Kane is so underrated

[EADESER]

Sorry if this is in the wrong section or if someone has already posted this topic I haven't seen one though.

I thought I'd just show some appreciation for Kane as I think he is so under rated, probably the most under rated wrestler of all time in my opinion.

Ever since he returned with his mask I think he has a had a great run. I know his feud with Cena wasm't the greatest and he basically got buried by Cena but I still think he did a pretty good job and at least his first feud when he returned was with the face of the company, People took notice.

He then went on to face orton at Mania and actually won and that was against arguably the second biggest star in the company at this point. ( not my opinion and before people say hhh or taker are bigger I agree with that but there not even part time at this point).

After that he feuded with CM Punk and Daniel Bryan for the wwe championship, although he didn't win the title he still was very relevant in this feud and I think he made the feud interesting becuase Bryan and Punk feuding was getting kind of boring.

He's now feuding with Daniel Bryan and in my opinion this is one of the only reasons to actually watch raw. They have so much chemistry together were feuding or tagging and they have made the anger management storyline so entertaining and funny.

Basically what I'm saying is there has been a lot of people who have said kane has been buried since he returned and has done nothing but I have to disagree with that.

I mean I look at it like this since he's returned he's face Cena. orton, punk And Bryan and there the four biggest stars currently in wrestling today. He's been in the mainevent most of the time and got title matchs and he seems to be getting better with age. He moves so well for someone his size and age and can pretty much have a decent match with any no matter there size.

My point is that Kane is more relevant since he returned than he had been in a long time. I dunno what it is about the mask either. Even though we know what he looks like and even though he was more dominant when he first wore the mask, I still feel he just comes across more badass and relevant with the mask on.

 

[theBec2101]

I think he is. Then again he might like where he is at within the company. I mean he can wrestle for a guy his size. He speaks really well. He also has a great gimmick and the look. He can play face or heel. But I do think he underrated and doesn’t get enough credit for the stuff he has done and can do.

 

[ProWrestlingFan]

Kane is underrated. And I disagree with you about Kane having a great run since he returned. His fued with Zack Ryder sucked.Then he put over John Cena for no reason and then he was fueding with Daniel Bryan and CM Punk and many people didn't even cared for Kane because everybody knew he won't win. Kane has been in WWE since 1998 and he is only a 2 Time World Champion.

Kane was the most relevant in 2001-2004 when he was fueding with the likes of Steve Austin, HHH, Shane Mcmahon,etc but then the fued with Undertaker ruined him.

 

[shooter_mcgavin]

I think he is. Then again he might like where he is at within the company. I mean he can wrestle for a guy his size. He speaks really well. He also has a great gimmick and the look. He can play face or heel. But I do think he underrated and doesn’t get enough credit for the stuff he has done and can do.

Plus he's the guy who will most likely follow Jesse Ventura's footsteps and run for Governor or something. I swear Kane on TV shows is probably the most articulate and thought provoking superstar in the active roster.

That said yes I agree Kane is in a position he might like not a top guy but consistently in solid programs and storylines. Plus I am sure he's made a fortune with the WWE and also he did finally got rewarded by have a decent run at the World Title (something fans have been clamoring for).

 

[DirtyJosé]

He then went on to face orton at Mania and actually won and that was against arguably the second biggest star in the company at this point...

Um, no? CM Punk is a thing, bro. Orton at Mania was an afterthought, a consolation prize for helping prop Cena up leading into Mania. This is a knock on Orton more than it is on Kane. Orton was very much NOT the second biggest star at that point.

Basically what I'm saying is there has been a lot of people who have said kane has been buried since he returned and has done nothing but I have to disagree with that.

I mean I look at it like this since he's returned he's face Cena. orton, punk And Bryan and there the four biggest stars currently in wrestling today. He's been in the mainevent most of the time and got title matchs and he seems to be getting better with age. He moves so well for someone his size and age and can pretty much have a decent match with any no matter there size.

My point is that Kane is more relevant since he returned than he had been in a long time. I dunno what it is about the mask either. Even though we know what he looks like and even though he was more dominant when he first wore the mask, I still feel he just comes across more badass and relevant with the mask on.

