Is there any point in having Kharma in the diva's division?

[Steve-O-Matt]

You guys will probably hate this idea, but why not have Kharma complete with the gents? I can totally picture that, odds are she can hold her own, so why the heck not? At the moment they're planning a match between her and Beth, but then what? 2 years of her beating up little girls untill she gets released? BOOOORING...

I can see Kharma completing against the men and maybe going for the US and Intercontinental title. If the right training can be applied, dare I say it, one day she might become the first female world cham... Yeah, I'm getting ahead of myself here. But netherless, maybe we can see her becoming US Champion? Who know's?

The only thing I don't want to see is her end up losing REALLY unbelieveably to the other divas, because let's face it, exclusing Beth and Nattie, no one diva will beat her and make it look good.

So, maybe in baby steps she can go up against the guys, maybe become part of a tag team, maybe go for singles titles?

The only thing I don't like about this idea and this is a very minor thing, is that every 5 MINUTES Cole will keep going on abour her being female, not in a sexist way, but he's just gonna keep saying over and over, she's the first female (something) champion. And that's not what I want, I'd like to see her do so well that no one evens sees the gender thing and can grow to see her as an equal to the other guys backstage.

 

[HBsam31]

I found myself thinking about this the other day. I mean she will crush the divas for as long as she can, but then what. Inevitably she will have to lose, and like the OP said, only Beth and Nattie could do it believably. TNA had Taylor Wilde beat her kind of flukey, but I think she then went on to beat her one or two more times, and it was just hard to buy after that. Each time a Diva like Kelly Kelly beat her it would take something away. The thing is I am not sure wrestling the men is the answer either. First off in the era of kid friendly everything would the WWE or the networks want men beating down a woman? Not sure that would fly today. Second I am not sure some of the guys would really want to have to lose to her either. I mean Jericho worked with Chyna, and so did Jarrett, but Jarrett was on his way out, and Jericho hated working with Chyna. For different reasons though, check out his newest book. He explains it all. Maybe if they really took baby steps with it it could work, and I couldn't see it going any higher than a midcard title. Anyway you look at it I think Kharma is going to present a problem for the WWE once the novelty wears off and she blows through everyone. Best case scenario is they actually build the division, and hire some more worthwhile divas. Maybe even just start calling it the women's division again and ditch divas and that ugly belt.

 

[VeryReal1980]

I think Kharma versus the men is a great idea. She can be a champion one day. By defeating mid-carders. But one concern I see is this. What would that accomplish for her or the WWE. A novelty idea and then she will be lost or thrown in lame feuds llike Chyna was. It would be sad because Kharma is a talented wrestler. Look at her matches from Japan on youtube. I hope they dont drop the ball with her. And I really hope they don't copy TNA and make her a tag champ with a lower talent like Erik Young and ODB.

 

[trashboy]

It worked for Gail Kim and Kharma didn't look weak. But you could say the same for big guys like Mark Henry or Big Show. They've been beaten by little guys like Rey Mysterio, which should never happen. That little punk beating Big Show. So I'm sure Kharma will eventually lose to one of the little divas as well. I still don't understand the hype surrounding Kharma though. She's gonna bring back the division to where it used to be? I don't think so. They have talented divas like Beth and Natalya, and yet, Natalya is jobbing to everyone and farting, luckily they seemed to have dropped that gimmick. To bring the division back, they need more than just Kharma and Beth to do it. Get rid of the untalented divas and get some actual wrestlers. There's lots of 'em in the independents just waiting to be called up to WWE.

 

[The 1-2-3 Killam]

Had she been around last year, and not had to leave as soon as she came in, I know there was plans to re-ignite the Kong & Kim feud from their time in TNA. Unfortunately (depending on how you look at it, I suppose), Gail Kim is back in TNA and Kharma has been absent for an entire year. So that's clearly not happening, potentially ever again.

Beth could give her several months of good feud, but you're right. Her future, unless they seriously change something in the division quickly, is to squash the competition forever. And "competition" is a word I use very loosely... But hey, Beth is still around isn't she? More than likely they'll give her the title and have her roughshod over the division and insert actual challenges once in a blue moon to do title changes. Beth and Natalya are the only girls that I think could come close to matching her physically, but I also think Layla could go a long way into replicating that classic Kong/Kim feud that is heralded as one of the all-time greatest women's programs. She's a good wrestler, a fun character, and could be billed to actually draw (somewhat) against a monster like Kharma.

 

[Rampage Bentley]

I think Kharma versus the men is a great idea. She can be a champion one day. By defeating mid-carders. But one concern I see is this. What would that accomplish for her or the WWE. A novelty idea and then she will be lost or thrown in lame feuds llike Chyna was. It would be sad because Kharma is a talented wrestler. Look at her matches from Japan on youtube. I hope they dont drop the ball with her. And I really hope they don't copy TNA and make her a tag champ with a lower talent like Erik Young and ODB.

