Lawler should win at the PPV. There are 2 ways they can go: Lawler wins & he loses the belt the next night on RAW, or Lawler wins & sets up a triple threat match with Cena & The Miz. You could have Cena screw The Miz out of the title at the PPV, and maybe even cost him the rematch the next night. But why not give Lawler a short title run? Next to Cena, he's the most over face in the company right now. And the WWE title is just about worthless right now. Putting it on Lawler won't de-value it any further.
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The_Reptile_
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It's ALWAYS the mid card match at Elimination Chamber. It's to decide which guy challenges the title at Wrestlemania, serious;y do your goddamed homework, it wouldn't be the headline if it was fucking Austin vs the Rock, Hogan vs Andre, Taker vs Michaels, ANYONE! That's not the point of the PPV!
Look at this another way. If TNA was booking Tazz to be the number contender in their PPV we would be shitting over that all the way. Lawler getting a title shot on Raw is OK with me but on a PPV just seem odd to me. I don't care about the numbers or respect for Lawler in the discussion but letting a 60year old challenging for your most prestigious title is going to make you a joke in the eyes of the mainstream audience. They would notice your best wrestlers being beat by an old man rather than the fairytale comeback story they want to portray.
I can see King winning the title for a brief moment at the PPV then... *bleep bleep bleep* the "GM" says that King didn't win the title (maybe you have someone interfere on behalf of King after the ref takes a bump). Because if WWE is trying to make the product unpredictable, since everyone is assuming Miz will win why not throw that curve ball?
Then from there Cole could have a verbal joust at the announcers booth for a couple of weeks with the King. Ultimately King gets fed up, gets in the ring and challenges Cole to a fight. The GM Chimes in again and says in order for King to get Cole he has to defeat an opponent of Coles choosing. His choice? Riley. King wins, but before he can get his hands on Coles scrawny neck Cole cheap shots him from behind and books it. Put that as the main event and we've got a decent lead into the following weeks show where the GM states that Lawler can't touch Cole. Eventually leading to Cole vs King at Mania with your guest commentators: Jim Ross and hmmm Mick Foley?
food for thought. Or flame material. Take your pick.
Then from there Cole could have a verbal joust at the announcers booth for a couple of weeks with the King. Ultimately King gets fed up, gets in the ring and challenges Cole to a fight. The GM Chimes in again and says in order for King to get Cole he has to defeat an opponent of Coles choosing. His choice? Riley. King wins, but before he can get his hands on Coles scrawny neck Cole cheap shots him from behind and books it. Put that as the main event and we've got a decent lead into the following weeks show where the GM states that Lawler can't touch Cole. Eventually leading to Cole vs King at Mania with your guest commentators: Jim Ross and hmmm Mick Foley?
food for thought. Or flame material. Take your pick.Jack-Hammer
YOU WILL RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH!!!!
It never ceases to amaze me how short sighted so many internet fans are. As a few others have said, this has the potential to give Jerry Lawler a WrestleMania moment while still keeping The Miz as WWE Champion.
Like many others, I would love to see Miz & Morrison go head to head for the WWE Championship again. Morrison had a brilliant performance tonight and I don't see him being shuffled back down into the lower mid-card range where he was prior to about 6 months ago. If JoMo had won tonight, he'd have gone to face Miz at EC for the title and would have almost certainly lost cleanly to The Miz for the second match in a row for the WWE Championship. In the end, that wouldn't really do nearly as much for JoMo as the first match did. Morrison was protected by not winning the Raw Rumble tonight and, once again, got hugely over with fans by giving another incredible, stand out performance in a big stakes match.
Lawler will face Miz at Elimination Chamber and he'll almost certainly lose. As others have indicated, it's a perfect opportunity for Lawler to still have a match at Mania, to have a WM moment. I fully expect Michael Cole to provide enough distraction for Lawler to lose, thus setting up a match between Lawler & Cole for WrestleMania. Over the past few months, we've heard Cole remind Lawler numerous times that he can't lay a finger on him or the Raw GM will fire him. We've all wanted to see Lawler go apeshit on Cole and we're almost certainly going to get it at WrestleMania.
Anybody that remotely expects Jerry Lawler to walk out of Elimination Chamber as WWE Champion doesn't know a thing about wrestling and shouldn't even try to pretend that they do. It makes me wonder if they've ever even watched wrestling before tonight.
