Hulk Hogan vs. Ultimate Warrior - The very best of professional wrestling.

[Slyfox696]

I just watched this match again, and it was even better than I remember it. The storytelling is superb, and the workrate is simply unmatched by any contest in the last 20 years. The epic story of the two most incredible forces finally colliding, and the newcomer overcoming the veteran and replacing him at the top of the mountain. This match was just simply phenomenal, in so many ways.


Please post your thoughts on this match. Such thoughts can include how you were feeling when you first watched it, how old you were when you first saw it, who you wanted to win, and if you think it was a good/bad match and why.


This is a match that all new wrestlers should watch, in hopes to achieve a match of the same greatness.

 

[RVDgurl]

Believe it or not Sly, I love this match. I was a big fan of the Ultimate Warrior back in the day. At the time WM6 happened I was in 4th grade. I remember calling the 900 number around midnight (my cable company didn't have PPV capabilities yet) to see who won the match. When I got to see the match a few months later, I can clearly remember being on the edge of my seat and jumping in the air at the finish. Of course, at 8 or 9 years of age I was not aware of the impact that match had on the wrestling business.
To this day, that match is my most memorable in Wrestlemania history.

 

[Skillz]

My first memory of being a wrestling fan is watching Wrestlemania 6, and in particular this match. This was the first wrestling PPV I ever saw, and because of that, it will always be one of my favorite Wrestlemania's.

Everything about the match was great. While watching it, you really had a feeling that they were two incredible forces colliding with eachother. You really sensed that it was a true main event, well worthy of headlining Wrestlemania. You knew that they were without a doubt the two biggest stars in the WWF at the time. They were the only two wrestlers on the whole show that had to walk to the ring (in Warrior's case, run). It was such a long distance, and it just made the build-up to the match even more intriguing. The atmosphere was phenomenal, one of the best ever.

When I first watched the match I wanted Hogan to win, he was my favorite wrestler at the time, but I also loved the Warrior, so it didn't really matter. It was a fantastic match, which had an amazing story. The emotion at the end of the match just gives you goosebumps everytime you watch it. Nowadays, nothing even remotely compares to the storytelling and psychology of this match. Overall, I would definitely put this match in my top 10 all-time favorite matches.

 

[Shocky]

I think that this match has stood the test of time, and is probably the definitive match of us 20 somethings youth. I despised the Warrior, so I was fairly pissed off with the outcome of this match. I'll argue to this day that Hogan got his shoulder up at the end and he was screwed.

However, greatest match of all time? Just depends on your percpective of things. I would imagine that us twenty somethings feel this way, but I would imagine if you ask people ten years younger then us, they could give two shits about this match, and Rock/Austin at WM17 is there best match.

 

[Slim Pickns]

Going back to when I was a kid, there is only one word I can use to describe this match, epic.

As a kid I thought niether Hogan or the Warrior could be defeated. When Rick Rude beat the Warrior at the previous Wrestlemania, I was shocked. What I'm trying to say is that the WWF did an unbelievable job at building these two up and then having a showdown on the biggest stage in the business.

The match itself is still amazing to watch, mainly because I remember what I felt like years back when I watched it live at my dad's friends house who had a pirate box and stole PPV. I agree that this match has withstood the test of time and that is mainly because the storytelling and energy has yet to be topped by any match, only Hogan vs Rock comes close.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

I just watched this match again, and it was even better than I remember it. The storytelling is superb, and the workrate is simply unmatched by any contest in the last 20 years. The epic story of the two most incredible forces finally colliding, and the newcomer overcoming the veteran and replacing him at the top of the mountain. This match was just simply phenomenal, in so many ways.

Epic Story???? It was top guy v. top guy, we just seen the same thing at Wrestlemania 23. John Cena v. Shawn Michaels & Undertaker v. Batista.

And both of those matches, were better put together than Hogan/Warrior 1. Whats so glorifying about their match, that makes you NOT approve that any other since has lived up to the hype?

This is a match that all new wrestlers should watch, in hopes to achieve a match of the same greatness.

