Don't think she's a heel or a face at this very moment. Just someone who hates blondes and will destroy them no matter what side of the fence they're on. BTW, whoever came up with her name and character is brilliant. I really like it. It fits together really well. There is also reports that she will be feuding with Beth Phoenix. What is she right now? A face? Then I guess that means Karma will be a heel in the near future.
Kharma and her role in WWE's Diva division
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It certainly looks like she's going to be a face. She's getting face pops and acting like a face by destroying heels so far. Which is awesome, if that's the direction they go. Having a monster come in and be a heel who destroys all the faces, while tried and true, is so stereotypical and expected. It would be very refreshing to see a monster be a face from the get go.
jobesukulele
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This could be smart positioning by WWE.
Kong's promos and appearances thus far have been Heel.
But there was always going to be the dilema of Kong getting cheered when she does her destroyer gimmick on the Heel divas such as McCool and Maryse.
What I think we're seeing is WWE trying to get Kong to go through the Heel divas first while people are still getting their heads around her, which might take a while. (That's not a fat joke (Really!)).
Erm, who's left, Heel wise: Layla, Alicia Fox, The Bellas (when they feel like it), Tamina (is she a heel?); no matter. Pretty soon after they're out of the way WWE can start sending Kong after the face divas, like Eve, Kelly Kellys, Natayla and start trying to tug on our collective heart strings.
How they can expect us to care about the divas though after Michael Cole has so publicly berated them is beyond me. Perhaps we'll be seeing Kong put Cole in his place sometime in the near future.
Kong's promos and appearances thus far have been Heel.
But there was always going to be the dilema of Kong getting cheered when she does her destroyer gimmick on the Heel divas such as McCool and Maryse.
What I think we're seeing is WWE trying to get Kong to go through the Heel divas first while people are still getting their heads around her, which might take a while. (That's not a fat joke (Really!)).
Erm, who's left, Heel wise: Layla, Alicia Fox, The Bellas (when they feel like it), Tamina (is she a heel?); no matter. Pretty soon after they're out of the way WWE can start sending Kong after the face divas, like Eve, Kelly Kellys, Natayla and start trying to tug on our collective heart strings.
How they can expect us to care about the divas though after Michael Cole has so publicly berated them is beyond me. Perhaps we'll be seeing Kong put Cole in his place sometime in the near future.
She pretty much has to be a tweener, destroying anyone and everyone. There aren't too many divas on the roster, so they can't be picky about who she destroys.
If she's a heel, she's got gail, kelly kelly, and beth phoenix
If she's a face, she has the bellas, maryse...and that's pretty much it
Makes sense that they'd make her a tweener, and maybe the divas will "unite" to try and stop her
If she's a heel, she's got gail, kelly kelly, and beth phoenix
If she's a face, she has the bellas, maryse...and that's pretty much it
Makes sense that they'd make her a tweener, and maybe the divas will "unite" to try and stop her
mayankeagle
Pre-Show Stalwart
Its good to see people comparing her with how the Undertaker was earlier. The same thing came to my mind - I think she might be a very good Tweener diva; something that we haven't seen much of?
King Blitzkonic
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You've stolen my thoughts. Most impressiveOh yeah, I would love to see Kharma as a badass tweener. She's probably the best candidate for it on the roster besides Orton, and he's on Smackdown. I'd love for Vickie to be her next victim....Oh wait, that would make her a face for life no matter what she did! Hopefully for once WWE will use a gimmick properly and, as you said, be the judge/jury/executioner for the Divas. Next victim: Alicia Fox. Mark my words lol
Viola Moonlight
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By attacking Michelle McCool and Maryse, two girls known to be heel diva's, Kharma could be considered a face however, from her vignette's hyping her debut in the WWE as well as her imposing figure/personality, she could be considered a heel. I'd rather wait to see what pans out but I can bet my money that Kharma is a tweener who is looking to destroy the division one by one. I will also put forth in my argument that Kharma, as the name suggests, is going after the diva's who have yet to receive their proper punishment. Although she's only attack two diva's and left one alone, we can still analyse the situation:
Just for reference, I say "karma" instead of Kharma to prove a point... I'm guessing it's one of the gimmicks behind the character of Kharma and not just a fancy name. She is just fulfilling the demands of her character and it's blurring the lines of her alignment of being face or heel... at this stage she could be a face but I'd say she will turn into a tweener of some sorts. A hero for some as she's taking out all the Barbie dolls/Diva's who are perceived as the ideal figure of a female but a villain for others due to her random attacks on people who may or may not deserve the punishment.
