It's Damn Real!
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reDRagon would be a coup. Davey was pitching them this year, too. Maybe that helps TNA?
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FlexAmerican Dynamite
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reDRagon are smart enough to stay away from the black hole that is TNA. They've got a better shot at getting War Machine who are champs without a contract than two guys who have basically held not only ROH's but NJPW's tag division together the last year and a half. Plus both O'Reilly and Fish (more so O'Reilly) are doing important singles programs at the moment.
I just hope they learn that they can't book like they used to.
It's Damn Real!
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Indeed.
It's Damn Real!
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Translation: you like reDRagon and don't want to see them leave ROH for TNA which ≠ "are smart enough to stay away".
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There are about five contracted talents which only WWE have the ability to take away from ROH and they are Adam Cole, Jay Lethal, reDRagon and Roderick Strong. There's no way any of those five guys are willing to give up working dates for ROH, NJPW, PWG. and possibly Evolve in Roddy's case to work for the shaky future that is TNA.
It's Damn Real!
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We don't know this for a fact. We also don't know just how shaky that future really is. We know their brand is damaged, and we know they've moved networks twice in two years, but it's hard to truly have an informed opinion on exactly what their financial status is.
You are also assuming WWE *wants* all of them. As people assumed they *wanted* the Wolves. That they *wanted* Tommaso Ciampa. Sometimes they want, and then realize they don't, and let the talents go. Sometimes they never even send them an invite to begin with. Isn't that the case with Bennet?
I mean, "never say never" is a common phrase in pro wrestling for a reason, no?
I get it's a thin line between conjecture and educated guess, but you are speaking a little too matter-of-factly for my tastes.
You are also assuming WWE *wants* all of them. As people assumed they *wanted* the Wolves. That they *wanted* Tommaso Ciampa. Sometimes they want, and then realize they don't, and let the talents go. Sometimes they never even send them an invite to begin with. Isn't that the case with Bennet?
I mean, "never say never" is a common phrase in pro wrestling for a reason, no?
I get it's a thin line between conjecture and educated guess, but you are speaking a little too matter-of-factly for my tastes.
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Never said WWE wanted them, I just said there's a more legitimate chance of them getting out of their contracts ( i.e. Ciampa who will probably be used in some shape or form in the next NXT tapings) and being invited to Full Sail than working for a company who has less publicized dates than the one they're currently with.
For the record, I don't want this to be an ROH vs TNA thing, I'm not DS, I have no interest in putting down TNA in every post nor do I want them to fail, I'm just stating how there are some talents they just have a very thin chance of acquiring and how it wouldn't benefit said talent.
klunderbunker
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TNA does not learn. Ever. We're likely spending most of this year waiting on Jeff Hardy to come back and save them again.
I could see reDRagon bringing a very small bump in attendance for them (you know, whenever they decide to do house shows again and don't cancel them), but I also don't see again any reason in the world they would go to TNA. I say there's a much better chance those two wind up in NXT than ever being in TNA.
TNA kind of just has to deal with what it can get right now. Their reputation has a large stain on it to a lot of the top level indy talent. Not even AJ Styles, who owes his whole career to TNA's exposure, would head back there at this point (well especially not Styles because of all the money he's making with New Japan).
It's Damn Real!
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What contracts? We're operating here under the assumption these talents are currently wrestling for ROH without contracts, as per the reports/rumors. Namely reDRagon, Kanellis, Bennett, War Machine and Michael Elgin.
I'm not so naïve as to believe that TNA aren't behind the eight ball in terms of destination attraction. But money talks and bullshit walks. Just ask Ric Flair.
I'm not accusing you of taking shots at TNA. I'm just trying to point out that you're speaking too matter-of-factly when you clearly can't know for certain the things you are claiming.
It's Damn Real!
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Again, I'm completely aware they're a damaged brand and that there are absolutely damaged relationships, but money talks.
We simply cannot operate from the assumption that talents will not go there. We can argue over the likelihood, sure, but to flatly assert they won't is patently false.
As to a ratings bump, I think bringing in a few top indy talents would help, but how well they're booked over a consistent spread of time would determine how much of an impact — no pun intended — it would have on them in the big picture. I think that's far more important for them at this juncture than getting a few folks talking for 1/5. In a lot of ways, they should be look at 1/5 as a bridge to 1/12. The goal shouldn't be to get eyes on 1/5 as much as it should to keep them through to 1/12.
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reDRagon signed new multi year contracts last year when the rumors started, which is why I chimed in. I also stated they did have a better chance at War Machine because they're not signed. ROH has a big partnership with NJPW and just started another one with PWG (A place that O'Reilly has stated on numerous occasions he's loyal to) so contracted ROH talents can work there. Obviously nothing is for certain but that's the public information as to why the signing is highly unlikely.
