If Punk is SO popular with wrestling fans....

[d_henderson1810]

...then how come people weren't upset that Punk didn't win the Royal Rumble 2014, rather that Daniel Bryan wasn't in it? Also, if Punk had won the Rumble, would fans have been pissed off, because it wasn't Bryan who won?

...When Punk left,and leading up to WM, how come people weren't cheering "C.M. Punk", but rather "Yes! Yes! Yes!"? If Punk should have been in a WM main event, then why didn't the fans demand it and "take over" Raw, like they threatened to if Bryan wasn't in the WM30 main-event?

I think C.M. Punk is his own greatest mark, because if the fans were as high on him as he is on himself, then they would have got behind Punk and cheered him, and wanted him in the WMXXX INSTEAD of Bryan.

I don't believe that they would have done a Fatal-4-Way main event at WMXXX, with Punk, Bryan, Orton and Batista. Batista was who the WWE hand-picked, so he was always going to be in. Orton deserved to be in, because he was champion. So the final spot would have gone to either Punk or Bryan. Who do you think the fans would have picked?

The fact is, leading to Mania, and soon after, everyone was high on Daniel Bryan, not C.M. Punk. Raw didn't miss Punk or need him.

Maybe it shouldn't be WWE, Vince, Triple H, Ryback or Batista who Punk should be angry with for not getting a WM main-event. Maybe it should be the fans, who used their "pull" to petition for Daniel Bryan, not C.M. Punk, in the WM main event.

 

[Nick Black]

Fact of the matter, Punk said that it was Bryan's year. Yes, Punk said it himself. His year was the year prior. He lost the title at RR 2013, so he most likely would not have been in that Royal Rumble anyway. He then took on Taker at WM, losing that as well. They had plans for him for after RR 2014, but he didn't want to face HHH at WM30. The biggest issue with your argument is that it makes no sense. If Punk completely admitted that it was Daniel Bryan's time to shine and his big moment should have been last year, then why is it his fault or the fans fault? Punk should have had that main event at WM29, and that's that. The Punk chants following his departure were insane. They edited them out on TV or just acknowledged him by calling Punk a quitter. The fans pushed for the right person for WM30. But it seems that creative didn't want to give him the shot at 29.

 

[AndreTheClient]

It wasn't about Punk being unpopular, it was about Daniel Bryan becoming extremely over. Fans were still cheering for CM Punk but it was just Daniel Bryan's time.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

...then how come people weren't upset that Punk didn't win the Royal Rumble 2014, rather that Daniel Bryan wasn't in it? Also, if Punk had won the Rumble, would fans have been pissed off, because it wasn't Bryan who won?

Fans were pissed off that Punk didn't win the Rumble AND that Daniel Bryan wasn't even in the match. At the time, Punk was the only other guy that fans would have welcomed as being the guy who won the Royal Rumble.

...When Punk left,and leading up to WM, how come people weren't cheering "C.M. Punk", but rather "Yes! Yes! Yes!"? If Punk should have been in a WM main event, then why didn't the fans demand it and "take over" Raw, like they threatened to if Bryan wasn't in the WM30 main-event?

I think you're being a little misleading. You're making it sound as though there were no Punk chants, that there was no support for Punk. During WrestleMania season, WWE had a ton of momentum going for them. They were putting on good show after good show, they had guys like Bryan, The Shield, The Wyatt Family, Taker vs. Lesnar, MOTY contenders like Cesaro vs. Cena, Orton or Bryan and various other things going on smack in the middle of things. Whenever crowds did start with a CM Punk chant, the wrestlers kept doing their thing. During promos, those doing the mic work soldiered right through the chants as if they weren't even there, they didn't allow the chants to get under their skin, nor did they acknowledge them. As a result, they would usually stop after 15 or 20 seconds. Also, as I said, WWE was putting out a very strong build for WrestleMania with consistently strong shows week in & week out. With the exception of Punk being gone, there wasn't a whole helluva lot for them to complain about. Even the Raw in Chicago didn't turn out to be bad and WWE manipulated the shit outta the live crowd with Heyman's opening promo and by putting on a strong show.

