Kurt Angle, the greatest wrestler ever, the even greater Lier!!!

[Deexter Jorgan]

Credit to WZ.com

There is a detailed article in today's Miami Herald on the history of the WWE-Kurt Angle split.

Kurt Angle always claimed he quit, but in the article, it is revealed that WWE gave him a mutual release when he refused to go into drug rehab.

The article also reveals that WWE had wanted Angle to go to rehab months earlier and he refused then too. This is significant because to this day Angle goes to media outlets and claims he wanted to go to rehab when in WWE, but they refused to allow him to, claiming he could just rehab himself on the road.

You can check out the complete article in the Miami Herald at: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/wrestling/v-print/story/1026972.html

Kurt Angle repeatedly lashed out against the WWE telling anyone whod listen that the WWE wanted him to work rather then rehab, he even went as far as saying that the WWE forced him to make ill choice and nearly destroyed his life, welll the article above exposes that it was a big farce, that Kurt himself and the WWE mutually allowed angle out of his contract due to the fact (similar to Jeff Hardy) that he refused to go to rehab, so we are now the truth has come about how will this effect angle, the fans opinion of him?, does this change anything in regards to Angles signing with TNA?.

Whats your Opinion on this matter?

I believe that angle has basically shot himself in the foot, The fans wont believe anymore of his outrageous stories in regards to how he was treated by the WWE and it also makes the WWE look better as they attempted to help angle out with his addictions even though they would have lost a valuable asset and a hard worker.

This also makes TNA look bad, they took a druggy and a lier, what else has he lied about? keeping his addictions under control, hiding his demons, the fact is it makes TNA a company where Drug addicts go to so they dont have to contend with a wellness policy or public scrutiny.

Its also worrying to know that this man could be the next wrestler on the deceased list because of his demons and his addictions, I hope for his childrens sake that he does something soon, otherwise Kurt may end up like so many others before him, a breaking news story of a wrestler defeated by his demons.

 

[BradXXX]

Way to know how to spell a really simple word.

Here, I'll help, "liar". You know, Firefox has a built in spell check so for you to have misspelled words is a major fail. Even worse, maybe you aren't using Firefox. Then that's a double fail on your part.

Back to the topic at hand. This is all hearsay to me. What is their source on this? Vince McMahon? How do they really know what happened?

Sure, maybe I should read the article, but then again, I don't really care. And I don't think many other wrestling fans will care either whether Kurt lied or not.

He's still the best in the game today.

 

[Megadeth]

I dont see how this is "proof" Kurt Angle lied. It is still his word vs theirs. And Kurt never said WWE didnt give them the chance to go to rehab, but that they wanted him to continue working while doing it. All David Hawk said was that yes Kurt was offered Rehab, it doesnt say anything about the terms of whether it would be on the road or not. And most of Laurinaitis' statements really kind of dance around this as well

and we offered to help Kurt, and he kind of refused our help.

How did he "kind of" refuse it? Either he refused or he didnt.

I don't ever recall Kurt coming to us telling us that he needed time for rehab, per se.

"Per Se" again kinda double talk. He doesn't deny Kurt asked off for some time off, just not for rehab. Which I think the fact he said that he doesnt remember Kurt asking for time off for rehab shows that Kurts Rehab had he accepted would not have been away from the road. I remember right around the time they brought the ECW brand back, seeing on Wrestlezone multiple articles about Kurt wanting a more limited schedule, and the took and traded him to ECW to be their top guy along with RVD which actually was going to increase his workload and him being upset about.

The fact is neither side is ever going to give the full story, and it will always be a case of "He Said She Said". It seems kinda odd that they are bringing this up now anyways instead of back in 2006 when all this happened. This whole article seems kinda one-sided against Kurt, even the title "WWE Vindicated on Angle Rehab Remark". How are they "vindicated"? If they had some documents from 2006 that showed an offer to give Kurt 6 months off for rehab that would be one thing, but why is John Laurinaitis word to be taken over Kurts?

 

[MisterRob]

Maybe people should read the article before posting comments like those above, because if they did then they'd realize all the answers are in the article. It certainly isn't just WWE and John Laurinaitis word being compared to Kurts. If you're not going to take the time to read the article and have an informed opinion on the topic then you really shouldn't comment in this thread because it just makes you look ignorant, sorry to say.

