General MMA Discussion

[Slim Pickns]

It was Tank that called Kimbo out. Kimbo has only ever had two MMA fights and I think Tank (as bad as he is) was a good fight choice for Kimbo. I don't think he would do very well in the UFC and his night fight (with Ken Shamrock) will be a good test for him.

Are you sure? I watched Kimbo's first MMA fight (where he won be submission) and after the fight he called out Tank. Either way, I will be betting against Kimbo as soon as they put him in a fight with an opponent that isn't crap. Abbott's 9 wins-14 losses are about as unimpressive as it gets. I haven't heard anything about a Kimbo/Shamrock fight, but I would not be interested if it were announced. Kimbo needs to fight a name fighter who isn't five years removed from their prime.

 

[TMEWoody]

Are you sure? I watched Kimbo's first MMA fight (where he won be submission) and after the fight he called out Tank. Either way, I will be betting against Kimbo as soon as they put him in a fight with an opponent that isn't crap. Abbott's 9 wins-14 losses are about as unimpressive as it gets. I haven't heard anything about a Kimbo/Shamrock fight, but I would not be interested if it were announced. Kimbo needs to fight a name fighter who isn't five years removed from their prime.

Tank was talking a lot of s**t about Kimbo before Kimbo's first fight saying he was only a punk and that he could beat his ass any day of the week. He was also talking a lot of shit (from the crowd) when Kimbo had his first MMA fight so Kimbo told him to bring it. I'm not sure what Kimbo is like on the ground as he has two KO's in his last two fights (None went to the ground) I like Kimbo and I would like to see him do well in MMA as he trains hard and always gives it 100%

 

[Slim Pickns]

Tank was talking a lot of s**t about Kimbo before Kimbo's first fight saying he was only a punk and that he could beat his ass any day of the week. He was also talking a lot of shit (from the crowd) when Kimbo had his first MMA fight so Kimbo told him to bring it. I'm not sure what Kimbo is like on the ground as he has two KO's in his last two fights (None went to the ground) I like Kimbo and I would like to see him do well in MMA as he trains hard and always gives it 100%

Tank is a shit talker no doubt about it. The downside to Kimbo is that he wasted his potential fighting pointless street fights and putting them on the internet rather than honing his skills in a elite MMA gym. He's finally training with Bas Rutten, but he is already 34. Most elite 34 year olds have at least 15-20 fights, Kimbo has two.

 

[TMEWoody]

Tank is a shit talker no doubt about it. The downside to Kimbo is that he wasted his potential fighting pointless street fights and putting them on the internet rather than honing his skills in a elite MMA gym. He's finally training with Bas Rutten, but he is already 34. Most elite 34 year olds have at least 15-20 fights, Kimbo has two.

I agree with you 100%. I can't see him being a huge star nor do I think he will be in the UFC due to his age. But I would like to see what he can do against a good opponent. There is talks of Kimbo Vs. Ken Shamrock and that is a fight I would like to see.

 

[Kasey]

[QUOTE="Rush" GSP;362722]Whats everyones thoughts on the up coming UFC : Pride of a Champion ppv?

I personally think it is a weak card outside Silva vs. Henderson. I will be ordering this ppv though mostly because of this match. I think it is going to go the distance and be a close fight. I can see both guys winning by a knockout but i just cant see either guy getting knockd out. In the end i think i'm gonna go with Henderson. Even if he does lose this fight though i hope people dont start saying he is done cause he lost two fights in a row. Since entering the UFC he has had two tough as hell challenges in Rampage and now The Spider.[/QUOTE]
It's shaped up to be a solid card, I think. It isn't full of the biggest name fighters around, but some of the matchups will have very direct ramifications in the weight classes.

Arlovski/O'Brien:
Personally, I think that Andrei will completely dominate O'Brien because Andrei has VERY solid leglocks and that his hands are light years ahead of Jake's. The shitty thing is that because Andrei is potentially looking to fight elsewhere, combined with the fact that this is the final fight of his contract, it will likely not be televised. It's bullshit as Andrei has two solid wins and should honestly be the next guy in line for a title shot. He has wins over Cruz and Werdum, and I think would be one of the only intriguing matchups for Minotauro at this point. Oh, well. Here's to hoping Andrei kicks Jake's ass and then goes abroad to fight guys like Fedor or Barnett or Rizzo or anyone. Mainly because Dana White is a shithead and wouldn't allow Andrei to fight for ten months even though he wasn't even injured.


