Has Creationism been disproven?

[LSN80]

Evolution"ists" and people who believe in the Big Bang are not the same people. That being said, evolution has observable, testable evidence to back it up. Creationists have literally nothing. Not one shred of evidence, other than a book that tells them it's true.

I know they're not the same thing, I was simply making an example. I could make another example of the big bang theory, but you know it as well as I do Mozz. There's some evidence to back up evolution, but on the other hand, there's evidence that disproves much of it as well, or it's completely unverified. I honestly dont know if theres any evidence or not supporting creationism, its something I havent look into for a long time. But for creationists, that Book, whether it's true, rational, or has any type of evidence behind it, is their truth.

How is that any different? They both rely on the idea of something coming from nothing.
For what it's worth the idea I can get my head around the idea of creating something from nothing if you can imagine tearing nothingness apart, what then fills that anti-vacuum is entirely unrestrained, the tiniest most miniscule energy could expand for eternity with nothing to restrain it.
The idea of some magic man in the sky though just appearing, it's illogical to me.

Its illogical to you. And I respect that. Im open to any theory about how the earth was created, because no theory has been easily proven. You may find what you described easier, but youre thinking solely from a logical standpoint. Theres not a damn thing wrong with that. But there are many people who look at things from a faith perspective, and theyre just as entitled.

That's not a good reason to believe it. It's just intellectually lazy. If you don't know how something happened, just say you don't know how something happened. It doesn't make sense to say, "I don't know how this happened, therefore God did it."

Thats not what Im saying dude. It may be intellectually lazy, but from a religious standpoint, its not. It fits within the context of the beliefs that are found from the beginning of the Bible to the end. And Im not saying "I dont know wahat happened, God did it", and neither do creationists. They believe through their faith the Word of God, that He was an always is, was, and always will be being, so they believe it when His word says he created the heavens and the earth. Ill simply say that "I dont know what happened" myself.

Science will come closer to the truth than creationism ever will.

Youre probably right. But there are many people who are comforted by the idea of an omnipotent, omnipresent God that created the earth, and they live by faith, not by sight, not to sound cliched.

 

[JGlass]

LSN, Remix, I apologize if I mislead you, but I have no interest in getting into this debate any further than my first message as I detest debating non-wrestling related philosophy and what not on the internet. LSN, you know where to find me if you want to continue this debate.

 

[LSN80]

LSN, Remix, I apologize if I mislead you, but I have no interest in getting into this debate any further than my first message as I detest debating non-wrestling related philosophy and what not on the internet. LSN, you know where to find me if you want to continue this debate.

That I do, I just get caught up in debates over anything. Ill hit you up later.

 

[LSN80]

You're the worst.

I know, being able to see things from multiple points of view is a terrible thing, right? Id be so much better off if I spent all my time trolling people and insulting them.....The only reason Im the "worst" to you is because I can bring something relevant to a discussion, and youre incapable of that.

 

[H33LTurn]

Speaking from a Christian standpoint, no it hasnt. Everything was created. Whether you use the terms created of formed everything has developed in one form or another. I dont see why creationism and science cant go hand in hand. I believe God created dinosaurs just as he created humans. If theres something in the Bible that somehow tries to disprove this I'd just like to point out that the Bible is merely man's interpretation of God. I know there is a God because my personal experiences have proven to me so. You cant argue certain things about science but I still dont understand the gap between religion and science. Science, something so open to phenomena and unexplainable occurrences seems to be baffled by the thought of a superior being creating earth, just like we create a simulation of Earth in video games. Just think of GTA. Thats just one city thats almost completely functional created by humans. I dont think that its impossible that something much more smarter than us created a larger scale of GTA, to put it quite frank.

 

[Coco]

I know, being able to see things from multiple points of view is a terrible thing, right? Id be so much better off if I spent all my time trolling people and insulting them.....The only reason Im the "worst" to you is because I can bring something relevant to a discussion, and youre incapable of that.

+1 for Self-Important Douchiness

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

Loosen the grasp on that bible, son -- they'z foolin' ya.

 

[JGlass]

Oh dear, this is a joke, right?

Speaking from a Christian standpoint, no it hasnt. Everything was created. Whether you use the terms created of formed everything has developed in one form or another. I dont see why creationism and science cant go hand in hand.

Because one of the most basic principles of any form of science is that you can't create something out of nothing.

I believe God created dinosaurs just as he created humans. If theres something in the Bible that somehow tries to disprove this I'd just like to point out that the Bible is merely man's interpretation of God.

