I think the WWE are very clever....

[tripleddd]

Why do i say that well the signing of Brock Lesnar,The Rock & Paul Heyman.
Several things have happened The Rock is going to fight for the WWE title at the rumble and probably go onto to win which in turn will mean John Cena will win his second Royal Rumble and then they will clash again at Wrestlemania and it will give The Rock the chance to pass on the baton to John Cena as hogan did to him - they are just doing this in reverse.
Brock lesnar has had a couple of marque matches against Cena and Triple H and bashed up HBK this leaves us with several questions are we going to have team Lesnar vs Team DX at survivor series or is HBK going to take on Lesnar. Dont forget Batista and goldberg have said they would like to take on Lesnar - all 3 great marque matches without the title invovled or needed.
It also teases the Heyman CM punk connection which in turn leads to can they get Austin for a match as well.
Very clever WWE - youve even got Triple H to have a haircut - another tease- keep it up its all potential good stuff and many potential storylines

 

[Eyebrows]

The last thing John Cena needs is someone passing the baton to him. For better or worse he's had that baton for the past 7 years or so.

But they are very clever in a business sense in that they've managed to bring in Lesnar and bring back Rock who'll make them money. But the key word in there is potential. Whether or not they're smart enough to capitalise on that from the creative standpoint is another thing.

 

[DethMetal]

Not to be rude or anything dude, but I couldn't follow half of what you were trying to type.

Anyway, in terms of making money, WWE was smart in bringing back Lesnar and Rock, who are both big draws. However, with them only popping up every blue moon, who's to say if it was the greatest thing in the world? WWE needs to start investing in their current stars, or else they won't have anything to fall back on, say, ten years down the road. I don't really see Goldberg or Batista coming in to face anybody anytime soon. I also doubt Shawn will come back. Also, there's nothing for Cena to gain from facing Rocky. There is no torch in my opinion because Cena's already the man. Even Punk can see that.

And as for Triple H's haircut, I believe that since Summerslam, Triple H has begun cutting his hair off each and every day until a rematch at next year's Summerslam is made against Brock Lesnar.

 

[who what where]

Yeah signing a bunch of part-timers is truly the smartest thing to do, that doesn't breath of desperation knowing full well your current batch of entertainers are unable to get anybody to care about them. But then again that's Vinces vault for making everyone act and look the same.

 

[James]

I'd rather see The Rock winning a EC to go on to face Brock at WM, thus The Rematch everyone wanted is granted. It would sell more than a Cena Rock rematch. Let's see Cena V. Taker seeing as he mentioned he love to take on Taker at WM. What would Punk do? Good question, WWE can come up with something.

 

[Jerichoholic8894]

Their very clever to bring in Heyman, it's cool that they managed to bring in The Rock, but nobody really cares about Lesnar because he doesn't care about the WWE anymore.

Also, Why do you think Batista and Goldberg will return just because they'd like to work with Lesnar? I'm sure Stone Cold wished he could work with several guys in the business now but you don't see him returning to do so.

As someone already stated, it sounds more desperate than anything

 

[thedon2001]

1. Cena vs Rock(c) II at Mania 29 is a lock imo. Cena wins, i've said since we knew the Rock was sticking around after last years Mania.

2. Since returning to the ring hasn't hurt Rock's ticket sales (movies) I'm actually stumped on how long he's going to stick around. He can easily do the schedule he has with the WWE for a while. It's not burdening him.

3. If Austin returns it's not going to be second fiddle to the Rock. He's not going to fight on the under card with CM Punk. Not to mention Austin is not physically ready to return. If and when he does it's going to be a WM centered around him, which is WM 30 is in Dallas all bets are on him returning.

4. I'm still sticking Triple H and HBK somehow being involved with the Undertaker facing Lesnar at Mania. I can see Triple H and HBK trying to convince Taker not to put his streak on the line after what Lesnar did to both of them, yadda yadda yadda, Taker beats Lesnar at Mania 29.

5. Will HBK do a WM here or there in the future? Possibly, but there's no need for him to do one now. He made last years mania that much better by just being involved. He can still draw even if he doesn't wrestle, but there's no doubts imo that we'll see HBK in the ring at some point. God I would love to see HBK vs. Rock at Mania, and I think we will at some point, but not now.

 

[Tyler44]

Yeah signing a bunch of part-timers is truly the smartest thing to do, that doesn't breath of desperation knowing full well your current batch of entertainers are unable to get anybody to care about them. But then again that's Vinces vault for making everyone act and look the same.