Michelle McCool: The creator of a group known as Lay-Cool who abused the system to advance in the company and bullied every diva on the roster. Mickie James, Kelly Kelly, Beth Phoenix, Natalya... all names that have fallen to the evil tactics of the group. Since McCool was considered the leader and destroyed the relationship between her and Layla (a pawn in her plan to become a great Diva), karma was long overdue for Michelle.
Maryse: Whilst she hasn't done much recently other than her managerial skills with Ted DiBiase, she was considered one of the top heel diva's the company had to offer and did everything she could to stay on top. She took the rulebook and snapped it in half basically... so karma was around the corner for her.
Kelly Kelly: She's remained a face for her entire career (except for her relationship with Mike Knox during ECW) and has been fighting the good fight for just as long. The only thing that's condemning her is the Extreme Expose (which did no harm at all to anyone) and her looks of being a Barbie doll. What's karma got against kelly?
Maryse: Whilst she hasn't done much recently other than her managerial skills with Ted DiBiase, she was considered one of the top heel diva's the company had to offer and did everything she could to stay on top. She took the rulebook and snapped it in half basically... so karma was around the corner for her.
Kelly Kelly: She's remained a face for her entire career (except for her relationship with Mike Knox during ECW) and has been fighting the good fight for just as long. The only thing that's condemning her is the Extreme Expose (which did no harm at all to anyone) and her looks of being a Barbie doll. What's karma got against kelly?
Just for reference, I say "karma" instead of Kharma to prove a point... I'm guessing it's one of the gimmicks behind the character of Kharma and not just a fancy name. She is just fulfilling the demands of her character and it's blurring the lines of her alignment of being face or heel... at this stage she could be a face but I'd say she will turn into a tweener of some sorts. A hero for some as she's taking out all the Barbie dolls/Diva's who are perceived as the ideal figure of a female but a villain for others due to her random attacks on people who may or may not deserve the punishment.
Maybe it is just me but I think Kharma's schtick could get old really quick. Divas wrestle on Raw, Kharma comes down during the match and destroys one of the divas all the while the announcers play her up. I just think this could get predicatble and old really quick
Reddog1146
Beating the odds since 1993
She is probably going to end up being a tweener like Kane and Undertaker or flip as heel and face for a couple months at a time. IDK as long as we see more of her in the ring, if she turns heel then she can feud with faces like Natalya and Beth Phoenix.
Think about some of the greats in the biz they have been tweeners..SCSA,Rock at times, Bruno Sanmartino had a stint as a tweener,ROWDY RODDY PIPER, Flair and the Horsemen,ALL of DX Undertaker just to name a few over and over Tweeners RULE in the biz and the reason why is that no one likes a full goodie goodie ...see John Cena comments...Even Hogan would do Heel things at times.
Tweeners rule all and thats the bootom line cause Bobby The Brain Heenan Said so!!!!!
Tweeners rule all and thats the bootom line cause Bobby The Brain Heenan Said so!!!!!
Hmm so... Kharma is very interesting. Looking back at her career in TNA (which I didn't follow because I do not watch TNA) it seems as though she came in as a force to be reckoned with but... eventually became someone that could be knocked down... just like with any "unstoppable force" thats every debuted anywhere... something has come to stop them... (except John Cena...)
The way I see it... Kharma has been repackaged in such a way where people who have seen her before are seeing her as a newly aggressive beast while people who've only heard of her or seen snippets are truly seeing her for the first time under the WWE character of Kharma.
From what I've seen so far Kharma has targetted failure Divas... Divas who lost a match or are losing a match... or just seems weak. Started with Michelle after she lost her match at Extreme Rules and Kharma decimated the arguably most dominant Diva in the WWE (not based on strength or athletic ability but by win/loss records, title holds and spotlight). Very strong introduction. The following night she made Kelly crap her booty tights and turned Maryse upside down and inside out.
We have yet to find out where Kharma will end up... but it seems as if the Divas division on SmackDown will get scrapped sooner or later and they will just end up on RAW anyway. So... yeah I think she will be an Anti-Diva... a monster heel that fans will possibly cheer for just because its new and entertaining... and she will only diminish into the background if the WWE drops the ball with her.
The way I see it... Kharma has been repackaged in such a way where people who have seen her before are seeing her as a newly aggressive beast while people who've only heard of her or seen snippets are truly seeing her for the first time under the WWE character of Kharma.