I don't know, I'd love to see Kharma and Mark Henry win the tag titles... and now that The Bella's are gone they can steal "Twin Magic" and switch places unbeknowst to the referee.

In all seriousness, I think Kharma would be wasted if she spent her entire time in the divas division. Like it's been said earlier, she can feud with Beth, Nattie, and I think you can also throw in Tamina, but other than that no one would be believable. I think Kharma would need to be protected when wrestling men. No way should she ever take on guys like Punk, Orton, or Cena... or even guys like Ryback or Kane. She'd have to feud with The Miz's, Santino's and Zack Ryder's of the world...

Though I'd pay good money to see Kharma vs. Daniel Bryan.

 

[DeanoJX]

I dont know about her getting the World Heavyweight Championship or WWE Championship
Maybe the US or Intercontinental.

But knowing WWE, they won't, they can hardly use their male talent the way they should, let alone do anything other than 2 minute wwe diva matches.

 

[aza1294]

Fairly good idea, i see that happening after she dominates the divas scene for a while. She could then proceed to have feuds with some of the smaller mid to upper mid card talent, Imagine her vs dolph, he'll be thrown around like crazy

 

[Defekt]

Karma is the only draw in the stagnant diva's division, so there's no doubt the WWE would like to use her to boost another segment.

As far as Kharma competing against men, I think it will probably happen, but it's still lose/lose for her opponents. At best they've beaten a girl. At worst, they've lost to a girl.

I wouldn't expect the WWE to put her over anyone they consider a star, but Santino and Alex Riley should look out.

 

[Iversen]

The only way I could see the WWE putting Kharma in with the guys is if she gets put in a comedy role teaming with Santino or something like that, which quite frankly would not suit her character at all. Or she goes in at the mid card level and feuds with someone like Ziggler for the IC title.

The fact of the matter is most of the top tier WWE talent are far too big a divas themselves to let a woman go over them. The only person I can ever think of that truly feuded with a woman was Jericho when he did so with Chyna and he's not going to be around much longer so that's probably out the window.

 

[The Champ]

I'd rather they just concentrate on pushing the guys they have as opposed to spending a tremendous amount of time and effort trying to get a woman over in men's divisions. There are too many talented superstars that they're not using properly as it is to waste a push on a female. Not to sound sexist, but the divas division exists for a reason and Kharma seems like the perfect person to finally rejuvenate it after many years of mediocre booking. Plus, the rub a smaller diva would get for pulling off an underdog victory over her would obviously be far bigger than a rub any guy would get from defeating a female. It would be more like, "About time," in the eyes of many.

 

[Workrate]

To answer the original question: no, not really, but there's also no point in having her competing against men, either.

I think it's kind of silly to suggest that she's valueless in the women's division because she's so much bigger and stronger than all her competitors, yet think it makes sense for her to compete with the men. Unless you want to segregate the roster and give her matches against Santino-types, what's the point? It's not like she's ever going to feud with any of the top males, so there's no reason to even bother. She may be too powerful to ever lose to the Bella Twins, but you know what? She's too small to ever beat the Big Show. So, there's that.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

Wow, I can't believe how many people actually sound like they think this is a good idea. If you want a sure fire way to destroy the credibility of a male wrestler, have him get beaten up by a woman.

Remember Chavo Guerrero's feud with Hornswoggle back in 2010? How many times did we see Chavo made a fool of during the roughly 6 months of his program with Hornswoggle, including actually losing cleanly in matches? I know Hornswoggle isn't a woman but, the guy's still a little person. He's barely over 4 feet tall and weighs 140 pounds. Because of his feud with 'Swoggle, Chavo Guerrero's credibility will never recover. He could pop up on Impact Wrestling this Thursday and win the TNA World Heavyweight Championship but, when it's all said and done, he'll still be remembered as a guy who couldn't beat a midget in WWE. Having women compete against men for male oriented championships does nothing but devalue everyone involved.

I know the world has progressed far in the past 50 years or so but we still live in a world where men get ridiculed if they lose a fight to a woman, even if that fight is in professional wrestling. At the end of the day, Kharma is still just an overweight black woman and is probably the last great hope for women's wrestling in WWE.

 

[Poop Master Flex]

I don't see how a male losing to certain females would be an issue. I recall at Survivor Series '99 Chyna beat a certain fellow cleanly by the name of Chris Jericho and I guarantee it didn't hurt his credibility in any way.

If Jericho lost to Miss Kitty clean then yeah it would have been an issue but Kharma is of a completely different mold than any diva. She's different and she's special, she really truly is. Kharma is one diva that could defeat the men in the WWE without hurting them at all. Let's say she beat Cody Rhodes or Ziggler clean would you really look at these guys less? I know I wouldn't. Chavo losing to Hornswoggle is in no way the same thing as lets say Kharma beating Chavo, as a matter of fact it would hurt Kharma more to lose to Chavo then it would hurt Chavo losing to Kharma.