I've never found Angle really too believable in what he says. It doesn't take away from his ability in the ring, but it certainly doesn't make me respect his character or quality.

 

[Megadeth]

I read the entire article I fail to see where any of the complaints I raised where addressed. Like I said before, the Kurts whole position isn't that he was never offered rehab, but they wanted him to do it on the road. Being offered rehab doesn't necessarily mean he would not be used at shows. WWE has doctors that travel with them and it is quite possible that they wanted them to treat kurt while still traveling. Feel free to show me what I am missing in the article where it says otherwise, but I quoted the article twice whereas you are just calling me ignorant without pointing out any answers. I'm not saying Kurt is right, or the WWE is right, just that it will always be their word against his.

 

[avi01]

This is contradictory. Vince himself in an interview (it is on youtube) stated that Kurt ask ed out. Not as if the people who did the article knows better that Vince.
If this is true, Kurt took the wrong decision, a decision I sure many others took and regretted afterwards.


Doesn`t really change my opinion of the wrestler that is Kurt Angle.....one of the very best to ever step in the ring.

 

[Scott Free]

Here's a quote from the article by Laurinaitis

Did you have any confrontations with him during his time in WWE?

Laurinaitis said: ``Actually, no. Kurt's personality and Kurt as a person is a very non-confrontational person. Kurt is very easy-going and tries to get along with everybody. I feel Kurt is somewhat of a pleaser, too.''

Which lead to:

Angle claimed in a past Miami Herald interview that WWE allowed him time off, but the company would usually call him during his off time because someone would get injured or something happened, and they would want him to help, and he said he should have said, 'No,' but he didn't and worked.

So, again

``This is a business, and things happen on a day-to-day basis, but in no way would I ever or has the company ever forced anybody to do anything.

Now, if you work for any company, you know damn well that the line above is total bs,
they expect you to do anything and everything, you can refuse, but you'll soon be looking for another job. If Angle is a non-confrontational type of guy, his expectations for time off would be to be left alone for that time period, if the company keeps calling him to work and he can't say no, then he's not getting time off, he's just getting jerked around, I think the idea was to have Kurt do rehab while working, which is nonsense.

 

[MisterRob]

It specifically references Kurt Angle's business manager (and friend) who obviously has no relation to WWE but far more of a relationship with Angle, who claims that the WWE offered Angle a stint in rehab AFTER the two had parted ways mutually and Angle, basically, had left the company. So how in the world is Angle going to have to stay on the road and keep working through rehab... when he's not even on the roster! When he's not even in the company. It's no different then what the WWE has done with other past wrestlers like Scott Hall, Sean Waltman, Andrew Martin.. all of who have been given rehab at the expense of WWE (and are not working for the company), which people seem to either forget or ignore.

So if thats the case then Angle simply refused to go to rehab, and WWE or their road schedule was no excuse in any way, and then he went to TNA complaining and bitching about things that entirely contradict that to try to insult and make WWE look bad. And TNA aided in this by putting him on television and making videos where Angles ranting about it. That makes both Angle and TNA look extremely bad in my mind.

This is a business, and things happen on a day-to-day basis, but in no way would I ever or has the company ever forced anybody to do anything.

Any business is like this, certainly not just the WWE. The fact is, that's not an excuse for Angle being soft and deciding to work despite his time off. He needs to get a backbone and say no, just like other talent does in the same situation, and if he doesn't then he's as much to blame for it as the WWE asking him to come back. He doesn't get a free pass from blame because he wants to "please everyone" like a child.

 

[Scott Free]

It specifically references Kurt Angle's business manager (and friend) who obviously has no relation to WWE but far more of a relationship with Angle, who claims that the WWE offered Angle a stint in rehab AFTER the two had parted ways mutually and Angle, basically, had left the company. So how in the world is Angle going to have to stay on the road and keep working through rehab... when he's not even on the roster! When he's not even in the company. It's no different then what the WWE has done with other past wrestlers like Scott Hall, Sean Waltman, Andrew Martin.. all of who have been given rehab at the expense of WWE (and are not working for the company), which people seem to either forget or ignore.

So, what you're saying is, Angle had to basically quit first, then the WWE was kind enough to offer him rehab and time off ? No wonder he refused ! I'm guessing Angle didn't care about their PR move to save face and told them to screw off, I would have done the same.

