Government Health Care snag : Tax funded abortions

[Mighty NorCal]

I saw this on a headline in passing the other day, and it hit me like a ton of bricks. If the Government is to dole out all healthcare, and make it free to everyone, tax money pays it, such and such. Well, is abortion going to be included in that? If so, many people, inculding myslef, will have MAJOR, serious issues with the money we earn going towards, in part, abortions. Ive always said I belive it should be legal, but feel there is zero situations were it is acceptable to do. Thats not really what this thread is about though?

Will this have a major impact on considerations? Should abortions be included in out Government health care, or should it be out of pocket? Sure, you might belive that "its a womans body rah rah rah" bullshit, but I would like to think its my right to not spend my fucking money on this.

Personally, im not at all comfortable with my tax money paying for Mary Jane Rottencrotch to lay on her back all over town, and slaughter mini babies. Not cool with that at all, when upstanding citizens like FTS and myself (we all know XFear doesnt pay taxes becuase he is pinko commie hippie scum) have to indirectly support this kind of shit, and irresponsible destruction of life.

How bout you guys?

 

[Razor]

You probably haven't heard much about this....in the country where you're stationed right now...but this has been a MAJOR bone of contention in Congress. The House, when passing their bill, had to completely take it out if I remember right. The Senate, however, are fighting over it. It's going to take months.

So as far as the actual bill being passed amongst the senators, yes. Everyone is afraid of harming their appeal with the moderates, and voting for a Healthcare bill that funds abortion is going to scare a lot of them away.

As far as the public accepting the bill or not, this won't make much of a difference. The liberals that would be in support of abortion rights will be in favor of the healthcare policy overall. The same, only with the phrases "that would be not in support of" and "not in favor of," apply to the Republicans.

As far as I'm concerned, though, abortions should be funded under a life or death scenario. If the woman is going to die because of her developing fetus, the state should help cover that cost. If not, then you're literally condemning a woman to die because she can't afford the surgery. And if you do have it anyway under the "She's going to die" rule that heart attack patients fall under, she's going to lose her home because of the non-subsidized cost. That, quite simply, is outrageous when you're speaking of a life saving procedure.

 

[Loveless]

I saw this on a headline in passing the other day, and it hit me like a ton of bricks. If the Government is to dole out all healthcare, and make it free to everyone, tax money pays it, such and such. Well, is abortion going to be included in that?

Nope, it isn't. It was a condition of the vote last week that abortion would not be included. Had it been included, they couldn't have got the "Yes" vote.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Yes, thankyou for that, and trying to commit abortion on my thread. Ok, im not really wanting answers on the semantics of what is being discussed and which side wants it, and blabbity blah, please just tell your opinion on if it should or not, as a normal taxpaying person. Sheesh, we all know you guys are super mega awesome informed and shit, please just play along LOL.

I dig what your saying Razor, and I too woukd support it in the situation were it would mean death for the mother, or immeadiate death for both of them. You really cant condemn people to die, either way, which is why i dont support abortions in the first place...

 

[HBK-aholic]

We have it on the NHS here, it helps some people. I completely understand you not liking it, I'm not completely comfortable with the idea myself. However, if you're going to have a healthcare system where this isn't included, you're not doing much except sorting out a division as such between the rich and poor. The rich people can have the abortion, whereas the poor can't, because they can't afford to pay for it, and I'm not comfortable with that idea either.

I know abortion is a sensitive subject, so think about it in terms of something else. Me and KB had a discussion on obesity recently, where it was argued 'fat' people shouldn't get treatment on an NHS type scheme because they brought it on themselves. But all that does is mean the rich can afford the money to get treatment and live a more comfortable life, and the poor have to suffer and possibly die because of it. I really hate that idea, and in turn, it makes me uncomfortable with only allowing the rich to be allowed to abort.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

I would support abortions in the cases where the mother was raped, the child is a product of incest, or that there are birth defects that would cause major problems for the person. There are extenuating circumstances that happen. That's completely 100% understandable. As far as anyone who "made a mistake" goes, and one slips past the goalie, well, in that case, pay for the abortion yourself, or give birth and give it up for adoption.

Luckily, abortion isn't included in the heathcare bill, but if it was, those would be the cases where I wouldn't be opposed to the government covering for it.

 

[Loveless]

Ah right, so it's a hypothetical fearmongering for fearmongerings sake thread when your fears should have already been allayed?
Honestly I wouldn't care either way but I could see why other people would object, so out of respect for their beliefs, I wouldn't support publicly funded abortions, at least not in the US where you're far more veciferous about the debate. In this country I don't think the majority gives a shit, so maybe I'd be for it.

 

[FromTheSouth]

I know abortion is a sensitive subject, so think about it in terms of something else. Me and KB had a discussion on obesity recently, where it was argued 'fat' people shouldn't get treatment on an NHS type scheme because they brought it on themselves. But all that does is mean the rich can afford the money to get treatment and live a more comfortable life, and the poor have to suffer and possibly die because of it. I really hate that idea, and in turn, it makes me uncomfortable with only allowing the rich to be allowed to abort.

