Gail Kim - Superior women's wrestler or botchtastic failure?

[antonio624]

Gail KIM deserves a shot at a title because she is a all-around wrestler. Her debut at wwe first night, She was crowned champion.
Kim has all the tools, its not her fault that her competitor are not in her level, and got no talent.
Wha does mARYSE have? Nothing, Just eye candy, same goes for eve and alicia, they are model material, not Wrestlers.
All her matches have been entertaining, they all have been solid!
Botchfest, Are you kidding me????
Gail could go to any wrestling organization and capture gold.
She is a hybrid in the divas division.
She can win matches in various ways, pinfalls submissions, her risk-tasking is a masterpiece, how many women in the industry can say they been women's champ and tna knockout champion.
Way I see it, WWE does not know how to use her, her talents are being wasted if the wwe are not properly using her.
Without Gail kim in the wwe, the wrestling in the divas roster is gone.
Gail Beth and Natalya are the three solid women wrestlers.
In tna, she made the knockout division.
Divas like lay-cool and alicia fox capturing gold, is a travesty of justice!!!!
They are not entertaining at all and they do botch many moves in the ring.
Why is ppl just pickin on gail, alicia sux, laycool sux eve sux maryse sux.
Ive seen gail kim in 15-30 mins matches.
Can maryse do that? NO!!! Why?? She has no moveset, just her hair flip and her french kiss. Thats it?!!!
Her risk taking is what draws attention in the industry, for those who say, play it safe, dont injure the other divas....reality check this is wrestling, if you don't wanna be injured, don't get in the ring.
Gail's risk-taking is her passion, how you gonna hate that, I respect what she does in the ring, she gets the crowd involved.
Personality? She has personality, but ppl think she doesn't...why? because she is not getting on the mic, is that her fault no.
Best way to be entertained is what she does in the ring, she delivers! Makes other worthless divas into contenders.
Guys like bret hart and jim ross, love what she bring in the matches.
If you are not entertained by gail kim's performance, don't watch wrestling at all! Its that simple!!! Quitting hating on gail kim.
Shes a great wrestler, she is the uncrowned champ in my book.
GAIL KIM with gold around her waist bring prestige to the belt, also makes the diva roster taken seriously...nobody is going to take the divas division seriously with the current title-holders.
Use your heads ppl, open your eyes!!!!!
If you're worried that a diva is gonna get injured, that diva she leave/retire, get the f out of wrestling. PERIOD!!!

 

[D-Man]

Gail KIM deserves a shot at a title because she is a all-around wrestler. Her debut at wwe first night, She was crowned champion.
Kim has all the tools, its not her fault that her competitor are not in her level, and got no talent.
Wha does mARYSE have? Nothing, Just eye candy, same goes for eve and alicia, they are model material, not Wrestlers.
All her matches have been entertaining, they all have been solid!
Botchfest, Are you kidding me????
Gail could go to any wrestling organization and capture gold.
She is a hybrid in the divas division.
She can win matches in various ways, pinfalls submissions, her risk-tasking is a masterpiece, how many women in the industry can say they been women's champ and tna knockout champion.
Way I see it, WWE does not know how to use her, her talents are being wasted if the wwe are not properly using her.
Without Gail kim in the wwe, the wrestling in the divas roster is gone.
Gail Beth and Natalya are the three solid women wrestlers.
In tna, she made the knockout division.
Divas like lay-cool and alicia fox capturing gold, is a travesty of justice!!!!
They are not entertaining at all and they do botch many moves in the ring.
Why is ppl just pickin on gail, alicia sux, laycool sux eve sux maryse sux.
Ive seen gail kim in 15-30 mins matches.
Can maryse do that? NO!!! Why?? She has no moveset, just her hair flip and her french kiss. Thats it?!!!
Her risk taking is what draws attention in the industry, for those who say, play it safe, dont injure the other divas....reality check this is wrestling, if you don't wanna be injured, don't get in the ring.
Gail's risk-taking is her passion, how you gonna hate that, I respect what she does in the ring, she gets the crowd involved.
Personality? She has personality, but ppl think she doesn't...why? because she is not getting on the mic, is that her fault no.
Best way to be entertained is what she does in the ring, she delivers! Makes other worthless divas into contenders.
Guys like bret hart and jim ross, love what she bring in the matches.
If you are not entertained by gail kim's performance, don't watch wrestling at all! Its that simple!!! Quitting hating on gail kim.
Shes a great wrestler, she is the uncrowned champ in my book.
GAIL KIM with gold around her waist bring prestige to the belt, also makes the diva roster taken seriously...nobody is going to take the divas division seriously with the current title-holders.
Use your heads ppl, open your eyes!!!!!
If you're worried that a diva is gonna get injured, that diva she leave/retire, get the f out of wrestling. PERIOD!!!