Herring/Kongo:
Well, this is pretty much a joke to me. Kongo took a win over a demoralized and insane Crocop by kneeing him in the sack no less than four times, so it's not surprise he won the fight. Kongo has a pretty nonexistent ground game (just like Herring). Herring has supposedly changed his entire training mindset because he realized he was a slow fatass and moved at the speed of sloth. Both of these fighters are too one-dimensional to hang with the elite of the heavyweight class. Next...

Leben/Sakara:
Well, by all rights I should be a fan of Leben because he's from the Pacific Northwest and so am I. On the contrary. He's an idiot and an embarrassment to anyone living in a four-state buffer from him. His last win against Terry Martin was probably some of the sloppiest, gassed fighting I've ever seen. I hope Sakara takes him down and dispenses punishment. On the positive, though, even if Leben wins and does happen to get a title shot, Anderson or Hendo will be waiting for him.

Tanner/Okami:
I'm an Evan Tanner fan and honestly I think he's probably one of the most underestimated 185ers in history. Most of his fights only had a three month training camp and the rest of the year the guy spends his time drinking heavily and riding around on his bike. I only imagine what he'd be like if he training year-round. Okami has a pretty unorthodox striking game that I think will be a detriment to Tanner if he can't get inside. On the ground and up against the cage I'd give the advantage to Tanner, though. He also has a pretty good setup for a triangle chokes that may come in handy. However, the inactivity could prove to be a detriment.

Silva/Henderson:
I'm a fan of both guys and I think that in all honesty Silva hasn't been tested by a guy as strong and hard-hitting as Henderson is. Also, he hasn't been in there with a guy who has a proven gas-tank like Hendo's is. On paper, this is a very hard fight to decide. Mainly because you have Anderson's surgical striking and nasty Thai plum. Then on the other hand, Henderson is VERY skilled in the Greco clinch and has the nastiest right hand in the business. I just hope the fight is good, personally. I know it will be.

Some good fights last night in terms of the action presented. I can't wait until UFC 83.

 

[Slim Pickns]

I didn't get to see it. Comcast was having problems with their service, which seems like its becoming a weekly thing, and the picture wouldn't come through. The offered me the replay for free or a refund. I was so pissed that I just wanted my money back.

I looked at the results and see my boy Tanner got Ko'd. Not really suprised though, he probably hardly trained because he's an idiot. I'm pretty glad Kongo lost as he is a fairly boring fighter. Everyone keeps talking about his knockout ability, but it seems he doesn't like to throw with people anymore.

I'm really curious to see who's next in line for Silva. I really hope they don't give an undeserving Michael Bisping a shot, he's extremely overrated.

 

[MrD]

Kimbo fighting >HAS BEENS< only hurts his rep, Shamrock? Tank? Those guys were good back in like 1994..No joke. They should be retired, but oohhh no, gotta give Kimbo some free wins. Taking nothing from Kimbo, he's a badass, I don't care what anyone says bout him a lot of MMA fighters start by beating kids up on the street (yes that is true see emerson/koppenhaver) but Kimbo has dedicated himself to this sport, and if Bas Rutten says he works hard then he works EFFING HARD. (if you don't know who Bas Rutten is you have no buisness talking about MMA) But Kimbo really needs to fight some guys who aren't 10 years past their prime to be taken seriously by the MMA community.

A couple random points,
1: Hendo can't be knocked out
2: Yushin Okami "MIGHT" get a title shot soon, at least 1 or 2 more subs/kos and he'll probably be in contention (He won a No contest against silva awhile ago so look for it to be billed as a rematch if it goes down) if his next fight is a decision, this argument is void
3:Tanner is ver very old for the sport, and since he doesn't train 24/7 he'll probably never hold a title again
4:Tanner is not Couture.
5eople who are undefeated haven't fought good competition, no joke, even fedor isn't undefeated (and yea I think fedor needs a real fight soon to stay on top)
6: Body Triangles are deadly
7: Bas Rutten has 'Killed' people in street fights, and he said he'd run away if he met Kimbo in a dark alley, i.e. Kimbo is one bad dude

Also someone was bitching about the UFC 82 card? Dude? What are you smoking? But more importantly, where can I get some? Let's take a quick look at the card. (I won't ruin the fights for those who haven' read bout/seen em)

Jon Fitch vs. Chris Wilson Jon Fitch is rated in the top 10 of his weight, although Chris Wilson isn't, he's a real warrior and if you've seen his past fights, he's easily (in my opinion) in the top 15.