Having the mask back is a plus for Kane, whether it's one or two of them. Being out of the mask made him a bit too human to continue using the way they had been. That being said, Kane has only ever been good as the people he's working with.

In the right angle with the right opponent, he's fuckin' golden. As soon as that one angle is done, he tends to get lost. He doesn't really carry things on his own very well, or at least for very long. He's a great part-time championship contender with enough character to float near the top and hold some measure of relevance.

 

[BaraaTZK92]

yes ....very underrated.
when he returned with the mask at the beginning of the year, he should have been pushed to the main event as a monster heel instead of that boring Big Show.

Instead, they made him lose to Superman and completely destroyed his momentum.

 

[Natural Selection]

Kane is absolutely underrated and really always has been. IMO he took the first H.I.A.C match from great to instant classic, without ever saying a word.

Kane has been in WWE since 1998 and he is only a 2 Time World Champion.

And lets not forget the first title run was less then 24hrs long. They only had him go over Austin because of the set himself on fire stipulation and if I recall correctly Kane's win at K.O.R 98 set up the Austin/Taker/Kane angle of that summer.

That being said, Kane has only ever been good as the people he's working with.

I disagree, I think Kane makes whoever he's in the ring with as good as he is. He can carry someone in and out of the ring. Let's not forget Kane made X-Pac more relevant then he probably ever had been before.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

Yeah, it's a viewpoint that I've had for a long while now. Kane is a guy that's pretty underrated in my eyes in terms of his overall ability. For the most part, Kane is someone that's managed to find a way to be useful and entertaining in almost every angle he's been in. It's true that he's sometimes found himself in situations that aren't to be envied, like the whole storyline where Edge kidnapped Paul Bearer during their feud back in 2010, but he's always done his best.

Kane's someone that's got some things going against him in the minds of a lot of internet fans. When it comes to the opinion of a good portion of net fans, you're apparently not a good wrestler if you're well north of 6 feet tall and well north of 220 pounds. In their minds, if you're a big guy then you're not really worth a damn. Kane's also a guy that some people want to peg in a very limited role. For instance, when Kane came back at the beginning of this year, a lot of people were disappointed that he didn't go right back to the wordless, generally one dimensional monster that he was in his early days. He was able to get away with it in those early days because he had Paul Bearer to speak for him and he was in the middle of a big feud with The Undertaker. Here we are, however, nearly 15 years later and Kane is someone that's shown time and time again that he can do more than that. Kane has delivered some flat out great promos over the past few years and he's excelling in his current angle with Daniel Bryan.

Speaking of his current angle with Bryan, I think the fact that it's coming off so well is another indicator of how good Kane is. On the surface, it's kind of a silly storyline that could come off as unbearably bad. The WWE isn't going overboard with it, at least not all that much, and they've got two guys involved that are, surprisingly, extremely good in this situation.

I don't think Kane is someone that would've really ever been the face of the WWE or anything along those lines, but he's been one of the most stable elements in the WWE's upper mid-card and main event scenes for nearly a decade and a half that doesn't get nearly enough credit.

 

[Kelso1ftw]

I love Kane, he has a great character and Glen Jacobs plays it so well! Honestly I hope this year is the year where he gets his wrestlemania moment and wins the WHC at Mania either by winning the Rumble (which he has always dominated with his eliminations yet has never won it) or by getting thrown into the title picture. Out of all the superstars that are wrestling today, who would deserve it more to have the year of his career in the next couple of years before he starts to decline and retire? He is already 45 years old, I don't expect to see him in the ring after 5 years from now. Cena, Big Show, Orton, HHH, and Taker all have had their dominant and multiple title reigns now I think its Kane's turn like how Mark Henry had his dominant reign towards the end of 2011 which capped off his career.

Besides all that and what he deserves to accomplish, his talent is very underrated. For his size he can put on one hell of a match and knows the ring like the back of his hand. He can put on a good match with pretty much any superstar in the WWE and he can play his character as good as anyone in the WWE. Who ever thought a gimmick like Kane would work? not only if it would work but even with someone like The Undertaker already in the WWE having a crazy character like that. He is one hell of an actor and also one hell of a wrestler. He definitely deserves more praise and he is one of the most recognizable characters in WWE history and deserves every title he has gotten and then some and I'm sure he will be in the HOF probably only a few years after he retires.

