John Morrison vs. Sin Cara - A Dream Ladder Match?

[#SAWFT]

What do you all think if Sin Cara went against John Morrison in a Ladders Match at Extreme Rules?
Just to re-iterate, THIS WON'T HAPPEN. The question is would you like to see it? Also, why would you like to see this match?
Think about it, all the big spots, the high flying moves! It's amazing! I would love to see this match, because it would build up Sin Cara as a character, and would make him seem amazing!!

 

[Koit]

That would be an awsome match. Two great highflying wrestlers facing each other in a ladder match. You're right it will not happen but it would be an awsome match. I would pay for it, if it was like a fifteen minute match or something. It can't be really really short.

 

[ffrikku]

That particular match I wouldnt want to see. They both have an impressive move set but I dont think their styles would mesh well together. It would be a match full of set ups for the next high spot. While you could see some cool stuff I dont think that match would be as epic or memorable as other ladder matches in past or ones they could do in future

 

[Jason Scene]

I'd have to say in a one-on-one ladder match, Shelton Benjamin vs. Sin Cara. I've seen some of Mistico's work in ladder matches already, predomaniantly from Mexico, and he has some pretty sharp skills with a ladder. Of course it would depend on Shelton Benjamin getting resigned with the WWE.

But, personally that would be my one. Shelton has vast experience in ladder matches, as does Mistico.

 

[EmporioViper]

Rey Mysterio Vs Sin Cara in a ladder match would be awesome!!! Thats a match that i would love to see. I think most of you will agree on it and they could go at it for the WWE United States championship or Intercontinental championship! That would bring more prestige to one of those championships aswel and personaly i would like to see Rey Vs Sin Cara especial in a ladder match and they could use it to solidify Sin Cara as a main eventer.

 

[WunNightStan619]

That particular match I wouldnt want to see. They both have an impressive move set but I dont think their styles would mesh well together. It would be a match full of set ups for the next high spot. While you could see some cool stuff I dont think that match would be as epic or memorable as other ladder matches in past or ones they could do in future

i disagree..remember when Morrison faced mysterio on smackdown for the IC title in wun of the best matches of the year..i think would work well together, and putting the ladder in the mix would just be incredible

 

[LegendKiller716]

I love Morrison, but I would rather see Sin Cara vs Evan Bourne in a ladder match.

Evan Bourne sells better than the entire locker room and he can make Sin Cara look really good and put on a great high flying match.

I think Evan Bourne will always be a jobber, but he is really good at it.

 

[Shadowbladez]

I would actually love to see John Morrison vs. Sin Cara vs. Evan Bourne. Now that could be a really good match with or without ladders.

 

[mrhexum]

Morrison vs Sin Cara in a ladder match has the potential to be great. But, also has the potential to be one of the biggest "botch fests" in recent memory.

While I would love to see it at some point, I think it is way too risky right now. It would draw for sure, but, for now, if it's gonna be done anytime soon, I think it should be done on RAW or Smackdown, not a pay-per-view, just in case.

 

[TheKingHustla]

I think that until Sin get's more familiar with the roster and gets those nerves settled, he shouldn't be in a ladder match with anyone. It is too dangerous and if they botch the wrong move, serious damage could be done to a them. Ladder matches always has those big moves from the ladder. the super spears, the super dives onto stuff, the super fu's and such. You can guarantee that eventually, they would try the super starship pain, or the super whatever the hell Sin Cara's backflip front flip move is called, and if they have a botch on one of those, or any other super ladder move, it could be devestating. Maybe next year it would be great, but right now, i think they should stick to singles matches for Cara.

 

[SD619]

Would be quite a gamble as both perform quite high-risk high-flying moves..
On the other hand Sin Cara vs some experienced guy like Mysterio would be a safer bet..

 

[a0161613]

Balls to you all. This is a horrible idea and everyone who thinks this would be good should sit back and consider their words.

Firstly, let's consider what makes a great ladder match. Sure, the spots are important but great fliers don't necessarily make for a good match. There has to be something worth fighting for as well as two competitors who can make the psychology work.

So a ladder match just for the hell of it plain sucks but a capable worker in there who is able to get across the brutality and that makes his opponent look better when he survives the match.

What I am saying, competitors like Jericho or Michaels, guys who are known to able and go out to have a match with a ladder and who were able to make a guy look like a star are invaluable in a ladder match because of the psychology involved.

Being able to fly from spot to spot does not make for a good (ladder) match.

 

[Remix]

Balls to you all. This is a horrible idea and everyone who thinks this would be good should sit back and consider their words.

I don't know. THe match would be fun as fuck to watch if nothing else.

Firstly, let's consider what makes a great ladder match. Sure, the spots are important but great fliers don't necessarily make for a good match. There has to be something worth fighting for as well as two competitors who can make the psychology work.

Agreed. There's more to a good one on one ladder match than the spots. That said, Morrison did have a fucking good ladder with Sheamus with excellent psychology on both men's parts.

So a ladder match just for the hell of it plain sucks but a capable worker in there who is able to get across the brutality and that makes his opponent look better when he survives the match.