Uhm.. what?!

Their match was basically, test's of strength, no-selling left & right, body slams, power lifts, punches, chops, big boots, & leaping splashes. Not exactly what I'd call a match for the ages.. especially when you see today's matches between guys like Cena/Michaels, or Taker/Batista, or even Cena/Edge.

IN my personal opinion, Hulk Hogan & The Ultimate Warrior had a better showing at Halloween Havoc, in 1998, when gimmicks were (badly) brought in to it. The Wrestlemania VI match wasn't about pop & flash, it was about a story.. yes.. but it was badly "told." As it was two guys with not a lot of technical experience, (Hogan was average, Warrior was less than) basically powerhousing themselves around the ring for, what, 20 minutes?

I realize in today's world, matches are longer, & better put together for "show." But come on.. Bret Hart/Shawn Michaels, Wrestlemania 12.. Steve Austin/Bret Hart, Wrestlemania 13.. Kurt Angle, Brock Lesnar, Wrestlemania 19.. Chris Benoit, Triple H., Shawn Michaels, Wrestlemania 20.. John Cena/Shawn Michaels, Wrestlemania 23..

All of those matches were better done than Hogan/Warrior 1. The storylines were even better, & while that may be because of the change in time.. facts are facts, & Hogan/Warrior 1 sucked because it lacked something, that I just don't know what.

 

[Kasey]

I think for it's time the match was a prime example of luck falling into Helwig's insane lap, and was a glimpse at just how good of a wrestler Hogan WAS. I was about nine the first time I saw the match and I was admittedly hooked. Not at the technical wizardry (because let's be honest...with these two you're looking in the wrong fucking zipcode). It was the showmanship. The gimmickry was what held this thing up and turned that crowd at the Skydome into a mob of lunatics who didn't know who they were going to cheer for. The funny thing is that I know Helwig didn't know shit with regards to wrestling unless he worked with Rude, Savage, or Hogan...because they obviously did the layout. This match was so good that Hogan wrestled it again...IN THE SAME PLACE...against The Rock years later. AND IT STILL WORKED in 2002. Warrior only has about three matches that I can stomach and this is one of them. I remember being completely psyched up and jumping around my living room like a junior madman during the Wrestlemania 6 showdown that should've been Hogan's swansong. The only match I thought Warrior ever did better was next year against Savage in L.A. This is still one of my top old time matchups, though.

 

[Slyfox696]

Epic Story???? It was top guy v. top guy, we just seen the same thing at Wrestlemania 23. John Cena v. Shawn Michaels & Undertaker v. Batista.

And both of those matches, were better put together than Hogan/Warrior 1. Whats so glorifying about their match, that makes you NOT approve that any other since has lived up to the hype?

No, it wasn't just "top guy v. top guy". It was Champion vs. Champion. It was mega face vs. mega face, which had never been done before. It was the biggest draw ever, and the face of the old generation colliding with the future mega draw and the face of the future generation.

It was so much more than just "top guy v. top guy". It was monumental. It was the two biggest draws in professional wrestling going head to head. We've only seen such a mega main-event a couple times since. Hogan vs. Sting and Austin vs. Rock at WM 17. Hogan vs. Sting, while underrated as a match, suffers from booking and WM 17 we had already seen before. And, we had only seen it once before, at WM 3 Hogan vs. Andre. And, that match doesn't compare to this one.

No, Hulk Hogan vs. The Ultimate Warrior is so much bigger than just "top guy v. top guy" and three times as big as any Batista vs. Undertaker or Cena vs. HBK match.

Uhm.. what?!

Their match was basically, test's of strength, no-selling left & right, body slams, power lifts, punches, chops, big boots, & leaping splashes. Not exactly what I'd call a match for the ages.. especially when you see today's matches between guys like Cena/Michaels, or Taker/Batista, or even Cena/Edge.

