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Thoughts on all of this?
Thoughts on all of this?
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Heat on Flair, Again
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bigandpissed
Pre-Show Stalwart
They need to fire his conceded ass ASAP... He sets a shitty example for the locker room and he has been nothing but a bratty diva since he's arrived. Its sad that we had to see the true ric flair (an arrogant dick). As a wrestler he's an all time great, but as a person he's shittier than two girls one cup.
rondiesel2005
Getting Noticed By Management
it is crazy, i mean the only reason why ric Flair was there is because of money. Now he pulling a Matt Hardy which is stupid. TNA better start thing quick right now, I know Dixie will not fire Ric Flair right away, she is too nice to fire anyone. I have a feeling we not going to see Ric Flair anytime soon
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
The main question I have is at what point is he just not worth it anymore? Let's consider things here. Flair is 62 years old, and I'm being 100% serious when I say this, and a massive heart attack waiting to happen. With the decades of abuse and partying this guy has done, is anyone going to be surprised when his heart explodes, perhaps in the ring? Flair has seemed to be one headache after another. How much good has he actually done? His main contribution has been insane promos that are entertaining because Flair sounds completely out of his mind. His matches are really just there for nostalgia value and beating Flair doesn't mean much. Simply because he used to be great doesn't mean that beating him makes you a great wrestler now. If you can't beat a man on the verge of Social Security eligibility, why should we believe you can beat a younger star? On top of that he keeps doing all kinds of embarrassing things like this outside of the ring. He couldn't go out for two minutes, say WOO a few times and say how awesome New York City is? He skipped the Harley Race show in Missouri a few months ago and there was the Europe thing a few months ago as well.
In short, I don't think Flair is worth it anymore, not at all.
In short, I don't think Flair is worth it anymore, not at all.
Brian in Austin
Getting Noticed By Management
My thoughts are that TNA got what they paid for. A guy desperate for work and money with a withering reputation in and out of the ring. Yet another great signing by a company who just doesn't do "due diligence."
What did they expect from a guy who doesnt even know when its time to hang up the boots? He was literally forced to retire and good that it happened. It doesnt matter how experienced you are, you have no right to show up late and on top of that disrespect the fans. Flair is supposed to set an example for the new generation of guys backstage but all he's done since being in TNA is act like a self centered a-hole. If TNA werent so desperate for anyone who used to work for WWE and still has some sort of notoriety they would've disciplined him a long time ago.
i guess he stopped caring about the fans after all these years, what a shame. i must agree though, since returning to TNA he has seemed to change a lot. i think that TNA should fire the nature boy as he is making TNA look bad and is now hurting his own name. its pretty bad when other wrestlers in TNA are making mention of this.
yoshi_doce2006
Getting Noticed By Management
Ric Flair has reportedly done a great job back stage mentoring Matt Morgan, AJ Styles, Robert Roode, and Jay Lethal, however the question is how long are you willing to put up with the headache that comes along with him. This isn't 1985, this isn't 1998, and this isn't 2001. Ric isn't the only true WORLD Heavyweight Champion, he isn't the best wrestler in the world, and he doesn't still draw thousands of fans just to see him.
So is his mentoring of they young guys worth the 62 year old acting like he is still thirty five or forty? Bobby Heenan called Flair "Larry Flint" in his 2004 Hall of Fame Speech, in my opinion TNA can not afford to have Larry Flint hanging around the locker room if he can't back up his arrogance and ego, and at this stage in his career Flair can't back it up.
So is his mentoring of they young guys worth the 62 year old acting like he is still thirty five or forty? Bobby Heenan called Flair "Larry Flint" in his 2004 Hall of Fame Speech, in my opinion TNA can not afford to have Larry Flint hanging around the locker room if he can't back up his arrogance and ego, and at this stage in his career Flair can't back it up.
16mikeytot
DAMN My Ex-Gf just got implants!!!
Well I'll just give my thoughts on the entire outlook rather than just the Flair situation. I believe Tna as a whole lacks leadership. I think they lack a true boss who everyone is intimidated of. It seems like Tna has a bunch of guys in their locker room who think they are bigger than the company I'm talking about guys like Rvd, Ric Flair, and The Hardy Boys. I feel as if these guys think hey we don't need this company we came from bigger and better wrestling promotions where we wrestled in front of ten times as many fans they need us we don't need them we're already established stars. When you have guys like Flair showing up whenever he wants to and guys like Rvd talking about how he is Tna and
how the x division is a copy of himself or the hardys showing up drunk or talking about if any fans attended any live events they weren't at that shows they think their bigger than their brand and Tna are fools for keeping these guys around rather than use the styles and the joes better because they feel as if they need the guys from other promotions to succed.
how the x division is a copy of himself or the hardys showing up drunk or talking about if any fans attended any live events they weren't at that shows they think their bigger than their brand and Tna are fools for keeping these guys around rather than use the styles and the joes better because they feel as if they need the guys from other promotions to succed.
yoshi_doce2006
Getting Noticed By Management
I'm one of their fans and I say this makes them look bad. Dixie Carter doesnt fire anybody so if I was Eric Bischoff I would book Flair for every autograph signing/house show there was until his appearances ran out on his contract.