I think Morrison could do that. He did already with Sheamus, but that was mostly the Irishman dishing out the britality. However, Morrison could play the aggressor in an entirely different way. His spots to counter Sin Cara's attempts to climb the ladder would both make sence (he's climbing. Better stop him) and be awesome to watch (HOLY SHIT MAN! DID YOU SEE THAT KICK BY MORRISON?) Assuming that there was build up to the match, it could work really well.

What I am saying, competitors like Jericho or Michaels, guys who are known to able and go out to have a match with a ladder and who were able to make a guy look like a star are invaluable in a ladder match because of the psychology involved.

Then How the hell did Morrison and Sheamus go out and have such a good one without either of them. And hell, how did he have another good one with Jeff Fucking Hardy.

 

[TheKingHustla]

Then How the hell did Morrison and Sheamus go out and have such a good one without either of them. And hell, how did he have another good one with Jeff Fucking Hardy.

Was the Morrison Sheamus match good to everyone? or to you? i didnt see it but I never heard about it either. What's good to some people are horrible to others.

The keyword to the second sentence was Jeff Hardy. Jeff Hardy is great in ladder matches. He always has been great in ladder matches, that's what he does. He can make ladder matches better than they would be without him. especially when he was in the E.

 

[X]

But, personally that would be my one. Shelton has vast experience in ladder matches, as does Mistico.

...What? No he doesn't. Mistico has never been in a ladder match to my knowledge, he wrestled for CMLL who unlike AAA NEVER have ladder matches or gimmick matches of any kind. He has little to zero experience in ladder matches.

It's kind of funny how everyone just assumes Sin Cara would be awesome in a ladder match or assumes he has tons of experience just because he's a luchador. Ladder matches are still a very new thing in Mexico that have only really been adopted by AAA and no one else. Mistico would be just as lost out there in a ladder match as any other first-time ladder match wrestler.

Now, could a ladder match with Mistico and Morrison be good? Sure, I bet it would be a great match because they're both great talents. But again, Mistico/Sin Cara has NEVER been in a ladder match...so I'm not sure where the fuck you guys are getting this idea that he's awesome at them.

 

[Sick_Sider13]

...What? No he doesn't. Mistico has never been in a ladder match to my knowledge, he wrestled for CMLL who unlike AAA NEVER have ladder matches or gimmick matches of any kind. He has little to zero experience in ladder matches.

It's kind of funny how everyone just assumes Sin Cara would be awesome in a ladder match or assumes he has tons of experience just because he's a luchador. Ladder matches are still a very new thing in Mexico that have only really been adopted by AAA and no one else. Mistico would be just as lost out there in a ladder match as any other first-time ladder match wrestler.

Now, could a ladder match with Mistico and Morrison be good? Sure, I bet it would be a great match because they're both great talents. But again, Mistico/Sin Cara has NEVER been in a ladder match...so I'm not sure where the fuck you guys are getting this idea that he's awesome at them.

umm i remember watching a ladder match in AAA once. they don't grab a belt or nothing, it ends by pinfall or submission.
and hell yea it would be awesome but mostly cuz of the spots.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Which was a better ladder match, RVD vs Jeff Hardy or Jeff Hardy vs Undertaker? The correct answer is Hardy vs Undertaker. RVD vs hardy was an embarrassing spotfest with a ton of fake looking, contrived spots.

My point when people make up these dream matches is always this. In a movie you don't have 2 amazing bad guys do you? You need a protagonist and an antagonist. Malenko/Mysterio, Danielson/Kenta, Flair/Steamboat. They fit with EACH OTHER. If what makes 2 guys great is the same thing then there is nobody to work off of is there?

That logic mostly applies to a 2 man match or a 2 team match because in "one side vs another" matches you NEED a story and a lot of that is based off the strategy and how they interact. In a MULTIMAN, however, having both of these would be amazing. A MITB style match with these guys would no doubt bring in the highspots that make those matches. Multiman ladders need a big guy or 2 to take the falls, a few spotters to do the cool shit, and a few guys who could believably win to make you give a shit about who's going up. Plus the highspots need to look spontaneous. these 2 are the perfect "cool shit" guys.

 

[Starchild]

Well I think we need to hold off on a ladder match for now as Sin Cara isn't even adjusted to a regular WWE style match yet. Give him some time and he'll get there, people are too impatient.

What I would be interested in is just a singles match between Cara and Morrison. We've seen in the last few weeks how Cara is suffering due to the fact that he's wrestling a lucha libre style which no one he's been with really knows how to do. The timing has to be perfect to make it look really good and guys like Sheamus, Swagger. Miz, and Riley are not gonna be able to do that. Morrison on the other hand may be different. As far as I know, he doesn't know the lucha style but he certainly has a very unique style of his own. He uses his speed, agility, and high-flying prowess often which are all very crucial in the style Cara is accustomed to. So I think those two could compliment each other well and Morrison might actually be able to keep up.

 

[Reddog1146]

That would probably be the match of the year even though the match is not possible since they are both faces. They both use the most unorthodox offense i have seen and adding ladders would make their moves more awe inspiring. Also, if the match did happen, then sin cara and Jomo would get a push to more main events after the pay per view no matter who wins.