IN my personal opinion, Hulk Hogan & The Ultimate Warrior had a better showing at Halloween Havoc, in 1998, when gimmicks were (badly) brought in to it. The Wrestlemania VI match wasn't about pop & flash, it was about a story.. yes.. but it was badly "told." As it was two guys with not a lot of technical experience, (Hogan was average, Warrior was less than) basically powerhousing themselves around the ring for, what, 20 minutes?

I realize in today's world, matches are longer, & better put together for "show." But come on.. Bret Hart/Shawn Michaels, Wrestlemania 12.. Steve Austin/Bret Hart, Wrestlemania 13.. Kurt Angle, Brock Lesnar, Wrestlemania 19.. Chris Benoit, Triple H., Shawn Michaels, Wrestlemania 20.. John Cena/Shawn Michaels, Wrestlemania 23..

All of those matches were better done than Hogan/Warrior 1. The storylines were even better, & while that may be because of the change in time.. facts are facts, & Hogan/Warrior 1 sucked because it lacked something, that I just don't know what.

Why does a match have to be a technical match to be good? I mean, do you consider Bret vs. Austin at WM 13 to be good? Well, obviously you did. It wasn't a technical match at all. It was an out and out brawl. Do you consider Mick Foley a bad wrestler? It's not like he ever worked a technical style.

Wrestling is so much more than various locks and holds. It's about storytelling, psychology and working a crowd. Hogan vs. Warrior did that masterfully.


Wrestlemania 6 was, as I said before, the old generation vs. the new. It was the symbol of passing the torch from Hogan to the new mega draw in Warrior. Watch the match again, and notice how it works to show Warrior in the same light as the mighty Hulk Hogan. Notice how they are evenly matched in strength. Notice how they are evenly matched in crowd reaction. Notice how they are evenly matched in resilience. WM 6 was all about showing the fans that the Ultimate Warrior was just as worth to carry the torch for Good against Evil as Hulk Hogan was. In fact, he was going to be better than Hogan was.

Finally, fast forward to the end of the match. Hogan knocks out Warrior, for a count of 6. But, there's no referee. Hogan should have won the match. Then, Warrior gets up, and knocks out Hogan for a count of 3. Warrior should have won the match right then. Finally, the referee is in position as Warrior covers...1...2...KICKOUT!

And, Hogan is Hulking Up! Just like so many men before him, The Ultimate Warrior was facing Hulk Hogans second wind, this adrenaline rush that makes him "impervious to pain" as said by Jesse Venture. Just like those before him, punches don't affect Hogan, but Hogan's punches send Warrior reeling. A bit boot to the face, a bounce off the rope for an Atomic Legdrop....

WARRIOR MOVES OUT OF THE WAY! A WARRIOR SPLASH! 1-2-3!! IT'S OVER!


The match painted Warrior as Hogan's equal. It kept Hogan looking good and Warrior looking great, in a kayfabe sense. It screamed to fans, "Hey, it's ok to like the Ultimate Warrior and trust him to fight against the forces of Evil. Because he's just as good as Hogan". Finally, after Hulking Up, which had doomed so many previous opponents, Warrior was the first man to ever cleanly pin Hogan after Hogan went to the tried and true method of getting that second burst of energy. The match ending told fans that Hogan was just as good as ever, but Ultimate Warrior was just a little better.


Now THAT is an epic story being told in one match. It was a "passing of the torch" match, and the match and story worked hand-in-hand to tell fans that this new guy, The Ultimate Warrior was every bit as worthy of their admiration as Hogan had been.

How anyone can call that a bad match, just because they didn't do a bunch of useless holds and locks which would be completely unrealistic for men of their strength and size, is amazing to me.


Professional wrestling is about so much more than random holds, locks and moves. And, that's what so many of today's wrestlers don't seem to understand. They lack an understanding about the art of professional wrestling, the storytelling which makes it so great.

And that's why all new wrestlers should use this as a basis of high quality work.