Kharma isn't just some Diva, she's a monster of a diva and is so far ahead of every other diva (Phoenix and Natalya excluded) that it's sickening. If Kharma is diva's champion then it horribly exposes the flaws in the Diva's division. Not a knock against the Diva's but Kharma is better than that. Put her with the guys, she may be overweight but so was Dusty Rhodes and Kharma can put on 30 minute matches with ease, I've seen it more than once.

She's a better fit for fighting the guys. She has the build for it, you can legitimately believe she can beat most of the guys on the roster even if she's a girl and it better showcases the fact that she is different and is special because she would be the second woman who regularly competed with the men (the first being Chyna). Kharma is a girl that comes along once in a blue moon and it would be foolish to treat her like every other diva.

 

[OneTooManyPunts]

While I think Kharma facing men isn't a bad idea..it's something that should be done AFTER she has a good, lengthy run in the Women's Division. Let's face it, Kharma is going to be the foundation of the Diva's Division once she returns. She is, in many ways maybe the only thing that can rescue it from complete obscurity. Having a lengthy title run, regardless of the quality of her opposition, will establish her in the eyes of fans that aren't familiar with what she had done, and is capable of, before her WWE debut.

Now, as far as how far she can go wrestling the fella's...it's hard to say, but you'll never see her win the WWE Championship, or World Heavyweight Championship for one simple reason...she'd have to beat a top tier talent to do so. Kharma isn't going over Randy Orton, Sheamus, John Cena, CM Punk...no matter how over she may get.

She could run with the US Title, or even as part of an inter-gender tag team with the Tag Titles..but that's as far is it will go outside of the Diva's Division. Look back at Chyna's tenure in WWE, and you can almost see what would lay ahead for Kharma in intergender programs. What would probably start off innovative and promising, would probably end up as a comedy routine, with Kharma playing second fiddle to the likes of Brodus Clay, or Santino.

If she's going to wrestle men, it should be on special occasions. It helps really generate a buzz for the match, and can not only help further her along, but just by the nature of it being a special attraction match, the guy she's facing as well.

 

[DexVendetta88]

I would love to see Kharma compete with the men since the divas division is nothing more than a sideshow right now. However, as someone pointed out in an earlier reply since we're in the PG-era WWE and not the Attitude the WWE just can't have men beating up on a woman in general. I can sort of see her becoming an IC or US champion one-time, but nothing more than that. I think the real solution is to do a complete overhaul of the divas division altogether. In other words bring in legitimate female contenders, and get rid of any of the divas who don't seem to be doing anything much at the moment.

 

[daddyJ_t]

ummm no kharma vs men. hmmm most divas cant beat other women let alone a guy. now if kharma comes out and beats a dude such as ziggler or jericho, shes pidgeonholed. there is no turning back. wow kharma jus pinned a former world champion, now what diva can beat her. heres an idea better the divas division and keep her there. remember what happened to chyna, she faced men and beat them and then by the time she went to the divas division she won the title and nobody beat her for it. and the title was retired. soo no keep her in the womens division and jus work to make it better.

 

[Paralyzer Z]

I could see this happening but not as rapid fire fast as some hope.

It's inevitable that Kharma will return to dominate the Diva's division first, I can safely say that everyone sees that coming at one point or another. Whether it be squashing Heel divas like in her last run, squashing face divas like the typical monster Diva, or just scaring Kelly Kelly with dolls these are things we are almost guaranteed to see before any thought of having her wrestle males can be put into action. The whole point of having her in the Women's/Diva's division is to get her over as a monster heel, face, or just monster in itself so that eventually we could get some sort of pay-off whether it be a heroic feline taking her out in the case she were to go heel, or taking out the top heel divas if she were to comeback face. This should go on for awhile, and I don't see it lasting as brief as some people say it would.

As far as wrestling men goes, I agree that we still live in a male dominated society but regardless of that Kharma is not your average Kelly Kelly. No matter how you put it's very believable that she could go out there and give almost any guy out there a kafaybe run for his money. Chyna for example was an amazon of a woman, she pinned Chris Jericho who more than once has main evented Wrestlemania. It's obvious that initially she wouldn't be wrestling John Cena and CM Punk right off the bat, Ziggler, Rhodes, Barrett or Swagger would do fine. If Chris Jericho still managed to have a great career, win nine Intercontinental championships, and again main event Wrestlemania on multiple occasions (all after loosing to a girl) then I assure you that mid card guys wouldn't be harmed. The problem I foresee however is long term as in what happens if the case where she to run out of mid card guys to fight? Could even a Diva of that stature and "build" move on to bigger things than a mid card large monster? That would be interesting to see if a woman could be successful, relevant, and believable in a main event situation.

Kharma isn't the generic pretty face we see quite often, in fact she is even more than a powerhouse Diva such as Natalya and Beth Phoenix. It would be a huge blunder to limit her to a division where she would forever be the biggest fish in the smallest pond.