Is Shawn Michaels Being Phased Out?

Tenta

The Shark Should've Worked in WCW
I mean, it really does beg to be asked, in my opinion. Look, we're all aware that Vince McMahon, for some reason, gave Shawm Michaels incredible leeways when it comes to what he allowed Shawn to do in the WWE. Some will say there's a psycho-sexual fixation, of which I honestly wouldn't doubt. Some say that McMahon was played like a fiddle because of Shawn's ability to out-carny the only man in wrestling now who still respects the deception and bullshit of the carny workers back in the 1930s. Vince McMahon gave Shawn Michaels plenty of political power, and Shawn Michaels used (and abused) his political clout quite a bit in the WWE.

Now that he's gone, however, it seems as though all the political clout he used to hold is gone, even though he still has plenty of friends in the company who wield ungodly political power. Shawn is rarely ever mentioned on television, which isn't rare, but comes to be when you consider how many times men like The Rock, Steve Autin, and others were referenced on television, even long after they retired. But this thread isn't completely about Shawn Michaels, so much as it is Shawn's boys.

First, let's take Drew McIntyre. This was a guy who, before Shawn left, had the skyrocket attached to his back. He was given the Chosen One gimmick, which admittedly he's still using, and was given the Intercontinental Title. He was destined for success, in spite of the fact that he hadn't been long in the company. Let's not forget, though, that Drew McIntyre was the equivalent to Shawn of what Sheamus is to Triple H. Shawn was said to be very high on Drew, and made the comparison between him and a young Trips. Now, I think we can make a direct correlation between Shawn's departure, and Drew's push being stalled. Now, he's doing the job to Fatt Hardy, and has both his IC Belt, and any momentum he'd gained over the last seven months. Drew, for some reason, has fallen out of favor with the WWE execs. And I find it hard to believe he would still, if Shawn was still with the company.

He's not the only of Shawn's boys to suffer, though; that also seems to be the case with one Bryan Danielson. Remember, it was Shawn that trained Danielson. Shawn was said to be livid about Bryan being released. Still, even though it's alleged Shawn is upset, Vince has done nothing to qualm his anger. This is the Shawn who always used to get his way with Vince, no matter how seemingly ridiculous. Shawn has gotten Vince to go through so much in his career, that it almost seems absurd, right now, that Vince could ever do something that would knowlingly upset Shawn.

Again, I'm not saying that there's a direct reasoning for the treatment Drew and Bryan have received, but doesn't it seem a little odd that this all comes now that Shawn has left? Is it possible that Shawn is being phased out of the WWE? And if he is, what does this mean for his boys, Drew and Bryan?
 
Well, let's be frank: He's retired. Of course he's been phased out. He's not on the road every week in the big man's ear, so his voice has been severely dulled. Really, isn't it natural that he doesn't have as much clout off the road as he does on it? I don't even think there's anything negative about what's happening here. This isn't a case of the WWEvil Empire turning it's back on someone who dared to leave them. The simple fact is there are other delicate flowers on the road every week who need Vince's sweet, sweet attention and are in a prime position to get some. It's a sands of time thing, and I think it's certainly happening. HBK is a fond part of years gone by, but his views moving forward aren't the most significant.

In regards specifically to Drew, I think Hunter was high on him as well. So I think there's more to that story than the Michaels aspect you painted.
 
I do not believe that Shawn is being phased out in terms of killing off the two people that Shawn had faith in within the company.

It has been known that Drew McIntyre lost his push due to guys in the back not being too liking to it, because they didn't feel he did enough to deserve the push he received, as well as the fact that Drew apparently carried him self like he was better than anybody else.

And let's remember Triple H, the son in law of Vince is still in the company, and he also like Drew, would Triple H not stand up for Drew if it was due to Vince wanting to knock Drew's push to the ground due to Shawn not being there anymore?

Talking about Bryan Danielson, the problem there was that he did something that was seen as taboo, and Shawn freaked out over it, but nothing was done for it, and I do not believe it's due to Shawn not being there anymore, but simply to protect the cover of the company, a company who has sponsors to care about, Mattel who complained about it, and plenty others who might have complained that we do not know of.

Besides I do not believe that Shawn had the backstage power that he had in the 90's when he returned in the 00's he was said to have quite an attitude during the 90's because of drug problems and everything, Shawn changed himself during his absence with WWE, and I do not believe that he did the same kind of backstage power control in terms of deciding who to push over the fact that he simply saw potential / liked the person being pushed.

