titles open up doors to such mistakes as Jack Swagger and Dolph Ziggler as World Champions. No real issue with having two midcard belts as it fits the size of the roster (combined or brand split). I get that there are two brands, much to my discontent about it. But it just seems absurd to have a World Championship kick off the show and another one end it.
 
I agree. Having all these titles on different shows devalues all of them. Since the brand extension has effectively ended anyway with guys on different shows appearing on the other all the time, I don't think it would matter that much and indeed you'd have a chance at more meaningful storylines.

Here's how I think it should be:

1 WWE Champion.
The IC Champion.
A secondary mid-card belt to get some of the lower mid-carders TV time, like either a TV title or something like an X division title- something with a gimmick attached to it.
Tag Titles
Women's/Divas title.

to be honest, i am not a fan of unifying all the belts. there are guys like Christian, Morrison and Del Rio who wouldnt be in the World Title picture if the WWE and World title were unifyied which is why i like having two titles. it gives others a chance in the main event scene and while it may fail at times, it also may work.

Del Rio had no place in the world title picture to begin with. He should have made some noise in the mid-card for at least a year. But since the mid-card belts mean jackshit, to push a guy you think can be a main event star in the future he has to go after one of the two world titles, where he really doesn't belong.

This would remedy that situation.
 
You have one world title and people like Edge would have only had it once. And people like CHRISTIAN and MORRISON or CM PUNK would never get the shot.

Having one champion doesn't do anything for feuds. And since the titles are still fake, I fail to see how they become more "meaningful" if there is only one mid card champion.

And with the roster size, plenty of guys wouldn't ever get a shot at a mid card, let alone a world title when guys like Cena and Orton are on top.

I can understand why there should be one tag team title, since there were no where enough tag teams to support both belts.
 
World Heavyweight Championship
Intercontinental Championship
U.S. Championship
World Tag Team Championship
Womens Championship (get rid of the Diva title, sounds like they should be pole dancers)

Those are all of the titles needed. Again, eliminate Smackdown and combine the rosters. Bring back the days of having a couple of matches with local jobbers. Return some sense of higher expectation and excitement over pay per view events rather than the watered down events of now after watching weeks and weeks of the same 2 guys.
 
You have one world title and people like Edge would have only had it once. And people like CHRISTIAN and MORRISON or CM PUNK would never get the shot.

Getting a shot and holding the title are two different things. If the WWE returned to the days of having to climb the ladder for a shot then you would see more title opportunities to different talent. Unlike now. How many times are Cena and Miz going to fight before there is another mix up? Same people always in the title picture (Orton, Cena, HHH, Taker, Edge) and others buried to mid card status. You lose, go to the back of the pack and work your way up again. And that has nothing to do with the number of titles there are.
 
I think the reason they have all those belts is because they have too much talent. Imagine if you unify the titles, some wrestlers will never get the chance at being the top guy. Originally having both the WWE title and the WHC title happened, because of the influx of wrestlers coming from WCW and ECW.

Right on. We would have Cena have a 3 year title reign as opposed to a 3 month or 6 month reign. They currently have like 100+ entertainers on their roster now 30-40 would be FE'd right on the spot. They would have to work more days a year further putting them into jeopardy of getting injured more frequently.

I would have them do a real Raw VS. Smackdown thing where they at least do trades and drafts of the guys/gals from FCW and NXT like in Football or Baseball. Where each GM tries to better their brand to make them more dominant. Have one of them do shady things like try and steal a superstar from the other. Act like one of their contracts is coming up and have him file arbitration, or play the free agent market to get more money and deal that he likes.

Have each champion wrestle someone from each brand once a month on each show the same person. For example Miz/Edge will take on DBD this month the next month it is someone else but continue this for a little while. Do the same with the IC/US title thus creating a real competition between the two brands. Have this go on for like 8 months where both sets of champs have the same wins and loses and continuing their feuds on their own show. Having a Ultimate match to determine who the best champs are at a night of champions PPV where they take on each other. I would create new tag teams to make the belts more relevant and important again. I would even use cole as a manager like Heenan or Jimmy Hart, use him in that type of role to get the teams over and better since the majority of the roster can't speak on the mic as well.

I would bring Kong in as a destructive force demolishing every diva in her wake and either set up a match between her and Gail or her and Beth. Just have destroy every diva and don't let her speak. Gail and Kong had awesome matches in TNA they can do the same in WWE, Beth looks like she could actually stand her ground with Kong.

I would also have more grudges and feeling shown in the matches between the superstars, like the way HHH looked when he couldn't keep UT down for the 1,2,3. I think we need more of that.

