HBK vs Jericho WHC??

[joejoe]

Ok,
So now that Jericho has the WCH do you think the WWE will take their feud to the next level and now involve the WHC? Or better yet should the WWE take it to that next level?

For me the answer is an obvious yes. It only makes sense and will make their feud that much better. First HBK beat Y2J into oblivion now he is going to take what really matters to him. His WHC.

The only problem with this is as we all know that HBK does not want to be world champion again, and I think if he doesn't end up winning the title in the end this feud will leave me with the same feeling the HBK HHH feud left me with, that being unsatisfied.

After all they went through and all HBK was put through he never won the title from HHH. (Yes he won it in the elimination chamber but that wasn't a one on one match)

I think in order for the HBK Y2J feud to continue and have as much steam as it does right now they'll need to throw the title into the picture. Probably have a few matches where neither one is able to get a solid victory and possibly carry this feud into Wrestlemania where HBK could finally once again get the big win on the biggest show of the year.

What are your thoughts? Should the next step of this feud invovle the title? Should HBK end up with it? Should Jericho? And most importantly Why?

 

[Dead Kennedy]

I don't really know...I think the title win didn't do the Michaels/Jericho feud any good, although I did like Jericho winning it. The Unforgiven match was not as good as I thought it would be, so I really hope the feud is not over, though. It deserves a better ending than that.

But if they do it, they'd better do it soon, before the World Heavyweight Title scene is again dominated by JBL and Batista. Depending on how they do the feud, it could be good. But I still think it would have been better for the feud had Jericho not won the WHC.

 

[George Michael]

I think the only reason they gave it to Jericho, was so that Michaels could cost him the title to 'Babyface A' in a few months. This would give the HBK/Jericho feud enough steam to culminate at Wrestlemania 25.

I could see Jericho and Michaels fighting for the World Title at an upcoming pay-per-view, but Jericho would come out on top (in a weasel type way ofcourse..). The next Raw/PPV would be ample oppurtuniy for Michaels screw him out of it. You can also count on a small Lance Cade/Shawn Michaels filling void while Jericho begins the feud with 'Babyface A'.

This feud doesn't need a title to be interesting or captivating. Jericho's World Title win is insurance that these two will have a match ready for WM 25.

 

[The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh]

I don't think the WHC adds anything to this fued really. HBK could get a title shot, but shouldn't win it imo. He should screw Jericho out of the belt later on like he did with the IC title in order to provoke Jericho into wanting to destroy HBK even more.

I would want to see a Jericho/HBK ladder match, but i don't see how they can keep the fued going for another 6 months (as WM is in April this year). Unless they're going to have HBK have to beat Cade to get anoher shot at Jericho, and even that would have to be on PPV, and then they'd have to do that more than once. And would anyone really want to watch HBK v Cade?

Plus HBK/Jericho for the WHC pretty much guarantees that a Smackdown guy will win the RR (AGAIN), or at least that the the winner will challenge for the WWE title and not the WHC, purely because i don't see a WM triple threat match happening again.

 

[George Michael]

Plus HBK/Jericho for the WHC pretty much guarantees that a Smackdown guy will win the RR (AGAIN), or at least that the the winner will challenge for the WWE title and not the WHC.

Jeff Hardy will win the Royal Rumble, yes, and most likely go on to face Triple H at Mania.


HBK/Cade, with enough build, could be a decent pay-per-view match. Cade needs this kind of feud to be taken seriously. It gives him an opportunity to showcase any kind of marketablility that he did not get to showcase as a memeber of a tag team. Nobody wants HBK/Cade, but it may be what's for needed for both men. Everybody is talking about Jericho v HBK , and everybody seems to want more. Why give them what they want now.

 

[HBK-aholic]

It couldn't make the fued any better, but it won't make it any worse. Yes, I will admit to having the dream in my head of a champion Shawn, winning the belt at the Royal Rumble. In the ring on his knees, almost in tears, his children at ringside, him smiling. Reliving his boyhood dream, many years later. And after he thought he'd never return to the ring.

