Jenks' Thoughts on WZ Threads

[JenksIX]

I am creating this thread in order to reply to some of the current trending topics on the main sections of the forum. I'm going to pick out threads that I would like to discuss and post my opinion here. If you want to further discuss the subject after my initial post, it's cool with me.

I'm only going to be discussing existing non-spam threads here.

So let's get to it.

This is a thread from the TNA Section called The Fall of Samoa Joe, by some dude with 8 non-spam posts (Don't you need 10 to create a thread?)

Ok bear with me this is my second thread ive made

so take it easy on me..


so what ive seen in the last year or so is that samoa joe
use to be one of the top guys in tna

but in the last few months hes been in that useless feud with the pope

now it seems there mixing two feuds together joe/pope and bully ray/devon

i miss the days of hearing (Joes gonna kill you)
he seems so weak now

Is there anything left for joe other than being a filler now?

wasn`t he fighting for the tna world title a few years ago?
He was the nation of violence

Now it doesnt even matter if hes around or not i dont seem to notice him anymore..


Your Thoughts?

I think Joe's future rests in the mid card and I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up in ROH or Japan within the next two years.

Joe's going to be thirty-two in a month and he's not really one of the "young" guys anymore. He's been in TNA going on six years now and held the TNA World title for six months.

I've never seen the attraction with Joe. I've heard he's got a very stiff style, I personally would hate being in the ring with a 300 lber who has the reputation of being "stiff." But I guess that's what drew fans too Joe in the first place, his in-ring style looked convincing.

What it all comes down to is that Joe isn't marketable. Or at least, TNA aren't capable of making Joe marketable. If Joe went to WWE, who knows what they could do with him. I just don't think there is much appeal to Joe nationally. He's barely 6'0 tall and probably around 300 pounds. Yokozuna, Rikishi, and Umaga were all the same height and taller and out weigh Joe by 100 pounds. It's almost like he's not fat enough to be marketable.

And guys like Bam Bam Bigelow and Vader are a good bit taller.

If Joe could talk on the mic, it'd be a different story. But Joe can't talk.
Everyone keeps trying to find a reason for why The Pope/Joe feud isn't any good, may be it's because of the wrestlers. You would think at least they could make it look good in the ring, but there matches are boring. How can you blame anyone else but those two for the match being boring?

TNA gave Joe the push and the opportunity(6 month world title reign), he might have even the done the best he could do with it, some people just don't have "it."

Joe's a complete product of the smarks. He panders to them way too much and it has made him look unprofessional in the past.

I never see Joe being signed by the WWE or winning another TNA World title.
His role from here on out is that of a supporting character. TNA's best bet is to probably put him back in the X Division, though I've heard his in-ring style is not what it once was, as Joe has put on weight the last few years.

I've never been a fan of Joe's and I believe the majority of TNA's audience are indifferent toward him.

 

[JenksIX]

#2

WWE Section
Thread: I don't think the problem is that WWE doesn't have any "talkers", so much that most...

of them are the SAME type of talkers on the MIC

Chris Jericho, CM Punk, Wade Barrett, even Randy Orton as a heel or face, all of them talk with the same calculating, articulate delivery. Preachy, at times

So when a guy like The ROck comes back in, and goes off, yes its great anyway cuz hes the rock, but i believe it stands out more because the only current WWE regular on the roster who is similar even to the slightest......... is John Cena

One of the reasons why HHH as been missed, he kinda has the ability to do both promo styles. There isnt' a problem with the product for WWE, IMO, so much as the lack of great mic workers who come off eradiate so much charisma and energy. Alberto Del Rio could be on his way in that regard, which is probably one of the reasons why hes been given such a substantial push.

Yeah, I agree with you Maverick(who will probably never see this reply.)
Guys like Jericho, Punk, Orton, Barrett ... they have a very slow, calm type delivery.

Jericho wasn't always like this. Jericho use to be the ayatollah of Rock n' Rolla. He was Y2J, he was a guy who could go tit for tat with The Rock and they worked well together. Now Jericho's mic skills are shell of what they once were. Before he left, he'd come out and pretty much say the same thing every time and in a very slow, dull manner. "I ... am ... the best ... in the ... world ... at what I do." Sometimes The Miz does the same thing when he's trying to make a point and it kind of sounds like he's dozing off to sleep.

But back to Jericho. Jericho use to have amazing mic skills and use to be a really fun character, remember Ralpus? But Jericho has aged and really doesn't have the hunger he once did and why should he? He's made his bread and accomplished pretty much all their is to have accomplished.

It doesn't seem like Jericho has lost a step, because of the performance of his current peers. Guys like Punk, Barrett, Sheamus, Orton, I think they have varying degrees of mic skills but they all share the ability to be convincing on the mic, because they are confident.

Orton is convincing because he has a mean-ass, Freddy Kreuger looking face and is a total dick of a human being.

Anyway, though they have confidence and can speak articulately, they really don't bring much to the table as far as catch phrases, unique deliveries, or anything interesting in general. May be this would be different if the show wasn't PG.

Another great point you made was that Triple H can be versatile on the mic.
This is true. I've never been a fan of Triple H's, but he was an important part of the Attitude Era, who could forget his role as "The Crock."

Triple H has the luxury of going out there and say what he wants and however he wants because he's banging the bosses daughter and is the father of the bosses grand kids. I can't stand when he makes a statement breaking kayfabe.

Anyway, my point with this is that he's like the only guy who is allowed to make Cena look stupid, until The Rock came back.

It's not really a level playing field in WWE. No one can sound funnier then Cena and no one is allowed to make HHH/Cena look stupid.

As for guys with potential on the mic, I see potential in Del Rio as well. I also like how Riley is on the mic, he gets into character and really brings it too ya. I think what is really lacking is depth, the mic skill aren't so bad, but nothing being said is of interest like it use to be.

I also think it has to do with how everything is being booked and peoples characters. If you have a gimmick now a days, you look like a mental patient.