I think Drew will eventually get the push again, he just needs to earn the push, and it's not hard to earn it if booked right, and he needs to knock off the backstage attitude (if that thing is right) and he will be just fine on his way to the top.

Bryan Danielson on the other hand, might return, might not, Vince was said not to be happy about firing Bryan, but had to do it because of the pressure laid on his shoulders, he will most likely rehire him when everything blows off, and Bryan will be on his way to a great WWE career once more I can only expect.
 
No i don't think he's been phased out is it a coincidence, yes.

I think Vince would always be happy to hear from Shawn and his views. I mean yeah HBK was raging but have we heard anything since? i'm sure he and Vince had a nice chat and told him not to worry.

The Drew part hmm i can't explain if we weren't in the media stratosphere like we are with the internet this Chosen One would have went over ages ago, the internet i think has changed some things especially about how people do tend to get persuaded and have their eyes open.

Bryans and Drew are both very good in the ring in different style i dont care what people say about Drew he does. His personality outside of wrestling too, he's a funny fucker.

Things will come good, look at F4W Vince out when Drew came out and look it helped alot the notes stuff was childish and just plain ridiculous. Oh yeah and the Kofi match was actually decent.
 
Well, let's be frank: He's retired. Of course he's been phased out. He's not on the road every week in the big man's ear, so his voice has been severely dulled. Really, isn't it natural that he doesn't have as much clout off the road as he does on it? I don't even think there's anything negative about what's happening here. This isn't a case of the WWEvil Empire turning it's back on someone who dared to leave them. The simple fact is there are other delicate flowers on the road every week who need Vince's sweet, sweet attention and are in a prime position to get some. It's a sands of time thing, and I think it's certainly happening. HBK is a fond part of years gone by, but his views moving forward aren't the most significant.

In regards specifically to Drew, I think Hunter was high on him as well. So I think there's more to that story than the Michaels aspect you painted.

Would make sense, except Shawn truly is a special case. Remember, this is the guy everybody believes that Vince had some sort of sexual crush on. I would believe he, more than anyone else, would still be in Vince's ear. Yes, Vince has a nasty habit of throwing out his old wrestlers when he's done, but it isn't as though this is your typical wrestler. This is the same man Vince allowed to have the Montreal Screwjob orchestrated for. And now all of the people that Shawn has been high on are stalling?

Perhaps Trips was high on Drew. I was always told that Trips was high on Drew McIntyre, mainly because Shawn was high on him. Triple H liked Drew because his buddy liked Drew, as it appeared

I do not believe that Shawn is being phased out in terms of killing off the two people that Shawn had faith in within the company.

It has been known that Drew McIntyre lost his push due to guys in the back not being too liking to it, because they didn't feel he did enough to deserve the push he received, as well as the fact that Drew apparently carried him self like he was better than anybody else.

Well, yeah, because he knew he had Shawn in his back pocket. Besides, Shawn's had a habit of overuling the entire backstage when he really wants something. Remember his proclamation that he'd never job? Seemed to go pretty well for him ,really, until his back gave out. Then he found God, and you know the rest. But Vince has been known to put Shawn's best interests before the company. And here, it would seem Shawn's best interests are in Drew.

And let's remember Triple H, the son in law of Vince is still in the company, and he also like Drew, would Triple H not stand up for Drew if it was due to Vince wanting to knock Drew's push to the ground due to Shawn not being there anymore?

Perhaps, but I was always under the belief Trips liked Drew because of Shawn.

Talking about Bryan Danielson, the problem there was that he did something that was seen as taboo, and Shawn freaked out over it, but nothing was done for it, and I do not believe it's due to Shawn not being there anymore, but simply to protect the cover of the company, a company who has sponsors to care about, Mattel who complained about it, and plenty others who might have complained that we do not know of.

My point being, if Shawn was so livid, Vince would have done something to placate him, because he seems to have a habit of doing so, especially when Shawn was upset.

Besides I do not believe that Shawn had the backstage power that he had in the 90's when he returned in the 00's he was said to have quite an attitude during the 90's because of drug problems and everything, Shawn changed himself during his absence with WWE, and I do not believe that he did the same kind of backstage power control in terms of deciding who to push over the fact that he simply saw potential / liked the person being pushed.