 

[Natural Selection]

I love Kane, he has a great character and Glen Jacobs plays it so well! Honestly I hope this year is the year where he gets his wrestlemania moment and wins the WHC at Mania either by winning the Rumble (which he has always dominated with his eliminations yet has never won it) or by getting thrown into the title picture. Out of all the superstars that are wrestling today, who would deserve it more to have the year of his career in the next couple of years before he starts to decline and retire? He is already 45 years old, I don't expect to see him in the ring after 5 years from now. Cena, Big Show, Orton, HHH, and Taker all have had their dominant and multiple title reigns now I think its Kane's turn like how Mark Henry had his dominant reign towards the end of 2011 which capped off his career.

Besides all that and what he deserves to accomplish, his talent is very underrated. For his size he can put on one hell of a match and knows the ring like the back of his hand. He can put on a good match with pretty much any superstar in the WWE and he can play his character as good as anyone in the WWE. Who ever thought a gimmick like Kane would work? not only if it would work but even with someone like The Undertaker already in the WWE having a crazy character like that. He is one hell of an actor and also one hell of a wrestler. He definitely deserves more praise and he is one of the most recognizable characters in WWE history and deserves every title he has gotten and then some and I'm sure he will be in the HOF probably only a few years after he retires.

A Rumble win for Kane would be very suiting. Think about it, how hard would it be to have him come in around 12-18 dominate for a good fifteen minutes, get ganged up on, power out and work his way to the final four and then systematically work his way through the final four?

I think him and any of the possible WHC holders(except Del Rio) could put on a very solid build toward WrestleMania. Culminating in a long over due Kane title win on the grandest stage of them all. Daniel Bryan would my first choice followed by Sheamus or Orton.

 

[The Last Outlaw]

Actually, Kane is a one time World Champion, not a two time world champion. Also, I'd like to make a notation that he has been in the WWE since 1997, not 1998. So yeah, he's held the WWE Championship for 24 hours, and the other the World Championship for a little bit. Sorry, I'm not trying to correct anyone I just wanted to state what happened for those who may actually be confused.

Anyway, as for Kane being underrated...YES, he is. I'm so glad that finally, someone made a thread about this. As for Kane holding his own, to be honest, Kane can carry his own storyline for as long as he wants, it's not hard for him. It's not him that is getting lost after the angle is over, it's McMahon and the creative team. You've seen how novel like his promos can be, (take his promo's about Undertaker when he was in a vegetative state as an example).

Kane is the best at holding angles with no worry out of the entire roster because he is so intelligent and he knows exactly what to do. If the creative team and McMahon would just get off of their asses and forget about the silly tag team thing they're trying to give him and immediately put him in the higher place that he belongs, I'll be very happy.

WWE still claims Kane as a Main Eventer, which he is...but they're treating him as if he was a Mid Carder. Sure, some of the tag thing is a little funny but Kane is not a comedian. He is a monster, I'm tired of them making him a teddy bear. Hugging Daniel Bryan? That pissed me off enough, but to find out he hugged Kofi too...that really makes me want to hurt somebody. What are the creative team thinking? Are they out of their minds? To be honest, I'm thinking so.

Kane is a Main Event Superstar that deserves a WWE Title run longer than one day. If you guys want my honest opinion, I'd say with as long as they tried wasting his talent and career giving the title to other less deserving Superstars, I'd say he should have a WWE Title run for at least a year and then he can drop it. I mean, he does deserve it and I know he could carry the ratings well too. All they need to do is make him Heel, be the MONSTER that he is and then they got a legitimate Golden Goose.

 

[DethMetal]

Indeed. Kane is very underrated, so much that it scares me at times. Some people really don't give the man enough credit. The man, Glen Jacobs, can play just about any role that you give him to perfection and make it work, and there aren't many like that. Whether it was the vengeful brother, to the psychotic monster, to the comedic big guy, Kane was able to play the role damn near to perfection. I think that his current thing with Daniel Bryan is just another example of just how malleable Kane is. I definitely think that he deserves more acolades.