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

Way to know how to spell a really simple word.

Here, I'll help, "liar". You know, Firefox has a built in spell check so for you to have misspelled words is a major fail. Even worse, maybe you aren't using Firefox. Then that's a double fail on your part.

Your just picking at straws now, attempting to make me seem like a fool, yes i spelt it wrong but you still posted in the thread so you understood what i was talking about.

Back to the topic at hand. This is all hearsay to me. What is their source on this? Vince McMahon? How do they really know what happened?

The Source is from both Sides, both Kurts agent and the WWE, the fact is that Angle spent his time berating the WWE in the very same paper and on various news outlets, he said he was forced to work and never offered any help, if you read the article you'd know that.

Back to the topic at hand. This is all hearsay to me. What is their source on this? Vince McMahon? How do they really know what happened?

Sure, maybe I should read the article, but then again, I don't really care. And I don't think many other wrestling fans will care either whether Kurt lied or not.

He's still the best in the game today.[/QUOTE]

Then why post an opinion without doing the research first?, Im not disputing that Angle is not one of the best today, but the fact is he went on the record talking smack about his previous company when in turn he had a problem, they offered help, offered him time to heal, Angle, his wife and his agent refused!, the guy went around telling every TNA mark whod listen that he fooled the WWE into letting him out of his contract, that they where in the wrong, The WWE didn't want a death on their hands especially someone as talented as angle, the fact is TNA should of put a noose round this guys mouth and stopped him embarrassing the company, the story of the wwe not doing anything and acting like demons is false.

I dont see how this is "proof" Kurt Angle lied. It is still his word vs theirs. And Kurt never said WWE didnt give them the chance to go to rehab, but that they wanted him to continue working while doing it. All David Hawk said was that yes Kurt was offered Rehab, it doesnt say anything about the terms of whether it would be on the road or not. And most of Laurinaitis' statements really kind of dance around this as well

Before the furor died down [in WWE], Angle announced he was leaving WWE. He has subsequently said that there were other reasons for his departure, specifically an addiction to painkillers. [WWE Chairman Vince] McMahon, he says, refused to give him time off to seek treatment.'

So this statement isnt lying, he has stated numerous times on various radio stations the same statement, he made the arguement that the WWE was one sided and never let him work.

``This is contrary to what Kurt Angle asserts Philadelphia Inquirer - posted Thur...090409_Kurt_Angle_wrestles_on_.html?viewAll=y, which is that WWE refused his request to attend rehabilitation.

Have you read the full article?, because it provides evidence that Kurt Angle blatently stated that the WWE did not allow him to go to rehab.

How did he "kind of" refuse it? Either he refused or he didnt.

More specifically, on May 30, 2006, a WWE physician informed WWE management of concerns regarding Mr. Angle's addiction issues and recommended to Mr. Angle that he attend a rehabilitation program. At that time, Mr. Angle refused to attend rehabilitation.

The WWE didnt want blood on their hands, they where still fresh from Eddie's death and they had another wrestler on death watch, that other wrestler was Kurt, as soon as they found out their was a problem they attempted to sort the problem out, but instead of accepting help Kurt refused it, he then went out and tried to publicly humiliate the WWE.

The fact is neither side is ever going to give the full story, and it will always be a case of "He Said She Said". It seems kinda odd that they are bringing this up now anyways instead of back in 2006 when all this happened. This whole article seems kinda one-sided against Kurt, even the title "WWE Vindicated on Angle Rehab Remark". How are they "vindicated"? If they had some documents from 2006 that showed an offer to give Kurt 6 months off for rehab that would be one thing, but why is John Laurinaitis word to be taken over Kurts?

Im not saying the WWE are blameless in this situation, but it has been proven that they actually attempted to help him, the guy spent months on end berating them and they said nothing till now because it was starting to effect their image.

Now, if you work for any company, you know damn well that the line above is total bs,
they expect you to do anything and everything, you can refuse, but you'll soon be looking for another job. If Angle is a non-confrontational type of guy, his expectations for time off would be to be left alone for that time period, if the company keeps calling him to work and he can't say no, then he's not getting time off, he's just getting jerked around, I think the idea was to have Kurt do rehab while working, which is nonsense.