You joking, right?

Shawn and Trips worked together to get him into a Wrestlemania XX main event he had no belonging in. It was Shawn and Trips that both buried four competent main event wrestlers in the 2003 Elimination Chamber. Instead of giving a new face a push with the belt, Trips decided to give the belt to Shawn for a "nostalgia run" he never needed. And you don't think Shawn had any say in that.

Maybe his political power wasn't as pronounced, but believe me, it was still there, I assure you.


I think Drew will eventually get the push again, he just needs to earn the push, and it's not hard to earn it if booked right, and he needs to knock off the backstage attitude (if that thing is right) and he will be just fine on his way to the top.

Bryan Danielson on the other hand, might return, might not, Vince was said not to be happy about firing Bryan, but had to do it because of the pressure laid on his shoulders, he will most likely rehire him when everything blows off, and Bryan will be on his way to a great WWE career once more I can only expect.

Perhaps, and I can see that. But there's no denying both names have lost steam within the company. And that wouldn't be the case if Shawn wasn't around
 
Well, yeah, because he knew he had Shawn in his back pocket. Besides, Shawn's had a habit of overuling the entire backstage when he really wants something. Remember his proclamation that he'd never job? Seemed to go pretty well for him ,really, until his back gave out. Then he found God, and you know the rest. But Vince has been known to put Shawn's best interests before the company. And here, it would seem Shawn's best interests are in Drew.

That was the Shawn Michaels in the 90's that didn't want to job after all.

But I do agree Vince is high on Shawn Michaels, him being Vince's favorite wrestler of all time and everything, but even from that perspective I do not see him getting phased out is the reason for the lack of push for Drew and the firing of Bryan Danielson, because of the fact that there were people that had problems with it backstage.

There were also people who refused to work with Drew, Shawn Michael's support or not, that's got positive for your career.

Perhaps, but I was always under the belief Trips liked Drew because of Shawn.

That can be true, but Vince liked Drew first of all from my knowledge, Vince was the one that discovered the resemblance of a young Triple H and Drew McIntyre, and banked on it, Shawn and Triple H I would assume followed suit.

My point being, if Shawn was so livid, Vince would have done something to placate him, because he seems to have a habit of doing so, especially when Shawn was upset.

That may very well be true, but just because Vince didn't obey Shawn this time, due to him actually being retired, does not mean that Vince phased him out, could very well still be considering ideas and recommendations from Shawn when given, but the Bryan Danielson firing would have lost him millions if the rumors of Mattel is true.

You joking, right?

Shawn and Trips worked together to get him into a Wrestlemania XX main event he had no belonging in. It was Shawn and Trips that both buried four competent main event wrestlers in the 2003 Elimination Chamber. Instead of giving a new face a push with the belt, Trips decided to give the belt to Shawn for a "nostalgia run" he never needed. And you don't think Shawn had any say in that.

I did not know that.

Sure Shawn could've had a saying in that, or Vince could've insisted on giving him the belt when returning because of the money it might bank with Shawn being champion, even if he weren't a draw in the 90's.

Shawn getting the belt, and Triple H being champion before that, and after that, also set up for one great feud (at least I found it great, I don't know about you Tenta).

Besides Shawn after that reign hasn't held a championship except during the 2009 D-Generation X, and that's because he did not want the championship belt, because he didn't want to be one to appear at every single house show and tapings because of being champion.

Maybe his political power wasn't as pronounced, but believe me, it was still there, I assure you.

And I believe you, I simply do not know in what terms he used it, he might have done a bit here and there on pushes, but so did Triple H as well, Randy Orton seemingly did with Mr Kennedy and I could suspect Kofi Kingston as well, and John Cena had influence of Evan Bourne.

Perhaps, and I can see that. But there's no denying both names have lost steam within the company. And that wouldn't be the case if Shawn wasn't around

I'm gonna assume you ment "if Shawn was around" but yes I agree it might not have happened, with perhaps the exception of Bryan Danielson because of the fact that it was still taboo more than anything.

And even to some extend Shawn might see the positive side of things on occasions, seeing as Drew had a multitude of people not wanting to work with him, Undertaker I believe refused to work with him after his first match with him, and we all know that Undertaker is one of the guys that has managed to shut both Shawn and Vince up.
 