I think C.M. Punk is his own greatest mark, because if the fans were as high on him as he is on himself, then they would have got behind Punk and cheered him, and wanted him in the WMXXX INSTEAD of Bryan.

I agree that Punk is a huge mark for himself. Some fans obviously sided with him immediately without even knowing any of the facts or even knowing what both sides of the story were. Of all the guys on the roster, however, I think that CM Punk is the only one that fans would have been satisfied with and accepted instead of Daniel Bryan. Bryan was hugely over, still is, no question about that and, personally, I'm glad Bryan was in the spot. Still, there's no denying how over Punk was and most fans would've been fine with him being in the main event if Bryan wasn't. As long as they got one or the other, I believe they'd have been pacified.

I don't believe that they would have done a Fatal-4-Way main event at WMXXX, with Punk, Bryan, Orton and Batista. Batista was who the WWE hand-picked, so he was always going to be in. Orton deserved to be in, because he was champion. So the final spot would have gone to either Punk or Bryan. Who do you think the fans would have picked?

It's an interesting question. Judging by just sheer, blatant popularity and interest, I think Bryan would have edged Punk out. People were really digging the notion of someone like Bryan being "screwed" out of opportunity after opportunity. Everyone loves an underdog story and they wanna see the underdog make good. As I said, while I believe fans would've been fine with Punk, we'd seen Punk in a number of marquee feuds with Triple H, Cena, Rock & Lesnar, we'd seen CM Punk as WWE Champion as the longest reigning World Champion in WWE in a quarter century after holding the strap for just over 14 months.

 

[LBGetBack]

Punk didn't have a lot of momentum at the time. It was pretty clear that he wasn't going to win. Wasn't he feuding with Ryback and Axel and Heyman all fall long in feuds that just wouldn't end? He seemed burned out, and it was quite noticeable at the time.

It wasn't his time. He had his moment when he beat Cena for the title in Chicago after the pipe bomb promo. This was clearly Bryan's time to have his moment.

That doesn't mean Punk wasn't loved and respected, it's just the momentum wasn't really there at the time. It was Bryan's time. Punk might've had another "moment" coming, who knows?

 

[LBGetBack]

Fans were pissed off that Punk didn't win the Rumble AND that Daniel Bryan wasn't even in the match. At the time, Punk was the only other guy that fans would have welcomed as being the guy who won the Royal Rumble.



I think you're being a little misleading. You're making it sound as though there were no Punk chants, that there was no support for Punk. During WrestleMania season, WWE had a ton of momentum going for them. They were putting on good show after good show, they had guys like Bryan, The Shield, The Wyatt Family, Taker vs. Lesnar, MOTY contenders like Cesaro vs. Cena, Orton or Bryan and various other things going on smack in the middle of things. Whenever crowds did start with a CM Punk chant, the wrestlers kept doing their thing. During promos, those doing the mic work soldiered right through the chants as if they weren't even there, they didn't allow the chants to get under their skin, nor did they acknowledge them. As a result, they would usually stop after 15 or 20 seconds. Also, as I said, WWE was putting out a very strong build for WrestleMania with consistently strong shows week in & week out. With the exception of Punk being gone, there wasn't a whole helluva lot for them to complain about. Even the Raw in Chicago didn't turn out to be bad and WWE manipulated the shit outta the live crowd with Heyman's opening promo and by putting on a strong show.



I agree that Punk is a huge mark for himself. Some fans obviously sided with him immediately without even knowing any of the facts or even knowing what both sides of the story were. Of all the guys on the roster, however, I think that CM Punk is the only one that fans would have been satisfied with and accepted instead of Daniel Bryan. Bryan was hugely over, still is, no question about that and, personally, I'm glad Bryan was in the spot. Still, there's no denying how over Punk was and most fans would've been fine with him being in the main event if Bryan wasn't. As long as they got one or the other, I believe they'd have been pacified.



It's an interesting question. Judging by just sheer, blatant popularity and interest, I think Bryan would have edged Punk out. People were really digging the notion of someone like Bryan being "screwed" out of opportunity after opportunity. Everyone loves an underdog story and they wanna see the underdog make good. As I said, while I believe fans would've been fine with Punk, we'd seen Punk in a number of marquee feuds with Triple H, Cena, Rock & Lesnar, we'd seen CM Punk as WWE Champion as the longest reigning World Champion in WWE in a quarter century after holding the strap for just over 14 months.