Alex Riley, Wade Barrett, Cody Rhodes, Ted Dibiase, Randy Orton(ordinary suburban names ...)

I mean you have unique names like Santino, Sheamus, The Miz, R-Truth.
But there is just no imagination behind it anymore. No one wears face paint (Demolition, Legion of Doom, Sting, Warrior, Doink The Clown) No one wears masks but Rey (All the luchadors, Kane, Mankind, Vader.)

So I think your right, it's not so much the mic skills are lacking, I think it's more a problem that you can't get a decent storyline unless your name is Cena, Orton, HHH or whoever is the Smackdown Champion that month.
When was the last time we heard a good promo from the Tag Team Champions? Everyone on the roster is used to benefit the top guys in some way (Yoshi Tatsu gets beat up by Nexus, John Cena must avenge him since he's the only one that can fight them since everyone else is a pussy, except Orton who has to handle The Miz/Riley/Cole.)

You'd just like to see some crazy bastard come out and start talking like Dusty Rhodes or Ric Flair... but not impersonating them.

 

[JenksIX]

#3

General Wrestling Discussion
Thread:Finishers That Should Have Stayed

Yes, another finisher based thread, but I haven't seen this one around so hear me out.

Ok, I was watching a match this week with Edge and Orton vs Ziggler and Miz on Smackdown, and I saw Edge pull out his old DDT variation. I've seen him use it a few times recently, and I thought back to 2002, when that move, first labelled the Buzzkiller, then later the Edgecution, was Edge's finisher. I think at one point he had that and the Spear as dual finishers. Now though, its just one of his moves in his arsenal. Thinking on this point, I was thinking to myself "I like the spear, but against bigger guys (of anyone bigger than him, actually) it just looks unrealistic. I wish Edge still used that DDT to finish matches too."

So my question is, have there been any finishers that superstars have stopped using that you wish they didn't? Or are there any finishers that have been relegated to normal moves that you disagree with?
And why?

Firstly, I'd like to say that I hate that Edge uses and has become synonymous with the spear. Goldberg was the pioneer of the spear and the best at it, in my opinion. Behind Goldberg, I'd have to go with Rhyno's spear and at least he re-named his the Gore.

Goldberg and Rhino are both beefy men and their spears came off the most convincing. You expect someone using the spear to be built like a linebacker, not a guard in basketball. Edge is is this lanky guy, he doesn't even really get much speed on his spear and when he hits the spear he kind of just drives the guy into the mat, where as Rhyno spears a guy and they do a sommersault.

Also, how many moves does Edge need? He started out with the Downward Spiral, he also had the Electric Chair Drop, I think he picked up the Edgecution from Gangrel, he did the Killswitch recently and has also used the Sharpshooter, and yet his finisher is the spear. He uses to many moves that could easily be finishers in my opinion, and then uses a finisher that doesn't fit him.


As for the moves that have stopped - I really think Matt Morgan and a guy like Jackson Andrews should use a jack-knife style power bomb. I also liked Raven's Even Flow DDT. I don't know when they will be passed on (especially The Rock's) but I am interested to see who the next handler's of The Stunner and Rockbottom will be. Unless those moves are retired like a number in baseball. I doubt we'll see another person use the Atomic Leg Drop as a finisher.

It'd be nice to see submission moves used again. The Texas Cloverleaf, The original Lion Tamer, Figure Four leg lock (loved how Bret Hart use to do it off the ring post.)

As for finishers being relegated to normal moves, the only time that annoys me is with guys in TNA and ROH. I hate when those guys use finisher style moves like they're nothing. I once saw James Storm get super kicked and then Super kick the guy right back. But yeah, I hate to see the super kick used regulary, I know Generation Me used Mr Anderson's Green Bay Plunge like it was nothing.

Anyway, there are a lot of moves I'd like to see brought back as non of the new WWE guys really have amazing finishers. I'd especially like to see more submission finishers.

 

[JenksIX]

#4

WWE Section
Thread: Is WWE booking that predictable?

I remember a discussion from about two months ago about who the Undertaker will face at Wrestlemania, and my idea was that Triple H would start a feud with the Undertaker and his reason would be to have revenge on Taker because he ended his best friends career. And after I read that WWE are planning on having that feud happen (maybe not exactly the same way, but among the same lines), I asked myself, am I sidekick or is the booking too predictable, and I wouldn't put money on me being sidekick (even tho I guessed the ammount of jelly beans in a jar and won 50 pounds/about 80 dollars? Don't know how the currencies are at the moment).

So my question is this, is wwe booking that predictable, or did I have a lucky guess?

On a side note, I'm guessing that 2.21.11 will be the return of The Game, my reasons would be:
1)WWE want everything to be a suprise
2)The Undertaker is still a SmackDown wrestler (sorry Vince, superstar)

I think The Game will return on 2/21 as well, if things are the way you say they are, The Game has to call out The Undertaker, not vice versa.

And yes, WWE booking is very predictable. The reason I think it's predictable is because you always know which guys are going to get the most air-time and the main event matches. If Cena/Orton/HHH are on the card, their matches will always be Mainevent or near it.

WWE has invested way more in Cena/Orton then anyone else and because of it, those guys have major clout. They probably have more clout then Undertaker at this point, being that they are still in their prime. Cena has feuded with Sheamus and Wade Barrett recently, look where they are now.
The same happened to Kofi Kingston after he feuded with Randy Orton.

Whether it's keeping guys down, not putting them over, or just the new going inabilities to stand out ... nothing much ever changes in WWE.
Look at the way Jericho and Edge were used on RAW during the time of Summer Slam, they just kept backing out of fights so that Cena/Orton could look strong against multiple men(WWE vs Nexus feud.)

This was meant to be a quick post so I'll just wrap it up by saying this. There is a number of reasons why things are predictable, PG rating is one of them.