Well before The Rock was here and before Lesnar and Heyman's return, you still had this current batch of entertainers. They were performing like usual. And well, who do you classify in this group? Is it The Miz, Ziggler, Swagger, Ryder, Del Rio, Alex Riley, Brodus Clay, Rhodes, Kofi, Slater, Barrett?

I hope it was, because that was basically the WWE's mid-card. I don't know everyone's current eyesight status, but I hope we're not blind enough to realize how poor that truly is. They are poor at entertaining in the ring when their time comes. Unfortunately the way things work in WWE is money draws first, but you'll get your shot. If you don't impress in your 5 minutes, what good will you do? Sorry, but none of these guys are stars, and only 2 have potential to be forced into the main event regularly for the long-term. I personally am speaking from my point of view, but I believe my point of view is shared by many, and hated by many.

So if you were a business with a declining audience and fading value, isn't it an obvious given to go get someone people want to see?

So no I would not classify WWE "clever" for these pick ups, I'd classify it as desperately covering their asses because they've been missing on talent since you all thought John Morrison was the next big thing. It's Ziggler now, right?

 

[Mustang Sally]

Well before The Rock was here and before Lesnar and Heyman's return, you still had this current batch of entertainers. They were performing like usual. And well, who do you classify in this group? Is it The Miz, Ziggler, Swagger, Ryder, Del Rio, Alex Riley, Brodus Clay, Rhodes, Kofi, Slater, Barrett?

When it's put that way, the current group of "stars" in WWE at present does seem pretty weak, no? Plainly, the reason deals are being made with Rock and Brock is that there's a current lack of top rank performers. Sure, it's easy to say: "Find us the next Austin! Or Rock! Or Hogan!"

Easy to say, yet seemingly impossible to do it. Thank heavens we have Cena, and are bound to have him for a long time. He's at that top level ....and it's a damn good thing he is, because without him, I don't know where WWE would be right now. Sure, you've got tons of people who boo him (on cue) at the arena, and are constantly giving us the whole "Cena sux!" chants as if they actually want WWE to get rid of him. To my view, these people are shortsighted.....and just plain wrong. It implies we don't even realize how much we'd miss Cena if he were gone. Personally, I'd rather appreciate him while he's here.

Of course, this leaves the guys WWE is looking to push to the top; the prime candidate apparently being Ziggler. I like Dolph, I really do. My problem is that I'm sick of him due to having to watch him on each and every episode of Raw and Smackdown. I can't believe the way WWE is shoving him down our throats, as if figuring that giving us more and more of him will transform him into the next ring immortal. Then, my fear is that if they do push him all the way to the championship, they're going to give him even more TV exposure, which I think will totally burn him out because management is trying to make the next Austin/Rock/Hogan/Cena out of him......but he just isn't in their league...not remotely.

The same applies to the Miz. He was pushed straight to the title....and I got so tired of him I didn't want to watch his matches anymore. Since he's been back after his apparent demotion and vacation, I can take him in limited doses.

Tell WWE to find us the next Austin/Rock/Hogan/Cena? Fine, but just pushing guys to the stars isn't going to make that man appear. Except for Cena, we're in a down period for mega-stars now....and that's the reason we've brought in the part-timers like Rock and Brock. It's a good (albeit defensive) strategy, given that we need the old legends until such time as we can build new ones.

 

[Fire Marshall Bill]

When it's put that way, the current group of "stars" in WWE at present does seem pretty weak, no? Plainly, the reason deals are being made with Rock and Brock is that there's a current lack of top rank performers. Sure, it's easy to say: "Find us the next Austin! Or Rock! Or Hogan!"

Easy to say, yet seemingly impossible to do it. Thank heavens we have Cena, and are bound to have him for a long time. He's at that top level ....and it's a damn good thing he is, because without him, I don't know where WWE would be right now. Sure, you've got tons of people who boo him (on cue) at the arena, and are constantly giving us the whole "Cena sux!" chants as if they actually want WWE to get rid of him. To my view, these people are shortsighted.....and just plain wrong. It implies we don't even realize how much we'd miss Cena if he were gone. Personally, I'd rather appreciate him while he's here.

Of course, this leaves the guys WWE is looking to push to the top; the prime candidate apparently being Ziggler. I like Dolph, I really do. My problem is that I'm sick of him due to having to watch him on each and every episode of Raw and Smackdown. I can't believe the way WWE is shoving him down our throats, as if figuring that giving us more and more of him will transform him into the next ring immortal. Then, my fear is that if they do push him all the way to the championship, they're going to give him even more TV exposure, which I think will totally burn him out because management is trying to make the next Austin/Rock/Hogan/Cena out of him......but he just isn't in their league...not remotely.