Like many others, I would love to see Miz & Morrison go head to head for the WWE Championship again. Morrison had a brilliant performance tonight and I don't see him being shuffled back down into the lower mid-card range where he was prior to about 6 months ago. If JoMo had won tonight, he'd have gone to face Miz at EC for the title and would have almost certainly lost cleanly to The Miz for the second match in a row for the WWE Championship. In the end, that wouldn't really do nearly as much for JoMo as the first match did. Morrison was protected by not winning the Raw Rumble tonight and, once again, got hugely over with fans by giving another incredible, stand out performance in a big stakes match.
Lawler will face Miz at Elimination Chamber and he'll almost certainly lose. As others have indicated, it's a perfect opportunity for Lawler to still have a match at Mania, to have a WM moment. I fully expect Michael Cole to provide enough distraction for Lawler to lose, thus setting up a match between Lawler & Cole for WrestleMania. Over the past few months, we've heard Cole remind Lawler numerous times that he can't lay a finger on him or the Raw GM will fire him. We've all wanted to see Lawler go apeshit on Cole and we're almost certainly going to get it at WrestleMania.
Anybody that remotely expects Jerry Lawler to walk out of Elimination Chamber as WWE Champion doesn't know a thing about wrestling and shouldn't even try to pretend that they do. It makes me wonder if they've ever even watched wrestling before tonight.
oh come one a prestigious title, that title became un prestigious when the miz won it, he cant even wrestle a straight match with out having someone one wrestle and win for him, his title run is a joke, you if it was flair in Jerry's place the marks would be going crazy, so it is no different if jerry is getting a chances, i wont be surprised if jerry wins by a little help from hint cena if cole interferes,
your new wwe champ Jerry the king
TheHitMark-SirJoseOle
A Fan Of Wrestling Not Backstage BS
This is the same promotion where Vince McMahon gave himself the World Heavyweight Champion twice, first in the pre-Brand Extension era by beating Triple H on SmackDown for the WWF World Title back on SmackDown in 1999. Eight years later he wins the ECW World title (yes I know this is far different from WHC and WWE Titles but at the same time not so) from Bobby Lashley at Backlash 2007.
And yes I know both titles were won under dubious reasons, but still, it was a less than necessary booking decision in my opinion because you could have had something a lot better than that? I mean seriously, the guy who runs the company winning the title, TWICE?
I mean Verne Gagne has done this with the AWA World Title and even Jerry Lawler had done it when the USWA was still around but at least those guys used the title in the storyline to put people over. With Vince McMahon he vacated it the first time in the less than spectacular six pack challenge at Unforgiven of that year and then he lost the title back to Bobby Lashley in yet another "evil owner vs Superstar" contest.
So yes, while Jerry Lawler is nearing retirement age at 62, and the fact that we have two World Titles in WWE, what harm is it really going to be to give him a shot at the WWE Championship, the man is a legend in the business and he has never won a title in the promotion to begin with. In the brand extension era, with the multitude of titles, giving a sentimental title reign to Jerry Lawler is not a harm, after all Miz already did a similar favor to Bret Hart for the US Title, and yes while it's a secondary title an "old man" still won, bottom line.
I really don't see this scenario doing any harm considering how we are not even in the boom period of the Attitude or Hogan eras anymore, and the title picture is so watered down anyway. Seriously, what harm is it really going to do if Lawler wins the title, plus there's 13 PPVs on the schedule, it can't hurt to give Lawler one event out of 12 others that he won't probably even wrestle in. But realistically I don't even see him winning, although I'd like to and I support my stand that it wouldn't be any worse than "Vinnie Mac" ransacking the gold like he has before.
But seriously from the tripe I've read here about the anti-Lawler stance...my god, this generation of wrestling fan has become so spoiled and finicky I just can't believe it. I honestly think a lot of people on here would appreciate this great artform if things were back to 4 PPVs a year with the Saturday Night Main Event specials returning full time to fill the role that they used to when we didn't have so many frivolous and overpriced pay per views, but that's another topic for another day.
And yes I know both titles were won under dubious reasons, but still, it was a less than necessary booking decision in my opinion because you could have had something a lot better than that? I mean seriously, the guy who runs the company winning the title, TWICE?
I mean Verne Gagne has done this with the AWA World Title and even Jerry Lawler had done it when the USWA was still around but at least those guys used the title in the storyline to put people over. With Vince McMahon he vacated it the first time in the less than spectacular six pack challenge at Unforgiven of that year and then he lost the title back to Bobby Lashley in yet another "evil owner vs Superstar" contest.