Evan Tanner vs. Yushin Okami 2 guys I have real respect for, another top 10 fighter in Okami versus the old vet tanner. I think tanner is a lil past his prime, but he's still got some fight in him and being a ex-champ, the dudes been there and bought the shirt.

Chris Leben vs. Alessio Sakara Leben has been in there with some BAD dudes, and Sakara is a pretty nasty striker in his own right. Both have good stand up. It's not the BEST stand up, but it's fun to watch.

Cheick Kongo vs. Heath Herring Kongo has decent stand up, although he's nothing special. Heath however is a monster, In my book he's a top 10 HW for sure, the guy never has a boring fight (and I've seen all his pride fights too)

Anderson Silva vs. Dan Henderson 'nuff said.


Man that's one Crazy Card! Like Batman takes on the planet Jupiter crazy! And I haven't even gone into the prelims!


@ Kasey: Dude doesn't like Heath Herring? No ground game? Hell no he doesn't have a ground game! He used to just knee people in the face till they tapped! Who needs a ground game when you can do that!? haha Pride rules were tailor made for Heath, like Wanderlei he needs them knees, And saying he's slow...dude for a guy as big as he is he moves like freakin quicksilver, and his kicks are not only fast but they are devastating (The dude knocked down big nog with it after all) he's no cro cop, but he's also a better fighter then cro cop (and I say that knowing he got KTFO'd by him! ) but I can go on all day so i won't. Gotta agree with you on arlovski thought, that whole deal is bullshit, putting him on the undercard is like a kick in the nuts.



8:Hendo still rules



The D

 

["Rush" GSP]

I pose a question to all in here...i dnnt know how many of you are familiar with the whole Wrestlezone Tournament thing going on in the forums but i was debating abuot doing one for the UFC to see who us fans vote on as the best pound for pound fighter in the UFC currently to date.

Here is what i have come up with:
64 guys but only those guys who are on the current UFC roster
4 regions each with 16 competitors much like the NCAA Basketball tournament
4 regions will include:
either MGM Grand Garden Arena/Mandalay Bay Events Center
Nationwide Arena Columbus, Ohio
US Bank Arena Cincinati, Ohio
Arco Arena Sacramento, CA
Final Four and Finals held in either MGM Grand or Mandalay Bay
First 3 rounds of tournament are 3...5 min rounds
Region finals, Final Four, and Finals are all 5...5 min rounds

Onto to the rankings....
Fighters rankings will be based upon total days as a title holder not number of reigns. Fighters that amass the most total days will receive the highest rankings. Days counted are only days as a UFC title holder, not a Pride or any other organization belt holder. Guys with title reigns will naturally be ranked higher than those without title reigns. Guys with out title reigns will be ranked upon total MMA win percentage. This way guys without UFC title reigns will be ranked accordingly cause its only fair if a guy like Dan Henderson is ranked ahead of a mediocre fighter.

I will set up all the voting and rankings and maybe set up four match polls a day with each poll being open a week. wont start a next round until a current round is completely finished.

Can i please get some feedback from you all????

 

[Slim Pickns]

[QUOTE="Rush" GSP;378487]I pose a question to all in here...i dnnt know how many of you are familiar with the whole Wrestlezone Tournament thing going on in the forums but i was debating abuot doing one for the UFC to see who us fans vote on as the best pound for pound fighter in the UFC currently to date.

Here is what i have come up with:
64 guys but only those guys who are on the current UFC roster
4 regions each with 16 competitors much like the NCAA Basketball tournament
4 regions will include:
either MGM Grand Garden Arena/Mandalay Bay Events Center
Nationwide Arena Columbus, Ohio
US Bank Arena Cincinati, Ohio
Arco Arena Sacramento, CA
Final Four and Finals held in either MGM Grand or Mandalay Bay
First 3 rounds of tournament are 3...5 min rounds
Region finals, Final Four, and Finals are all 5...5 min rounds

Onto to the rankings....
Fighters rankings will be based upon total days as a title holder not number of reigns. Fighters that amass the most total days will receive the highest rankings. Days counted are only days as a UFC title holder, not a Pride or any other organization belt holder. Guys with title reigns will naturally be ranked higher than those without title reigns. Guys with out title reigns will be ranked upon total MMA win percentage. This way guys without UFC title reigns will be ranked accordingly cause its only fair if a guy like Dan Henderson is ranked ahead of a mediocre fighter.