From what I've seen so far Kharma has targetted failure Divas... Divas who lost a match or are losing a match... or just seems weak. Started with Michelle after she lost her match at Extreme Rules and Kharma decimated the arguably most dominant Diva in the WWE (not based on strength or athletic ability but by win/loss records, title holds and spotlight). Very strong introduction. The following night she made Kelly crap her booty tights and turned Maryse upside down and inside out.
We have yet to find out where Kharma will end up... but it seems as if the Divas division on SmackDown will get scrapped sooner or later and they will just end up on RAW anyway. So... yeah I think she will be an Anti-Diva... a monster heel that fans will possibly cheer for just because its new and entertaining... and she will only diminish into the background if the WWE drops the ball with her.
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Well I'm putting this in WWE Section as she hasn't actually debuted yet.. Moderators, feel free to move it to RAW or SD if you wish to do so..
Now that the initial impact has faded away, that maniacal laughter, that creepy theme music (THE BEST BADASS MUSIC I'VE HEARD IN YEARS, KUDOS!!), that sheer size and strength, do you think that even the creative team including Vince are not yet sure which side of coin will Kharma fit??
I means she debuted by destroying 3 heels in a row, then Eve twice (in a house show as well).. The male demographics is obviously going to cheer for her because of the pure badass gimmick.. The women and kids look awed when she is on stage.. No one has heard a single word from this women yet.. What do you think her initial role is going to be??
A face who destroys the heels (We haven't had many divas or superstars of that sort.. Few including the Undertaker, but not many)
A heel who wreaks havoc on the faces (She would someday fit into that role seeing as its not hard to boo her)
A tweener who kicks anyone's ass, Anywhere, Anytime (Sort of like SCSA.. VKM, Stunner!! Steph, Stunner!! Shane, Stunner!! Linda, Stunner!!)
Thoughts..?? Comments..?? Any idea why the fuck she hasn't Implant Bustered Michael Cole yet.. I'm waiting like shit for that to happen...
PS--> Does anyone else thinks that Mason Ryan looks like a constipated turtle when he opens his mouth..
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Now that the initial impact has faded away, that maniacal laughter, that creepy theme music (THE BEST BADASS MUSIC I'VE HEARD IN YEARS, KUDOS!!), that sheer size and strength, do you think that even the creative team including Vince are not yet sure which side of coin will Kharma fit??
I means she debuted by destroying 3 heels in a row, then Eve twice (in a house show as well).. The male demographics is obviously going to cheer for her because of the pure badass gimmick.. The women and kids look awed when she is on stage.. No one has heard a single word from this women yet.. What do you think her initial role is going to be??
A face who destroys the heels (We haven't had many divas or superstars of that sort.. Few including the Undertaker, but not many)
A heel who wreaks havoc on the faces (She would someday fit into that role seeing as its not hard to boo her)
A tweener who kicks anyone's ass, Anywhere, Anytime (Sort of like SCSA.. VKM, Stunner!! Steph, Stunner!! Shane, Stunner!! Linda, Stunner!!)
Thoughts..?? Comments..?? Any idea why the fuck she hasn't Implant Bustered Michael Cole yet.. I'm waiting like shit for that to happen...
PS--> Does anyone else thinks that Mason Ryan looks like a constipated turtle when he opens his mouth..
Agree with me, Give Me a HELL YEAH!!
Vince continues to thumb his nose at TNA. Kaz was only booked on Velocity when he was there for a short stint. Chris Walker and Monty Brown were given new names and made into jobbers. They haven't used Gail Kim since she returned, and made Christian's world title reign a joke by having him drop the belt to randy orton a mere 48 hours later. Look for kong to start jobbing after she suffers her first ever televised loss. The talent in TNA need to understand that Vince will never ever push them seriously.
brighamosity
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I think she has clearly been booked as a face so far. That's why they had her start off beating up the bad guy wrestlers. But I think even WWE is surprised by the response she's getting, so they tested her with Eve at that house show last week, and then again on Raw. She is going to get a strong reaction regardless because most people aren't that interested by divas in the first place. It's like when Randy Orton RKO's Evan Bourne. It's funny to see Divas get pushed around. Honestly, I'd like to see Kharma in a battle royal and just totally dominate everyone. At this point, I think the only one capable of stopping her would be Beth Phoenix.