Ok simple as, Angle was like most wrestlers at the top of their game, he didnt want time off, he wanted to stay on the road because he didnt want to lose his spot, the same was said about Batista, Eddie even Benoit, he had a problem and the WWE wanted to offer help, maybe just maybe you could understand that, think about it his agent is even a former bodybuilding champion, the guy probably used a tone of steroids in his time also, you cant just say the wwe called him up every five minutes whilst he was in rehab, because you werent their, also he never went to rehab, he didnt feel that he had a problem like most druggies.

So, what you're saying is, Angle had to basically quit first, then the WWE was kind enough to offer him rehab and time off ? No wonder he refused ! I'm guessing Angle didn't care about their PR move to save face and told them to screw off, I would have done the same.

It seems like your the one whose ignorant, come on the guy is not perfect, he is an addict and when addicts get caught out they do one of two things, accept it or get defensive, angle got defensive and then went to a company that didnt have a drug testing policy.

here is also a clip from a reality show kurt was going to do about his life

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This is not about his wrestling ability, its about his life, thats the fact, he even says that vince didnt offer him rehab, and questioned the WWE, the fact is Kurt is the biggest liar today and has no credibility in my eyes as a person.

As a wrestler yes he is amazing as a Person he sucks and that my friend is true!!!

 

[Scott Free]

Ok simple as, Angle was like most wrestlers at the top of their game, he didnt want time off, he wanted to stay on the road because he didnt want to lose his spot, the same was said about Batista, Eddie even Benoit, he had a problem and the WWE wanted to offer help, maybe just maybe you could understand that, think about it his agent is even a former bodybuilding champion, the guy probably used a tone of steroids in his time also, you cant just say the wwe called him up every five minutes whilst he was in rehab, because you werent their, also he never went to rehab, he didnt feel that he had a problem like most druggies.

Maybe, just maybe, you don't understand that the WWE doesn't give a shit about their talent, that is, as long as the perform as told. You actually think they are doing the rehab program because they care ? ...or is it more, they care about NOT getting the government involved in their business by requiring them to be subjected to athletic commission rules ? Still think the WWE cares about their talent ? Watch the clip where Shane McMahon get thrown repeatedly into plate glass panes that don't break by Angle himself, now, this is the OWNER'S son, and the show went on...and on..and it wasn't stopped even though you can tell Shane is suffering severe injuries, you think a man who puts his own son through that kind of senseless crap has any kind of conscience about other people in the roster ? I'd say absolutely not.

It seems like your the one whose ignorant, come on the guy is not perfect, he is an addict and when addicts get caught out they do one of two things, accept it or get defensive, angle got defensive and then went to a company that didnt have a drug testing policy.

I think you're ignorant because you actually believe TNA has no drug testing policies, they do, and they are about as effective as the WWE's, which ain't saying much.

here is also a clip from a reality show kurt was going to do about his life

[youtube]WmKR9Lr5og8[/youtube]

This is not about his wrestling ability, its about his life, thats the fact, he even says that vince didnt offer him rehab, and questioned the WWE, the fact is Kurt is the biggest liar today and has no credibility in my eyes as a person.

You should have watched the clip. Angle says "I'm going though withdrawals and the MF wants me to work." about Vince McMahon. Strange statement, if he did not quit, he wouldn't have withdrawals, would he ? I also didn't hear a word about the WWE refusing him rehab, maybe I missed it, maybe it's not even there. I got the idea again, that the WWE wanted him to work while going through rehab, silly me. Let's end this with at least some sort of closure, your opinion is that Angle is dishonest, fine, but you seem to actually believe what the WWE says without questions, that's fine too, but you have to realize that they have an even worse track record than Kurt Angle has as far a honesty is concerned.

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

Maybe, just maybe, you don't understand that the WWE doesn't give a shit about their talent, that is, as long as the perform as told. You actually think they are doing the rehab program because they care ? ...or is it more, they care about NOT getting the government involved in their business by requiring them to be subjected to athletic commission rules ? Still think the WWE cares about their talent ? Watch the clip where Shane McMahon get thrown repeatedly into plate glass panes that don't break by Angle himself, now, this is the OWNER'S son, and the show went on...and on..and it wasn't stopped even though you can tell Shane is suffering severe injuries, you think a man who puts his own son through that kind of senseless crap has any kind of conscience about other people in the roster ? I'd say absolutely not.

taken from Dixie Carters Congress meeting

And developing new talent does not obviously sell

So you call this actually caring about Talent, this is right from the TNA Chairmans mouth, you can view the entire transcript here http://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2009/0103/378394/dixie_carter_7.shtml

You can not judge a company unless you have worked for them as talent, you can only go by what Kurt angle tells you and no offence it seems that what hes saying is absolute garbage!.