What a debate...

I don't think he is being phased out...I mean he retired...what do you wnt them to do, mention his name every week?? I agree with you when you say they mention Austin and Rocks name...but they don't always mention their names either...why would they be remembering those that retired...when they could be helping push the newer stars...

As for Danielson, yes...everyone was pretty mad about it..but we understand why it happened...we all know he will be back..and so does Bryan...
Drew wasn't only Shawns pick..he was Triple H's pick as well...and I'm sure he will be pushed to the main event level soon..
 
Vince had a sexual crush on HBK? what are u smoking, that's the first i've heard of this. Mind you i don't read every person's take on the wrestling business and take it as fact.

HBK abused his political power??? ok i don't see this either, he was a prick in his early yes, and he readily admits that, but if he was truly power hungry, why is it that he only won a few world titles? why is it that he lost regularly? why is it, that he made nobodies look like someone? why hasn't all the performers that have been through his school been granted main event pushes etc.?

I will hate on Shamus getting a pushed, i'm not gonna bag people who dislike that, though he does have that aura, his look and vocal talents leaves alot to be desired.
and Drew has the look but thats it.

But back to shawn why was he in big main events often?? BECAUSE HE SOLD TICKETS!!! HE WAS A PHENOMENAL IN RING TALENT, Millions of people bought it and loved every minute of it...

Daniel Bryan had to be punished he fucked up on television. Get over it.
and if they really wanted to stick it to Shawn they woulda fired him point blank with no chance of returning.

Drew McIntryre - he is what he is, an arrogant prick who doesn't get over.

As for HBK never being mentioned, you must have earplugs in or have the sound turned off when watching, they mentioned him several times during NXT season 1, he's regularly on WWE Vintage Collection, and if someone had been trained by him they mention it.

How much more could they do in the few months since his retirement? Mention him in every segment maybe? would that get your rocks off?

As for the mentioning of the Rock and Austin well obviously, they were the two biggest money drawers during the attitude era, and Austin is still under WWE banner for movie purposes. and they onnly mention them when it comes to the ICtitle or World Titles as they both held them during memorable times and for lengthy periods. HBK not so much

I think maybe it is you that has the sexual fixation on HBK....

No point going any further...
 
Firstly, Shawn is still occasionally mentioned...I can't remember when I last heard any mention of Rock or Austin, beside Austin's stint as guest host. Secondly, It is my opinion Shawn's "power" was always overplayed, even in the 90's. If he was nearly as powerful as is suggested, the Kliq would never have been broken and Austin would have had zero chance of becoming top dog. As far as I see it Vince respected Shawn's opinions and so often rolled with them. That point may be why Drew was pushed, though as has been noted Trips was high on hm too, and his opinion probably counts way more these days. As has also been said Danielson will most likely be back, furthermore, Drew is still getting plenty of tv time, including promo time - it doesn't seem like the push is totally over just because he dropped a belt, but if it is it probably has more to do with backstage issues than the showstoppers departure. That's how I call it at least.
 
Well for one, HBK isn't there every week, so Big Mac doesn't have to deal with him. It would be equivalent to an employee that was getting their way every week, or every other week, and while the accomplishments of that employee were very much appreciated, he wouldn't be able to come in and get a free burger or whatever the case may be because they (he) no longer works there....but still has friends....so...along with not being employed, --the "pull" would be gone, so it would make no difference who was getting pushed (or fired in this case). Here's my question though~~~ with DB getting fired, and he was very high up on the HBK meter......do you think in some way it would send a message to the other wrestlers that there are no favors....especially since we're now all PG? Yes I know, there is that Sheamus/HHH factor, but hey....Trips is now a relative and he would have Steph to deal with if daddy went against what Hunter was suggesting.

Now, with the whole phasing out aspect.....alot of the marks know that BD is a protege' of HBK...which is why maybe he's not mentioned.....it's bad enough Big Mac has to hear his name chanted now as it is, he certainly doesn't want to give any more fuel to the fire. Nonetheless, those that are not aware of it, ---and I really think deep down Vinnie Mac was sad, and is sad to see HBK go because he doesn't have the talent explosion (and that include charisma like the Rock, SCSA, etc)...and he may be trying to steer this ship in the direction that I'm sure he's hating have to go to. Let's face it, VM isn't getting any younger either, and while he was "one of the boys" back in the day of the attitude era, he can't bounce with 'em anymore, and I think there is that aspect that he just doesn't give three shits about who his company is employing---he's facing the fact that Undertaker, Jericho, Big Show, Kane, Trips, are ALL contemplating retiring....and his graduating class isn't what it used to be....and maybe with Flair gone and having that ego and non stop suggestions from him (if any), he's accepting the fact that isn't what it used to be and is now in the habit of letting those leave--leave--and no mentioning of them anymore.
 
