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John Cena is now a 15 TIME WWE World Heavyweight Champion!

I don't really understand why everyone thinks that Cena is going to drop the belt to Lesnar at Summerslam. It is just rumour and speculation at this point.

And it makes no sense at all for the WWE to use the excuse that Bryan has to be stripped of the title because he can't compete, and then give it to Lesnar at Summerslam. Lesnar is a wrestler who we see sporadically at best, and doesn't do the house show circuit at all. Lesnar would be the worst person to put the belts on now unless he's willing to show up more often and defend them.

The problem I have with Cena winning, is the fact that basically the belts have just rotated between the same guys for the last 3 years. The WWE has used the last year to elevate some of the younger guys but seems unwilling to pull the trigger to make them champ. The product has become boring beyond belief and I'm not looking forward to another SuperCena title reign.
 
I knew he was going to win it. He was the logical choice. Nobody else really makes sense.
Nothing new here. John Cena was bound to win it and a lot of people knew this for a fact prior to it happening. You can forget about unpredictability in this PG Era. Now watch John Cena lose the title to Brock Lesnar in Summer Slam 2 months from now. The only predictable result that I'm totally fine with, because I actually route for Brock Lesnar more than anyone in the business. Even though he's just a part-timer unfortunately.

There was never unpredictability in the Attitude Era either. Things were just as predictable then as they are now.

The worst thing the WWE can do now is give the belt to Lesnar. He is a part timer. It makes no sense to give the belt to someone who won't be on TV every week. Unless Lesnar agrees to more dates and I doubt that. The Rock was a part timer but to his credit he showed up more.
 
I've seen enough of John Cena to have seen everything, but I still don't mind him as a performer. As long as he doesn't get a long title reign, which won't happen thanks to Brock Lesnar or Seth Rollins, then I don't mind him keeping the title warm.
 
I don't get the uproar about Cena winning the belt. Especially since the people who are upset about it are people who follow stuff online and know that Lesnar is going to be taking the belt in 2 months anyway. This isn't the time to give Reigns, Wyatt, or Cesaro the championship. Cena is a place-holder and a major guy for Lesnar to go against.
 
I honestly don't understand why so many people are upset or genuinely annoyed by Cena being world champion again. Year after year, the venomous uproar starts, when Cena gets near a world championship, and year after year John Cena consistently delivers good and great matches, segments, and promos as a world champion. There's a reason why the man is the face of the company and the flag-bearer for the WWE.

Another hurdle you run into for the future is Summerslam and Brock Lesnar. In the ladder match, John Cena and Randy Orton were the only two people, who could face Lesnar as credible threats. With Orton as a heel, he's out of the picture, and you can say the same thing about Kane (and you'll have a hard time convincing people to care about a Kane VS Lesnar match, unless WWE inexplicably turns him face out of nowhere to go after Lesnar in a quest to avenge his brother).

Lesnar has to win at Summerslam. It wouldn't makes sense for him to end The Streak, and lose in his first match since Wrestlemania XXX. Putting another world title on Del Rio is a counterproductive move for a number of reasons. Cesaro, Reigns, and Wyatt are not ready yet, and you're not doing them any favors with a forgettable hot potato reign, so they can drop the WWE WHC to Lesnar at Summerslam. In the grand scheme of things, winning and losing the title so quickly would hurt all three men, because it's a shock win for the sake of shocking the fans with no real long term plans.

Cena VS Lesnar is a legit blockbuster match, and I'm looking forward to it. My guess is Cena regains the WWE WHC at Night Of Champions, and it'll be interesting to see how WWE handles Cena tying and chasing Flair's record (if they make the choice to go down that road).
 
Unfortunately, to quote HHH, it is what's best for business...having Cena win the title will only spark another feud, which is predictable...he comes out on RAW with the belt, then some heel will come out and attack him, making claim for the next title shot, setting up the main event for the next PPV, which may mean a Brock Lesnar sighting...but Cena will do the impossible and retain against Lesnar, even if it is by DQ.
 
I don't normally post on these forums, however this is one subject I really feel the need to comment on. I cannot see in anyway, shape or form that after Brock Lesnar broke the undertakers undefeated streak he does not become the WWE world heavyweight champion. Part time or not that is who was chosen to do the unthinkable and to have him lose another match, or be left out of the title picture would be worthless and foolish, it would make undertakers streak ending mean nothing. Having said that, with all the great up and coming new talent that will be carrying the company into the future, would it really be worth it to put the title on them just to drop it to lesnar in a few months? It could be hazardous to their career and ruin a good thing coming. John cena was the only choice, and the right choice. It is predictable however Brock lesnar will now face the man who defeated him in his first match back and it'll be for the WWE world heavyweight championship. Lesnar needs to avenge that loss and be on top of the mountain. Thennn he can drop it to a new star and create that persons rise as a main evener at wrestlemania. That's how it needs to be.
 
People are going to shit on it because that's how wrestling fans are. They always hold the past on a pedestal. Fact is, Cena draws more than Flair ever did. Has been the top draw longer than anyone I can think of except Hogan. In Hogan's day, he held the belt for three years.

