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Are "Big Returns" Bad For The WWE Long Term?

Returns are good for buisness. there might not be a long term if they dont continue to use their old stars. rock, y2j, and lesnar have many years left in this business, you dont know who will get big before they are acctualy done with wrestling
 
The Rock, HBK & Triple H were brought back to television to help with the build for big drawing WM matches. It'll probably be a loooong time before we see HBK again. I'm betting that it'll be several months at least before The Rock pops back up and I expect Trips' on-screen role to be reduced to making rare appearances.

As far as Brock Lesnar goes, the guy's a cash cow. Having him on the roster only means bigger pay days for other guys. From what I understand, according to reports on Lesnar's deal, he's not just going to be around just to help build WM. His deal requires at least two appearances per month, most of which will be on tv or ppvs with possibly a few sporadic appearances at big house shows from time to time. So Lesnar will be wrestling before WM. He might not be working a full time schedule, but it's far more extensive than Rock's appearances. As for what MMA fans might think, personally, I don't give a shit and I doubt most wrestling fans do either. I'm not a fan of MMA, it bores the crap out of me most of the time.

Just because Lesnar is returning doesn't mean he's simply going to mow down all the younger talent on the roster. I know a lot of so called wrestling purists aren't thrilled with Lesnar's return and I can understand to some degree. I do think he's just there for the money and his heart really doesn't lie in wrestling. However, wrestling is a business. WWE is a business and the goal of a business is to put more money in the bank. At the end of the day, whomever on the WWE roster might bitch and moan about how much attention Lesnar gets but he'll not complain about the extra change in his pocket that Lesnar's presence could mean.
 
In reality, it all comes down to these younger guys bitching and moaning not making the most of their airtime when they know people will be tuning in to see Rock/Brock/HBK/HHH/Taker. A few have made a name for themselves without having their hands held by creative (Bryan's YES! is the first that comes to mind).
 
actually the WWE live in the past and that's the proof of incompetence of Bookers and scénarist of WWE.
All theses return sign the death of the WWE like the WCW in the 90's,the world of wrestling is definitively strange.
 
no these returns bring much more exposure to the product, you say younger guys will get held back but CM Punk is STILL WWE Champion, the new World Heavyweight champion is Sheamus who is a young guy. RAW monday had both Rock and Lesnar, yet Daniel Bryan stoll the show without even speaking.


Now I was 14 years old when brock left, I'm 22 years old now. I live in a small town with very few big wrestling fans, even less "smart fans" who understand the product like I do. The few friends I had that watched wrestling when I was 14 have stopped unless they happen to be hanging out with me while I'm watching it.

Now with these people the biggest reason I hear from them why they dont watch pro wrestling any more is "It's to fake I'd rather watch UFC which is real." those people who follow UFC know that Brock Lesnar can fight. Which will help Legitimize Brock, as well as every single person who steps into the ring with him from this point on.
 
No it's not bad.

WWE is always looking to make new stars. Having old guys come in, brings more eyes to the product. This means that more people see Dolph Ziggler. So, when the day comes that the older guys can no longer go, people know who Ziggler is.
 
I'm not too fond of all the returns. I thought I would be, but here's the thing.

The old guys are only here to feud with Cena. They create their own tier above everything else. As long as they're around, the Championship picture suddenly looks less important. What essentially makes up the main event scene gets bumped down to the midcard, and in turn, the midcarders get bumped down because while guys like Ziggler, Swagger, Miz, etc. are going to get crapped on, they "can't" be left off the card. No real midcard is allowed to form, and no midcarders get TV time unless they're a comedy act or a jobber.
 
I'm not too fond of all the returns. I thought I would be, but here's the thing.