You joking, right?

Shawn and Trips worked together to get him into a Wrestlemania XX main event he had no belonging in. It was Shawn and Trips that both buried four competent main event wrestlers in the 2003 Elimination Chamber. Instead of giving a new face a push with the belt, Trips decided to give the belt to Shawn for a "nostalgia run" he never needed. And you don't think Shawn had any say in that.

Maybe his political power wasn't as pronounced, but believe me, it was still there, I assure you.

What? No, seriously. What? Ok, let's play a game. Let's just pretend what you said is true. Throw out all logic and common sense, and pretend we live in some crazy land where what you said is actually true. Give me a minute.

Ok, I've got myself thinking insanely. I see some truth in what you said.. And??? Let me get this straight. He put himself in ONE match he shouldn't have been in - and he won ONE MATCH he shouldn't have? Like, OMG!!! He's the worst person in the company!!!1!1!1!11112 ...am I missing something here, or...? No? That's all he did? Hrm. Well, he must've not been around long...oh, 8 years? Hrm. Well, I guess that speaks for itsself, now doesn't it?

Ok, back to reality. In reality, there was no reason for Shawn Michaels NOT to be in the Wrestlemania XX main event. It had nothing to do with Triple H, Shawn Michaels, or any kind of imaginary politics. He was put in there to make the match better - which he did - and to job to The Murderer - which he did. It was a logical part of his rivalry with Triple H.

As for his title run, um...you do realize he should have held the title TWENTY TIMES more than he did over the last 8 years, right? There's literally never been a point in the last 8 years where he wasn't among the top 2 faces in the company, and he held the title for 28 days. That wasn't a nostalgia run - he was around for 7 and a half years after that run, a full time wrestler for the most part. There were no younger wrestlers to put over. There was no reason for him not to win. And no, it wasn't Triple H that decided to give him that "nostalgia run" as you so inaccurately described it, it was the WWE writers. And it was a great decision. One that they should have made many more times over the last 8 years, but they didn't - because Shawn Michaels didn't want it. He was perfectly content putting others over - and that's what he did consistently over the last 8 years. He established Randy Orton as a main eventer so he could fued with Triple H over the title. He established Chris Jericho as a main eventer when he returned from a lengthy absense so he could become world champion. He established, along with Triple H, Legacy as legitimate wrestlers in the WWE and not just Randy Orton's lackeys. He established John Cena as THE face of the company. With Triple H, he established Edge and Randy Orton, as a tag team (Rated RKO), as legitimate main eventers. Get the picture?

Honestly, your anti-Triple H and anti-HBK bias makes me very, very sad. Can we find somebody else to start subjects about them who won't make ridiculous statements like the ones I quoted above? :lmao:

To answer the original question - IMO, if you look at the circumstances around Drew McIntyre and Daniel Bryan, you'll see that they have nothing to do with Shawn Michaels leaving. In McIntyre's case, it's not like the push has stopped completely. It's just changed directions. He's still Vince's boy, he's in one of the highest profile storylines on SD, and his "de-push" if you want to call it that started around the time they realized the crowd didn't care about him and also the reports of guys in the lockerroom refusing to work with him, not because HBK left. And Daniel Bryan was released (if you believe it's legit) because he choked out whatshisface with a tie. Obviously there's nothing HBK could've done about that. And before that he was getting huge attention, storylines, airtime, etc, long after HBK had been gone, so obviously HBK leaving didn't hurt him. Choking out whatshisface hurt him.
 