Bottom line, you get the strap if you draw. Cena has drawn forever. Thus, he has a shitload of title reigns. I don't think it's a disgrace at all. He works hard, always gets a reaction (if you boo him he's probably working you, try cheering the other guy). Good for him.
 
I was initially sad about it, but now on second thoughts, I'm actually happy.
Roman Reigns, Cesaro and Bray Wyatt were not gonna win the title anyway. Plus it might have been too early for them because once you lose the title, anything else apart from a fight for it will seem like a downgrade.
That leaves us with Sheamus, Randy Orton, Kane, and Alberto Del Rio.
Del Rio is not an entertaining figure; his promos are witty at times, but that's about it.
I don't like Sheamus as a face; plus he already has one title. Unless they turned him into a heel and gave him these three titles plus the vacant IC title, (which was never gonna happen), I don't want him as champ.
Randy Orton and Kane as champ would mean even more screen time going to The Authority (and their repetitive promos that make Cena's promos feel fresh as a just-plucked apple), and there is nothing I'd hate to see more than that.
That leaves us with one guy- John Cena. Yes, he was the best option, and now I'm happy.
But if he buries Seth Rollins, I'm gonna be mad. lol
 
Putting the title back on cena (making him undeniably the face of the company) was the right business decision. WWE is a public company and the real future hinges on the success of WWE network. With the losses they're taking right now - they need to do everything possible to get revenue flowing. He's the biggest seller of merchandise and never seems to screw up personally.

The business strategy of WWE is obviously to grow talent who can crossover into any media they push them towards. That's the new 'face' of the company. I think that they probably didn't see Daniel Bryan in that light (or Zach Ryder), but obviously not everything works out exactly according to plan. Some talent just become popular organically (bryan, roman reigns) and older talent (the miz, jericho). Other talent they try to do that with and it just doesn't click (HHH, Orton, Big Show). I think Austin and Rock are probably two talents that became bigger than just wrestling very early on -- but obviously Austin wanted to stay grounded in wrestling. Foley is another example of a crossover star (literary).

The US/IC titles are essentially the new 'heavyweight title'. The best 'all-around talent' in and out of the ring that can potentially cross-over. Right now it's centered on people like Cesaro, Wyatt, Barrett, Sheamus. Guys who have the potential to reach that next level. I actually think the tag-team titles if kept on the Uso's could be the same thing - as anyone watching WWE Diva's right now can see that the Uso's are getting over in part because of that show. And that's a good thing.
 
I love how all of these arm chair bookers say things like "it makes no sense" and "if WWE was smart they would..."
All I can I say is THANK GOD none of the aforementioned work for WWE. The only credible person I've heard talk about the Cena title situation is Jim Ross and you know what he said? He said it makes sense, because he can drop the title to a big time heel (like Lesnar) at Summerslam, which will setup some up-and-coming face (like Reigns) to take the title at Wrestlemania. Booking 101.
 
I'm GLAD Cena is champ. And that's coming from someone that doesn't particularly like Cena.

He's a logical champ. The others - either not deserving or not fitting right now. He also deserves to hold the title in its new incarnation.

I'm really glad Cena is champ, and it gives a viable programme now for summerslam, one that makes sense and will go down well with fans. Already, I'm looking forward to summerslam.
 
Someone else made a good point and one I missed, the Network.

Those renewals are coming sooner than you realise and WWE does realise. They are making sure that Summerslam is as loaded as possible by bringing Jericho back, AJ, Batista will be back and if Bryan has more surgery now he may be able to appear if not wrestle as a ref for example.

Summerslam will be totally loaded as a card and Cena as champ vs Brock or more likely trying to regain it from Brock to tie Flair's record (I see him winning it on a RAW before) will make a BIG main event. The only other thing that could have made some sense was Jericho returning the night early to be the 8th man rather than Kane.

I think a lot did change with Barrett's injury. The whole scenario seemed to shift once they KNEW he couldn't compete, Kane's run in was clearly meant to be Barrett winning originally. Had he won then Jericho would have been facing him not Bray and Bray might have gotten the belt.

But as it stands Cena was fine, he did a good job sparring with Trips verbally last night and showed a little "sick of all this shit" which if we're ever gonna get close to heel from him, is the best we will get.
 
Well, you know what's wrong with it? MITB should be a match in which GOOD wrestler wins an it was before Cena. Wwe can make him win anything, just leave MITB alone for gods sake. The thing is Cena absolutely sucks at it, like he does almost nothing, and then comes and wins like really? Last time Cena won MITB i was really surprised, but again? Just stupid.
Um yea i like all these posts with "your" opinions after you read what JR said about it. No Cena wasnt the only choice. Not even close.
I liked how they played his win on Raw after tho, but god he cant go heel because of kids, so he just needs to retire. Too much Raw time wasted already. Like imagine people in the future, they wont waste time watching this Cena c, other wrestlers have interesting segments and matches. Plz retire John, not because you cant do it anymore, but because you are a damn disgrace to wrestling.
 