Use Cena's kids appeal like they used Hogan's in the 80's. Make Brodius Clay like King Kong Bundy and just destroy Cena one night and send him to the hospital. Put up on Raw the next week that Cena was hospitalized with internal injuries and a few broken ribs and he would be out for at least 4 weeks maybe longer and put up a fake address where kids can send in letters to wish him to get better. Show him in the hospital one week. Continue this for a few weeks so when he comes back he can have that revenge match against Clay. Have him try different things during the match only to have him wince in pain, or look like he really can't do it and have Clay capitalize on this issue more than once. Have him to continue to dominate. While the kids in the audience is having that look on their face that Cena will not win this match or he might not make it out alive. While gone Cena comes up with a new finisher like powerbomb or the jackknife. He Hulks up basically and gets the win in a 30-40 minute match where he get beat up the majority of the time and finally wins the match.

I want to see DBD and Miz have the hatred for each other like Macho Man and Jake the Snake.


Things like this will help overall, and make the shows more enjoyable, its simple and it tweaks the product.
 
I would have them do a real Raw VS. Smackdown thing where they at least do trades and drafts of the guys/gals from FCW and NXT like in Football or Baseball. Where each GM tries to better their brand to make them more dominant. Have one of them do shady things like try and steal a superstar from the other. Act like one of their contracts is coming up and have him file arbitration, or play the free agent market to get more money and deal that he likes.

No offense but that is an awful suggestion and cheesy at best. Wrestling is an individual sport and nothing like the 4 main sports. The whole Raw vs Smackdown thing is bad enough in it's own. They are both still WWE. So a war between WWE and WWE makes absolutely no sense kind of like the seperation of the shows. Especially when you constantly have stars from one show appearing on the other. Just eliminate the whole "brand" thing and simply have WWE. Start taking shots at TNA and have the real Brand war like back in the WWE / WCW days.
 
This is what I don't get about when people make this suggestion. If the champions are jumping from show to show, it would actually make for less feuds, not more. For example, let's say John Cena is the world champion and he's feuding with Triple H, a Raw superstar. Where does SmackDown go from there? What's happening on SD during that entire feud? Does it get cut short and only last a month so a SmackDown guy can get a shot? What purpose do the main event superstars of each show have, when the title is the focus of the other show? They're fighting over nothing. Having two world titles gives the biggest superstars on each show a distinct purpose, which they can build other storylines around in the process. But the foundation is always there, and thus, people are far less likely to get lost in the shuffle.

The same goes for the midcard titles, perhaps even more so for those actually. The midcard guys struggle to get time as it is. So we want to unify those titles and have them get even less time? Should we just stick half the current midcard guys on Superstars? Because that's what would happen. Again, if John Morrison is the Intercontinental Champion and he's feuding with Kofi Kingston on Raw, what happens to Daniel Bryan and Sheamus? They would just fall into oblivion. In fact, there would be even less room for guys like Sheamus and Wade Barrett to get themselves back into the main event picture, since the belt might not even be on their show at a particular time. It doesn't work. The current system is much better and allows for more time and exposure for everyone.
 
Champion vs Champion matches are for that purpose.
But I am agree with you at all.
It is bad when WWE has both WWE championship and World Heavyweight Championship.
WWE Championship belt is ugly.
But they will not retire it.
sure as hell the wont they would retire the WHC first the WWE belt is theirs but hey. I prefer the top titles be unified have a spanking brand new WWE Championship and remake the womens tilte so it looks like it means something and then bring in a television title so the Zack ryders n such can have a go. I though they droped the ball with the million dollar championship that could have madde a great lower card title but oh well.
 
But if you're WWE champ, the WHC champ is equal to you? So which one is the best?

I'm gonna say the WHC is the best because hey, it's the champ of the world.. while the WWE champ is only the champ of the WWE Universe

and yes, I want the titles to all be unified, I've always hated having two Heavyweight Champs running around.. and while we're at it, the two shows need to be combined.. it doesn't mean they need to have all the wrestlers back and forth to each show, you can still have whoever wrestle on Smackdown and the "bigger" stars wrestle on Raw.. just quit with the brand split, everyone seems to be going back and forth anyway

if i remember correctly, WCW had Thunder as basically the jobber show, where all the midcarders wrestled and Nitro was for the "big" stars and they never had a brand split.. guess i got a little off topic.. anyway, yes, unify all the belts :)
 
VABurghman, it doesnt make sense to eliminate Smackdown, combine the rosters and have a bunch of jobber matches. 1st of all the roster is far to large to go back to just having Raw, almost half of the talent would get future endeavored. Then you're gonna replace them with jobbers? Raw would be far worse then it already is. I agree with unifying the belts, and having all champs be able to cross brands, but this only works if the rosters are more balanced. If Raw is always superior to Smackdown, then all the titles would realistically stay on Raw. So at the next draft, please Vince, more balance! Second there should be a set number of ways to get specific title shots since there's no #1 contender system. There's already $ in the bank (and there should be only 1 with 1 world title), Royal Rumble with the automatic WM title shot (and it should be a main event shot, not a card opener), winning a dual brand King of the Ring (which should have semi finals and finals at a PPV like night of champs) and throw in the winning captain at bragging rights so they have more then a dumb trophy to win.
 

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