Ignorance like this is a big factor of what's wrong with wrestling fans today. All of you hear that a wrestling match is a two-way street but you're ignorant about the second side of that coin. Just because Gail can jump off the top rope doesn't mean that she's doing it safely. And that also doesn't mean that she's executing the move correctly.

All of you praise her because she does unsafe missile dropkicks and shit. But if you look up "Gail Kim botches" through Google, you'll see at least 2 or 3 dozen entries of how sloppy she is in a ring. Then you'll all realize that just because they gave her a belt in TNA doesn't mean that she's as great as TNA made her out to be. Commentators do WONDERS for the careers of wrestlers... just look at what JR had done for many in the past. But you'll notice that's all smoke and mirrors if you really looked at one of Gail's matches from the correct point of view.

 

[RayneJames81]

Gail Kim is as talented as the rest of the WWE Divas they have at the moment. She just doesnt get used in main storylines, or one on one title matches often. I think she is more than able to have the Diva's title and defend it just as well as the rest. Lets face it, the WWE is sadly never going to focus on TRUE talent in the Diva's division. If they did Natalya would have already been a champ, Katie Lea would have been show cased alot more before being released, Jillian Hall would have held the title for more than 5 mins( and yes folks, you may hate her gimmick, but Jillian is one of the better technical female wrestlers in the WWE), and Gail too, would have held the title again on returning from TNA. Hopefully someday Gail will get a chance to shine again, I know I'd like to see her holding the Diva's Championship

 

[Remix]

Gail Kim is as talented as the rest of the WWE Divas they have at the moment.

I can name four or five women on the main rosters she's worse than, with another in FCW. And it's not hard to be in the upper echelons of tallent when you're surrounded by women who've been wrestling about as long as David Otunga.

She just doesnt get used in main storylines, or one on one title matches often.

and why is that?

I think she is more than able to have the Diva's title and defend it just as well as the rest.

Hardly a ringing endorcement.

Lets face it, the WWE is sadly never going to focus on TRUE talent in the Diva's division.

Debateable. Eve and Maryse are both hot and have a sembilance of personality, and while they botch, they aren't as consistent at doing it as Gail Kim (and they've been active wrestlers for far less time)

If they did Natalya would have already been a champ

Except that she had other things to do, and it's not her time yet.

Katie Lea would have been show cased alot more before being released

Except that she was almost as over as her brother. WHich is a bad thing if you want to be a champion.

Jillian Hall would have held the title for more than 5 mins( and yes folks, you may hate her gimmick, but Jillian is one of the better technical female wrestlers in the WWE)

Can't say I've ever watched her matches. Or her promos.

and Gail too, would have held the title again on returning from TNA.

You shot yourself in the foot there, because Gail isn't a tallent by any stretch of the imagination. If she didn't botch every single time she stepped into the ring, you might have a point.

Hopefully someday Gail will get a chance to shine again

When did she shine the first time?

I know I'd like to see her holding the Diva's Championship

I wouldn't she's simply not good enough.

 

[EversorGrande]

First time poster here.....

My friends and I have nicknames for most of the Divas, and Gail Kim has earned her name as "Fail Kim". While I will not deny that she has been around for awhile, that doesnt mean shes a great wrestler. Quite the opposite actually. Shes very prone to botching moves, whetever it was injuring herself like 2 weeks after her debut, or the absolutely dismal match she had with Mickie James so many years ago.

During her time in TNA, the only two things that stick out in my mind are 1) her matches with Awesome Kong and 2) when she took a sick Border Toss from Hernandez. Then again, Awesome Kong was one of the best female wrestlers I have seen, so its more of a testament to Kong's appeal than Gail Kim's. She hasnt fared well in either sides of the wrestling world, and I wouldnt cry if she went the way of "future endeavored".

As for some other diva nicknames, can you guess which one we call "Meaty Box"?