I think you're ignorant because you actually believe TNA has no drug testing policies, they do, and they are about as effective as the WWE's, which ain't saying much.

taken from Dixie carters meeting with congress: Q :I was going to say specifically, do you provide guidance to your talent scouts regarding wrestlers who have known or suspected drug problems? 21

A: don't personally, because I don't know them personally. But they know. I mean, it is one of those it is an industry and it is a very unique industry. I don't come from this industry. I have not been a part of it very long. It is an extremely unique industry. These people know everything about everybody. And probably, because some of them I -- even employees worked with them at times when they knew what they were going through, or things such as that. So they are very aware.

Q And do you provide any guidance to your talent scouts that some of these issues may be red flags?

A Absolutely. We don't hire anybody who has a problem. And -- but we do hire people who are in remission, you know, or who have gone through therapy and have cleaned up their lives and, you know --

Q And how do you determine that they are -- that they're clean?

A Well, we've not tested them prior to them coming in. But we do know, you know. And we do know because these people have either been best friends with them for 10 years, 15 years and they don't hide it. You know what I'm saying? I mean, if people know that this person, you know, has been on the record of doing drugs and quit for years leading up to it or whatever.

Q What about steroids in particular? Do you provide 22 talent any -- I ask this question -- steroids -- to the extent someone has a problem with cocaine or painkillers, that is something that I think you're right, it can often be an open secret.

A Very much so.

Q And people know about it. Individuals who are taking steroids, they can be highly functional. It is not like someone who has an addiction to different drugs. How do you -- do you provide any specific guidance with regard to wrestlers who may be using steroids?

A In our drug policy, it says there is no steroid you know, steroids would be coupled under prescription medicine prescribed not by an appropriate physician.

Q Right.

A So that would fall under that. But you're right, I mean, that is the case. I mean, they would be fully functioning. I think the look of a wrestler is your number one ability to be able to look at somebody and tell. Our talent -- I brought them a few pictures. I don't know if you'd want me to show them. Mr. Cacheris. Not now. Ms. Carter. But our talent is they just look different. You know what I'm saying? I have never and would never and I profess to tell everybody that, you know, we just want healthy
, clean athletes. We don't want 23 anything else. And you do not have to look like a cartoon character. As a matter of fact, that does not fit our mold for our company. And, you know, they -- so that's pretty much the case. BY MR. COHEN:

Their Drug testing policy is based on hear say, how the heck does the WWE have a drug testing policy like this!, this proves that you dont research what your talking about, you just blabba on, the fact is wwe at least has a procedure in place, tna doesnt!!

You should have watched the clip. Angle says "I'm going though withdrawals and the MF wants me to work." about Vince McMahon. Strange statement, if he did not quit, he wouldn't have withdrawals, would he ? I also didn't hear a word about the WWE refusing him rehab, maybe I missed it, maybe it's not even there. I got the idea again, that the WWE wanted him to work while going through rehab, silly me. Let's end this with at least some sort of closure, your opinion is that Angle is dishonest, fine, but you seem to actually believe what the WWE says without questions, that's fine too, but you have to realize that they have an even worse track record than Kurt Angle has as far a honesty is concerned.

if he didnt take the drugs he wouldnt have withdrawals, simple as, im not saying the WWE is perfect, but their policy enabled them to help so many including i may add one Montel Vontavious Porter, otherwise known as MVP, they found an irregular heartbeat and made sure he was medically cleared before he even competed again, now if the WWE or Vince himself didnt care wouldnt they just have let MVP wrestle and kill himself?, you cant go by what angle says you need to do more research and actually understand what policies WWE and TNA have in place in the first place otherwise you are going to look worse and worse when you attempt to make points like mine look worthless.

 

[Scott Free]

Here's something you might have missed is your research.