 

[hbk&triple h]

Hmmmmmm, while I do remember this match being the best of its time, to me it isn't that great. I wasn't expecting something great out of it. I thought the match was just more about slams, punches, and who is going to win. I will admit the atmosphere was great and it was cool to see these two guys go at it but that was the only positive part about it. The crowd and the story told. Other than that the match was just meh. I will admit that it has earned its way into one of the top 10 matches of all time though.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

The match painted Warrior as Hogan's equal. It kept Hogan looking good and Warrior looking great, in a kayfabe sense. It screamed to fans, "Hey, it's ok to like the Ultimate Warrior and trust him to fight against the forces of Evil. Because he's just as good as Hogan". Finally, after Hulking Up, which had doomed so many previous opponents, Warrior was the first man to ever cleanly pin Hogan after Hogan went to the tried and true method of getting that second burst of energy. The match ending told fans that Hogan was just as good as ever, but Ultimate Warrior was just a little better.


Now THAT is an epic story being told in one match. It was a "passing of the torch" match, and the match and story worked hand-in-hand to tell fans that this new guy, The Ultimate Warrior was every bit as worthy of their admiration as Hogan had been.

Okay, but if I recall.. the match ended with Hogan ALMOST kicking out, which says to the Wrestling world.. did he, or didn't he? To me, that also points out W.W.F.'s decision on being unsure whether Warrior is even remotely as close to being capable of carrying their company.

And the fan interaction will sell a match 9 times out of 10.. but back then, of course they were going to cheer these two, because back then, noone hardly cheered the bad guy, or booed the good guy. And the crowd cheered both men, because neither was bad. Not bad in the sense of being heel, anyways.

You can't compare today's generation, to that. Which is slightly what I've been doing, & I apologize for it.

 

[Slyfox696]

Okay, but if I recall.. the match ended with Hogan ALMOST kicking out, which says to the Wrestling world.. did he, or didn't he? To me, that also points out W.W.F.'s decision on being unsure whether Warrior is even remotely as close to being capable of carrying their company.

Hogan kicked out at 4. Meaning that Warrior was clearly better than Hogan, but not by much. It also kept Hogan strong for the future as well.

It was great booking. Hogan putting Warrior over as legitimate cleanly, but still keeping Hogan strong. There was no uncertainty about the pinfall, Hogan himself handed Warrior the belt. You can see Hogan on his knees after the match, pointing up to Heaven, as if to say "why not just one second sooner God?". It was a clean pinfall.

And the fan interaction will sell a match 9 times out of 10.. but back then, of course they were going to cheer these two, because back then, noone hardly cheered the bad guy, or booed the good guy. And the crowd cheered both men, because neither was bad. Not bad in the sense of being heel, anyways.

Meh, this is just a cop-out. There are plenty of times where faces get no reaction back in those days.

These two were cheered because they were special.

You can't compare today's generation, to that. Which is slightly what I've been doing, & I apologize for it.

Sure you can. It's just that so many of today's generation don't even come close to the workrate that some of those wrestlers had 15-20 years ago.

 

[Agrex]

The match was not the most interesting match I've ever seen, but there's a reason why I watched it many over because it told a great story. This match was a sort of passing of the torch (not completely though). Hogan let Warrior win cleanly, which put over Warrior, but because the match was so close it didn't seem as a job match. This match when I first saw it bored me to be honest, but I replayed and I understood the match. I wouldn't call it the very best of professional wrestling, but it was pretty good.

 

[Kasey]

Man, not to spam (and I can be warned or whatever), but Sly has officially replaced me as the king of the filibuster. From now on, anyone disagreeing with him should just quit. He argued so well with me once...I almost thought I liked John Cena. Well...almost.

On a side note...I'd really like for that guy Kaedon to come back. Just so I could see what happens between he and Sly. THAT would be much more entertaining than any of the shit on Monday nights. FACT.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Man, not to spam (and I can be warned or whatever), but Sly has officially replaced me as the king of the filibuster. From now on, anyone disagreeing with him should just quit. He argued so well with me once...I almost thought I liked John Cena. Well...almost.

I know what you mean. Its completely hard to debate Sly, not because what he says isn't true.. because he has a way with words, to make everything YOU say wrong, & turn them around to making everything he says right. But in general, to me, Sly is the greatest person to debate on these forums.