Dinosaurs and humans never walked side by side. Ever. Despite this (awesome) picture.

If anyone could take care of our unicorn problem it's Jesus and his trusty steed.

I know there is a God because my personal experiences have proven to me so.

My personal experiences have proven to me that there is no god... or that if there is he's a shitty god that should be fired.

You cant argue certain things about science but I still dont understand the gap between religion and science.

Gee... you don't say.

Science, something so open to phenomena and unexplainable occurrences seems to be baffled by the thought of a superior being creating earth, just like we create a simulation of Earth in video games.

What the hell do you mean open to unexplainable occurrences? The whole point of science is to explain these occurrences. Think about it, once upon a time people didn't even know why apples fell to the ground from trees, but then science managed to explain it. Any "unexplainable phenomena" are just things that science is waiting to solve.

Just think of GTA. Thats just one city thats almost completely functional created by humans. I dont think that its impossible that something much more smarter than us created a larger scale of GTA, to put it quite frank.

This is easily the funniest fucking part of your post. GTA is your example of a functional city that's man made? Never mind the disturbing fact that you seem to have a difficult time separating video games from reality, GTA is hardly a functional city. Traffic laws go totally unenforced, you can run over pedestrians without getting in any trouble, the cops give up searching for you after you have lost them despite the fact that you have committed hundreds, if not thousands of murders, car jackings, and other crimes, and the only jobs that exist seem to be in food service, retail, public service, and crime. Hardly a functional city.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

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[Nate DaMac]

6,000 years? Fucking seriously?

 

[Serious Mozzarella]

Speaking from a Christian standpoint, no it hasnt. Everything was created. Whether you use the terms created of formed everything has developed in one form or another. I dont see why creationism and science cant go hand in hand. I believe God created dinosaurs just as he created humans. If theres something in the Bible that somehow tries to disprove this I'd just like to point out that the Bible is merely man's interpretation of God. I know there is a God because my personal experiences have proven to me so. You cant argue certain things about science but I still dont understand the gap between religion and science. Science, something so open to phenomena and unexplainable occurrences seems to be baffled by the thought of a superior being creating earth, just like we create a simulation of Earth in video games. Just think of GTA. Thats just one city thats almost completely functional created by humans. I dont think that its impossible that something much more smarter than us created a larger scale of GTA, to put it quite frank.

You have a profound misunderstand of how science is supposed to work. Science takes the unexplained and explains it with observable and testable evidence. That's why there's shit everywhere that can't be explained.

How does it feel knowing that things that were "works of God" 10, 20, 50, 100, 1,000 years ago are being explained by science today? What's going to happen to Christianity, and religion in general, when everything in Bible is suddenly explained by observable "phenomena" in the natural world?

Creationism and science can't go hand in hand because they contradict each other.

 

[ABMorales787]

Did I read a Cristian say dinosaurs and humans never roamed the Earth at the same time? Then what the fuck was the flood for?

 

[Via Armbar]

I always chuckle when creationists say "Well I'd rather believe in a divine creator than the universe being created for no reason'' when there a plenty of scientific reasons the universe was created. See because that's kind of what science is...you set out to prove something as definitively true or false using the facts you are given. The universe wasn't created ''out of nothing'' and for ''no reason''; it was created because of physics as we know them (you know, shit that positively exists).

That's what I love about science; rather than thinking they know an answer and trying to make up a story to legitimize it (religion) they take the facts and what is known to find a true answer. There's no growth, no evolution in religion because the second they learn or discover something new than their entire belief system goes out the window. So instead they deny it at all costs.

 

[ABMorales787]

Nothing wrong with holding a belief in religion. I do. But good lord, why is there a need to put your foot in your mouth and argue against other people's beliefs. What part of "Love thy neighbor" do most Cristian not understand?

 

[JGlass]

Did I read a Cristian say dinosaurs and humans never roamed the Earth at the same time? Then what the fuck was the flood for?

No, you read me say it, and I am not a Christian. Never have, never will.

I always chuckle when creationists say "Well I'd rather believe in a divine creator than the universe being created for no reason'' when there a plenty of scientific reasons the universe was created. See because that's kind of what science is...you set out to prove something as definitively true or false using the facts you are given. The universe wasn't created ''out of nothing'' and for ''no reason''; it was created because of physics as we know them (you know, shit that positively exists).