I will set up all the voting and rankings and maybe set up four match polls a day with each poll being open a week. wont start a next round until a current round is completely finished.

Can i please get some feedback from you all????[/QUOTE]

Seeing as only you, Kasey, and myself frequent this thread I don't think its a good idea. It sounds fun to me but having only a handful of people vote would be kind of pointless.

Plus, I could save you the time and effort spent into putting up a tournement with this conclusion- Chuck Liddell would win. From what I've gathered there are really only three or four big MMA fans here.

 

["Rush" GSP]

You may be right about Chuck but the info dont lie to a degree. If you look at every fighter in there prime hes a contender but i wouldnt hand it to him on a silver platter.

I'm gonna give it a few days see how much response there is

 

[Slim Pickns]

[QUOTE="Rush" GSP;378629]You may be right about Chuck but the info dont lie to a degree. If you look at every fighter in there prime hes a contender but i wouldnt hand it to him on a silver platter.

I'm gonna give it a few days see how much response there is[/QUOTE]

I'm saying Chuck would win because he's the best, I'm saying he would win because people have been led by the UFC to think he's the best. Chuck Liddel is insanely overrated, he's simply the guy who the UFC put on top when the MMA boom started. He had such an easy run it was unbelievable.

If you do end up putting up a tourny, the radom people who pop in and vote without posting would all vote for Chuck.

 

["Rush" GSP]

well as my rating system goes right now this is the top four number 1 seeds in order:

Randy Couture 3383
Matt Hughes 1579
Tito Ortiz 1148
Chuck Liddell 771

now i know at glance and in present day i dont know if any guy would be a top seed but this tournament is based on the fighter in the prime of their careers so yes it is a present day Anderson Silva, GSP, Rampage but its also a in prime Couture, Hughes and so on. The advantage with my system obv goes to guys like them but i cant determine the lenghth og a Anderson Silva reign and i thought record was not a good indicator cause not all wins mean the same.

 

[Kasey]

@ Kasey: Dude doesn't like Heath Herring? No ground game? Hell no he doesn't have a ground game! He used to just knee people in the face till they tapped! Who needs a ground game when you can do that!? haha Pride rules were tailor made for Heath, like Wanderlei he needs them knees, And saying he's slow...dude for a guy as big as he is he moves like freakin quicksilver, and his kicks are not only fast but they are devastating (The dude knocked down big nog with it after all) he's no cro cop, but he's also a better fighter then cro cop (and I say that knowing he got KTFO'd by him! ) but I can go on all day so i won't. Gotta agree with you on arlovski thought, that whole deal is bullshit, putting him on the undercard is like a kick in the nuts.



8:Hendo still rules



The D

I definitely miss the four-point strikes rule as the NSAC MMA rules favor certain fighters like Sean Sherk who enjoy the fine art of lay 'n' pray. I kept thinking the entire time that Herring had top position that if it were in Japan, he'd have dropped knees on Kongo's immense fucking dome like it was going out of style. It's not that I'm a Herring "hater" or something like that. On the contrary, I really enjoy the action of his fights. I just see him as wasted potential is all, especially where his conditioning and ground game are concerned.

Last Saturday he finally looked like he was taking the shit seriously for once. He needs to work on his BJJ if he's ever going to hang with the elite and ever have a hope in hell at winning against them. Otherwise, another meeting with an athlete like Nog's will result in the same things as before...regardless of a miracle head kick he still can't capitalize on.

I staunchly disagree about him being better than Crocop. Mirko's problem is his unwillingness to adapt to the cage environment and to train with the proper people to get used to it. He's been working in a ring since the age of about 15 and was only used to it's angles and physics. I do think that he'll find his sea legs once he fights in Japan again because he belongs in a ring. That and he needed to dig his head out of his ass and show up to fight like he did when he stormed through the 2006 OWGP like a hot knife through so much better. Who knows? Maybe he'll get that fire back and return to the UFC as he has stated and will do much better.