 

[Dirk]

I never get why Kane is always thrown in as a supporting character. To be honest, the last Kane-angle I enjoyed was the one with Edge kidnapping Paul Bearer last year. He was a bona fide main-eventer, not thrown in at the last minute like with the DBD/ Punk fued.

Kane has so much talent. He has mic skills and is excellent in the ring. It's also a very good thing he's as over he is, seeing as the creative staff don't seem to know whether he's a heel or face.

I haven't seen anybody mention this before, so I'm going to poke the elephant in the room - Undertaker. Seeing as their carreers are so interwoven, comparisons are inevitable. Kane never enjoyed the same level of success, which is a shame. I believe both are excellent all-rounders.

 

[Natural Selection]

I haven't seen anybody mention this before, so I'm going to poke the elephant in the room - Undertaker. Seeing as their carreers are so interwoven, comparisons are inevitable. Kane never enjoyed the same level of success, which is a shame. I believe both are excellent all-rounders.

I've long thought that if the streak has to end, the only logical way to do it is with Kane. And you could do it one of two ways. With a face vs heel angle in which Kane is hell bent on ending his brother and the only way to do that is to destroy him at WrestleMania. Or you could do a face vs face angle in which Undertaker just has to know if he is still capable of beating his brother. That match would probably be very similar to HBK vs Flair in which HBK reluctantly gave sweet chin music to Flair.

Personally I hope the streak never ends, but if it has to let the Big Red Monster have that honor.

 

[shrimc]

Kane is one of the most underrated superstars in WWE history in this day and age a two time world champion might as well make you Jake "The Snake" Roberts. Anyone who thinks Kane doesn't deserve more should watch the 2001 Royal Rumble match he is in the ring dominating for almost an hour, he did everything in that match he went from power, to hardcore to comedy (Honky Tonk Man and Drew Carey), he elimanted 11 goddamn superstars, only to be eliminated by Stone Cold who got his third Royal Rumble win. Kane deserved to win that match. Granted if Kane had won that the Attitude Era would have ended with Kane vs Rock, a good ending, but not Stone Cold vs Rock. Still Kane should win the 2013 Rumble and then face Daniel Bryan at WM for the WHC. Kane has done so much for the company, he is the second best 7' footer in the history of the WWE behind Andre and just above Big Show.
I just hope Kane gets a big sendoff when he retires.

 

[HBKistheHOF]

Glen Jacobs has one of the only wrestling minds to rival that of Jim Ross IMO.

As well as being one of the most consistent performers since signing with WWE.

I have always thought Kane to be one of the most underrated "Superstars" ever.

The ONLY thing I can agree to dislike about him is that his promos are very slow & monotone......but HELLO....Undertaker?!?!

Don't get me wrong, I am a big fan of Taker & understand why he is what he is. But if anything Kane is at the very least equal, if not better than Taker, in terms on mic skills. And he almost identical in terms of charisma, performance, & athletics.

So why has Kane always been so far behind? I think it is really a matter of WWE booking & that WWE always planned on getting Taker over, Kane was just a tool to do so.

I think Kane can grow stale at times because he is sometimes poorly booked, but that is almost 100% creative IMO. Also I feel he suffers from the syndrome that Big Slow does. If he is nothing but a monster that can destroy everyone, how does he ever lose or stop being so aggresive?!?!

It just becomes illogical if he goes from buring people & winning a world title to taking off his mask & teaming with the Hurricane.

I think it was decisions like this over time with Kane's character, added with the fact that he comes off a little more demonic than Taker, that not only made Kane a lesser Taker but a lesser or underutilized role in general.

 

[CyberPunk]

Kane has been one of my favourite superstars. No one could've pulled off Kane as Glenn Jacobs has. And even after being in some of the worst storylines ever (Katie Vick anyone?), somehow he has not only stayed relevant but also stayed in the upper midcard/main event.

He is underrated for sure. He is the back up plan for WWE. He is the go-to guy whenever the need arises. His world title reigns prove it. He got the world title back in 2010 when SD lacked any bonafide ME heel. He has turned countless times and has always made it work somehow. Even at this time when cartoon gimicks do not exist, Kane makes it believable (Undertaker is part time as you know it). His current angle with Bryan proves how good he is. What could've been a pathetic series of skits have been so funny and entertaining because of two amazing talents working together.