The same applies to the Miz. He was pushed straight to the title....and I got so tired of him I didn't want to watch his matches anymore. Since he's been back after his apparent demotion and vacation, I can take him in limited doses.

Tell WWE to find us the next Austin/Rock/Hogan/Cena? Fine, but just pushing guys to the stars isn't going to make that man appear. Except for Cena, we're in a down period for mega-stars now....and that's the reason we've brought in the part-timers like Rock and Brock. It's a good (albeit defensive) strategy, given that we need the old legends until such time as we can build new ones.

Good post as always Sally. I'm just waiting for the inevitable "but they push Cena down our throats!!!" The difference is Cena is on Raw exclusively (minus the 40 minutes of recaps on every Smackdown! ). Ziggler has been on every Raw and Smackdown for weeks. And briefly, I was hoping they would have him drop Vickie and give him a push and see if he can make it - shit or get off the pot with him, so to speak - but after hearing him on commentary this past Smackdown, I feel I was wrong and completely understand why they've kept Vickie with him. He's cut the occasional decent promo, but usually he's pretty average, and I found him pretty abysmal on commentary. I never thought I'd think it, but I actually was hoping for Vickie to speak.

It's a shame because I don't know who else they currently have that can make it to such a high level. A lot of people around here like Barrett, but I don't see it. Maybe his new character will push him higher (though his music certainly won't help). I see a lot of potential in the The Miz. Even as a heel he was extremely likeable. A face turn down the road could maybe make him explode.

Either way, the current time has obviously produced so little major talent that bringing in past icons is the best way to bring in viewers. It's sad, but true.

 

[Kizzani]

Where is the clever part?

Triple H is going to stop wrestling and take business serious for a change. Maybe then he can stop taking on shitty pet projects like Sin Cara and more that really aren't worth a damn.

HBK having another match against a HORRIBLE worker like Lesnar. I am a huge Michaels fan and would hate to see him time wasted with that talent less terd. DX vs Lesnar at survivor series seriously will all the talent the WWE has why bring back Roadie, BA gunn and X pac. Then you talk about Goldberg, and Basista why would they want to pay big money for a weak event like survivor series. The Series hasn't been hot since they did away with the 4 man team formats.

Batista still hasn't had his first match in UFC once he does he will win just like all of the rest of the pro wrestlers that join the Ultimate ( not really) Fighting ( sometimes) Championship ( yeah whatever). Watch the newest UFC event then go watch the first one. Then you can see what REAL UFC is. I digress, Batista will win a few before facing real fighters and getting his ass handed to him. Why would he come back to the WWE when money is his goal via acting not hanging with the WWE.

There is nothing Clever about the WWE, and unfortunately that is my brand. Which means I am stuck watching the same old shit over and over again. No young talent getting pushed the same old cm flunk, same old john Cena, Miz, Orton, Sheamus blah blah blah. Expect a Cena team to contain Truth, Kofi and maybe Rey vs Punk, PTP and Sin Cara.

 

[rge2010]

Where is the clever part?

Triple H is going to stop wrestling and take business serious for a change. Maybe then he can stop taking on shitty pet projects like Sin Cara and more that really aren't worth a damn.

HBK having another match against a HORRIBLE worker like Lesnar. I am a huge Michaels fan and would hate to see him time wasted with that talent less terd. DX vs Lesnar at survivor series seriously will all the talent the WWE has why bring back Roadie, BA gunn and X pac. Then you talk about Goldberg, and Basista why would they want to pay big money for a weak event like survivor series. The Series hasn't been hot since they did away with the 4 man team formats.

Batista still hasn't had his first match in UFC once he does he will win just like all of the rest of the pro wrestlers that join the Ultimate ( not really) Fighting ( sometimes) Championship ( yeah whatever). Watch the newest UFC event then go watch the first one. Then you can see what REAL UFC is. I digress, Batista will win a few before facing real fighters and getting his ass handed to him. Why would he come back to the WWE when money is his goal via acting not hanging with the WWE.

There is nothing Clever about the WWE, and unfortunately that is my brand. Which means I am stuck watching the same old shit over and over again. No young talent getting pushed the same old cm flunk, same old john Cena, Miz, Orton, Sheamus blah blah blah. Expect a Cena team to contain Truth, Kofi and maybe Rey vs Punk, PTP and Sin Cara.

Lesnar is a great worker. His two matches since he came back have been very impressive. He is a legit my friend. Also, Batista isn't in UFC. I think you have your wires crossed.

 

[Tyler44]

When it's put that way, the current group of "stars" in WWE at present does seem pretty weak, no? Plainly, the reason deals are being made with Rock and Brock is that there's a current lack of top rank performers. Sure, it's easy to say: "Find us the next Austin! Or Rock! Or Hogan!"