Out of dream world now, unless things have changed on his part, Shawn doesn't want the belt. He doesn't need it either. And if anything he was looking to reduce the amount of time he's working. Being the WHC isn't practical for him now, and he realises the company will go on without him.

The feud should make it into this though. What we've failed to see is a clean win for Jericho. And to make his reign seem great (Which I'm sure it will be) his first clean win over Shawn will be a good way to mark it.

 

[JasonSensation]

Chris Jericho needs to have a long reign with the title. I think what we need to look at here is the big picture and that is this feud is so much more important now that Jericho has the WHC. Why? Because what happens to the other feuds on RAW now? JBL, Batista, Orton, Cena, etc all have nothing to fight over since the centerpiece for their feuds have been the WHC. Jericho and Michaels have been interlocked in this psychological and extremely physical, yet cliche, war. Upside=Y2J attacks his wife. Good turn of events here. Michaels doesn't want to retire. Michaels wants Jericho's head on a platter. But take the time to think about the fact that while this feud is important and entertaining enough to generate ratings and PPV buys, it is now sucking the life out of the title program unless creative can find a way to make the title important in the midst of this chaos. Jericho needs title defenses... CLEAN title defenses on RAW, at the very least every other week. He needs to put people away. He needs to look legit. Guys like Orton, Cena, JBL etc are all main eventers. They are not trapped in that "upper mid-card" limbo that many have been before in which they lose a title shot and then get tossed back into the IC or US title race. A clean loss to the champ on TV isn't going to kill their credibility. Creative should take note of this and give Jericho a strong run. Only rarely should he win cheap. Michaels needs to disappear for awhile and Y2J needs to be put over as a champion that needs no justification for being in his current role. As much as fans hate a heel champ that wins cheap, they hate a heel champ that wins clean even more just because he is that damn good. (ref: HHH in 2000/01 for many of his title matches or Lesnar in 02/03)) By the time HBK makes his return, he is healed, ready, and willing to take the title from Jericho only out of spite. He knows that the title means everything to Jericho, as he has spent months cementing his legacy. During HBK's quest to crush Jericho's dreams in retaliation for their unfinished business, he has an epiphany and realizes that he wants to feel that accomplishment again. He wants that boyhood dream just one more time. So he begins to openly pronounce that not only does he want to take the title for vengeful pupose, but for himself. This feud climaxes at Wrestlemania... the rest is history.

...thoughts?

 

[Prodigy]

i hope they do i really think shawn deserves 1 more title run. it wont help the feud but shawn really needs one more and i couldnt see a better way then winning it from jericho. I seriously hope they do this match and have micheals win

 

[JED]

I think that this would be a gr8 ending to a gr8 feud. Jericho vs. Michaels for the WHC. Even though michaels doesn't want another title run, he still deserves one before he retires. I was also really anxoius for Jericho to get the title back ever since he returned, but we need a real veteran like Shawn to be champ. All the other champs have been too young and they didn't know how to create the excitement of being champion. WWE needs to get rid of these youngsters and give the real veterans one last title run.

 

[JasonSensation]

WWE needs to get rid of these youngsters and give the real veterans one last title run.

It's absurd to categorize Jericho as a "youngster". Were you serious with that comment? How many years does someone have to be in the business to be considered a veteran according to you? He was the first undisputed champ in 2001... that was 8 years ago! And by that point he'd been in the business for 11 years already! Slightly off-topic? Sure. But Y2Y is no youngster, my friend.

And as for HBK not wanting the title, fine. Understood. But I stand by the fact that it would be over for him to once again realize that same dream that he did all those years ago... Thus creating a grand stage and a memory that Michaels, Jericho, and most importantly the fans, would never forget.

 

[jokerbateman86]

I hope that they don't have HBK cost Jericho the title. I just feel that is a cheap way to continue the feud and being the Jericho mark that I am, I want to see him have a long memorable title reign. Not one that ends in a month. Jericho deserves more than that. Anyway, I like JasonSensations storyline. The only thing I would change is that I would have HBK vs. Cade at the Royal Rumble to have HBK fight for his chance to be a participant at the Royal Rumble and have HBK enter at #1 and win it setting up the match at Wrestlemania. A bit cliche, I know, but it has worked a billion times before.