Tenta, you have been reading the dirtsheets and internet for way to long. HBK made that match at wrestlmania 20 a lot better than it wouldve been with just benoit and HHH. In fact I think him being in the match made it alot more special and interesting, as him and HHH were having a long fued at the time. Also HBK in the 90's wanted all of his ideas used and put to work. I think when he came back he just tried to focus on his own character and dint care about winning all the time. I mean the guy won a title in 2004. by the way other guys in the match include RVD, Chris Jericho, Booker T, HHH, and Kane. The only one of those guys who havent had the title and a good run is Kane. (who deserved a run in '99 but wasnt given it.)They needed to show HBK was still a main eventer, it made sense, he was only 36. He was one of the the best wrestlers they had until he retired in 2010. Thats six years without an individual title. He knew he didnt need another title. All of those championship main events he headlined in those six years, and not one win. I bet money he was offered more than one chance to win it back, but knew he didnt need it. You dont just give the title to anyone just to give it to them. I hate when the internet fans get on one guy and just think his shit doesnt stink. Dude if he doesnt make it in WWE as a champion, then he wasnt champion material, he should glad he got a chance. HBK is retired, his name isnt mentioned because he doesnt want bothered. If he decides to come back, he will, if not then so be it. He may have helped those guys get to the WWE but what they do with that oppurtunity is up to them, not him.
 
I don't know. There's a chance Tenta could be on to something here. For the past couple of weeks, Drew has been Kofi Kingston and Matt Hardy's punching bag. And tonight on Smackdown, Drew lost to Hardy, and he was kicked off of Smackdown and out of the US for having a bad Visa. Now in real life Drew is probably going back down to FCW or he's just going to be off TV for a couple of months or weeks. Either way, it's not a good sign for him.

Then there's Danielson. We all know he is an Indy god, and very popular amongest the IWC, but HBK also had a hand in training him. I remember reading the reports about how Shawn was upset over Byran's firing, and there's a chance he could've made a call to Vince to see if something could be worked out to bring him back. But as we all know by now, Danielson returning to WWE any time soon is highly unlikely.

This is all speculation, but I wouldn't be surprised if this is what was really going on in WWE. HBK should be in Vince's good graces, but he's not around anymore.
 
Ok so these always make me giggle.

Shawn isn't being phased out. He retired and is happy nailing his hot ass wife and hanging out with his kid. I don't think we've seen the last of the heartbreak kid in the world of the E but I think Vince said hey, I'd like you back but I'm willing to let you be away for a while. He's going to give Shawn the chance to miss the business and make the move to come back WHEN HE'S READY. I think that's one of the biggest things. HBK wanted some time, now he has it.

As for the whole McIntyre/Bryan thing, I don't think it has ANYTHING at all to do with Shawn. Should he have been pissed when Bryan was fired, sure. He's one of Shawns boys buy I hear they have a pretty black and white policy when it comes to that violence. Hitting someone in the head with a "steel chair" and choking them out are VERY different things. VERY different. Vince makes it very known that you break this rule, you're done. Do I think we've seen the last of Daniel Bryan in the E, not at all. I think he'll be back by Summer Slam. McIntyre got too big for his britches and got "fired" for it. I think the E put him in that feud with Fatt Hardy as you put it and in the end regretted it. They didn't want Drew to lose more face by continually getting beat on by Fat's so they did this. I think he'll be back pretty soon as well. I wouldn't be too shocked to see the Nexus angle turn into a new vs old type of thing. Wouldn't be a shock at all. I can see Drew and Bryan both coming back for that. We'll see. But bottom line, Shawn's taking a break. That's all. No connection between the 2.
 
Of course he was phased out I am the biggest hbk fan but after 20 years it's time to go and let some of the other guys take the spot light. But yet here lately mcmahon don't relize the talent he has he pushes guys that haven't paid there dues and guys who can carry the show he let's go or puts them as midcarders.
 
Hey guys I just read the following from Dave Meltzer, he is reporting that Vince McMahon has made the call that Shawn Michaels is to no longer be mentioned on air and at this time no footage of him will be shown. Micheals was very upset with the way the Bryan Danielson situation was dealt with and that combined with Vince still being upset that HBK left has put a serious strain on their relationship.

What does this mean for HBK and any future WWE appearances? I think it shows character that he sticks up for Bryan. I do think that Vince is going to the extreme in his thought process here, after all that HBK did for the WWE. I think he deserves the right to speak his mind, and not get political over it. What do you all think?