I highly enjoyed our debate over Hogan/Warrior & the Ultimate Warrior in general.

 

[natecook59]

This shouldn't be called the "very best of professional wrestling", instead it should be called the very best HYPE of professional wrestling. Vince McMahon has always been amazing at hyping up wrestlers and events and Wrestlemania 6 is a prime example of that. This story and the two characters were booked to perfection for that era.

I'll give the match some props, it was exciting. I distinctly remember rooting for Ultimate Warrior as a kid and being insanely excited when he won the Championship. But the match is entertaining for one reason only, the crowd. The crowd is super hot for this match and make it exciting. This match was an average match made into a great match because of how hot the crowd was (much like Hogan vs. Rock WM18). I respect it and have fond memories of the match from my childhood, but objectively you can not say this is the very best of professional wrestling. I could list off a ton of matches just from Wrestlemania's that are better.

 

[Dastardly1]

I agree that is was a monumental match during that time which had mega face vs mega face, champ vs champ..i was idk 8 or 9 and like most people i was split but kinda going for hogan cuz he was hogan..Knowing the politics and the way wrestling works these days it kinda sours it a bit cuz we all know now that warrior was nothing more than a asshole bodybuilder who couldn’t work a lick and didn’t give a shit about the biz and Hogan was an asshole politician who just wanted to be on top at any cost and stay there 4 ever.. No torches were passed McMahon wanted to find options outside of hulk to see if it worked which it didnt cuz warrior turned out to be a paper champ...I loved it back then tho but like i said i was 8 or 9 soooooo.....

 

[Slyfox696]

This shouldn't be called the "very best of professional wrestling", instead it should be called the very best HYPE of professional wrestling. Vince McMahon has always been amazing at hyping up wrestlers and events and Wrestlemania 6 is a prime example of that. This story and the two characters were booked to perfection for that era.

And, the match played right up to that hype, and delivered a match that the fans absolutely ate up and did so without any random spots or big spots.

How that can be called a bad wrestling match I'll never know.

I'll give the match some props, it was exciting.

Precisely.

I distinctly remember rooting for Ultimate Warrior as a kid and being insanely excited when he won the Championship. But the match is entertaining for one reason only, the crowd. The crowd is super hot for this match and make it exciting.

Wait...

You mean when you were a kid, you were insanely excited that Warrior won because the crowd was hot? Somehow, I'm not thinking so.

This match was an average match made into a great match because of how hot the crowd was (much like Hogan vs. Rock WM18).

This is exactly the point though.

If the match had sucked, or had been average, would the crowd have been as into it? Of course not. An average match sucks the crowd out of it. That's not what happened here. They were white hot, indicating a phenomenal workrate going on inside the ring.

The very fact that the crowd was that white hot, for a match with no real big spots is an indication of just how great the match is.

I respect it and have fond memories of the match from my childhood, but objectively you can not say this is the very best of professional wrestling. I could list off a ton of matches just from Wrestlemania's that are better.

Let's outline the goals of professional wrestling, and see how Warrior/Hogan measures up.

Draw a large audience: Check, it was one of the biggest main-events in history.

Tell a good story in the ring: Check, the tale of the passing of the torch from Hogan to Warrior.

Work the crowd: Check. The fact that all those people were on the edge of their seat the entire match, speaks to the workrate of the match.

Entertain the crowd: Check. I shouldn't have to explain this one.

Make Money: Check, Check, Check.


So, explain to me how it was not the very best of professional wrestling. Let me guess, because it was a match with Hogan and Ultimate Warrior right? And, the IWC thinks Hogan and Warrior suck, so the match just can't be good right?

By any set of criteria, this match ranks high in terms of good professional wrestling.

Knowing the politics and the way wrestling works these days it kinda sours it a bit cuz we all know now that warrior was nothing more than a asshole bodybuilder who couldn’t work a lick

Warrior could outwork 95% of the current group of professional wrestlers, from WWE to everyone's precious ROH.