 

[Dagger Dias]

Well this obviously won't happen anytime soon, but I certainly would like to see it in the future. Morrison and Sin Cara would put on an amazing high flying match with all sorts of insane spots. I see both guys putting up a heck of a fight, with Morrison barely emerging victorious. This would benefit both due to the intensity the match would have. Morrison would move on to the world title scene, hopefully on a permenant basis, and Sin Cara would go on to make an impact in the midcard afterwards. It would be great for both guys and for the fans to have this match, at some point. Two guys deserving of a push get a great match, WWE makes money, us fans get a cool match. Everyone wins.

 

[Good Golly It's Ollie]

It's kind of funny how everyone just assumes Sin Cara would be awesome in a ladder match or assumes he has tons of experience just because he's a luchador.

I find myself agreeing with you. There's this weird assumption based on what people have seen of "small but agile guy in ladder match" that all of them will be good at them. Sin Cara at this stage barely has anyone he can work with because his style's so different, and WWE can hardly put him in a program with Rey when he's supposed to be the "next" Rey.

While I find Sin Cara to be a really refreshing addition to the WWE roster, no way is he ready for this kind of match yet, based on his experience. He even had trouble being in the ring with Primo. PRIMO. Now I'm sure if Sin Cara and Primo had another match even as soon as in a month's time, while it would be utterly pointless in terms of Cara's direction, he would be better adjusted to it than he was a couple of weeks ago. Anyone know if Cara spent much/any time in FCW, just out of interest?

Now, I think (brace yourselves, here comes one of Paragon's many bizarre analogies) that to function well, matches, and the roster, in WWE style should be constructed like the class system in an RPG game. ("What?!")

You've got different styles of wrestler to create both balance and interest. So Sin Cara in his high-spot style, is the equivalent of a mage - uses cool-looking spells for massive damage! But ultimately lacks the durability and consistency of a simple-but-effective warrior, who while less flashy, can take a hit as well as dish out damage. Perhaps it'd be better if Cara, or for safety's sake, Morrison, worked this match with someone like Sheamus, more of a brawler/powerhouse style. So what does this freaky-ass metaphor mean?

Well, I think Sin Cara and JoMo should not work this match together, at least not now. As good as they both are in the ring with regards to their own styles, if anything goes wrong it could end up looking like something out of CZW (no offence to fans of CZW, I'm sure it does have its merits. Somewhere) Besides, their styles are quite similar in the way of using "high-risk" spots. I dislike the term "spot-monkey", because it's derogatory, and as I said, I believe you need different styles of wrestler in a company these days to keep it interesting. Which means that so-called "spot monkeys" are valid as a style of wrestler. But why not make it a four-way-dance, with some power or mat styles for variation? The ladder can be used for a lot more than jumping really high.

Sheamus, for example, is pretty good at the brawling/intense, measured power thing, but if everyone wrestled the way Sheamus did I know I'd be bored and I expect all of you would be too. Same way I'd be bored if everyone wrestled like Sin Cara. With a contrast of styles you have something much more interesting, in my view.

Another fairly long post so for tl;dr, Sin Cara's style is not necessarily compatible with a ladder match at the moment just because he's a fast mover.

PS: I'd recommend paying attention to TWJC's post because he mentions storytelling which I forgot to bring up.

 

[Captain Morgan Freeman]

Well seing as they have moved him from raw to smackdown due to him botching a lot of his moves i dont think they have alot of confidence in sin cara at the moment.

Dont get me wrong a year down the line when sin cara gets used to working in front of large crowds and adapting to WWE's style of wrestling this match will happen but in the words of bill de'mot "hes as green as goose shit!".

I think their styles would suit quite well in the high flying enviroment of a ladder match and if evan bourne and/or shelton benjamin were added to the mix well then it would be even better in my opinion.

Remember when joey mercury's nose was busted open after a ladder smashed into his face? I dont think the WWE want to risk something similar happening due to a botched move.

 

[HBK/RKO]

No. For one we haven't seen anything from Sin Cara to really know how good he is unless you watched him in a ladder match from his Mexico days. He seems to a bit sloppy in the ring. Besides all that I just don't think their chemistry would be that great. Sure Morrison had a great ladder match with Sheamus but he is a brawler and they blended well. Morrison and Sin Cara would both be doing spot after spot.

 

[klunderbunker]

On paper, yes. In reality and with any kind of thought put into it, no. Ladder matches aren't about the big spots. They're about the drama. Look back at HHH vs. Rock or Razor vs. Shawn. Of those two, both being arguably the best one on one ladder matches ever, Shawn is the only "ladder match guy" in them. The drama is what makes a great ladder match, not a ton of flips. Alberto vs. Christian was a great one and they didn't flip or dive that much. It's the drama, not the spots.

 

[blueskyy]

No, I don't want a John Morrison vs. Sin Cara match. Neither do I want a Kofi Kingston vs. Sin Cara match.

I rather have a John Cena vs. Sin Cara match, because then... I don't have to watch it.

Right now, of the 3 matches Sin Cara was in, he made all his opponents look bad, real bad, if I might add. With Cena, it is impossible that it would get any worse.