Yeah, I think that's exactly what it is. Punk had his "this guy is getting screwed" moment when he was legit going to walk away in 2011, and the fans got behind him like never before.

Bryan's was similar in 2013-14. And yeah, by that point Punk had been rewarded witht aht insanely long(for this era) title run.

 

[LBGetBack]

I think we should stop talking about this overrated jackoff

Why? Everybody relevant gets discussed on here. As one of the biggest stars in recent years, who just had a very controversial podcast....of course he's going to get talked about. You don't have to participate.

And he may be a jackoff. But overrated? Nah, I don't see that at all. He was very good and very over.

 

[stonecoldstunner]

CM Punk says whats on his mind. You have to respect that. The irony is that he left when he would've be the #1 guy....He had all the momemtum....If he would have left for a little while and came back he would be the top dog without a doubt. Punk screwed Punk.

 

[Charismatic Enigma]

Punk had basically been a jobber to the stars from for the entire year leading up to that Rumble, and there were still chants for him. Not really sure how this relates. Bryan was massively over at the time, but I think if given the option the fans would've been a lot more happy to see Punk win it than Batista.

 

[LuckyLouie]

Because while I am a Punk fan....was...
I like other people too and I dont think he is the best thing in the world. While he was good, there are other people who can do things better then him and vice versa. Plus change in wrestling is good.

 

[L@RISANO]

Given the fact I only restarted watching the WWE post-SummerSlam 2013 after a long hiatus, it was clear to me from the begininning that Bryan and Punk were the most over with the majority of the crowd.


Bryan obviously was the one with the crowd in his hands, but it was clear that Punk also exercised a fair level of control over them as is very evident in the Ascension Ceremony before the last TLC PPV event, when Punk punched HHH in the face.


Like JH said; Punk was probably the only guy that could have won the Rumble and have been in the Main Event of Mania instead of Bryan without the crowd rioting big time.
So I can't really agree with the OP on anything other than the fact that Punk is definitely his own biggest mark and isn't afraid to show it.

 

[CyberPunk]

...then how come people weren't upset that Punk didn't win the Royal Rumble 2014, rather that Daniel Bryan wasn't in it? Also, if Punk had won the Rumble, would fans have been pissed off, because it wasn't Bryan who won?

...When Punk left,and leading up to WM, how come people weren't cheering "C.M. Punk", but rather "Yes! Yes! Yes!"? If Punk should have been in a WM main event, then why didn't the fans demand it and "take over" Raw, like they threatened to if Bryan wasn't in the WM30 main-event?

I think C.M. Punk is his own greatest mark, because if the fans were as high on him as he is on himself, then they would have got behind Punk and cheered him, and wanted him in the WMXXX INSTEAD of Bryan.

I don't believe that they would have done a Fatal-4-Way main event at WMXXX, with Punk, Bryan, Orton and Batista. Batista was who the WWE hand-picked, so he was always going to be in. Orton deserved to be in, because he was champion. So the final spot would have gone to either Punk or Bryan. Who do you think the fans would have picked?

The fact is, leading to Mania, and soon after, everyone was high on Daniel Bryan, not C.M. Punk. Raw didn't miss Punk or need him.

Maybe it shouldn't be WWE, Vince, Triple H, Ryback or Batista who Punk should be angry with for not getting a WM main-event. Maybe it should be the fans, who used their "pull" to petition for Daniel Bryan, not C.M. Punk, in the WM main event.

I agree with Jackhammer on this. Plus, CM Punk for the most part of 2013 was embroiled in a midcard feud with Ryback and Curtis Axel alongside Paul Hey man. He didn't have much going on before Rumble. Punk got eliminated and Bryan didn't show up. Hell, crowd were even pulling for a Reigns victory at that time.

If you look at the last 3 Manias, 29 he was working as a heel and 28 he was working with Jericho. He could've main evented 29, even if it would've been a heel role. Punk was hung up on those chances where he jobbed to every part timer on the roster.