Hendo does still rule. He had that fight Saturday under control until he pissed it down the drain by becoming overconfident in his standup ability in comparison to Anderson's. If he would've stuck to the gameplan, then he could've had a much better shot at wearing down Silva and getting the late victory. Oh, well. Not to discredit Anderson, because he showed that the margin for error against him is razor thin and that if you fuck around in the cage for even a nanosecond, he'll tee off on your skull like Van Damme.

 

[Mr. TM]

Im not a fan of MMA/UFC. People always give me the "Oh wrestling is fake, its for *****es, MMA or UFC is where the real men fight". Well whats so great about beating the hell out of someone as opposed to making it look artisitc? It takes a lot more skill to be able to jump off a 15 foot ladder without hurting someone that hurting them, then it does to put in an armbar. I really think Wrestling is a lot more humane than MMA, and thus feel more civilized watching it. An advantage of Wrestling over MMA... there is no way that someone is gonig to fix it, so if you are let down after a wrestling event, its because thats how the writers made it.

 

[Kasey]

Im not a fan of MMA/UFC. People always give me the "Oh wrestling is fake, its for *****es, MMA or UFC is where the real men fight". Well whats so great about beating the hell out of someone as opposed to making it look artisitc? It takes a lot more skill to be able to jump off a 15 foot ladder without hurting someone that hurting them, then it does to put in an armbar. I really think Wrestling is a lot more humane than MMA, and thus feel more civilized watching it. An advantage of Wrestling over MMA... there is no way that someone is gonig to fix it, so if you are let down after a wrestling event, its because thats how the writers made it.

You're debating entertainment and sport. Apples to oranges. Tell that to the shitheads who explain their myopic view of "fake" wrestling. Then proceed to tell them that Josh Barnett is a pro-wrestling god in Japan and to shut the fuck up. As for arguing how much more humane wrestling is than MMA, save your breath for an argument you understand, please.

 

["Rush" GSP]

I guess the big thing coming out of the MMA world today is the naming of Rashad Evans to face The Iceman at UFC 85. Whats everyones thoughts on this match?

Definitely is going to be a measuring stick for Evans. Personally i dont think Evanss can stand up and throw with Chuck. As far as the match goes i dont think Evans has the skills to take Chuck down, hate him or love him we all know his take down defense is no joke. I like Evans as a fighter and i think he has good potential look at the Tito fight but i just dont see him winning here. I'm sure some are gonna say the UFC might be feeding another fighter to Chuck but i truely dont see it that way i believe they are really using this fight to see what they have in Evans right now. I think he will be very good down the road but i got to go with "The Iceman" Chuck Liddell.

 

[Slim Pickns]

It looks like the UFC are gonna be milking Chuck for all he's worth. The guy clearly loses two fight in a row to Rampage Jackson and Keith Jardine, then beats Silva and he's back in the "Main Event." I don't think Evans will win, simply because he's just not good enough. Rashad is undefeated, and apparently his prefered method of ending the fight is the decision. Evans doesn't dish out enough punishment so Chuck will be able to pick his spots and will only have to catch him once to win the fight.

I feel really bad for the UK UFC fans as they usually get a less than stellar card. This match is simply not main event worthy.

It was announced by the UFC, but apparently unofficial according to our newspapers, that UFC 87 featuring Brock Lesnar vs Mark Coleman will be hear in Minneapolis, MN. If so, I'm doing everything in my power to go. We have never had pro MMA here in Minnesota.

 

["Rush" GSP]

Its hard to get tickets unless you are one of them UFC membership lists. I tried to get cheap seats for the Silva Henderson matc and i couldnt. Also tried for the upcoming St. Pierre vs that other guy match but that was impossible. Unless your willing to spend its gonna be hard. Good luck.

Also, if Liddell does win this match do you think he is challenging for tthe Light Heavyweight title?

I got my thought but want to see what others say first.

 

[a0161613]

Guys, wondering if you can help me....
i am considering becoming a UFC fan and want to start by investing in some DVD's.

I head The Ultimate Fighter 6 Finale is very good and will probably get this as a start but want some ideas to add to this.