Hogan was an asshole politician who just wanted to be on top at any cost and stay there 4 ever.

No, he was a husband and father, who was looking out for the best interest of his own well-being and that of his families.

Nobody ever said that McMahon or Bischoff had to give Hogan his contracts.

 

[Dastardly1]

Warrior could outwork 95% of the current group of professional wrestlers, from WWE to everyone's precious ROH.

No, he was a husband and father, who was looking out for the best interest of his own well-being and that of his families.

Nobody ever said that McMahon or Bischoff had to give Hogan his contracts.

Ok Look dude I understand u like the warrior and all and hey so did every1 else back in the day but to say that he can outwork 95% of the wrestlers in ROH is the silliest shit I've ever heard. Dude u must be 11 for thinking that kinda shit...I mean seriously kid have you even seen a ROH match?? i mean really watched it?? I strongly doubt you have my friend cuz I don’t think you would be saying that Jim Mother fucking Hellwig MR. 1980's run to the ring shake on the ropes hit a few bodyslams and clotheslines...oh wait forgot about the splash...what else???? oh that’s right nothing else could hang 2 mins with ANY ROH performer...from Nigel to everyone’s precious delirious (See what I did there)...No vinny mac and Bischoff didn’t have to give Hogan huge money but they did. They also didn’t tell him to be a Politician using his power to try and stay on top and keep every1 down. Absolute power corrupts absolutely...ya dig?? nah im sure you don’t

 

[Slyfox696]

Ok Look dude I understand u like the warrior and all and hey so did every1 else back in the day but to say that he can outwork 95% of the wrestlers in ROH is the silliest shit I've ever heard.

Why?

Do you even know what work rate mean?

Dude u must be 11 for thinking that kinda shit

Well, that's what my profile says, so you are clearly a very astute poster.

...I mean seriously kid have you even seen a ROH match??

Yes.

i mean really watched it??

Oh, well, now that you put it like that I'm not so certain...

I strongly doubt you have my friend cuz I don’t think you would be saying that Jim Mother fucking Hellwig MR. 1980's run to the ring shake on the ropes hit a few bodyslams and clotheslines...oh wait forgot about the splash...what else???? oh that’s right nothing else could hang 2 mins with ANY ROH performer

You've got a point.

Because, clearly number of moves in a match is directly related to ability as a professional wrestler.

...from Nigel to everyone’s precious delirious (See what I did there)

Yes, but I don't understand your point.

...No vinny mac and Bischoff didn’t have to give Hogan huge money but they did. They also didn’t tell him to be a Politician using his power to try and stay on top and keep every1 down. Absolute power corrupts absolutely...ya dig?? nah im sure you don’t

Right.

Because Hulk Hogan is so good, that he can play politics and keep other people down when he doesn't even have a contract with a wrestling company right?

Damn that Hulk Hogan.


Of course it has to be Hogan's fault. Can't be Bischoff's fault for giving Hogan creative control. Can't be McMahon's fault for signing Hogan to numerous contracts, knowing full well that Hogan would want to win his match. No, clearly it's Hogan right? Because he never put anyone over...like Warrior, or Sting, or Goldberg, or Billy Kidman, or The Rock, or Kurt Angle, or Brock Lesnar...right?

 

[Ogerz]

WOW, this is going WAYYYYYY back for me. I was 15 at the time of this match, and as much as I would like to disagree with this being a defining momment in WWF(E) history, it was. Best match ever for wrestlemania is a stretch, but definatly a first in wrestling.

My absolute favorite to this point has to be Angle vs Lesner. That match was action packed from begining to end. But this is an opinion, and Sly's opinion seems to be one sided and he seems to feel that his opinions are absolute. One poster says that he is the best debater, I would say more along the lines of egomaniac and having the ability to make valid points. But making valid points doesn't make him right.

But, I have to give the kid props recognizing good matches.