There's no doubt Punk's his biggest mark. Some of his gripes are legit, some overblown. But there's no doubt that he was one of the biggest star of modern era. So, you have to accept that there will be fans who'd talk about him whether you like it or not.

 

[FreezeIzGAWD]

Punk is a JOKE!!!

He over played his hand and now feels like an ASS!!!!

He thought if he left then the E would come crawling after him begging and give him the demands he wanted. He even left at the WORST POSSIBLE TIME for them. Well it didn't work Sir. See that's the problem with ultimatums. If people don't give in you don't have any bargaining chips. He bluffed and the E called him on it.

For someone who is sooooooo disgusted and tired of wrestling then why are you steady talking about it? You don't work there anymore Kid. Go to Home Depot. They have insurance and a 401K plan.

I keep saying it CM Punk is that chick who dumps you but now that she sees you have a dime piece on your arm she is running around town with your name in her mouth trying to get attention.

See as much as he says about the E being a Machine he really though he was irreplaceable but the funny thing is people have basically forgotten about him. The only time people chant for him is when a bunch of Nerds trying to be cool are in the audience or AJ comes out. It's funny but wrestling is better now than when he was there. Seth Rollins is a perfect Punk replacement and NOPE I WAS NOT A SHIELD FAN. Ambrose is excellent at what he does too. Punk looked up and he had lost his place in the lunch line so now he is running around tattling on EVERYBODY...

Ryback hurt Me..... Vince is a meany face..... Triple H is a poopy pants.....

Well U know what you got your reign. You got some really good moments and yes YOU WERE NUMBER TWO IN MERCHANDISE.....

U should have been happy. You weren't so sit home and watch Total Divas and keep the E out of your mouth!!!!

CHUMP!!!!

 

[Kodo Sawaki]

...then how come people weren't upset that Punk didn't win the Royal Rumble 2014, rather that Daniel Bryan wasn't in it? Also, if Punk had won the Rumble, would fans have been pissed off, because it wasn't Bryan who won?

People tend to forget things after a while. Thats why WWE formula when one day wrestler A is heel and other day is face for no good reason works with quite a bunch of people.

Point is, you forgot what that Rumble and all that hijacking of RAWs was all about. Sure Bryan was most over person on the roster and people were pissed that he wasnt in that Rumble and in the Wrestlemania mainevent but that Rumble he was one of two competitors that people were getting behind(they only went for Reigns after Punk was eliminated) and afterward CM Punk chants were pretty loud too. It was more about Bryan, but it was about Punk too.

Oh, and most over person on roster doesnt always get mainevent. Perfect example is that Rumble when Bryan lost cleanly to Bray Wyatt. Could argue with one more thing and that is that WWE is not that smart to troll that good. If Batistas return was even a bit accepted within fans, they would go with Batista/Orton. You would probably get Bryan/Sheamus or if Punk would still leave Bryan/HHH, but title no. I am willing to bet that they legitimatly thought Batista/Orton was fine mainevent.

Am not defending the guy. In fact, now when I think, if it played out in some other way, and they sticked with Batista and Ortin for title, with right attitude and him playing good, him and HHH could even close Mania with CM Punk getting over. But think you are overreacting because fans were behind him. Not as much as behind Bryan but still a lot and he has no reason to get mad at them. Heck, they are still chanting his name after all this time.

 

[ColeMc]

People tend to forget things after a while. Thats why WWE formula when one day wrestler A is heel and other day is face for no good reason works with quite a bunch of people.

Point is, you forgot what that Rumble and all that hijacking of RAWs was all about. Sure Bryan was most over person on the roster and people were pissed that he wasnt in that Rumble and in the Wrestlemania mainevent but that Rumble he was one of two competitors that people were getting behind(they only went for Reigns after Punk was eliminated) and afterward CM Punk chants were pretty loud too. It was more about Bryan, but it was about Punk too.

Oh, and most over person on roster doesnt always get mainevent. Perfect example is that Rumble when Bryan lost cleanly to Bray Wyatt. Could argue with one more thing and that is that WWE is not that smart to troll that good. If Batistas return was even a bit accepted within fans, they would go with Batista/Orton. You would probably get Bryan/Sheamus or if Punk would still leave Bryan/HHH, but title no. I am willing to bet that they legitimatly thought Batista/Orton was fine mainevent.