So yes, while Jerry Lawler is nearing retirement age at 62, and the fact that we have two World Titles in WWE, what harm is it really going to be to give him a shot at the WWE Championship, the man is a legend in the business and he has never won a title in the promotion to begin with. In the brand extension era, with the multitude of titles, giving a sentimental title reign to Jerry Lawler is not a harm, after all Miz already did a similar favor to Bret Hart for the US Title, and yes while it's a secondary title an "old man" still won, bottom line.
I really don't see this scenario doing any harm considering how we are not even in the boom period of the Attitude or Hogan eras anymore, and the title picture is so watered down anyway. Seriously, what harm is it really going to do if Lawler wins the title, plus there's 13 PPVs on the schedule, it can't hurt to give Lawler one event out of 12 others that he won't probably even wrestle in. But realistically I don't even see him winning, although I'd like to and I support my stand that it wouldn't be any worse than "Vinnie Mac" ransacking the gold like he has before.
But seriously from the tripe I've read here about the anti-Lawler stance...my god, this generation of wrestling fan has become so spoiled and finicky I just can't believe it. I honestly think a lot of people on here would appreciate this great artform if things were back to 4 PPVs a year with the Saturday Night Main Event specials returning full time to fill the role that they used to when we didn't have so many frivolous and overpriced pay per views, but that's another topic for another day.
The_Reptile_
Pre-Show Stalwart
Jack-Hammer
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In all honesty, after tonight I think it'd be impossible for WWE to ignore the fact that Morrison is probably the third most over guy on RAW at the moment. His pops are beaten only by Cena and Orton, and the crowd goes crazy during all of his matches, so if he doesn't at least get a push after Wrestlemania I'll be pretty pissed
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In all honesty, after tonight I think it'd be impossible for WWE to ignore the fact that Morrison is probably the third most over guy on RAW at the moment. His pops are beaten only by Cena and Orton, and the crowd goes crazy during all of his matches, so if he doesn't at least get a push after Wrestlemania I'll be pretty pissed
TheHitMark-SirJoseOle
A Fan Of Wrestling Not Backstage BS
Yeah man, you and me both dude, it's a sad state to see how many people are so up in arms about this Jerry Lawler-Miz angle when WWE has done stuff like this before. I mean even Bret Hart who with all respect and an obvious fave of mine, really can't do what Jerry Lawler has shown these past few months in his feud with Miz.
With all these silly PPVs it's all a train wreck man. But considering what has happened all these years since the WWF/E has changed and expanded their PPV line up and McMahon's booking of himself in storylines, this really can't be a worse move, period.
But yeah dude, I do indeed miss the old days of WWF's event structuring, it needs to come back.
TheHitMark-SirJoseOle
A Fan Of Wrestling Not Backstage BS
Don't blame you man, but some of these events that are Pay Per View, would make far better TV specials, and the greed of WWE has really stopped that from happening in my view.
This Lawler and Miz angle I don't think would have this same amount of controversy if it was a TV type thing, but again, when you have a PPV calendar of 13 events to fill, stuff like this is bound to happen.
Again, can't blame you on the streaming thing, because I know I don't want to pay so much money a month for these events. With the money WWE makes on so many other things these days with the advent of the internet and what not, I think they could survive the reduction of their PPVs.
Calm down guys! I know and everybody else knows King is not going to headline WM. But he will have a WM match, against sombody who will cost him his match aginst Miz. Cole maybe??? Seeing King at the PPV title match may annoy you, but lets be honest here, Elemination Chamber match is the main reason of the PPV not the World Title match... So a short match just to give the King a well deserved spot at WM, not a headlining match, but his first ever match! Don't be so harsh...
Another thing is if Cena won this rumble he had to face Miz before WM and will lose his chance for a title match against Miz at WM. (Elimination Chamber winner will go against the WWE Champ) So everything was booked as it needed to be.
Another thing is if Cena won this rumble he had to face Miz before WM and will lose his chance for a title match against Miz at WM. (Elimination Chamber winner will go against the WWE Champ) So everything was booked as it needed to be.
TheHitMark-SirJoseOle
A Fan Of Wrestling Not Backstage BS
That is an excellent point, you're talking to a rabid fan of both wrestlers, but there is no way I am going to defend either of them wrestling. I prefer Hogan and Flair in more managerial roles these days. Jerry Lawler getting up and in the ring is another case like you just said with Flair and Hogan can't be any worse a decision to make from a booking stand point. In the case of Jerry Lawler at least most of his body is covered up unlike Flair and compared to Hogan, Lawler doesn't have all those back surgeries that have made him hobble to the ring.