He deserves at least one last go at the world title, any one of them. And I'm sure ratings won't be effected that much, especially if it is WHC.

 

[ad a dglgmut]

I agree with just about everything that's being said about Kane. He's great, and totally underrated. He can adapt to just about anything the writers throw at him and make it work. I've seen some complaints about when Kane does more comedy oriented stuff, but I personally am a big fan of that. We've seen Kane be demonic and evil many, many times before. I always find the lighter funny Kane bits very entertaining. In my opinion, Kane is at his best in an odd-couple tag team situation. Kane and X-Pac, for example. I'm actually very entertained by the current anger management angle with Kane and Bryan, and I actually hope they win the titles on Sunday.

 

[IT Factor]

When you take a look at how massively over Kane has been and add in how great a character he has always been, you realize how underrated he has been and continues to be. The entire Kane/Kofi segment on Smackdown and the Kane/Bryan recap stuff is what entertained me the most. Usually by the time Smackdown comes around, you are really tired of RAW the first time around and the numerous recaps throughout the 3 hour marathon. The Kane & Bryan anger management stuff is so great that I could watch recaps for weeks and not tire of it.

My main problem with Kane is that WWE simply cannot decide what to do with him. Do they make him a mega heel badass monster or a comedy act? They keep switching him up so often that it gets confusing and I'm sure most people feel the same way. I will say this much: it is a credit to Glen Jacobs that the Kane character has evolved despite the inconsistency and he's made it work no matter what he's given to work with[or lack of something to work with]. Kane should be main eventing alongside Bryan for an actual title, as I believe a title feud with dual tag champion storyline would be entertaining. It's been done before, but Kane & Bryan could make that interesting and totally their own with the anger management twist on it.

 

[MayorMcCheese]

I agree, after Undertaker Kane is arguably the best big man ever. People don't appreciate him as much because WWE puts him in some STUPID ass storylines(fake kane, katie vick, Snitsky) also it doesn't help WWE screwed him with that dumb ass 1 day WWF title reign, back then Kane was legitimately over big time, and could have easily carried the title for a few months.

Currently his stuff with Daniel Bryan entertains me way more than almost anything else they are doing

 

[MCMG]

Kane is extremely underrated and it has annoyed me for a long time. He has been so consistent and versatile for years and deserves better. No matter what feud the WWE set up with him, he competes to a very high level and puts on great matches whilst maintaining a very challenging gimmick.

If it were up to me, kane would have 5/6 world title reigns to his name rather than his 1 and a half.

 

[The Last Outlaw]

I would have to agree with MCMG, that was right on par with what I was thinking. Kane does compete at a very high level, I mean...the guy is in his 40's yet he can jump off the top rope with his signature flying clothesline and land it no problem. He's the only 7 footer I know that is willing to go onto the top rope out of anyone in the WWE. The thing is, he pulls it off so well. When he puts on a fight, whether it be a brawler, agile, or just being an all out power houser, Kane does it all. After all, Brock Lesnar himself said the one man he couldn't beat in an arm wrestling match was Kane.

The only reason Kane loses the matches that he's been losing as of late is because of the lazy ass creative team and McMahon. The Kane we know can take out the likes of Orton, CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, and even as it has happened before....The Undertaker. I understand that the new guys like Bryan and Punk and all of them deserve a run and should be put over and have their title run, I'm pretty sure everyone knows that. However, I think they should wait until after Kane gets his own lengthy run first, simply because he is the most deserving at this point in his career. I mean, think about it, he never argued he just did what was asked of him and that was to put everyone else over. If it wasn't him standing on the sidelines, half the champions that were champion wouldn't have been champion. What he needs is the WWE Championship Title, and I say he needs to hold it for a long time so he can get the recognition that he deserves. The others can get their WWE Championship Reign after he has his moment of glory. It's about time that Kane finally gets to appear on the cover of a WWE game.

 

[Con T.]

Oh, fuck me.