Things is WWE now a days are just too calculated. Everything has to be approved a 100 times before it goes on the air. WWE is playing it safe. Every important match/storyline/segment has to involve a proven draw/veteran. The Nexus, The Corre, Sheamus, Kofi, Jack Swagger ... those guys will come and go just like the next batch, but Cena/Orton will always remain. Just to much focus on too few wrestlers.

 

[Tech N9ne]

I kind of think Undertaker has more clout than anyone at this point.

 

[JenksIX]

#5

WWE Section
Thread: If you could bring back someone who could last longer then a year?

Ok first off its wrestlers who can still put on a show and could last more then a year, year and a half tops and if needs be can only do TV tapings and PPV's.


For it would be Brock Lesner i would love to see him back in the WWE he was the main guy at the end of 2002 and 2003 he made smackdown fun to watch and the feuds he could have now would be awesome another feud with John Cena, Randy Orton, another one with Undertaker, Mason Ryan(after he reaches the main event) Sheamus and Great Khali


What is your guys thoughts?

Misssssttttteeeer KENNEDY!!!

Let's face it, the WWE wants guys who are good on the mic and it was a mistake letting this guy go - injury prone or not. This guy was given a second opportunity in TNA and has taken full advantage of it. He has won the TNA title once already and I'm betting a second reign is in the near future. He's put on great matches, great promos, and appears to be doing whatever TNA asks of him(company man.) Hell, he even replied to Jerichoholic's request to bash his friend.

Forget a year, this guy could rejoin the roster and be a main stay for over five years easy. I think that Kennedy would bring more then just mic skills with him back to the WWE. He has legit heat with guys like Orton, Cena, HHH and WWE could use it to their advantage. Who wouldn't want to see Orton vs Kennedy (Orton would probably never agree to it, but this is all a pipe dream anyway as Anderson is happy in TNA.) But I think it would benefit WWE to have Kennedy back. Would you rather see Cena/Miz feud end with Cena winning the title and Miz feuding with Sheamus next, or would you rather see the epic mic battle between The Miz and Mr Kennedy?

Mr. Kennedy is an already established figure and has now had the chance to work in another company with the likes of Kurt Angle, Hulk Hogan, Eric Bischoff, Aj Styles etc and I'm sure he's picked up a thing or two.

I believe the fans would warmly welcome Kennedy back and some would be excited WWE took one of TNA's most valuable pieces.

.... KENNEDY!

 

[JenksIX]

#6

Wrestling Spam Zone
Thread: What happened to the future promotion in Florida?

Well back in the summer of 2010, (I think) They were talks of a new promotion being funded by the owner of the mets I think? Forgot, it was some Baseball team. They said they already had Vader, Sean Waltman, and more. They were planning to open by December? But its February, and we haven't heard of it ever since. What ever happened to it?

Yeah, I was thinking about that group recently. All of it's hyped apparently died down after TNA revealed "THEY" on 10/10/10.

The Wilpon family, who own the New York Mets, are reportedly interested in getting into the wrestling business.

Wrestlezone is reporting that the family has made some pretty big strides in their attempt at getting in, at this point collecting such names as Sean Waltman, Scott Steiner, Shane Douglas, Larry Zbyszko, and even Vader.

This so-called start-up group of the Wilpon family has supposedly already signed these names to contracts, and has approached some unnamed Ring of Honor wrestlers. It’s also being said that the group has interest in some “disgruntled” TNA workers.

Chris Jericho has also supposedly been contacted through “mutual friends.”

Right now, the Wilpons are up shit's creek in legal cases tied to Bernie Madoff. It seems pretty apparent that, being the business savy men that they were, they had to know Madoff was doing something fraudulent. This doesn't mean they knew he was involved in a ponzi scheme though. They had been investing with Madoff since 1980.

The GM Sandy Alderson recently told the media that the Met's current payroll was 145 million and that it was substantially higher then they want it to be(It is already lower then teams such as the Yankees, Phillies, Red Sox and other upper echelon teams.) The Mets have also been shopping to find a minority owner who would buy a quarter of the team. Point being, the Met's have some big time money troubles and that is probably part of the reason this "Wilpon Wrestling Group" never got up and running.

The other part of the reason might have something to do with putting guys like "X-pac" on the Board of Directors. They clearly did not know what they were doing. If I remember correctly, it was going to be like a reality show for older wrestlers, to take a look at what their daily lives were like and they were hoping that if it were successful, they could use the appeal to create a full-blown company or wrestling product.

The reason Vader was signed was because his son is supposedly a "can't miss" type of wrestler with a ton of potential.

Any who, the Wilpon's financial situation is awful at the moment and the project has probably been aborted. Scott Steiner is already back in TNA.

Was very interesting when it was first reported though. Jeff Jarrett posted a twitter about signing a "non-disclosure" agreement and people were speculating the Wilpon Group bought in as partner's with TNA (this was during the first "They" angle) and more money was going to be put into it, but I think it turned out Jarrett's daughter were in some Taylor Swift music video.

We got worked.

 

[The Crock]

#2

WWE Section
Thread: I don't think the problem is that WWE doesn't have any "talkers", so much that most...


Yeah, I agree with you Maverick(who will probably never see this reply.)
Guys like Jericho, Punk, Orton, Barrett ... they have a very slow, calm type delivery.

Jericho wasn't always like this. Jericho use to be the ayatollah of Rock n' Rolla. He was Y2J, he was a guy who could go tit for tat with The Rock and they worked well together. Now Jericho's mic skills are shell of what they once were. Before he left, he'd come out and pretty much say the same thing every time and in a very slow, dull manner. "I ... am ... the best ... in the ... world ... at what I do." Sometimes The Miz does the same thing when he's trying to make a point and it kind of sounds like he's dozing off to sleep.

But back to Jericho. Jericho use to have amazing mic skills and use to be a really fun character, remember Ralpus? But Jericho has aged and really doesn't have the hunger he once did and why should he? He's made his bread and accomplished pretty much all their is to have accomplished.