Its sad and embarrasing indeed.. Ric flair is an all-time great in the ring but a total jackass apparently outside of it!!!! I ask myself has he always been like this. He skipped Harley races appearance not that long ago. TNA needs to fire him ASAP!! He is a terrible example of how to act like a professional.
Isnt he damn there 65 or something!! Its sad to hear something like this happened. Flair just needs to go away forever!! Its sad but thats how i feel!! Flair needs to grow up act like a pro show up thank the fans for paying for your mansion jets women whatever the hell he has
Isnt he damn there 65 or something!! Its sad to hear something like this happened. Flair just needs to go away forever!! Its sad but thats how i feel!! Flair needs to grow up act like a pro show up thank the fans for paying for your mansion jets women whatever the hell he hasbigandpissed
Pre-Show Stalwart
I have a question for all the people blaming TNA... I may be wrong (I haven't been on the dirt sheets that long), but I don't remember any reports of him acting so unprofessional before his latest run with TNA. If this is the case, how the fuck would TNA know that he would suddenly turn into a self centered sack of shit, who won't give the fans 5 minutes of his time?
Nice generic TNA insult... FYI they have been disciplining him for awhile by completely removing him from the show for about a month (and from the looks of it he won't be back any time soon).
Nice generic TNA insult
... FYI they have been disciplining him for awhile by completely removing him from the show for about a month (and from the looks of it he won't be back any time soon).Flair doesn't want to work for TNA. End of story. For 30 years he's talked about being the main event and leer jet flying. Now he's a manager at the Impact Zone. He fucked up his lifetime deal with WWE and now he has to work for a company he doesn't like. I'd just fire him.
itssoeasy123
Championship Contender
Ric Flair doing promo's and being a manager is entertaining and alway's will be. Ric Flair is the ring is hard to watch. I seriously wish TNA would either have him in more promo's and backstage skit's to keep him satisfied, or get rid of him. He's really not a draw anymore, he's 62 year's old, he really should'nt be competing anymore at the stage of the career he is in.
I think Flair went to TNA for the money, to pay of his divorce payment, and the Higspot's fiasco he had to deal with. Now, he need's even more money since all that is payed off, and I think TNA should really look forward the future of where their going ith Flair. Just get him drunk and have him have a 20 minute promo with Scott Steiner every week, that might make me watch TNA again.
I think Flair went to TNA for the money, to pay of his divorce payment, and the Higspot's fiasco he had to deal with. Now, he need's even more money since all that is payed off, and I think TNA should really look forward the future of where their going ith Flair. Just get him drunk and have him have a 20 minute promo with Scott Steiner every week, that might make me watch TNA again.
Thank you? You act as if I said anything that wasnt true. Do you honestly want me to name the former WWE stars that are in TNA right now and dont deserve it? Lets start with Jeff whos had his drug problems, what professional organization hires a guy with pending drug charges? Only TNA. Matt Hardy, extremely unprofessional, embarassed WWE and later tried to blame them when his failure in the company was entirely his fault. And now I'm sad to add Ric Flair to the list, a guy we all used to look up to. You know that in WWE this kind of stuff wouldnt fly by all too well. I'm the first guy to stick up for TNA on many occasions but their lust for former WWE stars is going to be their downfall. Its like Flair can literally say "what are they gunna do, fire me?", because you and I both know thats not going to happen.Nice generic TNA insult
bigandpissed
Pre-Show Stalwart
Um.. you kinda did say something thats not true. You said that they should have disciplined ric flair a long time ago and I simply pointed out that they already have been disciplining him for over a month.
As for the generic TNA insults, the whole TNA takes whatever talent the WWE gets rid of is a over used generic ass excuse for people to sit here and trash on TNA. As is the whole hardys a druggie thing, for fucks sake the dude hasn't been part of the shows for months.
On top of that the statement of who hires a guy with pending drug charges makes me fucking laugh considering in the 90's Vince McMahon himself was on trial for distributing illegal drugs.
As for the generic TNA insults, the whole TNA takes whatever talent the WWE gets rid of is a over used generic ass excuse for people to sit here and trash on TNA. As is the whole hardys a druggie thing, for fucks sake the dude hasn't been part of the shows for months.