As for Vince holding her TNA past against her, I think this is doubtful. If she had never been in TNA, she probably wouldn't have gotten the time of day from Vince. I think the whole "Vince won't push TNA guys" thing is a biased opinion. Who has jumped ship from TNA that deserves to be higher on the card than they are? R Truth? Really? Christian? The guy just won a world title. Sure, he lost it in two days, but even so, that's still quite a push. Who else? Gail Kim? Who cares about her anyway?
My point is, maybe Vince held a grudge against WCW guys. (and even that's debatable. Just look at Chris Jericho and Steve Austin) But that's because WCW was in direct competition. TNA isn't even in WWE's league. Most WWE fans have likely never even seen TNA. They are not a threat. No one outside the IWC had any idea who Kharma was before a month ago.
As for Vince holding her TNA past against her, I think this is doubtful. If she had never been in TNA, she probably wouldn't have gotten the time of day from Vince. I think the whole "Vince won't push TNA guys" thing is a biased opinion. Who has jumped ship from TNA that deserves to be higher on the card than they are? R Truth? Really? Christian? The guy just won a world title. Sure, he lost it in two days, but even so, that's still quite a push. Who else? Gail Kim? Who cares about her anyway?
My point is, maybe Vince held a grudge against WCW guys. (and even that's debatable. Just look at Chris Jericho and Steve Austin) But that's because WCW was in direct competition. TNA isn't even in WWE's league. Most WWE fans have likely never even seen TNA. They are not a threat. No one outside the IWC had any idea who Kharma was before a month ago.
Seeing as how Kharma is probably the best thing that's happened to the Divas Division in recent memory... I thought it would be fun to keep track of who she's gone through and who we predict she will go through next.
The Divas Roster consist of:
Alicia Fox
Beth Phoenix
Brie Bella
Eve Torres
Gail Kim
Kaitlyn
Kelly Kelly
Layla
Maryse
Melina
Natalya
Nikki Bella
Rosa Mendes
Tamina
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Kharma has dealt karma out to
1. Michelle McCool
2. Maryse
3. Alicia Fox
4. Eve Torres
5. Layla
Who do you think will be Kharma's next victim, and who do you think will be the one to stop Kharma?
Also... would it be appropriate for Kharma to hold the "Divas Championship"?
Personally... I hope Michael Cole is next... it looks like he will be sooner or later.
The Divas Roster consist of:
Alicia Fox
Beth Phoenix
Brie Bella
Eve Torres
Gail Kim
Kaitlyn
Kelly Kelly
Layla
Maryse
Melina
Natalya
Nikki Bella
Rosa Mendes
Tamina
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Kharma has dealt karma out to
1. Michelle McCool
2. Maryse
3. Alicia Fox
4. Eve Torres
5. Layla
Who do you think will be Kharma's next victim, and who do you think will be the one to stop Kharma?
Also... would it be appropriate for Kharma to hold the "Divas Championship"?
Personally... I hope Michael Cole is next... it looks like he will be sooner or later.
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I think she should start attacking the male superstars, shes tougher than the current IC and US champions combined. She could be the breakout star of 2011. She is going to dominate the womens division, and once shes done with that she should be allowed to move into the mens, she would be a credible champion no matter where you place her, and a credible contender to any title, on any brand, vs any competitor.
Negrodamus
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We have to stop the talk about moving her to the mens, wwe did that with Chyna and she was never the same again, she also diminished the value of the IC title by winning it so to have her against men would be pointless.
Keep her in the divas division they have enough quality divas to have good matches with her and Kharma sells moves great and can make it look like the smaller diva ( if she has talent ) look strong.
Natalya Tamin, Gail and Beth there is 4 feuds that wont go stale with quality opponents for her.
What I really believe is happening in this storyline though is the inevitable heel turn of Kelly Kelly. where Kharma clears out the div and kelly Kelly becomes the champion with Kharma as her bodyguard. Why else would Kelly be in every match that Kharma has come to and gotten away scotch free with just a look. Just a way I am seeing this play out I could be wrong though.
Keep her in the divas division they have enough quality divas to have good matches with her and Kharma sells moves great and can make it look like the smaller diva ( if she has talent ) look strong.
Natalya Tamin, Gail and Beth there is 4 feuds that wont go stale with quality opponents for her.
What I really believe is happening in this storyline though is the inevitable heel turn of Kelly Kelly. where Kharma clears out the div and kelly Kelly becomes the champion with Kharma as her bodyguard. Why else would Kelly be in every match that Kharma has come to and gotten away scotch free with just a look. Just a way I am seeing this play out I could be wrong though.
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