 

[JasonSensation]

I hope that they don't have HBK cost Jericho the title. I just feel that is a cheap way to continue the feud and being the Jericho mark that I am, I want to see him have a long memorable title reign. Not one that ends in a month. Jericho deserves more than that. Anyway, I like JasonSensations storyline. The only thing I would change is that I would have HBK vs. Cade at the Royal Rumble to have HBK fight for his chance to be a participant at the Royal Rumble and have HBK enter at #1 and win it setting up the match at Wrestlemania. A bit cliche, I know, but it has worked a billion times before.

Aha! I'm not alone! Awesome idea for the RR PPV... Cade vs HBK for the chance at the RR. Nice touch. Gives Cade a bit of a rub as well. This seems to be a great opportunity for Cade as it is. To add to this, I would love to see Cade injure HBK during their match, work that injury for a good 20 minutes, thus pushing the fact that even if HBK wins his match with Cade, not only is he injured, but he has spent 25+ minutes in the ring already that evening. If he entered at #1 in the RR, it would make his win that much more meaningful. Also, one thing we haven't seen before is someone get assaulted by their Mania opponent after they have just won the rumble. Having Jericho come out, Cade at his side, after HBK wins the rumble and beat the ever living crap out of him, working the injury again, after he just went the distance TWICE in the same evening would push the fact that Jericho, a dominant champion, is not only paranoid to face HBK healthy but also hates him so much that he couldn't wait until Mania to get his hands on him. Michaels now has to sell the injury, as he refuses to take time off in the ring, not wanting to risk his conditioning before he enters the biggest fight of his life at Mania. He wrestles the next two months against a gauntlet of opponents, narrowly escaping with his body intact every time, as Jericho only looks stronger and stronger with each match leading up to their encounter. Now, finally, HBK can be billed as an injured underdog with a passion for finally achieving his decisive win over Jericho, as well as realizing that dream all over again.

...thoughts?

 

[George Michael]

The World Heavyweight title belongs to a healthy Randy Orton.
When Jericho loses the title to 'Babyface A', Orton will be there to snatch it up. Unless Cena can make a comeback to feud and get into a feud with RKO, Orton will be champion before the year ends. Just the way it has to be.
I apologize for crushing your dreams fellows.

 

[Davi323]

So have HBK/Y2J for the belt until Orton is ready to return. HBK beats Jericho at either No Mercy or Cyber Sunday, ending that feud, and then Orton comes back Survivor Series and takes the belt away from Shawn Michaels. That way you have a heel beating a face, rather than a heel beating a heel. Jericho and Orton can clash when Jericho initially returned, Jericho was a face at the time. They are both monster heels right now though, and that presents a problem. Further, Orton and HBK have history against each other, HBK was one of the legends Orton "killed". HBK wins the belt again, Orton says "HBK, you just don't know when to quit. I beat you before, and I will be glad to do it again" or something like that. It would be very easily set up.

 

[JasonSensation]

Further, Orton and HBK have history against each other, HBK was one of the legends Orton "killed". HBK wins the belt again, Orton says "HBK, you just don't know when to quit. I beat you before, and I will be glad to do it again" or something like that. It would be very easily set up.

I think it would be an awesome program if run properly, but if mismanaged this could turn out to be WAY too predictable. I know this isn't something that is fathomable by many right now (which, like my idea for Cena's heel turn in that thread, is why it would be way over) but imagine Orton turning face to feud with a heel Jericho... But that belongs in a thread all its own. HBK vs. Jericho for the title. Wrestlemania. Boyhood dream. Stickin to it.

 

[Davi323]

Orton as a face? I just can't see it. Especially not with him appearing to be mentoring DiBiase and Rhodes, who are both heels. How would you even start to turn Orton face? What motivation could he have to start doing good?