On top of that the statement of who hires a guy with pending drug charges makes me fucking laugh considering in the 90's Vince McMahon himself was on trial for distributing illegal drugs.
Seems like he wants out but isn't man enough to ask for his release like Foley did. He hasn't just stopped caring about wrestling and the fans, he was almost sent to jail for not fulfilling his obligations.
One other possibility is a severe bout with depression. When you look at the big picture over the last several months every thing he has done is a sign of depression. It doesn't make anything he did or did not do alright but it should set off a red flag to those around him.
One other possibility is a severe bout with depression. When you look at the big picture over the last several months every thing he has done is a sign of depression. It doesn't make anything he did or did not do alright but it should set off a red flag to those around him.
New Hot Fed
Championship Contender
BTW I wonder why we don't see Flair on screen and if his actions in New York have to do with him already being mad at TNA?
The "Blueprint"
Occasional Pre-Show
It seems nowadays when former WWE talent jump ship to TNA they become Divas. They give half ass in ring performances, bring absolutely nothing new to the table and expect to collect a big pay check for their efforts, or lack there of. When you saw guys like Kurt Angle and Christian cross over they did so not only for themselves but for the better of the company. Flair is too old to benefit this company in any capacity nor do i seriously believe he cares about TNA. The only reason he's there is because WWE retired him. And guys like Rob Van Dam don't give a shit about bringing TNA to the next level nor can they. TNA should be signing young fresh faces not these unemployed spoiled divas.
When I watch a guy like Mr. Anderson I can see that he's there for the better and not just cruising on his name to collect a paycheck. This will continue to happen until TNA realizes who's beneficial and who's not and begin trimming the fat. Of course they'd believe that a Rob Van Dam or a Jeff Hardy or a Ric Flair will draw money because they have done so in the past. But with the attitude they come in with ("Oh theres No Wellness Policies, hey have light schedules, and Big Payoffs for former WWE champions") they arent going to provide you with anything.
Basically TNA got what they paid for, a diva.
When I watch a guy like Mr. Anderson I can see that he's there for the better and not just cruising on his name to collect a paycheck. This will continue to happen until TNA realizes who's beneficial and who's not and begin trimming the fat. Of course they'd believe that a Rob Van Dam or a Jeff Hardy or a Ric Flair will draw money because they have done so in the past. But with the attitude they come in with ("Oh theres No Wellness Policies, hey have light schedules, and Big Payoffs for former WWE champions") they arent going to provide you with anything.
Basically TNA got what they paid for, a diva.
Hollywood Naitch
The current reigning and defending
I agree. I am seriously worried about Flair every time he competes. He has abused his body so much over the years, and he is an old guy anyway now. Look at him when he is out there cutting a promo, red faced, veins bulging, eyes crazy, the guy is really at risk of a heart attack. I think he should give it up, for his own good. Would he rather live longer, or die in the ring? Knowing Flair probably the second as it would make him even more famous.
Yeah, again I agree. While saying you have beat a legend like Ric Flair still has meaning, perhaps it only really means something any more to the Flair mark who has actually pinned him? Pinning your hero may be a great moment in your life, but when you are just beating an old, washed up guy who looks worse every year, and keeps losing all the time, then it isnt going to benefit your career in any great way. As KB said, if you are a rising star, you SHOULD be beating a 62 y/o man, its not a great achievement any more.
Yeah, he wasnt at a few of the TNA shows on the UK tour (a tour entitled the Woooooo! tour), which would have pissed me right off if I had a ticket- and I nearly did buy one too. Having Flair come out, take in the adulation of the fans, smile wave and sign autographs would be perfect and the fans would go home happy.
He doesnt need to prove anything to anyone, he was the best in the world for years, a legend in his career of choice and the fans want to applaud him, and remember his greatness. Ric should just enjoy the fruits of his labour, soak in the love from the fans and realise how much they have worshipped him over the years, what a success he has been in his long career and just play the role of the legend he is.
He doesnt need to be an active wrestler, or even cut promos any more. There is nothing wrong with him stepping out of the spotlight, and just making the odd guest appearance. That would be great for him. For example, he could host Raw one Monday night, he could be a guest ref one night somewhere, just little appearances to please the fans and for his own enjoyment.
That is what I would like to see The Nature Boy do these days, but I doubt he will ever be able to leave his character behind and get rid of the need to be on TV every week, bleed every week, and try to wrestle, which is sad to see.
In short, I don't think Flair is worth it anymore, not at all.
Mustang Sally
Sells seashells by the seashore
Money is an incentive to keep doing something, but it's rarely an incentive to do it well.
When all of us reach 62, I hope we've all been frugal enough to have a nice nest egg in anticipation of retirement....and that we'll be getting ready to settle into a period of our lives in which we no longer have to fight and claw just to get the rent paid.