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The stuff Vince has been doing lately really is quite laughable and childish. The guy is a frigging billionaire and will always be tops in the wrestling industry...but yet he does little petty things like take JR off of the intro because he appeared at UFC, ban the chop because it gets a Ric Flair reaction who is no longer with the company, and now this stuff with Shawn. The guy really does seem like an asshole and I now see why so many people are upset with him once they leave the company.
 
Could you please provide us with the source of this? A link? Something?

- If true, then Vince needs to die. Die quickly. Painfully. Tomorrow.

Still, I don't believe that. Shawn needs to rape his grandchildren to piss him off. But then again, Vince is like 154 years old, dude's losing it in more than one ways.
 
Could you please provide us with the source of this? A link? Something?

- If true, then Vince needs to die. Die quickly. Painfully. Tomorrow.

Still, I don't believe that. Shawn needs to rape his grandchildren to piss him off. But then again, Vince is like 154 years old, dude's losing it in more than one ways.

In the OP I mentioned the source as Dave Meltzer.

Source
http://www.gerweck.net/news/1279811902.shtml

First the rick flair chop ban, then JR issue, now this with HBK? Vince is getting harsher and harsher..

HBK has earned his right to speak out in my opinion, based on his contributions to the WWE over the years.
 
Vince has been actling like a spoiled brat for the past few months. The thing with removing people from the opening because they work for TNA or somewhere else is stupid. Will anyone forget that Hulk Hogan was the biggest star in wrestling for WWE? Would seeing him for a split second actually help TNA? Wrestling fans know Hogan is in TNA, & they've already decided whether or not they like TNA's product. And what did Jim Ross do to deserve that kind of treatment? HBK was the ultimate company man for the WWE, & if this is true, it's ridiculous. And it probably is true.
 
[ thanks to chrome for the link, just had to make sure .. unfortunately ]

I can see it now. HBK is going to be replaced with Alicia Fox or something.

Remember a while ago when Cena cut this promo on Vince about Bret, telling him that he just chews people up like gum and once they lose their taste he spits them out? Sounds an awful lot like what's going on now. Wonder if Cena was shooting...
 
Yeah.... I hate to be the one on here saying I told you so, and bumping old threads. That said, I both told you so, and am bumping an old thread.

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It seems there might be some tension right now between WWE Chairman Vince McMahon and former WWE superstar Shawn Michaels. According to Dave Meltzer, McMahon recently made the call to have the announcers no longer mention Michaels on air and for there to be no footage of him shown on WWE television. Reports are circulating that the reasoning behind this was that Michaels was very unhappy about the Bryan Danielson situation. It's also believed that McMahon is upset that HBK decided to call time on his wrestling career, as McMahon felt there was still more years left in the tank. Michaels is said to be very distanced from having any involvement with wrestling at this point.

Ahem... I hate to be that guy... But I totally called this shit, way before anyone on the F4Online sites. I mean, come the fuck on! How many of you told me it was impossible, huh? That I was wrong? That I had a psychosexual crush on Shawn.

All this does is further my opinion on the matter. I mean, what more do you need. There's heat, and the people that wer trained, and loved by Shawn, have suffered.

In light if this new evidence....

1. Was Tenta right in the first place?

2. What ya got to say now, mothafuckas?!
 
Actually the CHOP wasn't banned because of the "Ric Flair" reaction it was banned because of "PG and health reasons" Thats why even after Ric left why was Shawn still using it.

If Vince was mad at Shawn because he wanted to leave and retire how come he still had a proper send off. Even Hunter might try to relieve any Shawn/McMahon tension if one ever exsisted. Try not to believe everything you see online as it can be a rumor.
 
Yeah... I totally called this shit, about twenty eight days ago. Don't believe me? Well, let's take a good hard look

http://forums.wrestlezone.com/showthread.php?t=119054

Absolutely called this shit! Look, this shouldn't be shocking at all. All of Shawn's boys have been pushed down the card, and Daniel Bryan was outright fired. I totally called this before, and consequentially, I don't demand this often, but for the love of God, please merge these two threads. I said this waaay before anyone else fucking did, and it shouldn't be shocking. All we have is a case of Shawn and Vince fighting over one name, Daniel Bryan. If he were not released, this wouldn't be half the issue it was now.

As for future appearences, fuck that, because it isn;t happening. We're talking about two proud men, who aren't going to break. Trust me, Shawn isn't coming back for a long, long time. And all I have to say is, well, I called it. So, in short, what ya got to say now, mothafuckas?
 

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