This seems like a textbook case of a guy having a good angle, and everyone feeling the need to slob on his knob a little. Kane is rated exactly as he should be; a guy who's a good wrestler, but is only as good as the guy he's working with. Does anyone else find it a coincidence that Kane looks great when he's in a program with Daniel Bryan?

Furthermore, do I need to explain how much horrible television Kane's been involved in? Allow me to use my post in the WZ tourney, when he was facing William Regal

But that isn't just it, no. Plenty of wrestlers have gotten by with being one dimensional. But none of those characters have been involved in as much shitty, shitty television as Kane. Someone's going to argue the fact that Kane held the world title, and Regal didn't. Well, let's look back on that recent reign as champion. It involved a shitty angle with Taker, completely filled with inane swerves and bad matches, and an Edge angle where Paul Bearer was kidnapped, and Kane, the heel, played the good guy trying to save his father. It was such a shitty build, WWE decided they needed to add Rey Mysterio and Alberto Del Rio, just to make sure it would be less awful.

And no, this is not a rare occurrence for Kane. Or must I bring up;

Katie Vick
Kane wants to impregnate Lita
Kane does impregnate Lita, and they have a stillborn child
The resulting feud with SNITSKY (it wasn't his fault, which I'm sure countless Kane fans are going to argue)
May 19th!
My brother is in a vegetative state, and i'm going to solve the mystery!

I can go on, and on, and fucking on. And you can argue it's creative, but Kane is always the constant. Kane, the only seven foot monster in wrestling who gives these pseudo-intellectual promos, with awful jargon no one ever uses in real life. Kane, with bad matches that kill the crowd dead. In all of these angles, Kane is the constant with all of this shitty television. Or did everyone forget when as bitched two months ago when he was having the worst feud Of John Cena's career.

Look, if this sounds like I want Kane out... I do. Just too much bad television for me to ever forgive him. And at the end of the day, Regal is just better. So give me Regal

All of that is still true; Kane has been involved in numerous, absolutely atrocious feuds. He seems like a nice enough fellow, and when put with the right people, he looks really good. But don't let his recent run fool any of you; this man has had some cringeworthy moments, which have resulted in some of the legitimately worst feuds of all time.

Not underrated
He is exactly average,
And nothing more, jack.

 

[SWPhoenix]

Except this is more along the lines that the man behind the role is so much more than average. Your "numerous examples" only prove that he's had the unfortunate relegation of horrendous storylines dropped on his head, and he does the best he can with them. To try and undercut the man's ability by quoting what boils down to shitty decisions by creative is just, sad.

I've long thought that if the streak has to end, the only logical way to do it is with Kane. And you could do it one of two ways. With a face vs heel angle in which Kane is hell bent on ending his brother and the only way to do that is to destroy him at WrestleMania. Or you could do a face vs face angle in which Undertaker just has to know if he is still capable of beating his brother. That match would probably be very similar to HBK vs Flair in which HBK reluctantly gave sweet chin music to Flair.

Personally I hope the streak never ends, but if it has to let the Big Red Monster have that honor.

I remember reading, years ago, on a site like this, that Taker wanted Kane to end the streak and Kane refuses.

http://forums.wrestlezone.com/showthread.php?t=122792

In this older thread on a similar subject, poster M13 states;

I remember reading once that Taker said he;s last match he would like it to be with Kane, and Kane to win. I think it was in the WWE magazine a few years ago.

And later, SydTinDad;

4) Taker has always said he wants Kane to break the streak but Glen Jacobs has continued to say NO and that the streak must never end.

It's a serious catch-22. The streak cannot end to an up and comer. It just can't. It's too risky. If this fresh face can't hack it afterwards, it all comes crashing down around Vince's ears. HBK and Trips were legitimate threats, and I was actually concerned, and I'm glad he held on.

But now, at 20-0, with his health concerns and all, he needs to retire. I want to see a knock down drag out brawl in the cell with Kane, where the torch is passed. I do. But, the cell was just done, Kane doesn't want it, Taker might not be able to do it, and 20 and 0 is a hell of a number to go out with.

 

[InsomniaMusic]

Kane has always been underrated but hes in a great position in WWE he's a guy they can make lose a hundred times and at any time be pushed inthe championship main event status. Still can put on a great match