In other words, I would hate for any of us to be like Ric Flair. His damn alimony payments and high-living habits have made it impossible for him to ever retire. (Remember when he told us on RAW that he never would? At the time, we didn't know what he really meant, did we?)
In many ways, his behavior is understandable, though not forgivable. I doubt he enjoys doing the same damn routine for over 40 years.
It's reaching the point where TNA is going to have to make a decision, determining whether having his name and presence are benefits that outweigh the garbage they have to put up with.
When all of us reach 62, I hope we've all been frugal enough to have a nice nest egg in anticipation of retirement....and that we'll be getting ready to settle into a period of our lives in which we no longer have to fight and claw just to get the rent paid.
In other words, I would hate for any of us to be like Ric Flair. His damn alimony payments and high-living habits have made it impossible for him to ever retire. (Remember when he told us on RAW that he never would? At the time, we didn't know what he really meant, did we?)
In many ways, his behavior is understandable, though not forgivable. I doubt he enjoys doing the same damn routine for over 40 years.
It's reaching the point where TNA is going to have to make a decision, determining whether having his name and presence are benefits that outweigh the garbage they have to put up with.
Flair's promo's can always be entertaining. They are energetic, and Flair always sounds like this mad man, who wants to reek havoc. Flair can be very believable, when he cuts a promo, but what else can he offer at this point of his career? Flair's matches really aren't worth watching anymore, and to tell you the truth, watching Flair wrestle nowadays can be very painful. His body isn't wrestling shape, and Flair's age will catch up with someday, and there's a good chance he could suffer a crippling injury. Also, who could Flair put over? I know Flair is a legend, but beating a 62 year old man can't be looked at as a great triumph now.
I understand Ric Flair needs the money, and pro wrestling is the only job that can load this man's pockets, but TNA might have to make a choice soon, because Flair's antics aren't worth the trouble anymore.
I understand Ric Flair needs the money, and pro wrestling is the only job that can load this man's pockets, but TNA might have to make a choice soon, because Flair's antics aren't worth the trouble anymore.
Brian in Austin
Getting Noticed By Management
Unfortunately, I said what many are saying here a long time ago about TNA signing him. Again, this is evidence that those in TNA tasked with signing talent are actually doing TNA a HUGE disservice.
Zeven_Zion
King Of The Ring
Flair went to TNA not because it's "that damn good", but because he's scared shitless of being away from pro wrestling. He's a wrestling junkie, he can't possibly stay away from it, and TNA is the only other mainstream company worth a fuck, so he went there. Plain and simple.
I'm glad Ric put over some people and maybe helped them out, but behavior like this tells you how much he actually cares about the company. Not much, I'll tell you that. He's getting his fix, cuts a promo, does a match, does some autographs and then dashes. He doesn't do it because he wants to, he does it because he HAS to, and that's why he got pissy for being asked to do some more work for the fans.
I understand his position and what he's going through. You can't just drop something you've been doing for decades, but at the same time he's an ass for what he did and the guys are right to dislike that. It's just not right and you come off as a prick. You would think Flair of all people would have respect for the fans.
I'm glad Ric put over some people and maybe helped them out, but behavior like this tells you how much he actually cares about the company. Not much, I'll tell you that. He's getting his fix, cuts a promo, does a match, does some autographs and then dashes. He doesn't do it because he wants to, he does it because he HAS to, and that's why he got pissy for being asked to do some more work for the fans.
I understand his position and what he's going through. You can't just drop something you've been doing for decades, but at the same time he's an ass for what he did and the guys are right to dislike that. It's just not right and you come off as a prick. You would think Flair of all people would have respect for the fans.
George Steele's Barber
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Question the man's dedication to TNA all you want but the man is old enough to collect Social Security.
He has been in a plane crash, divorced umpteen times, caught climbing up to the top rope and thrown off more times than all the people in this discussion have probably gotten laid and spent so much time in tanning beds that they are going to have to name a color after his skin tone.
The next story we read will be about him getting caught with a sock full of Sweet N Lows. In other words, the guy is getting old and going to have bad days here and there. TNA should just be thankful he shows up at appearances with pants on.
Go piss off a WalMart greeter and see what he does. Flair's outbursts will seems like nothing.
He has been in a plane crash, divorced umpteen times, caught climbing up to the top rope and thrown off more times than all the people in this discussion have probably gotten laid and spent so much time in tanning beds that they are going to have to name a color after his skin tone.
The next story we read will be about him getting caught with a sock full of Sweet N Lows. In other words, the guy is getting old and going to have bad days here and there. TNA should just be thankful he shows up at appearances with pants on.
Go piss off a WalMart greeter and see what he does. Flair's outbursts will seems like nothing.