 

[antonio624]

See, this is what I don't understand, how is she fail kim??
Everybody is entitled to their opinion, obviously!
True wrestling fans enjoy wrestling, not whine...or.b**** about it.
If you don't like what you see, change the channel!
Don't watch her matches....get a life!!!
Those who are true fans like the brands, like the shows, love/hate the roster, but in general, don't critique, just makes ppl sound like they talking from their own a****.
Fail Kim?
Good one...not!!!
Come with better material, be more prepared, if not, u sound like a fool!

Gail Kim is a success! She is Championship material....if alicia fow can be champ, why not gail? why not natalya? why not tamina?

They have the talent in the roster, just have to use em alot better, get new rivalries, some backstage segments, mixed-tag matches. Again Gail Kim future champion again, hopefully sooner than later.

 

[D-Man]

See, this is what I don't understand, how is she fail kim??
Everybody is entitled to their opinion, obviously!
True wrestling fans enjoy wrestling, not whine...or.b**** about it.
If you don't like what you see, change the channel!
Don't watch her matches....get a life!!!
Those who are true fans like the brands, like the shows, love/hate the roster, but in general, don't critique, just makes ppl sound like they talking from their own a****.
Fail Kim?
Good one...not!!!
Come with better material, be more prepared, if not, u sound like a fool!

Gail Kim is a success! She is Championship material....if alicia fow can be champ, why not gail? why not natalya? why not tamina?

They have the talent in the roster, just have to use em alot better, get new rivalries, some backstage segments, mixed-tag matches. Again Gail Kim future champion again, hopefully sooner than later.

Thanks for that rant. But it would have been nice if you actually spoke about the subject at hand.

It's not that we are "bashing" pro-wrestling. It's the fact that we see a woman that is basically WORSHIPED by a lengthy fan base, yet many of us don't see the appeal. We see her as a danger to herself and her opponents.

So I guess this is a matter of you not liking us critiquing a wrestler that you favor. Well, in that case, don't read it. Give us your opinions, cite examples, and put up a decent argument. Otherwise, go away... you're clearly outmatched here.

 

[SpoodBeest]

Well it has been a year since her re-debut and well i'm still not impressed. Hasn't she basically been jobbing since coming back to the WWE? That's fine and dandy as she does seem to not care for opponent's well being when she is competing in matches. I guess thats here biggest issue is her sloptastic matches she continues to put on.

Also maybe she hasn't gotten anywhere because my orange colored bedroom wall has more of a character and personality than she does. Simply put it: She's a botchtastic bore and never fails to make me cringe.

 

[GenMe]

I will have to put her down, Gail is an awful wrestler. When she made her WWE return she didn't made any impact at all, and even if the WWE would have giving her a chance she would off just blow it off. Not to talk about TNA but I honestly think that she made a bad decission on returning back to the WWE, in TNA she was the number one KO and on the WWE she's IMO the MVP of the Divas division, she will never again get a big push.

So I voted for: She's overrated, totally sucks, and botches all of her moves!!

 

[Remix]

Outmatched?? By who?

Natalya, Tamina, Phoenix, Melina, Serena and AJ Lee (in FCW)

See, you're not clever and not educated.

My A-Levels say otherwise.

Like I said Before you are entitled to your opinion, so am I.

Yes. I'm also entitled think you're delusional.

Topic is gail...superior or botch, I've made my choice

As have I.

Superior...that simple.

Botch... that accurate.

I know I know, you don't agree, but who cares, I don't.

At least you've got some common sence.

I don't bash, not my thing, always two sides to everything.

Yes, I'm right, you're wrong. Two sides.

If u like it, cool
Don't, Cool
Just get a clue

Will do.

There, I made my point.

You have?

Don't knock the fanbase, everyone has bases, even you.

Actually, all your bases are belong to us.

Get A Clue, Kid

That line again?

U wouldn't understand D

What exactly don't I understand here?

 

[LigerBomb]

Outmatched?? By who?
See, you're not clever and not educated.
Like I said Before you are entitled to your opinion, so am I.
Topic is gail...superior or botch, I've made my choice
Superior...that simple.
I know I know, you don't agree, but who cares, I don't.
I don't bash, not my thing, always two sides to everything.
If u like it, cool
Don't, Cool
Just get a clue
There, I made my point.
Don't knock the fanbase, everyone has bases, even you.
Get A Clue, Kid
U wouldn't understand D