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I can't really speak to the veracity of their deals. Maybe they did sign deals that will keep TNA away. Like I said, I'm operating from the assumption that all these talents are performing without deals. It's really the only position we can operate from if we're talking about any of them going to TNA.
Clearly they have no shot at anyone under contract who isn't willing to risk a lawsuit by walking out on it, which while we also can't claim is impossible, we can say is quite improbable.
Clearly they have no shot at anyone under contract who isn't willing to risk a lawsuit by walking out on it, which while we also can't claim is impossible, we can say is quite improbable.
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No one can, but like I said, when the company goes out of there way to announce talents have signed deals one option becomes more likely than the other.
It's Damn Real!
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Maybe. I mean, how's that running joke about Bram's multi-year, multi-year deal joke go again?
Still, if reDRagon aren't available, they aren't available. Still seems there are other uncontracted ROH talents to try to lure. Costs them nothing but money to try. They'd be stupid not to try.
Still, if reDRagon aren't available, they aren't available. Still seems there are other uncontracted ROH talents to try to lure. Costs them nothing but money to try. They'd be stupid not to try.
Oh no by all means if TNA offered them way more money than anyone else would be willing to hell yeah they'd be there. But I don't see that happening at all, TNA has been downsizing on all of it's big money contracts for awhile so and the only people they want to give any kind of money to are Lashley and the Hardys basically at this point. I can't see them shelling out more money on a contract for those guys than they would make in a year on the indies. I don't see that at all.
I love how everyone always has to say "no pun intended" when using the word impact in a TNA thread. It's okay I was thinking of doing the same thing as well. But actually I was talking about a bump in live attendance. I don't think reDRagon would make a lick of difference in TV ratings.
Also as Dynamite said, they signed new deals with ROH not long ago, good ones too, I think only the Young Bucks recent deal beat it out dollar wise.
It's Damn Real!
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They do seem to be scaling back, but I've read conflicting reports about the value of the Sony Six deal in India (despite them canceling the tour), as well as the details of their POP deal. Maybe there's something to play with? I mean, clearly they're fishing for talent, not just because it'd help them, but likely because they've got something to offer.
Otherwise, why even cast your lure in the first place? You've got to dangle something to get a bite.
Maybe that money is coming from the talents who've left? They lost plenty in 2015.
Otherwise, why even cast your lure in the first place? You've got to dangle something to get a bite.
Maybe that money is coming from the talents who've left? They lost plenty in 2015.
It's Damn Real!
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Just read a "Top 15 Wrestlers TNA Should Sign to Rebuild in 2016" article that's got some interesting names:
http://www.thesportster.com/wrestling/top-15-wrestlers-tna-should-sign-to-rebuild-in-2016/?view=all
Namely Candice LeRae (1,000 times yes), Maria Kanellis and Mike Bennett (who they seem to have in the bag), Joey Ryan (sure, why not?) and Jay Lethal... whose deal is apparently up in early 2016?
http://www.thesportster.com/wrestling/top-15-wrestlers-tna-should-sign-to-rebuild-in-2016/?view=all
Namely Candice LeRae (1,000 times yes), Maria Kanellis and Mike Bennett (who they seem to have in the bag), Joey Ryan (sure, why not?) and Jay Lethal... whose deal is apparently up in early 2016?
Bennett and Maria will be a nice addition to the roster, since they've already signed them. Didn't they bring Candice in for a few months? I remember her being in TNA shortly after I discovered her from PWG and being excited. She's fucking excellent, but TNA's women division gives me about as much hope as a lump on my balls. Joey Ryan? Eh, I've never been a fan and I never will be. He's pretty much hot garbage workrate wise, but I mean I definitely wouldn't blame TNA for hiring him because he's got a pretty recognizable name to the indy crowd and would help for drawing in some way. Like I said though, he's hot fucking garbage in the ring, and as entertaining as he is as a character I want exactly zero minutes of screen time from him. He's someone I'll change the channel on.
Skairipa Matrix
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If they were to bring back Joey Ryan they should just roll with Worlds Cutest Tag Team and sew how it goes.
Costume design did advance so much in recent years...
Alex
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The only plausible ones would be Chris Hero, Maria/Bennett and maybe Matt Sydal. Maria/Bennett would be good as a power couple, Sydal would be good for the X-Division (whichj seems to be about three people at the moment) and Chris Hero could fit anywhere.
I'd like Joey Ryan back in a managerial role and you could bring IN Candice LaRae as well just because.I was never a big fan of Jay Lethal unless he was doing Black Machismo.
I'd pay money for Alex Shelley to come back but that ain't happening
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