Not trying to offend the Hulkamaniacs here, but he ain't what he used to be, hence why he hasn't wrestled in nearly a year.
MattMorrison
Dark Match Winner
The King is going to retire soon. They want to give him his last moments of fame in the WWE. John Morrison deserves to be the next champion. Arguably, he is the most talented superstar in the business today. It's only a matter of time before he wins the title.
See, just something to wrap up the Lawler/Cole feud that's been building. This isn't going to shake the foundation of WWE itself. lol Although I'm not a big fan of the decision as I'm not a big fan of Lawler himself seeing as how I don't really see how he's contributed much anything to the business - this, as all other things, shall pass. It's just a side-story for Mania.
Actually mate, WWE is very big on having Lawler at WM 27 in someway. They have put a lot of time and effort in developing Cole's heel persona and as such, Lawler's face persona going against Cole's has been received well. Add to the storyline of King never performing at WrestleMania, and the WWE will use that.
Expect something along the lines of Lawler vs. Cole & Riley. Lawler may or may not have a partner, I don't know.
It's makes sense for this match, I thought there tlc match was good and this will be a good way to finish the fued.
I can see michael cole becoming the special guest ref since he has been doing dark matchs as ref and he will cost Jerry the match which will lead to wrestlemania
This is the best ppv to do the match because people will already buy the ppv to see the chamber so that match becomes the main draw point and this match will most likely happen between the two chambers if smackdown has one.
Either way I'm pumped I enjoy watching Jerry go in the ring but I do not think he would win he should not man event mania.
I can see michael cole becoming the special guest ref since he has been doing dark matchs as ref and he will cost Jerry the match which will lead to wrestlemania
This is the best ppv to do the match because people will already buy the ppv to see the chamber so that match becomes the main draw point and this match will most likely happen between the two chambers if smackdown has one.
Either way I'm pumped I enjoy watching Jerry go in the ring but I do not think he would win he should not man event mania.
Karaoke Superstar
Pre-Show Stalwart
From what I'm reading on here my diagnosis is this. People are so caught up with how "wrong" this is, and how much nonsensical it is from a booking standpoint and so on, that they haven't even given themselves a chance to enjoy it. As much as everybody claims how predictable they think this is, nobody called Lawler vs. Miz at EC, I guarantee it. It was a big shock.
Personally I was pulling for Jerry, especially hearing Cole trash him all night long about it. Call it what you want but Cole is a damn effective heel, and just hearing his constant idolization of the Miz alone makes me hate the Miz. Jerry won't win at EC, but to see what goes down with Miz, Cole, Lawler and maybe Cena will be worth watching.
Main thing is, it does not compromise their goals with the Miz's title reign. And that is to not have him come up with a clean, credible win over a quality opponent, to prove himself as champion. Some people feel that the Miz being made to look like a weak champion is a bad thing, not me. I think most of the allure of his reign is that he is an unbelievable champion who talks big and weasels his way through matches that he shouldn't win, then talks even bigger. That's the heel way, and people are gonna be waiting for him to finally get exposed.
Personally I was pulling for Jerry, especially hearing Cole trash him all night long about it. Call it what you want but Cole is a damn effective heel, and just hearing his constant idolization of the Miz alone makes me hate the Miz. Jerry won't win at EC, but to see what goes down with Miz, Cole, Lawler and maybe Cena will be worth watching.
Main thing is, it does not compromise their goals with the Miz's title reign. And that is to not have him come up with a clean, credible win over a quality opponent, to prove himself as champion. Some people feel that the Miz being made to look like a weak champion is a bad thing, not me. I think most of the allure of his reign is that he is an unbelievable champion who talks big and weasels his way through matches that he shouldn't win, then talks even bigger. That's the heel way, and people are gonna be waiting for him to finally get exposed.