This is more of a rich vs. poor argument than is abortion. There will always be somewhere liked planned parenthood that will help people get abortions and circumvent laws to talk people in to abortions.

The obesity argument is different. Processed foods are cheaper than organic or even fresh food is. Processed food are also higher in everything that is unhealthy. Obesity is partly genetic, and those that have the predisposition for it are more likely to succumb to it. Obesity is also a choice. You know pretty early on that you don't burn calories as quickly as others. There are steps to take to alleviate the situation.

Now, as far as my tax money paying for abortions, that is sick. I am against abortion, but I don't think it should be illegal either. I think the option needs to be there, but I will reserve the right to pass judgment on those that use the option. It is a deplorable act. I understand that my opinion does not make law. I can accept that, but the act pisses me off.

I think that there is no more need for my tax dollars to go to abortion than there is boob jobs. They are both procedures of choice. 99% of the time, it is not a life saving procedure, and when it is, an allowance can be made. If the mother is not going to die, then she can pay to murder a baby herself.

 

[HBK-aholic]

If the mother is not going to die, then she can pay to murder a baby herself.

I love it when people phrase it like that, I always get a chuckle out of it. The point of my post was, some can't. If you're on £100,000 a year, then sure, you can afford to gain an abortion if you want one. But if you're living on the poverty line, not sure where the money is going to come to feed your children for the next week, you're not going to be able to afford an abortion, are you? I have A LOT of problems with wealth determining something like this.

 

[X]

Maybe I'm betraying my gender but I personally feel that men have no right to make decisions on abortion. It has absolutely nothing to do with their body, just as I believe the government shouldn't tell me what I can and can't do with my own body. It's mine, it's the one thing in this world that we have no matter what happens.

As for my taxes going to abortions...shit, why not. I already pay for all kinds of shit I never use anyways, so do all of you. Atleast this is something that will actually help someone else.

And call me crazy, but with the idea of overpopulation in the future becoming more and more evident and downright frightening, I have no problem with someone having an abortion, and I don't have a problem if some of my tax dollars go to it either.

 

[FromTheSouth]

Maybe I'm betraying my gender but I personally feel that men have no right to make decisions on abortion. It has absolutely nothing to do with their body, just as I believe the government shouldn't tell me what I can and can't do with my own body. It's mine, it's the one thing in this world that we have no matter what happens.

As for my taxes going to abortions...shit, why not. I already pay for all kinds of shit I never use anyways, so do all of you. Atleast this is something that will actually help someone else.

And call me crazy, but with the idea of overpopulation in the future becoming more and more evident and downright frightening, I have no problem with someone having an abortion, and I don't have a problem if some of my tax dollars go to it either.

You're right. There is a threat of overpopulation. So let's not have government funded healthcare at all, and let some people who have no chance of survival having their lives extended.

If we want to limit the population, we should let the old die to make room for the young, instead of using tax money to murder babies and string along the inevitable for terminal cancer patients.

 

[NYSandman]

I think I've posted my views on this before. Again, this is just my opinion, and, like assholes, everyone has one.

During pregnancy, the baby is part of the woman's body. Strain is being put on her organs and her nutrients to keep it alive. It is a part of her and belongs to her.

No one has the right to tell anyone what to do with their body. The baby cannot live on its own yet, and is using the mother to survive.

Would you want someone telling you that you had to support someone else, no matter what?

I know it sounds crazy, but it all boils down to this. How can you force someone to take care of a life if they don't want to?

Here's another scenario. Okay, make abortion illegal. PEOPLE WILL DO WHAT THEY WANT, OKAY, NO MATTER WHAT! All that will happen is the days of back alley abortionists will arise again. Women and girls will go to these unqualified doctors, and put themselves at risk. You will most likely also get women who will attempt it themselves, either with drugs or coat hangers. You'll also see women forced to go through with child birth, dumping their unwanted kids in the trash. Better to die before you can feel or think than freeze to death in an alley garbage bin.

I also don't believe that a child should suffer by being born into an unloving, abusive environment.

Now, my hypocritical side. I only support abortion in the first trimester. Girl, if you haven't made up your mind by then, you have to go through with it. After a certain amount of time, the fetus can start to really feel pain, and some say even to feel emotion. It should be done as soon as possible.

I just don't fucking understand why people cannot wear condoms. I dare anyone alive to feed me the bullshit that it cuts down on the feeling, or that it takes to long to put on in the heat of the moment. Utter bullshit. Stop getting pregnant, and stop getting people pregnant. There are too many damn people in this world as it is.

If the Government passes this bill, it should pay for anyone who NEEDS an abortion, for medical reasons. If you just WANT an abortion, pay yourself. I can hear the conservatives beating their children already.

I get into a frothing rage when I hear about these women who have 27 children by 27 different men. STOP FUCKING! Or, use protection. Guys, stop being dicks and take responsibility for your actions. Anyone who gets a girl pregnant and runs off is a punk ass bitch. I mentioned no one should be forced to take care of anyone else, but I think only the woman has the right to decide on abortion. Yeah, the guy made the child too, but he's not the life support system here. SHE is. Tough topic, and it's hurting my brain.