It doesn't seem like Jericho has lost a step, because of the performance of his current peers. Guys like Punk, Barrett, Sheamus, Orton, I think they have varying degrees of mic skills but they all share the ability to be convincing on the mic, because they are confident.

Orton is convincing because he has a mean-ass, Freddy Kreuger looking face and is a total dick of a human being.

Anyway, though they have confidence and can speak articulately, they really don't bring much to the table as far as catch phrases, unique deliveries, or anything interesting in general. May be this would be different if the show wasn't PG.

Another great point you made was that Triple H can be versatile on the mic.
This is true. I've never been a fan of Triple H's, but he was an important part of the Attitude Era, who could forget his role as "The Crock."

Triple H has the luxury of going out there and say what he wants and however he wants because he's banging the bosses daughter and is the father of the bosses grand kids. I can't stand when he makes a statement breaking kayfabe.

Anyway, my point with this is that he's like the only guy who is allowed to make Cena look stupid, until The Rock came back.

It's not really a level playing field in WWE. No one can sound funnier then Cena and no one is allowed to make HHH/Cena look stupid.

As for guys with potential on the mic, I see potential in Del Rio as well. I also like how Riley is on the mic, he gets into character and really brings it too ya. I think what is really lacking is depth, the mic skill aren't so bad, but nothing being said is of interest like it use to be.

I also think it has to do with how everything is being booked and peoples characters. If you have a gimmick now a days, you look like a mental patient.

Alex Riley, Wade Barrett, Cody Rhodes, Ted Dibiase, Randy Orton(ordinary suburban names ...)

I mean you have unique names like Santino, Sheamus, The Miz, R-Truth.
But there is just no imagination behind it anymore. No one wears face paint (Demolition, Legion of Doom, Sting, Warrior, Doink The Clown) No one wears masks but Rey (All the luchadors, Kane, Mankind, Vader.)

So I think your right, it's not so much the mic skills are lacking, I think it's more a problem that you can't get a decent storyline unless your name is Cena, Orton, HHH or whoever is the Smackdown Champion that month.
When was the last time we heard a good promo from the Tag Team Champions? Everyone on the roster is used to benefit the top guys in some way (Yoshi Tatsu gets beat up by Nexus, John Cena must avenge him since he's the only one that can fight them since everyone else is a pussy, except Orton who has to handle The Miz/Riley/Cole.)

You'd just like to see some crazy bastard come out and start talking like Dusty Rhodes or Ric Flair... but not impersonating them.

Yes?

 

[Final Form Snyper.]

Don't shit on him for trying to stay active with relevant topics.

 

[JenksIX]

#7

TNA Section
Thread: Mr. Anderson: Modern Day Stone Cold?

DO YOU THINK THAT MR. ANDERSON HAS BECOME A MODERN-DAY STEVE AUSTIN?

EXPLAIN, DISCUSS, TEAR ME A NEW ONE JUST FOR SAYING SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IT'S ALL GOOD.
OVER TO YOU!

I think WWE and TNA officials have tried to mold Mr. Anderson after Steve Austin. Anderson's favorite wrestler was Austin and this was when Anderson was like 20 years old. So I'm sure there are bound to be similarities. But not only with Austin ...

While I've watched Mr. Anderson's career in TNA, I've noticed he sometimes displays a throw back style. I see a lot of Roddy Piper in Anderson (Average sized guy in blue trunks that lets his mouth get him into sticky situations.)
Anderson's in-ring work isn't much like Austin's. Austin probably never sold like Anderson does. Anderson almost goes beyond selling, this is something I think Piper would do. Anderson reminds me of Piper in that he's kind of silly in the ring. You can tell both men are having fun in the ring and have great ring psychology, where as Austin was all about brawling and he was especially stiff at that, resembling that of a Stan Hansen.

Anyway, I can see similarities between Austin, Piper, and The Rock to name a few. And then, there is also stuff which is strictly Anderson's. Anderson is steadfast in supporting where he came from -- Green Bay, Wisconsin. Also, he's probably the most recognized "Mr." of the wrestling world.

I don't think Anderson is a modern day Stone Cold, I just think he's Mr. Anderson and that's all he needs to be. TNA needs a savior the way WWF needed a savior when WCW was kicking their ass in ratings and right now it appears like Anderson is one of the guys who could help his new company compete with his old company the way Austin did, in that regard, I can only hope Anderson can become a modern day Austin, although, I'm not quick to hold one man responsible for a change such as that since WWF had a lot of "unsung" talent at the time.

Anyway, I can see the similarities in Anderson/Austin but I can see the same amount in other past performers as well. I think Anderson has a long way to go before accomplishing what his predecessors have, but hopefully it will be a fun journey for him and the fans and one day we will be talking about what Mr. Anderson did for TNA wrestling.

 

[JenksIX]

#8

WWE Section
Thread: how good is john morrison?

I PERSONALLY WANTED MORRISON TO WIN TONIGHT. HE DESERVES IT AND AFTER TONIGHT ALL I CAN SAY IS WOW. WOW...... HE WAS CRAZY TONIGHT. HE HAS SO MUCH ABILITY AND HAS SHOWN FOR A WHILE NOW THAT HE HAS BEEN ONE OF THE HARDEST WORKING SUPERSTARS OUT THERE. HOW GOOD DO YOU THINK HE IS? I THINK HE IS CHAMPIONSHIP MATERIAL TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH

Why are you screaming? I need to start finding threads by reputable posters, though this guy poses a good question.

How good is John Morrison? Well, if your talking about acrobatically, he's very good. If your talking brawling wise, he needs work. If your talking technically, he needs work as well. And if your talking about mic skills, he needs work there as well.

Morrison is no doubt an amazing athlete. He's proven the past few PPV's, that he can do incredible things, but that doesn't mean he's championship worthy or that he's a proven draw etc.

I recently made a thread this week about what I think Jomo needs, to help get ahead. I think he needs wider foot wear, possibly shin guard type leg attire some wrestlers wear. The small boots with furry sleeves hanging off his pants do not seem to be helping this guy propel into the main event.