I agree that while it has the potential to be enormous, it also has the potential to blow up in their faces. However, there has been a definite positive direction the RAW storylines have been moving in. They are getting better storyline wise, rather than worse. Y2J/HBK has been brilliant, the timing involving Santino and Beth Phoenix was done nicely, and the slow pace Orton is going with DiBiase and Rhodes, with the introduction of another generational wrestler is interesting too. They don't seem to be rushing anything lately. A year ago, I would have thought the angle impossible to do correctly. But, after seeing the genius of the HBK/Y2J feud, seeing the RAW writers get that one absolutely right, I am encouraged enough to give them the benefit of the doubt with an Orton/HBK feud for now.

 

[Revived]

As time progresses, I think we're going to see Triple H-Undertaker at WM25 for the WWE Title, along with Jericho-HBK for the WHC.

It's obvious they're putting off HHH-Taker when it's easily the best feud they can have on SmackDown. Although, Jeff Hardy is looking to be in the main event picture at WM, so idk. It's a tough one; I don't know exactly what creative is trying to do.

 

[AnthonyMango/NoFate007]

I would love to see HBK take the title from Jericho. Now that's not because I don't like Jericho...as I think he's one of the best out there today and I want him to be champion for a while. But I just really, really want to see HBK as champ again lol.

Two options I'd love to see, but probably won't happen:

1. Jericho beats Punk in a rematch and Punk moves on to feud with Orton, including a Survivor Series match (Orton, DiBiase, Rhodes, Manu vs. Punk, Kofi, and Cryme Tyme). Jericho then has a short mini-feud with Batista, but Batista comes up empty handed. Jericho has another short mini-feud with Mysterio. HBK comes back and either wins the Royal Rumble or the Elimination Chamber (the latter only if Jeff Hardy wins the Royal Rumble) and challenges Jericho at WrestleMania, winning the title there.

2. The same thing as above, except HBK wins the title from Jericho slightly before (or during) the Royal Rumble, Edge wins the Royal Rumble, and we have HBK vs Edge at WrestleMania. Meanwhile, Jericho is either in a feud with Cena or in the MITB at WM.

Either way, I'd love to see HBK as champion again, and I'd love to see him as champion via a continuation of his feud with Jericho.

 

[bmkf]

I think it was a good move putting the belt on Jericho.

This can further the feud between HBK and Y2J - Y2J can defend at survivor series and HBK can win the belt at the rumble.

Then HBK vs Undertaker at WM25 - WWE have been hinting at this for the last 2 years.

It would suit HBK because it means he only has to hold the belt for 2 months.

 

[Canadian Knight]

HBK getting the belt? Why? I don't think he should get the belt considering how much times we actually see him on Raw. If you want him to lose the belt have him lose the belt against someone wrestling FULL time. Like Batista. However, right now i think we should keep the belt on Jericho give HBK a shot, but have him lose against Jericho which improve his heel and give HBK what he always wants the spotlight.

 

[DeadmanInc.]

The only way I see HBK getting the belt out of this is if WWE is planning on having HBK vs Taker at WM25. However, I think we're most likely going to see HHH vs Taker. HBK is at the point in his career where he is way above the World Titles so really, there's no reason for him to be champion unless it's a final goodbye gift or a transitional reign. Plus, Shawn has said that he doesn't want another title.

However, I don't really know who else Jericho could feud for the title. Cena is injured, Punk is clearly going to feud with Orton, and Rey sucks as WHC. Batista is the only other person, besides HBK, that Jericho could possibly feud with. However, I don't see how Batista could get involved in such a red hot feud like HBK/Y2J. So, we're probably going to see a few title matches between HBK and Y2J. HBK hasn't had a World Title in years, and Jericho could easily rub that in HBK's face.

 

[Dead Kennedy]

Heh, well the Shawn Michaels vs. Batista feud was what eventually became the Michaels vs. Jericho feud, so it wouldn't be that unlikely to put him back in there. I think out of all the guys right now, Batista is the most likely to get more title shots against Jericho. But that would kill the Michaels feud...I really don't know how they can keep this going until WrestleMania.