General Whedonverse Bullshitting

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So since we completely hijacked D-Man's "Random Thoughts" thread in the GSD with Whedon talk, I figure we might as well just start a thread similar to the bullshit about movie thread about all things related to Joss Whedon's television shows, mainly Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel, but shit we can talk about Firefly or Dollhouse as well (maybe not Dollhouse).


Tonight I shall finish Buffy, only 3 episodes left. Super-bummed city.

Just wanted to say I wanted to fucking bitch smack every single member of the Scoobies when they all kicked Buffy out of the house and replaced her with Faith as their leader. When Spike came back and laid out that speech it was pretty much EXACTLY what I wanted to say to all of those traitorous *****. God that was SO uncharacteristic of all of the characters. Buffy's only, you know, DIED FOR YOU.TWICE!.

And oh my lord...Kennedy? What a terrible character. Definitely wanted to dropkick that cunt in the face.

Just finished the episode "Touched" and apart from Kennedy being alive, holy shit what an episode, the whole Spuffy shit was daggers man. Daggers to the HEART!

Oh and I also just ordered the first couple of "official" trades for Season 8. Are they any good? What about the Angel comics?

So yeah, bullshit away.

 

[Minor League Brian]

Buffy and Angel where the shit, I wish they had gone on longer.

That's about all I got.

EDIT: Then I realized this wasn't the Spam section.

Uhhh. Yeah, I wasn't a big fan of the last few seasons of Buffy. Too much of it seemed kinda "Blah" from what I remember, but it's been awhile. A lotta holes left open, and what not. Angel also had a terrible ending. I really think Spike got a raw deal with the Buffster too.

Oh, and to finish; Buffy's little sister (currently) should probably get naked for the sake of Humanity. I've never been a fan of her face but damn is there something about her...

 

[jmt225]

Just wanted to say I wanted to fucking bitch smack every single member of the Scoobies when they all kicked Buffy out of the house and replaced her with Faith as their leader. When Spike came back and laid out that speech it was pretty much EXACTLY what I wanted to say to all of those traitorous *****. God that was SO uncharacteristic of all of the characters. Buffy's only, you know, DIED FOR YOU.TWICE!.

Seriously man, that was perhaps the most pathetic scene in the entire series. It made no fucking sense whatsoever, especially from fucking Giles and Dawn's end. Jesus, what were the writers thinking when they wrote this?

I loved Buffy and Spike in Season 7. Buffy finally stopped being miss funny and became a serious leader, while Spike finally became a hero, rather than someone who was impossible to trust. I also dug Andrew in Season 7 as well.

Everything else though I fucking hated. I never liked Dawn or Xander. Both were always whiny bitches. They fucked up Ayna in Season 6 and that continued on in season 7. I never liked Faith, so her popping up didn't have an affect on me. Willow was pretty much useless the entire season. And the potentials, Jesus... I fucking hated them beyond words.

Make sure to post in here once you watch the finale, X. I'm curious to see how you felt about it, because I thought it was one of the worst series finale's ever. I will explain why once I see that you've watched it.

 

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So I just finished with the series finale of Buffy..

Seriously man, that was perhaps the most pathetic scene in the entire series. It made no fucking sense whatsoever, especially from fucking Giles and Dawn's end. Jesus, what were the writers thinking when they wrote this?

Same thing I thought man. I mean on one hand I understand why they wrote that because in every epic tale there's almost always that period where the protagonist does some soul-searching before the final battle. But on the other hand, come the fuck on, no way should the Scoobies have turned on her that quickly and easily. Of course this all just reinforces my mancrush on Spike when he finds out and tells them all the fuck off with that great speech basically.

I loved Buffy and Spike in Season 7. Buffy finally stopped being miss funny and became a serious leader, while Spike finally became a hero, rather than someone who was impossible to trust. I also dug Andrew in Season 7 as well.

Definitely, that's the bright spot to Season 7, all of the Spike redemption and Buffy forgiving him and becoming a champion, while Andrew was comic relief in the best sense possible.

Everything else though I fucking hated. I never liked Dawn or Xander.

Dawn was annoying initially, but I never hated her or anything. And yeah I know you hate Xander but FUCK THAT SHIT Xander is my homey, he undoubtedly got the most pussy of anyone in the entire Buffyverse. Apart from Buffy,who didn't he fuck? Hater gonna hate mang.

They fucked up Ayna in Season 6 and that continued on in season 7.

Yeah I was kind of bummed by Anya's fate when the show ends, she deserved better but I guess Joss just wanted to have one character who we had grown to care about over the years die in the finale besides Spike. I do not understand why they ever split Anya and Xander up to begin with.

I never liked Faith, so her popping up didn't have an affect on me.

I always liked Faith, based mainly on her first run in Season 3. I love that season and how Faith let herself be corrupted after she accidentally killed an innocent man, the descent to darkness was very well written. So I liked seeing her again, though I thought she was better on Angel.

Willow was pretty much useless the entire season.

I HATE how they just almost wrote off Willow all season long. And the introduction of the Kennedy character pretty much ruined it for the rest of the season. I kind of always wanted Willow and Xander to wind up together at the end because I mean fuck their love was the only thing that stopped Willow from destroying the world in Season 6.

Season 6 I LOVED though. Season 7 I'm not sure right now, loved alot of it but hated some of the decisions/characters etcs.

And the potentials, Jesus... I fucking hated them beyond words.

Oh yeah fuck them. I was almost fond of the really nerdy potential because I recognized the actress from a regular role on Freaks and Geeks (another of my favorite shows), but aside from her they all sucked. Especially Kennedy and the black chick. Wanted to dropkick those bitches right in their unmerciful *****.