Anyway, Jomo really did excite me tonight. He must have some incredible hand eye coordination to pull of the stunts he does, because he could of easily messed them up (jumping from one place to another.) And as good as Jomo is, when is the last time we heard him on the mic?

I think this past week, we realized how important it is to be on the mic, and yet, I can't remember the last time I've heard Jomo on a live RAW mic. If Jomo is going to become a World Champion, he needs to tighten up his mic skills and have something interesting to say.

Lastly, it's a good thing that WWE has this guy either way. Whether he's being pushed by WWE or not, he puts on a good show and has really proven
lately that he wants to be challenged and so on. I see only good for him in the future.

 

[JenksIX]

#9

TNA Section
Thread: Should Fans Boycott TNA iMPACT!?

With the NFL draft coming up and NFLPA members telling the draft picks they should boycott the draft, I began wondering if fans should do the same tonight when TNA Impact goes on air. With what can only be labeled as a "criminal act" in the robbery of fan's hard earned money for those who paid to see Victory Road both live in the arena and via Pay Per View, I am wondering if the fans should show and voice their disappointment with a company that keeps heading more south than LeBron James taking his "talents to South Beach", by simply blacking out tonight's edition of Impact regardless of what happens?

It's obvious that the higher ups in TNA could care less about the fans, even if this assumption is slightly true, given the fact that they allowed an obviously impaired Jeff Hardy to continue to main event last Sunday despite risking both his safety but the safety of others. It's also obvious to some degree that TNA doesn't too much care about where its product is going moving forward, if they allow Hardy to still be on the roster post that debacle last Sunday. The fans have a voice, and they can choose to either call their cable companies demanding cash back, post threads online where everyone airs out how they feel OR they can simply NOT tune into Impact tonight and let TNA management watch as their ratings take a severe nosedive.

I'm not demanding that fans do this, I am simply asking WILL YOU? Will YOU show TNA that either they turn this ship around ASAP or YOU will continue to NOT watch TNA for weeks upon weeks at a time? Will TNA FINALLY get the message that it's about the FANS and what the FANS want when they see said fans are no longer watching their program? Since TNA cares more about ratings (and I have to wonder if even THAT'S true) then will they care when they see those ratings slip on by the wayside? Will you boycott this week's edition of Impact? Something has to happen and maybe my suggestion will set the ball in motion. I know I'm sitting this one out, what about you?

I will be watching this weeks Impact. I also did not pay to watch the PPV, so I can understand why those fans would be mad.

But I don't think a boycott will help a company like TNA, if people were to boycott WWE, it could help WWE, but not TNA. I think a boycott would just put TNA out of business because they would not be able to recover from it and it's not like they have a decent track record to begin with.

I think TNA is trying to give the fans what they want, but neither the fans or TNA know what they want. On paper, signing Jeff Hardy was a good idea. He was as over as anybody in WWE and appeared to be a good draw with good merchandise sales.

It seems no matter what TNA does, it can never win. Maybe TNA needs some of that tiger blood Charlie Sheen's been hittin.' I always hear "TNA's roster is so talented" but yet when all of their "originals" are being pushed to some extent, people still aren't happy.

Anyway, TNA is trying and that's why they're not quick to get rid of a talent like Hardy.

Hardy won't be on for at least the next few weeks, but I'm sure people will still complain about TNA. For some reason, people love to hate TNA and criticize it for every little thing.

Anyway, I'm going to watch Impact because I enjoy watching wrestling(entertainment.) If Sting vs Hardy had been a decent match, I would have enjoyed the PPV, I mean I wanted Sting to win anyway.

Hopefully, with Hardy's absense, the storyline changes up a little bit and appeases the masses of fans(for whatever they're looking for.)
It almost sounds like they want blood. "FIRE HOGAN, FIRE RUSSO, FIRE BISCHOFF, GET RID OF DIXIE LET VINCE BUY TNA."

So yeah, I don't think a boycott would do any good.

Maybe it's all psychological. As long as TNA's getting 1.5 and below ratings and isn't selling out arenas, it will always suck and people will always find fault with it because it's an easy target. Where as, if WWE had a 3.9 rating and a sold out arena, and the show only gave you 20 minutes of wrestling and a 15 minute promo via satellite, people would not complain because they wouldn't want to challenge the numbers.

 

[JenksIX]

#10

Cigar Lounge
Thread: Do you believe it's "right" for a man to hit a woman when the situation is appropriate? My answers are in bold.

-Do you believe it's "right" for a man to hit a woman when the situation is appropriate? Yes. If a woman is attacking you(or another) with a lethal weapon, go ahead and drill her in the mouth. If a woman is attacking me with her hands, I would most likely grab her to neutralize her or choke her out(depending on the severity.)

-Do you believe that there is a double standard in Western society when it comes to abuse? Hmm. I want to say no, but I'm not sure if I understand the question well enough. I think male abuse is far more prevalent, dangerous and possible then female abuse. If a woman attacks a man, she can be arrested (just like a man.) I also think women are much more likely to fear a man then a man ever fearing a woman. Women almost seem like they like being fearful and owned by a man.

-Do you feel that a man should be able to defend himself from female attackers that may or may not cause slight to moderate injuries?Yes, if you cover up you should be fine. When it's hand to hand, I don't think a man should throw a punch. Much more suitable ways to handle it first, if you get kicked in the balls though, all bets are off. You also have to watch for scratching. If their are multiple women, you probably will have to start reigning blows down upon them as things escalate.

-Finally, do you believe that woman-on-man abuse should be taken more seriously law enforcement as well as society as a whole? Not the physical abuse, but the mental abuse, yes. Women are warped in the head and they love pushing mens bottons, something should be done about that. But I don't know how law enforcement can handle it, I'm sure there are ways. So yes, I think mental abuse by women should be taking more seriously, but not physical abuse.