Would be great if someone could suggest some to start this off for me.

 

[Kasey]

[QUOTE="Rush" GSP;381499]I guess the big thing coming out of the MMA world today is the naming of Rashad Evans to face The Iceman at UFC 85. Whats everyones thoughts on this match?

Definitely is going to be a measuring stick for Evans. Personally i dont think Evanss can stand up and throw with Chuck. As far as the match goes i dont think Evans has the skills to take Chuck down, hate him or love him we all know his take down defense is no joke. I like Evans as a fighter and i think he has good potential look at the Tito fight but i just dont see him winning here. I'm sure some are gonna say the UFC might be feeding another fighter to Chuck but i truely dont see it that way i believe they are really using this fight to see what they have in Evans right now. I think he will be very good down the road but i got to go with "The Iceman" Chuck Liddell.[/QUOTE]
I'm bummed out and pissed off about this news. Two reasons. First, Rashad is another one of the most boring fighters (along with Sean Sherk and before last weekend, Josh Koscheck) around. Liddell won a fight against a downward spiraling Wanderlei and automatically, he's been talking about how he should get a LHW title shot. BULLSHIT. Lyoto Machida and Thiago Silva should be two guys he has to face (AND BEAT) in order to even get a mention for that fucking belt. They gave him the opportunity to show up and redeem his shellacking in the 2003 Grand Prix and he fucked that up when Rampage force-fed him his own ass not even halfway through the first stanza. Then Dana spoonfeeds him Keith Jardine and the main event slot of a PPV and he proceeds to eat more liver kicks than even Bas Rutten would like to see en route to losing to Jardine.

The second reason I'm despondent is because Shogun Rua was supposed to be the opponent for Chuck but his recently rehabbed ACL has been ruptured. So not only do I not get to see a dream matchup featuring Shogun and The Iceman, but then I have to settle for Rashad? Shit. I'm well aware Chuck had an undefeated streak that stretched for about four years, but in all honesty there are guys in that division that really need to get a look for a title shot before him. Thankfully, Forrest gets one after pulling out the last-second victory over Shogun (even if he was injured). Seeing as Rashad is so boring, I'd love to see Chuck knock him out.

 

[Slim Pickns]

Guys, wondering if you can help me....
i am considering becoming a UFC fan and want to start by investing in some DVD's.

I head The Ultimate Fighter 6 Finale is very good and will probably get this as a start but want some ideas to add to this.

Would be great if someone could suggest some to start this off for me.

The Ultimate Fighter sucks. 90% of those guys don't even matter. There have hardly been any noticable fighters coming out of that show. If you want to invest in some UFC DVD's, get any one from 38 and up. You'll be able to catch up with what happening now pretty quickly.

I also recommend the PRIDE legacy volumes. You can get 20 events really cheap if you buy the box sets. Its the best deal for MMA on DVD.

 

["Rush" GSP]

Guys, wondering if you can help me....
i am considering becoming a UFC fan and want to start by investing in some DVD's.

I head The Ultimate Fighter 6 Finale is very good and will probably get this as a start but want some ideas to add to this.

Would be great if someone could suggest some to start this off for me.

UFC 66: Liddell vs. Ortiz ...very hyped match obviously...also has an ok forrest griffith vs keith jardine fight but liddell/ortiz is one for a beginning fan to see
UFC 67: All or Nothing...Anderson Silva vs Lutter is a pretty decent match basically in my eyes the last time Silva's been tested as champ since Hendo...also got a Rampage Jackson fight on it...Silva is the best fighter in the world just incase you dont know
UFC 68: The Uprising...if i had to tell you to get one dvd this would be the one...if you want to get motivated watch Randy Couture vs Tim Sylvia the age and size gap is huge plus the crowd was so hot the entire fight....also has franklin and hughes on the card
UFC 73: Stacked...name says all you need to know about the card
UFC 75: Champion vs. Champion ...Rampage Jackson vs Dan Henderson for the Light Heavyweight title goes all 5 rounds and is an amazing match one of my personnal favorites
UFC 79: Nemesis...Chuck Liddell vs Wanderlei Silva was a dream match in the making for years and finally happens the crowd was into it alot and good match....George St Pierre vs Matt Hughes for the interim Welterweight title was definitely the passing of the torch and St Pierre shows why he is the second best pound for pound fighter in ther world

hope this helps....