First, and this is an honest question with no sarcasm or the like: Why do you format your text like the above? Personally I find it somewhat disjointed and confusing to read and it makes me think poorly of your communication skills.
Second, everyone is entitled to opinions, even when those opinions are erroneous.
Third, the true sign of a professional is performing one's job properly and recognizing that others who may be at a different skill level than you must be there for a reason and should be protected just the same.
Gail's job isn't to try out "cool looking moves" on TV and fail, regardless of who's fault it is. Her job is to go out and have an entertaining match that makes everyone involved look good, engages and makes an emotional connection with the fans, and most importantly protect herself and her opponent/partner.
If you don't understand that you really don't have a solid grasp on the basic truths of the pro-wrestling business; and yes, while that is my opinion, it is also a fact. Attempting moves that are too advanced for your skill level and/or those of your partners' is foolish and makes everyone involved look bad. Naturally, bookers will not want to push, or put the belt on, someone who doesn't grasp these basic concepts, unless of course despite all the above they have enormous crowd response and pull in massive sales (Jeff Hardy).

 

[Goliath Uterus]

Me, I like Gail Kim. I think she is a good wrestler who always ended up in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Sure, she may botch a move from time to time (or all the time) but she's trying, and while she may be trying waaay to hard, at least she's fucking trying. The thing that makes her a poor overall wrestler is her charecter, she's sexy, but she doesn't act sexy, she just has no charisma whatsoever, that is why, in my opinion, she isnt getting pushed, not the fact that she is a very sloppy wrestler. So (even though I like her) I'm gonna go with the "botchtastic failure" vote just because she hasnt done shit, and she botches a helluva lot of moves.

 

[EversorGrande]

See, this is what I don't understand, how is she fail kim??
Everybody is entitled to their opinion, obviously!
True wrestling fans enjoy wrestling, not whine...or.b**** about it.
If you don't like what you see, change the channel!
Don't watch her matches....get a life!!!
Those who are true fans like the brands, like the shows, love/hate the roster, but in general, don't critique, just makes ppl sound like they talking from their own a****.
Fail Kim?
Good one...not!!!
Come with better material, be more prepared, if not, u sound like a fool!

Gail Kim is a success! She is Championship material....if alicia fow can be champ, why not gail? why not natalya? why not tamina?

They have the talent in the roster, just have to use em alot better, get new rivalries, some backstage segments, mixed-tag matches. Again Gail Kim future champion again, hopefully sooner than later.

Clearly you dont like my opinion of a wrestler you do like, and that is your choice. But this thread was about how each poster feels about Gail Kim. I am not "bitching or whining", but giving my opinion like the thread asks. We are all fans of certain people, and will feel slighted when someone else doesnt like them. That being said, my opinion is my opinion and I stand by it.

I just dont think Gail Kim is fun to watch. Your comment to change the channel is amusing, cause it is similar to what I do. I tend to DVR wrestling when it comes on, and will start watching it a little later. That way I can fast foward through commericals and some of the stuff I dont want to watch. Which usually includes most of the Divas matches, anything involving Josh Matthews, and some of the guest host segments. Fail Kim just doesnt interest or entertain me, and thats what I want from wrestling.

p.s. If she wants to help her case, she needs to rock the pigtails again.

 

[Ruthless-RKO]

I think she is 1 of the best divas in the WWE..and I thought they brought her back to boost the diva's division..but they haven't been using her...Her first run in the "E" was good..then she went to TNA to become the first KO womens champion...the only reason she left WWE in the first place was budget cutting...

WWE should give her a decent womens feud and a title run..she deserves it...she is great in the ring and if wwe gave her the time to show it in the ring...she would deliver..the thing is she needs to wrestle someone in her league...maybe Natalya, Beth..

 

[RayneJames81]

I think Ms. Gail Kim has what it takes to be a divas champ. Id like anyone in here to name a DIVA on the roster that hasnt botched a match or move. So what if Gail Kim has had botched moves/matches and maybe more so than others, but you do realize that it takes both superstars to sell a move/match so it cant entirely be her fault here. I like most of the WWE Divas but realisticly, only a few are technical wrestlers, while some are improving, and others cant hit more than one or two moves, and slap and pull hair. I think Gail Kim could work a lil more in the charisma area, but I think if given a great story line to work with, and actually get the spotlight, she would do quite well. Gail is just as talented as the other Raw Diva's currently(if not more so) and I am not basing my opinion on just how hot or not one is.