Yeah, but they're not talking about the physics of it, they're talking about the spirituality of it. They want to think that the universe and mankind was created because God has a purpose for us, because without that they feel like life is meaningless. They all need a big existential slap in the face.

That's what I love about science; rather than thinking they know an answer and trying to make up a story to legitimize it (religion) they take the facts and what is known to find a true answer. There's no growth, no evolution in religion because the second they learn or discover something new than their entire belief system goes out the window. So instead they deny it at all costs.

Deny it or try to make it their own thing with "intelligent design." It's not evolution, it's God pulling the strings!

 

[Via Armbar]

Yeah, but they're not talking about the physics of it, they're talking about the spirituality of it. They want to think that the universe and mankind was created because God has a purpose for us, because without that they feel like life is meaningless. They all need a big existential slap in the face.

Which is all a shame really, that they'd like to go through life not knowing the truth (possibly, the creation of the universe is definitely not confirmed one way or the other) and live believing in something that dictates far too much of society all because they're afraid that there is no heaven or just a fear of death in general.

Deny it or try to make it their own thing with "intelligent design." It's not evolution, it's God pulling the strings!

Haha that's my favorite...recognizing that the universe works in strange but concrete scientific ways...and still credit God. Let the scientists do all the work, spend their lives working to understand how things work and why and whatever answers they come up with can all be accredited to God. Like a bully stealing a nerds homework.

 

[Lee]

People are dicks for no reason whatsoever.

 

[Remy LaCroix]

People are dicks for no reason whatsoever.

Post of the century.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Im beyond not interested in getting too much into this.

Ive seen a rather mind blowing documentary which shows that in actuality, the majority of scientific discoveries actually supports Creationism, rather than disproves it.

A fossil record and levels of sediment dating system actually provides support to the theory of a extinction level event of a great flood.

 

[Dr. Stinger A. Zoidberg]

This may sound absolutely crazy, but I think that everything we read about in the Bible/Torah/*Holy Book of your religion* happened on a different planet. Not Earth.

 

[Harthan]

Creationism can loosely be described as a competing hypothesis for the origin of life. It has absolutely no credible evidence in support of it, and is rejected by 90% (conservative estimate) to 99% of scientists. Its "competing" hypothesis, evolution, has been backed up by mountains of evidence and is supported by the aforementioned scientists (including, IIR the number correctly, 72 Nobel laureates.)

Perhaps the thread has gotten a bit away from this at its heart, but I felt like getting that out there.

 

[JGlass]

Im beyond not interested in getting too much into this.

Ive seen a rather mind blowing documentary which shows that in actuality, the majority of scientific discoveries actually supports Creationism, rather than disproves it.

A fossil record and levels of sediment dating system actually provides support to the theory of a extinction level event of a great flood.

Creationism can loosely be described as a competing hypothesis for the origin of life. It has absolutely no credible evidence in support of it, and is rejected by 90% (conservative estimate) to 99% of scientists. Its "competing" hypothesis, evolution, has been backed up by mountains of evidence and is supported by the aforementioned scientists (including, IIR the number correctly, 72 Nobel laureates.)

Perhaps the thread has gotten a bit away from this at its heart, but I felt like getting that out there.

Interesting. I demand NorCal provides the name of the documentary so I can expose it as a piece of Christian propaganda.

 

[Harthan]

I have never seen nor heard of Norcal's mentioned documentary, but I can guarantee you the facts regarding scientists' stance on evolution and from where they draw their support, and can also guarantee that if said documentary was at all notable and/or credible, it would have been taken into account by said scientists.

Also, I should note that flood myths are common to a great number of religions and likely reflect an instinctive fear of great bodies of water present in the human mind rather than any such thing ever occurring. However, it should also be noted that there is geological evidence for potential mass floods that occurred from purely physical means.

 

[JGlass]

There actually is evidence great flood, and there is even evidence of man made civilizations from sometime around that time. However, as you said (Harthan), just about every religion had a flood myth, so it's highly unlikely that it went exactly as described by the Old Testament. The idea of a senior citizen building an arc and filling it with two of literally every animal in the world is nothing short of preposterous.

 

[Harthan]

To clarify, the "great" floods I discuss are hypotheticals that are not widely accepted, but some evidence has been generated that suggest the possibility of the Mediterranean overflowing its banks, exceptionally great floods in the Mesopotamian regions (as opposed to the regular ones, which were still fairly impressive), or the Indians Ocean flooding. Like I said, these aren't widely accepted and the evidence is scarce, but it is present and not out of the realm of the possibility.