 

[MrD]

Im not a fan of MMA/UFC. People always give me the "Oh wrestling is fake, its for *****es, MMA or UFC is where the real men fight". Well whats so great about beating the hell out of someone as opposed to making it look artisitc? It takes a lot more skill to be able to jump off a 15 foot ladder without hurting someone that hurting them, then it does to put in an armbar. I really think Wrestling is a lot more humane than MMA, and thus feel more civilized watching it. An advantage of Wrestling over MMA... there is no way that someone is gonig to fix it, so if you are let down after a wrestling event, its because thats how the writers made it.

If you can't see the art in grappling or have no clue how technical striking is, I'd suggest sticking to your rasslin, it's easier to understand and you don't really have to think about what you're seeing since it's all the same anyway. I also like MMA since it actually respects female competition rather than burying it, and also seeing mutli-racial champions/competition makes me feel more "Civilised" (not that wrestling isn't multinational but the last time I saw a WWE champion that wasn't white was 4 years ago, Eddie Guerrero and 2 years between him and 'Rock' who's almost white anyway other then that it's yoko back in '93 and Inoki in '79) I also like to KNOW that my competitions are drug free, I dunno bout everyone else, but where I come from people who do steroids are "losers" since they don't have the physical/mental discipline to attain their builds. Unlike in wrestling, where their drug screening is as real as what you're watching in the ring. Also if your idea of civilisation is whipping a dwarf with a belt, I'm happy being a barbaric "un"civilised MMA fan thank you.

@Kasey
Yea I love them PRIDE rules can't just sit in guard, like when ufc had headbutts and dudes had to mad scramble since being on the bottom was basically instant death. I miss em.
After reading your post I remembered that Cro Cop never trains in cages, so that was my bad. Hopefully we'll get to see him in dream versus some good competition although if he's really fighting Yoshihiro Nakao we may have to wait longer. I like mirko, I just hate his unwillingness to even attempt ground work, at least heath can "posture up" (or hit the old north south) on a guy, while the closest to the ground mirko gets is takedown defense. I'm forced to agree with the groudwork too, if Herring is going to one day pick up the championship he's going to need that BJJ black belt, although I'm fine with him jus tearing through midcarders

Man were you as pissed as I was when you saw that Hendo match? right after I pooped in my PRIDE dvd of Hendo vs. Nog and the whole time I'm thinking, man 8 seconds longer and he'd got out...haha ah well can't win em all.

And Anderson is a machine, no question, that body triangle is absolutely devastating.

Rashad versus Chuck, all this is is a fight 'given' to Chuck (they expect him to win) so he can be thrown back into the cage with rampage. I'm mildly interested in this simply because I've seen rashad throw more kicks in the recent past then Chuck, and that was the road to victory for Jardine. Chuck will probably get a late KO, but if it goes the distance, which could easily happen (out of 12 fights 7 decisions for Rashad), I see "Sugar" taking the fight if he throws those liver/leg kicks. (I don't see a takedown from Rashad, Chuck has a Epic sprawl) Also if Chuck wins he'll probably get throw into contention right away which he definetly does not deserve (can you say Machida?)

I agree with Slim Pickns too, this is definetly not main event worthy, it's Iceman so it's gotta be top billing, but they should've throw this as the "Co-Main-Event" and given us a main event worth a piss. I'm less then pumped about 85 unless they can throw in some sick prelims and midcard matches...

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If you like the UFC by all means grab some of their DVDS, I wouldn't suggest TUF as those guys are usually "Journeymen" (Fighters just gettin their sea legs in american television) and aren't usually that great a fighters. (Most of the top talent UFC pulls in are from other MMA promotions so watching these usually provides with better balanced/more entertaining matches) If you're really into MMA and want to know all about it and watch awesome fighters in their prime get the PRIDE legacy Volumes. There you can see why everyone thinks fedor is the man and the Wanderlai DOMINATIONS. I actually haven't bought a UFC dvd yet, haven't seen anything worth shelling out 20-50 dollars for. I do however have a old UFC 10 VHS which is just classic (and if you just saw the newest UFC and don't know who Mark Coleman is, that's his debut) and UFC 20 which is also up there (Dan Henderson debut, goes on to fight Carlos Newton, awesome match) But anyways, I'd suggest the PRIDE legacy volumes, but take a gander, shop around.