Foley's TNA Deal, Major TNA Drug Testing To Come?, Backstage News
By Ryan Clark | October 12, 2008
» As reported earlier by the WrestlingInc.com website, TNA handed out a packet containing the new drug testing policy at a set of iMPACT! tapings two weeks ago. The policy is said to be similar to that of WWE. It is unknown as to when they will test and how often, but from this point forward, the TNA wrestlers are at risk of drug suspensions and shouldn't be able to get away scot free anymore. A drug test failure results in a 30-day suspension without pay for a first offense with a more severe punishment for a second. TNA did a drug test back in February or so, but the results didn't count and nobody was suspended.

If you have the time, check out http://www.ewrestlingnews.com/stories/Full_Report_Gov._Investigates_Steroids_In_Wre.shtml
To confirm my allegations that TNA is actually testing and it's doing just as poorly as the WWE. So, your "blah,blah,blah" theory is basically shot to hell.
As far as letting MVP die while wrestling, well, that might have happened before the Benoit thing, now, they got an image to protect and pretending to care is just good PR. I'm saying that you trust the WWE more than Curt Angle, and that to me it's even money on who is dishonest, except that Angle hasn't a track record of lies, like the WWE has. If you still don't get it, I could draw you a picture, but I think you do get it and are pretending not to.

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

Here's something you might have missed is your research.



If you have the time, check out http://www.ewrestlingnews.com/stories/Full_Report_Gov._Investigates_Steroids_In_Wre.shtml
To confirm my allegations that TNA is actually testing and it's doing just as poorly as the WWE. So, your "blah,blah,blah" theory is basically shot to hell.
As far as letting MVP die while wrestling, well, that might have happened before the Benoit thing, now, they got an image to protect and pretending to care is just good PR. I'm saying that you trust the WWE more than Curt Angle, and that to me it's even money on who is dishonest, except that Angle hasn't a track record of lies, like the WWE has. If you still don't get it, I could draw you a picture, but I think you do get it and are pretending not to.

Actually they are not, the statement made by Dixie carter to congress was made in January 2009

Full Transcript Of Dixie Carter's Interview With Government Officials
By Ryan Clark | January 03, 2009

for more information check the site http://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2009/0103/378394/dixie_carter_7.shtml

I hate to reiterate, Dixie Carter states to the committee that she has no drug testing policy, that the company only keeps an eye on anyone that they think is suspicious of drug taking, which absolutely means nothing, the WWE has an actual policy in place, TNA does not, the only reason that Kurt Angle signed with TNA is because he would be a big fish in a small pond, and that he does not have to take any drug tests, so basically he can do whatever he wants when he wants.

now back to the point, Kurt Lied, he went out and lied about the WWE about Vince offering him help, I dont know the reason behind him doing so, but i am led to believe that he felt that he wanted to hurt them for mutually letting him go, is he still on drugs now?, maybe, is he ever going to tell the TNA fans what actually happened, nope, the fact is that he went out and lied, and it could of led to the WWE being damaged as a whole.

again next time read the article before you post you would have seen the date.

 

[Scott Free]

Actually they are not, the statement made by Dixie carter to congress was made in January 2009

I hate to reiterate, Dixie Carter states to the committee that she has no drug testing policy, that the company only keeps an eye on anyone that they think is suspicious of drug taking, which absolutely means nothing, the WWE has an actual policy in place, TNA does not, the only reason that Kurt Angle signed with TNA is because he would be a big fish in a small pond, and that he does not have to take any drug tests, so basically he can do whatever he wants when he wants.

Actually, if you read the full transcript, you would know that TNA does have a drug testing policy, hell, I think even you local supermarket has a drug testing policy these days, some companies even test you on application for a job, so saying TNA doesn't have a drug testing policy is ludicrous. Can Angle do what he wants without fears of getting tested ? I suppose to the same level as Batista, Triple H and John Cena, I'd be interested as to how many times Trips has been tested and what the results were, but you and I know that kind of info is confidential. Just for the record, do you know why TNA relies on peer feedback for drug abuse ? Because they can. With a small roster of 60 or so people, the lockeroom is a simple and logical place to get info on who is using and who isn't. Had the WWE listened to their lockeroom talk, Chris Benoit might still be alive today, Chavo Guerrero Jr and several others reported paranoid and strange behavior by Benoit MONTHS before he snapped, what did the WWE do ? Nothing. Benoit had to ask for time off or a reduced schedule himself, and by that time, it was too little too late.

now back to the point, Kurt Lied, he went out and lied about the WWE about Vince offering him help, I dont know the reason behind him doing so, but i am led to believe that he felt that he wanted to hurt them for mutually letting him go, is he still on drugs now?, maybe, is he ever going to tell the TNA fans what actually happened, nope, the fact is that he went out and lied, and it could of led to the WWE being damaged as a whole.