If it does happen to be a King v Cole match, I predict they will put Good Ol JR on the booth for this one as I doubt they would have Matthews do it by himself or Matthews & Striker call it. Maybe add in the stipulation that if King wins, JR is back on the RAW announce booth. Sorry but JR really adds a degree of passion to the announce booth!
dude i would love that if king wins and brings back j.R, i hate cole as much as the next guy/girl... but sometimes he is funny and does a great job of me wanting him dead! but if J.R comes back they could still have 3 of them annoucing raw coz great tv having cole pissed that he has to work with j.R... but anyways if jerry lawler retires too and have J.R and cole im fine with that coz it woud remind of the days when J.R had to work with Paul Heyman... oh 3rd... if rumors are true that booker T wants to announce then maybe raw could have booker and cole if J.R doesnt return... thats a maybe.
the_mighty_biggs
Occasional Pre-Show
im 30 years old and in my life I only odered 4 wwe ppv's if lawler has a match at wrestlemania it will be 5.
id even love it if he went is as champion, Lawler is the only legend left that can still do a match just as good as anybody else on the roster and he deserves it more than anybody else.
oh yeah and for you people that say an older champion cant compete or make for good TV.
remeber back in the 90's when bob backlund came back?? he was wwe champ within a year and i think it worked great.
id love to see lawler in that kinda situation
id even love it if he went is as champion, Lawler is the only legend left that can still do a match just as good as anybody else on the roster and he deserves it more than anybody else.
oh yeah and for you people that say an older champion cant compete or make for good TV.
remeber back in the 90's when bob backlund came back?? he was wwe champ within a year and i think it worked great.
id love to see lawler in that kinda situation
Anyone bad mouthing Lawler is nuts. He is, quite simply, one of the best wrestlers ever. Sure, he's 60, but he looked terrific in his TLC match with Miz. His match with Miz at Elimination Chamber should be a solid match, probably not the best one on the card, but still a good 3-4 star match.
As for what this means... I think we can all agree that Lawler isn't going to beat Miz at EC, but that's okay. He'll come close again, and probably get screwed by Cole again, setting up Lawler vs. Cole at Wrestlemania, a match everyone wants to see.
As for what this means... I think we can all agree that Lawler isn't going to beat Miz at EC, but that's okay. He'll come close again, and probably get screwed by Cole again, setting up Lawler vs. Cole at Wrestlemania, a match everyone wants to see.
diggitydubz
New Member
I say, why not? First off, having Lawler in a PPV WWE Title match is something different and second off, he and the Miz do have an interesting angle going. Personally, I would love for 'the King' to win the title (Cena interferes) and drop it back to 'the Miz' the next night on Raw. We haven't seen an 'underdog moment' in years and besides that, what an amazing moment it would be if Lawler walked down to the annouce desk on RAW as the Champion? Obviously, Miz would cash-in his rematch clause and get the belt back that night (I'm sure Michael Cole would involve himself...which what setup the King/Cole match that's being talked about for Mania).
I know people will say 'It'll ruin 'the Miz' and make him look weak?' For God's sake, it is WRESTLING. Miz has already lost to Bret Hart and Miz is SUPPOSED to be a chicken-sh!t heel anyway and is SUPPOSED to come across like he is undeserving. He won the title by cashing in his 'Money in the Bank' contract after Randy Orton had already had a match. So, a loss/regain angle with Lawler is not going to hurt Miz and if done right, it could give him even more heat. No matter what happens between now and Wrestlemania, Miz will just be a lamb lead to slaughter anyway for John Cena's inevitable title win.
I know people will say 'It'll ruin 'the Miz' and make him look weak?' For God's sake, it is WRESTLING. Miz has already lost to Bret Hart and Miz is SUPPOSED to be a chicken-sh!t heel anyway and is SUPPOSED to come across like he is undeserving. He won the title by cashing in his 'Money in the Bank' contract after Randy Orton had already had a match. So, a loss/regain angle with Lawler is not going to hurt Miz and if done right, it could give him even more heat. No matter what happens between now and Wrestlemania, Miz will just be a lamb lead to slaughter anyway for John Cena's inevitable title win.
I have no problem with setting Lawler up for a match at WM but why does the WWE feel the need to do it at a PPV?
They could have just as easily had Cole and /or Riley screw Lawler tonight (or in another match later), to set up a match with Cole at WM.
I'm not delusional enough to think that Lawler will actually win so that also makes the PPV more predictable. Then again, I didn't think I was delusional enough to think they'd actually let Lawler win tonight's match either so who the hell knows.
They could have just as easily had Cole and /or Riley screw Lawler tonight (or in another match later), to set up a match with Cole at WM.
I'm not delusional enough to think that Lawler will actually win so that also makes the PPV more predictable. Then again, I didn't think I was delusional enough to think they'd actually let Lawler win tonight's match either so who the hell knows.