 

[kieran_devlin]

This shouldn't be called the "very best of professional wrestling", instead it should be called the very best HYPE of professional wrestling. Vince McMahon has always been amazing at hyping up wrestlers and events and Wrestlemania 6 is a prime example of that. This story and the two characters were booked to perfection for that era.

I agree, completely no disrespect to any Hogan or Warrior but fans i think Hogan and Warrior were shitty wrestlers coz they had crappy movesets were boring in ring and had fucking juiced up bodies.

BUT they were good at doing promos and storylines this is what got them popular not their ability i mean half of the WWF at the time prolly had better finishers than Hogan and when ever Hogan did a Hulk up i though it was a load of bull shit but as i said they were fucking popular.

The match was booked superbly had a great build up and was good in terms of what they could do. At the time it was the best but as time progresses there have been better matchups.

 

[Skillz]

I agree, completely no disrespect to any Hogan or Warrior but fans i think Hogan and Warrior were shitty wrestlers coz they had crappy movesets were boring in ring and had fucking juiced up bodies.

I don't think you could have said anything more ridiculous.

First of all, moveset has nothing to do with being a good wrestler. It's what you do with the moves you have that makes you a good wrestler. And, boring in the ring? Are you kidding me? Is that why they were such huge draws, because they were boring? No, they were very, very entertaining. When they entered a ring, the crowd went absolutely nuts. That wouldn't have happened if they were boring.

The match was booked superbly had a great build up and was good in terms of what they could do. At the time it was the best but as time progresses there have been better matchups.

At the time, it was great. And now, it's still great. Nothing today comes close to this match. In terms of storytelling, psychology and working a crowd, this match is simply one of the greatest of all time.

 

[Shep17]

I just watched this match again, and it was even better than I remember it. The storytelling is superb, and the workrate is simply unmatched by any contest in the last 20 years. TQUOTE]


WOW, the workrate was got great for those two individuals in the last 20 years, but good god, you are not saying that their workrate was better than anything else in the last 20 years are you?

Workrate is way more than shaking the ring ropes and giving the big boot. Workrate at that era was Ric Flair & Ricky Steamboat, not Hogan & Warrior. Look, I Mark for both of those guys, but I was never confused by the fact that they could ever give me 20 minutes of action/

 

[Uncle Sam]

I'll be honest and probably get my arse handed to me for it. I don't like the match. That's not saying that I don't appreciate that it was a good match, a match of epic proportions. After viewing it several times on a VHS I have (I didn't start watching wrestling until years after 1990) I appreciate how huge it was at the time, with the whole meeting of the mega powers thing.

However, I do find it a boring match. It's slow-paced and the story behind it, although I understand it, means nothing to me watching it what - 18 years later? At the time, I think I would have loved the match, but I'm not the kind of guy that goes back and looks up old PPVs and thinks, "wow, this is awesome." I look them up out of interest and usually don't like them. That's just me though and, as Sly has proved on numerous occasions, I'm a moron. So don't listen to me. That's not sarcasm either.

As someone said, someone from my generation would have Rock/Austin in place of this. Which I do, by the way.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

I'll be honest and probably get my arse handed to me for it. I don't like the match. That's not saying that I don't appreciate that it was a good match, a match of epic proportions. After viewing it several times on a VHS I have (I didn't start watching wrestling until years after 1990) I appreciate how huge it was at the time, with the whole meeting of the mega powers thing.

However, I do find it a boring match. It's slow-paced and the story behind it, although I understand it, means nothing to me watching it what - 18 years later? At the time, I think I would have loved the match, but I'm not the kind of guy that goes back and looks up old PPVs and thinks, "wow, this is awesome." I look them up out of interest and usually don't like them. That's just me though and, as Sly has proved on numerous occasions, I'm a moron. So don't listen to me. That's not sarcasm either.

As someone said, someone from my generation would have Rock/Austin in place of this. Which I do, by the way.

I agree. I don't think that the match is anything special. A great match will stand out if you watch it on mute. But without the crowd reaction it's an average match. Ring psychology? Pfft. It doesn't mean nothing if the match isn't good.