Am not defending the guy. In fact, now when I think, if it played out in some other way, and they sticked with Batista and Ortin for title, with right attitude and him playing good, him and HHH could even close Mania with CM Punk getting over. But think you are overreacting because fans were behind him. Not as much as behind Bryan but still a lot and he has no reason to get mad at them. Heck, they are still chanting his name after all this time.

When? During AJ Lee's matches, during the match of the top diva wrestling today they are chanting her husband's name.

I don't even think it's about Punk anymore, it's about a little FU to the company and they can do it because no-one is really watching the Diva's wrestle anyway, such is the standard these days.

 

[Navi]

...then how come people weren't upset that Punk didn't win the Royal Rumble 2014, rather that Daniel Bryan wasn't in it? Also, if Punk had won the Rumble, would fans have been pissed off, because it wasn't Bryan who won?

I think fans wanted anyone other than Batista to win the Rumble. After Mysterio came out at number 30 to that chorus of boo's, the crowd turned on the wrestler's, which really wasn't fair to them.

When it got down to just Batista and Reigns, they were chanting for Reigns and he was still a heel at the time with the Shield. Fans were plenty pissed off, but in the end Bryan got what he wanted and what he deserved so it's all good.

 

[Kodo Sawaki]

When? During AJ Lee's matches, during the match of the top diva wrestling today they are chanting her husband's name.

Enough to see that he still makes an impact evethough he isnt there. Which is more then 90% of roster can do even with their presence.

 

[ColeMc]

Enough to see that he still makes an impact evethough he isnt there. Which is more then 90% of roster can do even with their presence.

And how often did we hear "Yes! Yes! Yes!" during Cena's promo's, or the authorities or any damn time they felt.

If we're talking Danielson vs Punk in WM30, I think there is no real discussion, at least no sane one.

 

[GI Cake]

Because Daniel Bryan was more over than Punk during the whole road to Wrestlemania doesn't mean Punk wasn't over with the crowd as well. Bryan was white hot with the fans and he constantly stole the show with his chants. Punk had his time in the limelight with the fans in the Summer of Punk and the WWE overbooked it and had Triple H shove his nose in places that it didn't belong.

 

[Kodo Sawaki]

And how often did we hear "Yes! Yes! Yes!" during Cena's promo's, or the authorities or any damn time they felt.

If we're talking Danielson vs Punk in WM30, I think there is no real discussion, at least no sane one.

Nobody is arguing who was more over of them two. Just that OP is wrong if he thinks it was all about Bryan and that Punk should be mad at fans for not getting behind him when he was 2nd most over face on the roster that night(they even booed Cena and Orton and Reigns reaction was afterward they realised there was none else and Batista was about to win evethough Reigns was heel and Batista was face) and they even chant his name now.

 

[chuckmdubya]

I have never been a big CM Punk fan, but have always been a fan. The more that comes out about the quitting incident, the more I lose my "CM Punk fanhood."
After his interview, and McMahon's response, it seems to me like the guy just needed some time off and wouldn't admit it to himself. It seems as if he has tried to go out in a blaze of glory as a victim, rather than say, I'm injured, I'm burnt out, and I need a break. McMahon actually issued a public apology, something he rarely does. But Punk is still playing the victim and refuses to accept the apology.
Then after reading Ryback's response to Punk's comments on him, I tend to side with Ryback. If your not prepared to be hurt by a huge man, than don't expect to be a major player in WWE. Ryback also said that other people in the locker room would refute Punk's claim on having Broken ribs from Ryback.
Starting to seem like to me that Punk believes he is entitled to everything he wants, and anyone who stands in his way will be attacked via podcast.

 

[enviousdominous]

...then how come people weren't upset that Punk didn't win the Royal Rumble 2014, rather that Daniel Bryan wasn't in it? Also, if Punk had won the Rumble, would fans have been pissed off, because it wasn't Bryan who won?