 

[JenksIX]

#11

MMA and Boxing
Thread: Jones' next opponent

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/3/20...ns-is-official

Is none other than Rashad Evans

Yes it's true people, after Jon won his first Ufc title last night Dana White told the world he would be facing Rashad Evans. Really no suprise as Jon took his spot in that title fight. But put your thoughts in on the matter.

Honestly I believe Jon has a huge hill to climb over with Rashad. Rashad has beaten the best. But on the other hand the man Jon beat last night was considered the best in the world by many. So really it will all just be a matter of can he keep out of the spotlight and train his ass off to prepare for his partner. They both know each other very well, but who knows.[/QUOTE

I don't like this match up. I'm rooting for Rashad, but I'm not sure how likely it is that he can win. Jones just showed how much of a bitch his height and reach advantage was against 6'1 Shogun and now their putting Jones against 5'11 Rashad.

One thing about Rashad though, is that he's shown to have a good chin for the most part and he's defeated bigger guys before. Rashad Evans got into the UFC after winning TUF: Heavyweights. Everyone he faced on the show was considerably bigger. They might not have been the caliber of Jones, but they were all as big and heavier.

The thing I don't like, is that Rashad's former coaches will be training Jones. Who better to train you then your opponents own coach/mentors?

I like Rashad's speed in this fight, but I worry about his cardio. Though from what I saw last night, I don't think Jones cardio is all that great. Not to say that it's bad, but I thinks his maneuvers take a bit out of him.

I caught a glimpse of some of the comments about Jones vs Rashad's wrestling. I just want to point out that Rampage Jackson is a good wrestler (remember, the guy powerbombing people in Pride?) but Jackson prefers to stand up and knock out.

I also still don't consider Jones a knock out artist. Last night his ground and pound is what did the damage. He caught Shogun with two good knees as he was getting up, but Shogun continued to take all the abuse along with having Jones on top of him most of the fight, he was tired. One shot from a guy like Rampage and it's over.

I think Rashad might just have the edge in this fight in striking, but if he gets taken down and ground and pound early, then there's going to be problems. I wonder who he's going to get to coach him? Whoever it is, I'm sure they will work on take down defense and how to counter having a big man on top of you. If Jones can stay from going down, with his speed, I think he can get inside on Jones and land some good shots. Jones standing up does not scare me unless he's spinning or jumping.

I wouldn't be surprised if Rashad had some unorthodox moves of his own planned for this fight.

Rashad Evans is the underdog in this fight, but I wouldn't count him out just yet.

 

[JenksIX]

#12

The Sports Stadium
Thread: Most Important Position in the NBA

With most of the 4 major sports it's easy to come up with what the most important position on the team is and not have much of an argument. In the NFL the most important position is quarterback, in MLB it is starting pitching, and in the NHL it is the goalie. However, when it comes to the NBA there is no clear cut position that is the most important. So I ask you: What is the most important position in the NBA?

At first I guarantee that most people will pick point guard, and that isn't a bad choice. However, when you look at history (especially the last 20 years) teams that win the NBA title don't always have an elite point guard or even a great one. The Lakers championship teams in the 2000's never had an elite point guard. The Bulls dynasty never had an elite point guard, or even a good one for that matter. When the Celtics won a few years ago Rondo was not yet an elite point guard. The Rockets didn't have an elite point guard in their 2 title wins in the mid 90's. Even the Spurs didn't always have one. Avery Johnson was good not great, Tony Parker was no where near elite in the Spurs second title win and he was borderline in the last two. You look at some of the best point guards ever and they have never won a title. John Stockton, Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, Kevin Johnson, Marc Jackson all failed to win an NBA title. It took Gary Payton basically his entire career to win one and when he finally did it was in a back up role well out of his prime.

To me the most important position to an NBA team is the center position. You look at the greatest centers of all time and almost all of them have won an NBA title. Kareem, Wilt, Shaq, Bill Russell, The Dream, Moses Malone, David Robinson, Willis Reed, George Mikan, Bill Walton, the have all won championships. Patrick Ewing and Elgin Baylor are a couple of the exceptions that I can think of off the top of my head. Point guard is obviously a very important position because they handle the ball more then everyone else and the are the facilitator on offense but to me it's easier to win with a sub par point guard then it is with a sub par big man.

It's really a toss up between point guard and center. Having a great one or the other is almost always needed to win a title with the Bulls in the 90's being the exception to the rule. So what position do you got? Point Guard?
Center? Or do you go with one of the other three?

My answer is Center as well. You can always defend against a point guard however good, but dominant big men are almost unstoppable. A lot of teams today have the problem that they are good teams and are capable of scoring, but they have no defense or size, and give up to many rebounds.

The reason the Lakers, Celtics, and Spurs have been successful recently is because they have dominant big men. Other teams can't compete due to lack of size.

John Stockton is considered one of the best point guards of all time and even with Karl Malone, the tandem was never able to win a Championship.
Then again, they had to face Michael Jordan's Bulls both times they went to the finals, though they had many more opportunities then that to even make the finals.

I think it's much easier to get by with an average point guard then an average Center. The 5 is the most important position in the NBA.

 

[Final Form Snyper.]

#10
If their are multiple women, you probably will have to start reigning blows down upon them as things escalate.

Why can't I stop laughing at this!

 

[Final Form Snyper.]

Why can't I stop laughing at this!

Sigged and repped.

 

[JenksIX]

#13

The Cigar Lounge
Thread: IC25's Douchebag of the Week Award

Basically, in Jersey City, this douchebag Martey Williams smiled at the widow of a woman he murdered. Apparently, he found the scars he'd left on the man's son ammusing.

I'd have been pushed to me breaking point as well. I'd have tried to unholster a gun from a guard and take the fucker out myself, especially considering his lack of remorse, coupled with the fact that he'll be eligible to get out of prison in 40 years because of his guilty plea, make him a sectionof the gene pool in desparate need of chlorine.