Show me where he said he was refused help, all I've seen is evidence that he was refused time off without constant requests that he'd work through rehab, he could have refused to work, sure, but that would have led to what happened anyway, that is, he quit and was let go by the company. There's no doubt Angle was angry when he left, and the reasons given by Angle are all we have, the WWE certainly didn't address what made Angle angry, so you think he lied, and I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.

again next time read the article before you post you would have seen the date.

I did check the dates, and they confirmed that TNA had a drug testing policy in place for a while, and they are about as inept as the WWE at enforcing it, except that the WWE suspends a few people once in a while just to show it's pretending to be serious, wait a while, and their drug policy will go the way their old steroids testing policy in the 90's went.

 

[Megadeth]

Actually they are not, the statement made by Dixie carter to congress was made in January 2009



for more information check the site http://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2009/0103/378394/dixie_carter_7.shtml

again next time read the article before you post you would have seen the date.

Actually the transcript was released to the public in January 09, but the statement was made in December 2007 look at page 1 of that link you posted http://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2009/0103/378394/dixie_carter.shtml TNA has changed their policy a lot in the past 2 1/2 years. It looks like you are the one who needs to check the date when reading an article. The fact is the WWE didn't really start caring about drug testing until after Eddie Gurrerro died. The policy they are currently using has only been in effect since 2006, which is about the time this whole controversy with Kurt started. The fact is TNA and WWE BOTH have fluctuated on their drug testing policies over the years, getting more serious after things like Eddie and Benoits deaths, and slacking when they think the pressure on them has died down.

 

[Megadeth]

Also in doing some investigating of my own I found an interview with Kurt from Nov. 2006, just a couple months after leaving WWE, where he says Vince wanted him to rehab ON THE ROAD.http://pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/TNA_News_1/article_18355.shtml

The exact quote from Angle in this article:

Angle on Vince McMahon: "I love Vince. He's a great guy. But he treated me like a superhero. He wanted me to rehab on the road instead of at home. My doctor said I couldn't do that. Vince said that I was an Olympic goal medalist and I could overcome anything.

Angle doesn't say Vince didn't offer him rehab, it says he wanted him to continue working while doing it which is what Angle's whole argument has ALWAYS been. I think most of this argument has been under the misconception that you believed Kurt has been telling everyone that McMahon wanted him to work INSTEAD of rehabbing. If someone can find an interview where he says Vince refused him rehab altogether and told him to keep working, that would be one thing, but every interview I can find from Kurt has always been that they could not agree on whether Kurt would keep working while rehabbing or not. The reason he refused their offer for rehab isnt that he didnt want to get clean, but he felt he couldnt do it on the road and thus wouldnt except their offer if it didnt come with time off. I think the biggest argument for Kurts side is he got clean pretty quickly after leaving the WWE.

The fact is the WWE has a history of putting the company over the health and well being of the wrestlers. When Owen Hart accidentally broke Steve Austins neck, did they stop the match? No they had Austin who could barely move do the worst school boy on Owen so their plans wouldnt be messed up. When Randy Orton broke his arm in a match against HHH, did they stop it? No they may have ended that match early, but instead of just counting him out, he had to get up and take the Sledgehammer shot from HHH. When Owen Hart died, did they stop the show? No they made all the other wrestlers who had just witness one of their friends die in a fatal accident go out there and keep the show going. And I'm sure that part of it was the wrestlers desire to keep going, but a some point the company should have intervened, put the wrestlers health first, and just signaled the ref to stop the match.

So I am inclined to believe that McMahon fully expected Angle to keep working while trying to get clean. And before anyone claims otherwise, I am not a WWE basher or a TNA fanboy. I like both, I watch both every week, I have attended shows for both. My point here is just simply sometimes BOTH expect way to much of a sacrifice from their wrestlers than they should.