I lost my crystal ball when I threw it at an MMA enthusiast for confusing honest questions with a declaration of obvious bias. I'll have to predict what would have been using only the magic of my intuition. The crowd at that time got CM Punk in the Royal Rumble, thus they got their fix. If Daniel Bryan had participated and lost, they would have booed as marks and not as dejected fans. The crowd waited until the last name was called, and had their incessant chants ignored by WWE creative. As a CM Punk fan, I was able to see him participate. I wouldn't have minded seeing him win, but seeing no appearance by Daniel Bryan was a more extreme disservice to the fans.

...When Punk left,and leading up to WM, how come people weren't cheering "C.M. Punk", but rather "Yes! Yes! Yes!"? If Punk should have been in a WM main event, then why didn't the fans demand it and "take over" Raw, like they threatened to if Bryan wasn't in the WM30 main-event?

So basically, cheering for Daniel Bryan means that nobody cares about CM Punk's departure. Right. Fans didn't take over RAW because that would be fucking stupid, there wasn't a storyline takeover of RAW because you don't use valuable tv time to hype an appearance by someone who has made it more than clear that they don't want to participate in any pro-wrestling event ever again.

I think C.M. Punk is his own greatest mark, because if the fans were as high on him as he is on himself, then they would have got behind Punk and cheered him, and wanted him in the WMXXX INSTEAD of Bryan.

NOW THAT IS COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE! For shame CM Punk! For shame myself for not demanding that Daniel Bryan be abruptly replaced by Punk without explanation! *lashes himself thirty times*

I don't believe that they would have done a Fatal-4-Way main event at WMXXX, with Punk, Bryan, Orton and Batista. Batista was who the WWE hand-picked, so he was always going to be in. Orton deserved to be in, because he was champion. So the final spot would have gone to either Punk or Bryan. Who do you think the fans would have picked?

Woof! Talk about a $64,000 question. I'm going to say; they would have picked Bryan because the original plan was to have Punk face HHH. Oh and, I think you might be out of meds.

The fact is, leading to Mania, and soon after, everyone was high on Daniel Bryan, not C.M. Punk. Raw didn't miss Punk or need him.

No shit? You were asking questions earlier as though you were desperate to know what was on the minds of fans in relation to whether or not they even regarded Punk during Daniel Bryan's push, and now you're correcting yourself to say that nobody missed Punk so it would be silly to even inquire. You might not be much of a multi-tasker in your everyday life, the rest of us can handle multiple concepts like being a fan of more than one performer in a realm of entertainment. Did you not notice the CM Punk chants that happen everytime AJ comes out?

Maybe it shouldn't be WWE, Vince, Triple H, Ryback or Batista who Punk should be angry with for not getting a WM main-event. Maybe it should be the fans, who used their "pull" to petition for Daniel Bryan, not C.M. Punk, in the WM main event.

Maybe people who use the word "maybe" for its powers of suggestion should focus a little bit on building a rapport with the first few paragraphs of their article instead of blasting off the dumbest shit I've ever read.

 

[BillAlfonsos_Whistle]

Daniel Bryan wouldn't have won the title at Wrestlemania if it weren't for CM Punk. Any way you roll the dice. I know most will vehemently disagree with this but it's just the way it goes. They took the real life CM Punk story, re-did the edges, and presented it as the D. Bryan kayfabe storyline. Epic trolling by HHH if anything.

 

[Messiah]

Your argument is ridiculous.. So 2 guys can't be very popular, is that pretty much what you're insinuating?.. If Punk was so popular why did they want Bryan to win, that's the most ******ed thing i've ever heard. Because the fans like Daniel Bryan, it's not fucking rocket science.

 

[BestWrestlingOpinions]

Bryan was the hottest thing on the roster, he was getting double the reactions Punk was getting during that time, and everyone saw it. They saw a guy who deserved the title the most out of everyone else, even Punk. Punk had a great run (even though he didn't get main events), while Bryan had nothing. Punk said it himself, it was Bryan's year and people saw that too. That's why they wanted Bryan.

The thing is, people cheered Punk too. When he entered first, people cheered and chanted his name. Bryan entering would just be such a great moment (just the entrance) and winning it would be the icing on the cake, just to shove it to HHH's face. Once he didn't enter and it was Sheamus, Batista, Reigns and Punk left, apart from the huge boos, fans started chanting for Punk, and booed even harder when he was eliminated by Kane.