The man who lunged at Williams - the same man whose wife is dead and family is torn apart - was held and charged with contempt of court. Reyes, the man held in contempt, spent 4 hours in the lockup, and that was the extent of the punishment, but still - I'd truly have struggled with the concept of the man being punished for losing it in a courtroom when the thug who murdered his 27-year old wife smiled.

What are your thoughts on this story, and do you think Reyes should have been charged with contempt? And should Williams be facng any penalty less than life in prison without the possibility of parole?

The story is pretty sickening. It says he faces up to 40 years in prison so that would mean he could see parole how soon? I think it should be atleast 40 years or whenever he's suppose to turn about 80 years old. He's suppose to be "insane" so the chances of him surviving prison and not dying before hand are slim.

As for the husband, I can't blame him for what he did. I don't think contempt of court if it's just a 4 hour stay is that bad. If it were some undetermined amount of time and he could of ended up staying there over night or for days, then that's a different story. I don't really have a problem with the 4 hours, just for the safety of the man and others. He was probably just in a holding cell with a television outside by the guard. It's kind of unfair, but we all have to play by the rules. I can see where both parties were coming from. As a judge, my heart would of gone out to the guy and I would of considered his emotions(I can't even begin to imagine what he must feel) as well as the safety of everyone involved.

Just a sad story all around.

 

[gd]

Good work in here Jenks, you should be the next one freed from prison!

 

[FSWWE]

100x better than J4L!!!

 

[JenksIX]

One thing I've recently found that I hate about the prison, is that my brain is going too mush. Sometimes I read non-spam posts and want to become a more intelligent writer, but there isn't all that much intelligence to bounce around in the prison as no one aside from prisoners post well thought out non-spam much.

Yesterday, I was reading kb's take on Taz as a commentator, and it's the same with his reviews, that he knows what a commentator is suppose to say.

In 2003 he's talking about having similar injuries to a returning wrestler, he's analyzing matches and calling out tiny intricacies in moves that make them different or work on a specific area.

If that were me, I could not tell you what does or doesn't make a commentator or good or bad. If you asked me to described Taz, Tenay, Cole, Lawler etc it would come down to either "he's good" "he's bad" or "he's better then nothing." I'd like to be able to better articulate and express myself when writing and know the basic principles.

Like when I right, I'm just using basic reasoning. I quite liked this post by Gelgarin on the show Game Of Thrones, just on the writing alone. I could never go into this much detail and it's almost like I'm a blind man compared to this sort of insight. I don't understand the ins and outs of things as much as I'd like when it comes to shows, movies, relationships, music, etc. To me, everything just is what it is and either like it or I don't. I think the term for that is that I'm a romantic as opposed to a classic. (i.e. A romantic likes a motorcycle for the look of it, or the sound of it, or the speed that it goes where as a Classic knows every inch of the bike and can break down every duty each mechanism has, how it's suppose to work, and how to fix it.)

I watched it; quite liked it. I had a few major problems though.

For one, the writing is not great, especially in the opening episodes. Now to a certain extent this is fair enough; with a franchise such as Game of Thrones the amount of lore that has to be imparted to the viewer in order for them to understand the show is crushing, and it is inevitable that the series will fall into exposition from time to time. That being said; there is such a thing as doing this well, and oftentimes Game of Thrones does not accomplish this. Frequently (specially as I said in the earlier episodes) you will find characters participating in a dialog that blatantly serves no function other than to educate the audience. Exposition should be woven into the narrative, and when it causes the narrative to grind to a halt it is a sign of poor writing.

The other sign of poor writing is how one dimensional many of the characters seem. This is particularly prevalent with the antagonists, none of whom seem able to complete a scene without acting like a transparently evil cuntsack to everybody they encounter. Jaime Lannister, Viserys Targaryen and Joffrey Baratheon are the most obvious examples of this, none of them displaying anything resembling a redeeming feature at any point during the show. The only character presented as a major antagonist who displays any level of depth is Cersei Baratheon, and she only becomes interesting after the writer decided to start shamelessly plagiarizing The Lion in Winter when it comes to her relationship with the king.

All of that could be overlooked, but the thing that really pissed me off about the franchise was the pathetic, childish attempt at maturity the show took. Every Single female character who appears on the screen appears to be engaged in a contest of "who can get their tits out the fastest". When there isn't a female lead on screen the show tends to randomly throw ****es at the viewer just so that the twelve year olds have something to jerk off over. It's like in the Sopranos where they would always stage scenes in that strip-club, with topless women permanently on display. However; whilst the Sopranos was doing it to make a point about the objectification of women, game of thrones is just doing it for the sake of objectifying women (I think the show believes it is being erotic, although how anybody not aged fifteen and under could find that erotic is beyond me), and as a result makes me feel shifty for viewing it.

The pretense at maturity isn't limited to the gratuitous tits. Characters constantly swear at one another in completely inappropriate situations for no other reason that maintaining the mature tone of dialog.
Then there's the gore; like tits and vulgarity, gore is fine when it's properly used, and GoT misses the mark by quite some way. The graphic violence isn't shocking, and it's not presented so as to make it appear horrific or to engender an emotional response from the audience, it is doing what horror movies do, and simply trying to present graphic violence as cool, once again feeding into the fifteen year old male demographic.

Like I said, I actually liked most of the show; but it's the more immature piece of television I've watched all year. Which is a shame, because underneath all of my bitching there's some really good television there. The characters may be shallow, but most of them are at least entertaining. The story is rich and complex. The world is well built and there is more than enough happening across all parts of it to keep you interested. The first season concluded with three major plot threads that have me legitimately interested to see where they go, whilst most shows struggle to maintain one.

I'll probably watch the next season and enjoy it.
I just with the show didn't have to constantly market itself towards the lowest possible denominator.-Gelgarin

I miss the intellectual outlet of the main board, which is why I'm going to be responding more to those post in here, just for the sake of my own education heh. It's kind of a bitch, so I might just put down a quote and a name so I can do more of them.