The old guys are only here to feud with Cena. They create their own tier above everything else. As long as they're around, the Championship picture suddenly looks less important. What essentially makes up the main event scene gets bumped down to the midcard, and in turn, the midcarders get bumped down because while guys like Ziggler, Swagger, Miz, etc. are going to get crapped on, they "can't" be left off the card. No real midcard is allowed to form, and no midcarders get TV time unless they're a comedy act or a jobber.
this really isn't the case though. one slot that would normally go to a guy like Orton is now going to Lesnar. For the most part, everyone else is on the show. It's not "comedy" acts that get on, it's OVER acts. If more people are watching for these returns, then more people see these midcarders right?

I feel like the IWC is so trained to be pessemistic that they can't ever actually look at something positively. I don't see how higher numbers is ever a bad thing. It's not like the ENTIRE SHOW was based on Lesnar. They, for the most part, give each segment its due.
 
No they aren't bad and the reason why is because these are not one off returns. Sure Rock isn't around full time but he will be around a lot more frequently. Lesnar will be around quite often as well and at 34 and in great shape has something to offer to wrestling and the WWE. The common locker room standpoint is, oh this guy is taking up time where i could be on screen. But the bottom line is those guys need to prove they need to be in a position where they get spotlight. Just being young and having talent doesn't mean they deserve a spot over a past proven talent.
 
Lesnar return is horrific for WWE. He only wants to get money and stay in the public eye, he has no respect for the business, other wrestlers or anything but his next paycheck. His health forced him to retire from MMA, so he saw the money opportunity to return to WWE, thinking it will be 'soft' for him after MMA. But while the matches will be scripted up the wazoo, performing in a WWE ring will be just as taxing as an MMA match, and since he'll likely have to fight more ofter in WWE (even if only once a month) that's still more then UFC where you might fight 3-4 times a year.
This is a waste of time and money by WWE. Money that could have been spent on several new talents who have real passion for the business instead of greed made flesh like Lesnar. What next, Sable returning?
 
It depends, if they can still go and still contribute then I don't see any harm in it. Sometimes it refreshing to see wrestlers you haven't seen in a long time coming back for a feud or two. That's what Brock Lesnar and The Rock bring to the table. If on the other hand you see someone who is broken down and looks just plain pathetic in the ring then no I don't want to watch it.
 
Firstly, I want to say that this is a great forum topic. I think the answer to the proposed question isn't clear cut. If it puts over the product or talent that will be around when their temporary stays are over, it can be good for the WWE longterm.

If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd guess that Tensai/Bloom will be good for the WWE. He has seemingly never pushed his own product over that of the company, he seems willing to put anyone over, and I haven't heard anything bad about him. He's a hard working company man, solid in the ring (nothing special, but not awful), will hopefully rely on his manager or Laurinaitis for mic work, and hopefully will get one major non-title run that will end in putting over a deserving young face (ideally Kofi or someone along those lines).

Lesnar could go either way. He is usually willing to put over talent, but he's all about pushing himself and has shown that he cares very little for wrestling. While I can't knock him for not enjoying the hectic travel schedule (I probably wouldn't either), I can't imagine his presence and his inevitably huge push being good for backstage moral. He was physically a beast in the ring, but his technique was overrated in my opinion, and his mic work isn't anything special. Like I said, I hope he'll help, but I think he could go either way.

The Rock, in my opinion, had no effect long term, and I'd even go so far as to say that he may have hurt short-term. If Cena loses to Punk, Orton, Lesnar, or Ryback tomorrow, it won't mean as much as it would have before Wrestlemania. Long term, Cena will probably go back to the way he was after he's finished feuding with stars from the past, which is why I don't think the match had any longterm effects. Furthermore, with The Rock being gone and thus being unable to elevate any talent in the foreseeable future, no good came from that feud. Unless there's some kind of amazing story that Cena finds himself in that was spurred by this loss, The Rock's return failed in my eyes. I'll be glad if I'm wrong and something good does come from the Wrestlemania match, but I simply don't see how that will be possible at this rate.

As for the rest of the people you mentioned: HHH was never really gone and even had a couple of matches, HBK elevated the only program in which he was involved without putting himself over the product, and Austin hasn't really returned to the ring in any capacity.
 

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