 

[Jonnie Walker]

I find nothing good with Gail Kim. She can't wrestle, she botches everything, her theme song is terrible, she's average looking, and I've never seen a great match out of her. Not once. Sure, I don't watch TNA, and I never have followed it closely. But I've seen a few Knockout matches in TNA, and Gail Kim must have been Kelly Kelly compared to them. She can't wrestle. I tune out if she's in a match, because I know it'll be bad. I would rather watch Maryse not even participate in a tag team match and just watch her look gorgeous on the apron, then watch Gail Kim waste precious time that I could be spending watching women with actual talent.

 

[Soapguy]

In all honestly, I think the majority of her botchtasticness (shut-up, I know it's not a word) is due to the fact that she's attempting to show off her "amazing athleticism". When she's a heel and she's not trying to fly or be quick and simply doing her suplex/hold/submission thing she's nothing to frown at. I don't think her technical abilities are amazing, but I would consider them a notch or two above solid.

So I voted yes, because there wasn't really a choice that mapped out my opinion. I think she's a great wrestler who's being held back by her unnecessarily ambitious move-set.

 

[The 1-2-3 Killam]

I just don't understand why my only choices are "She's amazing" or "She's terrible". With most of the WWE divas, it's never really clear how good or bad they are. Most of the time they fluctuate between annoying, terrible, impressive, mediocre, and great. Even Beth Pheonix, who has been a fantastic diva for her entire career, isn't doing so well right now. Some divas ARE just absolutely terrible, but if you're going to do a poll, at least give me the chance to say she's mediocre.

When Gail Kim first came back to the WWE, I was dissapointed. She was botching moves and finishes left and right, and she wasn't coming close to meeting the internet hype that was heaped upon her. But watching Raw in the last few weeks has given me hope for her. She has performed some of the best moves in the ring, and they've looked pretty good. She isn't getting the win, but she's getting noticed (by people who are paying attention to more than the end anyway). Her guillotine leg-lock at Fatal 4-Way was extremely impressive, and she's proving herself as one of the best divas on Raw (not that the competition is that great).

All in all, the divas division is comparably in bad shape, and that's REALLY saying something. On occasion the matches are decent, but the Smackdown divas are just frustrating and annoying as hell. The Raw divas are mixed together, and don't ever perform consistently. IF you put Gail Kim next to a Beth Pheonix, Mickie James, or Trish Stratus, she's nothing special in my opinion. But compared to the landscape of today's product, a product that got rid of Mickie James and refuses to push Beth Pheonix, and insists on Laycool being more annoying than Michael Cole...she's not half bad.

 

[LigerBomb]

I just don't understand why my only choices are "She's amazing" or "She's terrible".

It's becuase those are the only two choices the poll maker decided to included... Duh?!

With most of the WWE divas, it's never really clear how good or bad they are. Most of the time they fluctuate between annoying, terrible, impressive, mediocre, and great. Even Beth Pheonix, who has been a fantastic diva for her entire career, isn't doing so well right now.

Being out on injury tends to do that.

When Gail Kim first came back to the WWE, I was dissapointed. She was botching moves and finishes left and right, and she wasn't coming close to meeting the internet hype that was heaped upon her.

Can't argue with that.

But watching Raw in the last few weeks has given me hope for her. She has performed some of the best moves in the ring, and they've looked pretty good.

I dunno. I don't think that performing the "best moves" in a match really means anything in terms of being a good worker.

She isn't getting the win, but she's getting noticed (by people who are paying attention to more than the end anyway). Her guillotine leg-lock at Fatal 4-Way was extremely impressive, and she's proving herself as one of the best divas on Raw (not that the competition is that great).

Exactly. The few people she's better than aren't worth a damn anyway so that's not an accomplishment of note. That said, there are plenty on Raw that are better than Kim. I gotta disagree about her being "one of the best".
-As an aside, there can really only be one "best" by definition anyway and it ain't Kim no matter the terminology.

All in all, the divas division is comparably in bad shape, and that's REALLY saying something.

Compared to what/who/when? I'm just asking for the sake of clarity.

On occasion the matches are decent, but the Smackdown divas are just frustrating and annoying as hell. The Raw divas are mixed together, and don't ever perform consistently.

Que? Smackdown's dual champ angle is one of the best things going WWE Diva-wise. And how do you mix something if not together? It's not like you can mix separate.

IF you put Gail Kim next to a Beth Pheonix, Mickie James, or Trish Stratus, she's nothing special in my opinion.

Agreed.