Might even consider doing RPs of some type for the hell of it, just to exercise my creative muscle which has become obese, although almost non-existent might be a better term

Beginning to regret not paying attention in class and skating through school.

 

[Mr. Artistic guy]

When it comes to commentators I've always thought for a play-by-play guy you have to be clearly passionate, know the business well (the moves, the competition, wrestlers back stories etc...), and mostly neutral and fair. Give the bad guys there dues as performers but criticize their tactics whilst commending the good guys for their audacity and tenacity and the like.

For a heel or color commentator, the ability to turn anything a heel does into a justified action successfully is something very important. Literally bringing the colour to the table, the attitude and personality is also significant, hence why Dust Rhodes, Ventura, Macho Man and Roddy Piper amongst others made good color guys, they build on the foundation of good play by play commentary. The decoration on the cake, if you weel.

And for both, two important futures are being articulate (think someone like Bobby Heenan, good vocabulary, never stumbled on a word). The second is originality (J.R. phrases, Lawler's puppies, even Joey Styles' 'Oh My Gawd' is sort of iconic). One of the reasons I rank Cole as a poor play by play guy is his lack of knowledge of the business, for examples various wrestling holds and manoeuvres, and his lack of articulation.

That's it, that's as far as I go for intelligent discussion for now.

 

[JenksIX]

When it comes to commentators I've always thought for a play-by-play guy you have to be clearly passionate, know the business well (the moves, the competition, wrestlers back stories etc...), and mostly neutral and fair. Give the bad guys there dues as performers but criticize their tactics whilst commending the good guys for their audacity and tenacity and the like.

For a heel or color commentator, the ability to turn anything a heel does into a justified action successfully is something very important. Literally bringing the colour to the table, the attitude and personality is also significant, hence why Dust Rhodes, Ventura, Macho Man and Roddy Piper amongst others made good color guys, they build on the foundation of good play by play commentary. The decoration on the cake, if you weel.

And for both, two important futures are being articulate (think someone like Bobby Heenan, good vocabulary, never stumbled on a word). The second is originality (J.R. phrases, Lawler's puppies, even Joey Styles' 'Oh My Gawd' is sort of iconic). One of the reasons I rank Cole as a poor play by play guy is his lack of knowledge of the business, for examples various wrestling holds and manoeuvres, and his lack of articulation.

That's it, that's as far as I go for intelligent discussion for now.

Yep, agree with you on all of that. It's funny how you deemed that an intelligent discussion as I find your posts always seem to be intelligent and well written.

Brits seem to be better writers on the whole from what I've seen. Is the UK known for having good schools? In America, our public schools are known for being piss poor, though I find they teach more appropriate subjects, subjects that will help them adapt/advance in the job field.

 

[Jackiz Kirey1]

Nice to see you guys again.

 

[JenksIX]

This Quote is from Jackhammer
"A Not So Shocking Revelation" thread in WWE Section

It really just seems to show that no matter what WWE does, you can't please the internet wrestling community and it's little wonder that they usually don't even try. Christian is involved in a high profile feud that has elevated him to the main event, where many feel he should have been years ago, is the reigning World Heavyweight Champion and is doing some of the best overall work of his entire career. Daniel Bryan wins a match that all but guarantees that he'll be a World Champion in the WWE eventually in what was genuinely shocking. CM Punk is the biggest star in the world at this point, he's also finally been elevated to that next level and is the central figure in the most talked about wrestling storyline, maybe, in years.

There's been excitement, intrigue, genuine surprise, a sense of unpredictability and downright fantastic wrestling action revolving around these three men. What more can anyone even remotely dream of asking for?

Alright, I for one don't consider myself a typical IWC fan, but my perception has changed some what over the past few years due to being among the IWC. The reason I say I'm not a typical IWC fan is because I favor the older and ex-WWE guys in TNA over the younger/TNA originals and in-ring performance doesn't matter to me as much as the average IWC fan, when it comes to TNA or WWE.

Now Punk, Christian, and Bryan are all IWC favorites and as for myself I've been a Punk fan for awhile but like most of my WWE faves, I didn't like how he was being used. I'm not a huge Bryan fan but I think the guy has good upside with the right story. And I have never really cared much for anything Christian has done whether it was WWE or TNA. Anyway, this is what caught my attention about what Jackhammer said so let me answer it.

What more can anyone even remotely dream of asking for?

My problem is that John Cena and Randy Orton are still the #1 Contender's. For the IWC favorites (even though some of them aren't my faves like Christian) to ever matter, they have to go against Orton or Cena. We never get to see Punk vs Bryan as the main event. It has to be Punk vs Cena and Bryan vs Orton. I'm not saying it'd be smart to do otherwise, but I'm just tired of having to see the same people always in the mainevent/getting the most air time.

Christian can never become unglued from Orton while Christian has the title. It's like if anyone new is going to get in the main event, they need Cena or Orton to hold their hand the whole way.

I hate that Punk is still involved in a feud with Cena. Punk's been praising Cena the whole time and has come out and said he didn't even dislike Cena. I hate any feud Cena is in, the same goes for The Rock. He's a feud killer because the whole thing just doesn't come off organically.

If Cena stole someones girlfriend non-kayfabe ala Edge/Hardy, the storyline would portray Cena as the face and the guy who did nothing wrong. And then when a guy feuds with Orton, Orton brings the guy down to Orton's boring level promo/match building wise even though they probably will put on a good match, but nothing trumps the RKO.

Anyway, I just hate that WWE is so strict in their business model that even when we get tastes of something spectacular like Nexus or Punk's speech, or Triple H taking over - Cena and Orton will eventually supercede it.

Everyone talks about Paul Heyman and how he's a genius and they want him booking, well the best way I can describe what I'm saying, is that Heyman would not book WWE the way it's currently being booked. With that being said, I don't know how the mainstream would react, seems like they're so use to the bullshit that they love it.