Make sure to post in here once you watch the finale, X. I'm curious to see how you felt about it, because I thought it was one of the worst series finale's ever. I will explain why once I see that you've watched it.

I just finished it before writing this post. I don't think it was that bad at all man, I liked it actually. I didn't particularly like where some of the characters ended up, but the culmination of Spike's redemption and his Christ-like sacrifice to save the world just rewarded all of my time spent caring about his character. The Buffy-Spike arc is without a doubt my favorite part of the entire series. Unlike Angel who was cursed with his soul, Spike actually went out and fought for one to make himself a better being for Buffy. It's the best example of redemption I have ever seen, Spike endured heartache in his original natural life only to become a monster for a century before he found love with Buffy, and that love is what fueled him to be a better person (or vampire), get a soul and become a champion.The fact that he was still willing and did sacrifice himself to save the world shows just how far as a character Spike has traveled. From primal force of evil to a primal force of good. It's almost biblical.


SO has anyone read any of the Season 8 comics?

 

[Bernkastel]

I have read the first two parts of the first issue and parts of the current issue involving Twilight. Those of you who have seen season 7 know that Willow casts a spell that awakens slayers everywhere across the planet. In season 8 Buffy now controls that slayer army, and they've caught the ire of the US government. I won't say any more nor spoil anything else but [and I won't say how] but towards the end of the Twilight arc Buffy develops new powers that are similar to Superman's.

I'm more familiar with Angel: After the Fall having read pretty much all of it, but I won't go into it for those [like X] that haven't watched Angel yet.

 

[jmt225]

Yeah I was kind of bummed by Anya's fate when the show ends, she deserved better but I guess Joss just wanted to have one character who we had grown to care about over the years die in the finale besides Spike. I do not understand why they ever split Anya and Xander up to begin with.

Yeah, I saw in the special features Joss say that he always wanted to have one big epic final battle where a main character would die just like how an extra usually would.

I HATE how they just almost wrote off Willow all season long. And the introduction of the Kennedy character pretty much ruined it for the rest of the season. I kind of always wanted Willow and Xander to wind up together at the end because I mean fuck their love was the only thing that stopped Willow from destroying the world in Season 6.

Season 6 I LOVED though. Season 7 I'm not sure right now, loved alot of it but hated some of the decisions/characters etcs.

I hated Season 6 actually way more than I did 7, lol. I thought the Willow transformation was awesome for the 1 episode she gets revenge on Warren. However, when it turned to Willow then wanting to destroy the World... I mean, give me a break here, lol. The Season 6 finale should have been the episode where Willow skinned Warren and the season should have ended right then and there, with the normal Willow coming back, feeling horrible for what she did, etc. But they just took it too far, in my opinion. I also hated how Dawn all of the sudden was able to fight off those tree thingys. That would have made sense if Dawn turned out to be a potential like it was teased in season 7, but since she's just a normal girl, that was fucking lame.

I just hated Season 6, man. I didn't like the villains, Giles leaving was stupid, the way Buffy came back was lame, Spike trying to rape Buffy sucked (honestly, if it were up to me, those two would have never hooked up in the first place)... I just didn't like anything, to be honest, except for the musical and the episode Willow skinned Warren.

I also thought we got jipped when we didn't get to see what happened when Buffy and Angel saw each other once Buffy returned from her death.

Speaking of which, I thought Season 5 should have ended with Dawn dying, and then Season 6 focus on Buffy not having any family and her trying to live with that, putting her in a vulnerable place. I think that would have been much better than the notion of her being in heaven and then being forced back down to take care of everybody.

I just finished it before writing this post. I don't think it was that bad at all man, I liked it actually. I didn't particularly like where some of the characters ended up, but the culmination of Spike's redemption and his Christ-like sacrifice to save the world just rewarded all of my time spent caring about his character. The Buffy-Spike arc is without a doubt my favorite part of the entire series. Unlike Angel who was cursed with his soul, Spike actually went out and fought for one to make himself a better being for Buffy. It's the best example of redemption I have ever seen, Spike endured heartache in his original natural life only to become a monster for a century before he found love with Buffy, and that love is what fueled him to be a better person (or vampire), get a soul and become a champion.The fact that he was still willing and did sacrifice himself to save the world shows just how far as a character Spike has traveled. From primal force of evil to a primal force of good. It's almost biblical.

Let me tell you why I didn't like it. Two reasons, really.

Those ultimate vamp guys all of the sudden became that easy to defeat, when Buffy fought her ass off just to destroy one earlier in the season in one of the best moments during season 7? That made no sense.

Also, and this is exactly why I hate Xander... why the fuck is Xander standing there cracking jokes, when just 2 seconds before he found out the love of his life (Ayna) died in battle? Shouldn't he be, like, distraught or something?

I hated how it ended, man. Hated it.

SO has anyone read any of the Season 8 comics?

I haven't read the comics, but I have read the full wiki descriptions man, and it's not good. Dawn becomes a giant, then when she's back to normal her and Xander start dating. Buffy learns to fly. Angel is the ultimate good guy and bad guy. Spike comes out of nowhere on a yellow submarine with the answers to everyone's problems. Spike, Angel, and Buffy have a three-way... seriously, man, from everything I've read about it, the comics are a fucking joke. It looks more like fan fiction than something Whedon would actually write.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

You guys have any hope for The Avengers?

As a fan of most comics, something like this always sounds great..initially. Then I start thinking about character development, story, etc. And I usually lose all hope before I even see a trailer.

I'm not delusional. I understand this is meant to be a popcorn-flick and nothing more. But can it work? Too many personalities? Too many characters? Those are the questions that run through my mind while thinking about what this movie will turn out to be.