The Cena haters can whine all they want.... the fact of the matter is that John Cena is one of the biggest stars in wrestling history and he will one day set a new record as having won the most World Championships. As passionate as he is about the business, he deserves to one day accomplish that, he also deserved this win. I'm fine with this even if it is nothing new. I'm a Cena mark and have been for his entire career. Say what you will, but this win made sense. They need a top face to be champion before guys like Seth, Bray, or even Roman Reigns are deemed ready to hold the belt. Bryan sadly had his injury, they needed a back up plan, and Cena was able to take the belt again. Whether this reign lasts past the Fatal Fourway or not remains to be seen, I have no problem with it though. 2 more world titles to go, Cena! You are almost there!
 
Okay, it seems I was not so informed when I posted my original comment (thread).

With Lesnar/SummerSlam coming up, Cena as champ is a smart decision. No one wants to see the other seven get destroyed because it would look like the WWE is trying to remarket Lesnar, where as Cena would make a creditable match. With the return of AJ and Jericho, more doors have been opened, and people are more likely to draw in to see what will happen.

Those 29 other storylines I came up with will just have to sit for another day.
 
I saw this coming from a mile away, but it still annoys me. Cena has no business breaking Flair's record of 16 recognized championships (Flair has 21 overall). Flair worked his ass off for years to get all of those 16 World Titles and dealt with so much shit. Plane crashes, Bischoff, lawsuits, leaving for the WWE and coming back to WCW, etc. Now, I'm not saying that Cena doesn't work hard for all of his accomplishments because he has. But, Cena is not the greatest WWE Champion of all time (Yes, I'm talking to you, Michael Cole and Vince McMahon, who told Cole to say that). Here's nowhere NEAR Hogan, Austin, Rock, Benoit, Guerrero, Angle, Taker, Hart, Sammartino, Backlund, Michaels, HHH, Edge, Batista, etc.
 
Personally, I like the thought of a Cena Vs. Lesnar rematch for the title.

Their match at Extreme Rules was good, and while I didn't mind that Cena won that match, I felt the real problem with it was that there was no follow through. A guy like Lesnar would just take a loss from Cena with no answer?

Say what you will about Cena, the guy puts on solid matches and has the star power. I'm digging this main event.
 
I saw this coming from a mile away, but it still annoys me. Cena has no business breaking Flair's record of 16 recognized championships (Flair has 21 overall). Flair worked his ass off for years to get all of those 16 World Titles and dealt with so much shit. Plane crashes, Bischoff, lawsuits, leaving for the WWE and coming back to WCW, etc. Now, I'm not saying that Cena doesn't work hard for all of his accomplishments because he has. But, Cena is not the greatest WWE Champion of all time (Yes, I'm talking to you, Michael Cole and Vince McMahon, who told Cole to say that). Here's nowhere NEAR Hogan, Austin, Rock, Benoit, Guerrero, Angle, Taker, Hart, Sammartino, Backlund, Michaels, HHH, Edge, Batista, etc.
Okay people, I understand people hate Cena's character, hell I do too! But this is stupid >< I don't wanna see him break the record either but this one was necessary WWE needs to book Cena v Lesnar to be as big as possible.

Now for the comment stating "Here's nowhere NEAR Hogan, Austin, Rock, Benoit, Guerrero, Angle, Taker, Hart, Sammartino, Backlund, Michaels, HHH, Edge, Batista, etc."
Benoit had one title reign? That lasted 5 months right? So if that constitutes a good title reign...then Sheamus has a better title reign? What about Kane...when he had it 2010? Well you can argue that the WWE title is more prestigious if you don't like that, so ignore Benoit from the list...

Guerrero had his one title reign for 133 days...which is shorter than...the internets favorite the Miz's title reign! So that means the Miz is a better world champion than Cena too right?

Now if you wanna look at time holding the belt overall, Cena is #4 in the overall list behind: Sammartino, Hogan and Backlund....Cena has held the title for about 1200 days...if you add in the WH title that's another 150 days.

But okay if you have 15 title reigns odds are you'll have quite a time with the title...of course so let's look at the first few reigns....first one was 280 days. He lost it, won it back held it for 133 days. Cena followed that up by holding it for 380 days in 2006. So his first 3 WWE title reigns were 793 days >.< so fine argue that he doesn't deserve to be labeled a great, but if we're talking about the World titles...Cena is up there! I hate his character too but come on he's #4 on the all time list -.-

Plus if you look at the time period...Hogan's massive title reigns were challenged by who exactly? Andre, Savage and Warrior. The Rock had Stone Cold right there, Taker, Bret, HBK, Foley...all fighting for the title, serious contenders. Now Cena's era...Orton, HHH, Edge, Batista. Point being while I certainly agree that the Rock and Austin's time period for the titles was tougher, Cena pretty much has held the title for 4 of the last 10 years.

Now you can argue about short title reigns, but they're shorter to help build other wrestlers: Edge, Bryan, Del Rio, Sheamus...so why should he be held responsible for that?

I'm not saying he's the best, he never will be...but stop claiming all these guys are better than him in this discussion...he's on a list that can be counted on one hand.
 

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