Also Just though I'd throw these old gems out there. Any of you watch K-1? either the straight Kickboxing or HEROES? Most of the time I get these in full Japanese/Korena so I understand nothing, but the fighters/fights are pretty badass (Ever seen Semy Shilt not have to worry about groundwork? It's scary shit)

By the by, anyone ever heard of, Norifumi "Kid" Yamamoto? I'm dieing to see this guy and Urijah Faber go at it, it's never going to happen, but it would be epic. Urijah is just a bad dude, and Kid is on a 14 win streak (only 2 decisions in that mix) with most of his fights coming from either TKo or KO . Anyone else wetting the bed thinkin of these guys serving up hooks to each other? Or is it all in my head?

Oh on a completely different note, anyone wanna make up a p4p list? Be great for debatin, would this be somethin people would be interested in?

 

["Rush" GSP]

Seein as we are a week removed from Anderson Silva's victory over Dan Henderson i pose this question to all.

What is your current top 10 pound for pound fighters in the world?

Heres how i look at it:

1. Anderson Silva...obvious choice the man has completely put a stranglehold over the middleweight division and i just do not see anyone beating him anytime soon.
2. George St. Pierre...his last two wins against Koscheck and Hughes i think proves his lost to Serra was a fluke and he'll bury any talk about that next month. As long as he is focused i dont see anyone beating him.
3. Rampage Jackson...hasnt fought in months but his last two wins earn him this spot. I really look forward to his match against Forrest.
4. BJ Penn....tons of talent just has to use it all the time. If he can beat Sherk he will solidify himself as a top 5 guy for sure.
5. Fedor Emelianko...please fight someone of merit to earn this spot. And if rumors are true then sign with the UFC and lets see Fedor vs Couture and see who is the best.
6. Urijah Faber...have to admit i didnt know much about him so i did my research and the man is for real in my eyes. Has won 12 in a row and thats not easy no matter who you are.
7. Randy Couture...shut up get over it and return to the damn octagon. The UFC has stripped him of the title yet which says t hey still want you so come back beat Nog in a unification match and campaign to no end for Fedor and then sent thee Soviet back home defeated. Your Captain America for a reason, please show it.
8. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira...i cant put him ahead of Couture cause he has only beat guys to get the title that Couture already went through. Beat Randy and you'll surpass him on my list.
9. Dan Henderson...you cant knock him for losing two in a row look at his competition. How many guys can go back and forth between weight classes and on top of that fight Silva and Rampage.
10. Chuck Liddell...this will probably get debated but he had his back to the walll then dominated thte dream match with Wanderlei and i like his chances against Evans. After that i think he needs to have one more match before getting a title shot.

Whats everyone else's list?

 

[Slim Pickns]

Rashad versus Chuck, all this is is a fight 'given' to Chuck (they expect him to win) so he can be thrown back into the cage with rampage. I'm mildly interested in this simply because I've seen rashad throw more kicks in the recent past then Chuck, and that was the road to victory for Jardine. Chuck will probably get a late KO, but if it goes the distance, which could easily happen (out of 12 fights 7 decisions for Rashad), I see "Sugar" taking the fight if he throws those liver/leg kicks. (I don't see a takedown from Rashad, Chuck has a Epic sprawl) Also if Chuck wins he'll probably get throw into contention right away which he definetly does not deserve (can you say Machida?)

By the by, anyone ever heard of, Norifumi "Kid" Yamamoto? I'm dieing to see this guy and Urijah Faber go at it, it's never going to happen, but it would be epic. Urijah is just a bad dude, and Kid is on a 14 win streak (only 2 decisions in that mix) with most of his fights coming from either TKo or KO . Anyone else wetting the bed thinkin of these guys serving up hooks to each other? Or is it all in my head?

Machida is possibly the most underappriciated fighter in the world. I was just on the official UFC website, and the fight poll says more people think Tito will win. I have not seen anything from him lately that suggests he can win that.

Kid Yamamoto became one of my favorites back in 06. He was pretty impressive in his first few fights. Then he got an injury and they were not sure how he's be in his comeback. In his next fight he scored the fastest KO in MMA history. The article I read said four seconds but I think officially it was 7 or 8.