Easy to say, yet seemingly impossible to do it. Thank heavens we have Cena, and are bound to have him for a long time. He's at that top level ....and it's a damn good thing he is, because without him, I don't know where WWE would be right now. Sure, you've got tons of people who boo him (on cue) at the arena, and are constantly giving us the whole "Cena sux!" chants as if they actually want WWE to get rid of him. To my view, these people are shortsighted.....and just plain wrong. It implies we don't even realize how much we'd miss Cena if he were gone. Personally, I'd rather appreciate him while he's here.

Of course, this leaves the guys WWE is looking to push to the top; the prime candidate apparently being Ziggler. I like Dolph, I really do. My problem is that I'm sick of him due to having to watch him on each and every episode of Raw and Smackdown. I can't believe the way WWE is shoving him down our throats, as if figuring that giving us more and more of him will transform him into the next ring immortal. Then, my fear is that if they do push him all the way to the championship, they're going to give him even more TV exposure, which I think will totally burn him out because management is trying to make the next Austin/Rock/Hogan/Cena out of him......but he just isn't in their league...not remotely.

The same applies to the Miz. He was pushed straight to the title....and I got so tired of him I didn't want to watch his matches anymore. Since he's been back after his apparent demotion and vacation, I can take him in limited doses.

Tell WWE to find us the next Austin/Rock/Hogan/Cena? Fine, but just pushing guys to the stars isn't going to make that man appear. Except for Cena, we're in a down period for mega-stars now....and that's the reason we've brought in the part-timers like Rock and Brock. It's a good (albeit defensive) strategy, given that we need the old legends until such time as we can build new ones.

I didn't even bother going in this direction in my original post, but you absolutely are correct.

Very glad I was not the only one. I've been saying this exact same thing for years now. WWE's talent and star power is lacking so miserably. They've done well with CM Punk, but other than him, the main event is still old stars who've been in the spot light forever.

It's bad.

 

[J.J.]

There's just no pleasing some of you. Talk about needing new stars and then I'm reading some of you wanting HBK to wrestle. No more in-ring DX returns, we'be seen it how many times. HBK went out the perfect way, why tarnish that? I can't see him returning, especially with his dabbing into reality TV.

Where's the clever bit?

Why the Austin discussions? As it was pointed out, by no means do I see him coming back to perform anything less than a Wrestlemania main event. Just not seeing it at the next Wrestlemania - one in Dallas seems more realistic.

Cena has the torch? When was last time you seen a 10+ time champion needing the torch passed to them. When I think of passing the torch its like Rock putting Ziggler over.

I enjoy the older stars, you can't always put championships strictly on your rising stars, then you run into situations like with Jack Swagger.

 

[theBec2101]

I thought Summer Slam didnt do aswell I what they thought it was. I didnt think the Brock vs HHH match was that good. The kimura arm lock looks too fake(almost as bad as Del Rios Arm bar) Brock cant talk and comes off really stupid. And by the way he only did one submission in the the UFC and that was a arm triangle after he just laid on someone the entire round. and about his UFC career thats a whole other argument for another forum.
As for the Rock, Huge fan. But if I cant see he him every week or maybe every other week, not worth it. By the time he comes back it like what is the story again with him?
I do think they need to spend more time with the people they have now. Especially with the tag division and the US and INT divisions.

 

[BaraaTZK92]

I hate to disappoint you but saying that WWE is smart isn't smart at all.

And Cena getting the baton passed to him.....lol

How in the world would you pass the baton to a 12-time world champion and a record 10-time WWE champion?!

He already got the baton passed to him 6 years ago when he beat HHH at WM22 and HBK at WM23.

 

[tripleddd]

The Baton - its more the nod as Hogan did to The Rock - who was allready a multiple world champion - The Rock left a couple of years after that match and whether Cena stays for 1 year or 10 its the torch being passed.

 

[enviousdominous]

It's hard to rate their cleverness when it's impossible to know how things would have turned out if they did something a little different here or there.

I can honestly say that their cleverness doesn't happen without a series of stupid fucking mistakes to compare it to.

Brock returning was awesome and clever. He returned to beat the shit out of Cena, which wouldn't matter if most of us didn't hate Cena for being fucking boring on behalf of the writing team's lack of cleverness.




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[Natural Selection]

Don't forget that they made Lesnar lose to Cena in the most stupid decision in pro wrestling history.

Hogan vs Goldberg on Nitro was the stupidest decision in pro wrestling history. Not Cena beating Lesnar. That's just my two cents thou