But compared to the landscape of today's product, a product that got rid of Mickie James and refuses to push Beth Pheonix, and insists on Laycool being more annoying than Michael Cole...she's not half bad.

Mickie left to pursue music interests w/o the help of WWE and apparently couldn't keep a flat tummy. Ergo, Mickie James got rid of Mickie James. Beth is injured with a knee ligament tear so it's kinda hard to push someone when just walking is an issue (unless of course your goal is to make them fall over). And again Team Laycool is getting great heat and works exceptionally well as a dual Champions. Kinda shaky on the Kaval addition as I don't think he's getting the point of the joke yet. Regardless, the angle is working exactly how it's intended to be for the moment so I have to strongly disagree.

 

[Soapguy]

It's becuase those are the only two choices the poll maker decided to included... Duh?!. . . .Agreed.Mickie left to pursue music interests w/o the help of WWE and apparently couldn't keep a flat tummy. Ergo, Mickie James got rid of Mickie James. . . .And again Team Laycool is getting great heat and works exceptionally well as a dual Champions. Kinda shaky on the Kaval addition as I don't think he's getting the point of the joke yet. Regardless, the angle is working exactly how it's intended to be for the moment so I have to strongly disagree.

First, dichotomic polls are always fail central when trying to find out public opinion. A "she's okay" choice should've been included.

Second, James did not leave to pursue music. She decided to pursue music after being fired. Her lack of flat tummy,that only Laycool and Mr. McMahon seemed to notice, is kind of irrelevant (she's never been skinny by WWE Diva standards). If anyone needs to go for gaining weight then it sure as hell better be Matt Hardy. At least her "tummy" hasn't impacted her in ring performance. Oh, but wait. . . She's a woman, so obviously her weight is a big deal.

Third, Laycool is without a doubt my favorite thing about Smackdown. So, I have to agree with you on that point. Layla's comedic skills is all kinds of win.

Liger, do you honestly think that Kim isn't among the best female wrestlers on the roster now? I realize that's not saying much because. . look at the female roster right now, would you not put her in the top five? If not the top three? If not I'd really like to know what your top five looks like.

 

[LigerBomb]

Appreciate the gray rep Soapy & Saritafan really I do. Thanks SF for the rep comment (gives me something to work with) too.

"you don't have to reply to everyone who doesn't share the same opinion as you...stupid cunt. Gail kim is awesome, you suck"

I don't have to. And in fact were you to read this whole thread I haven't. Not even close. That said I certainly wouldn't spam up a thread by saying I just agree with people and add nothing to the topic. Replying to those with whom you disagree is kinda the point. Were we all to agree it would just be some Horowitz-esque circle jerk party; all of us breaking our arms to feverishly pat one other on the back. No thanks. But again, I appreciate the gray rep. Oh, and here's that smiley right back at ya.

First, dichotomic polls are always fail central when trying to find out public opinion. A "she's okay" choice should've been included.

Second, saying "fail central" is "all kinds of win"... Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda, it wasn't.

Second, James did not leave to pursue music. She decided to pursue music after being fired.

That's not the way I heard it. I was under the impression that she had dabbled with the music thing on/off for a while while she was with WWE and perhaps even a bit before. Heck she was laying down the current album's tracks back when she still had a WWE job.

Her lack of flat tummy,that only Laycool and Mr. McMahon seemed to notice, is kind of irrelevant (she's never been skinny by WWE Diva standards).

It's not irrelevant when you are in the appearance business, and make no mistake Pro wrestling is heavily centered around looking the part (I mean it has to be, it's all phony). And again it's not irrelevant when the opinion is of Vince McMahon, who in this case is the boss of bosses of your job. Being "in-shape" as a wrestler --unless your gimmick denotes otherwise-- is like wearing your uniform to work or suit to the office. Your boss can damn sure fire you after repeatedly warning you to show up to work in the proper attire.

If anyone needs to go for gaining weight then it sure as hell better be Matt Hardy.

Couldn't agree more, too bad we're not talking about that Fatty though.

At least her "tummy" hasn't impacted her in ring performance.

I was using "tummy" to be polite. We can start calling it a paunch if you'd like.

Oh, but wait. . . She's a woman, so obviously her weight is a big deal.

Congratz, now your catching on. Yes, a woman's appearance is of critical importance; this is especially true when she is in an absurdly image conscious business that requires her to be on TV in skimpy outfits week-in-and-week-out.

Third, Laycool is without a doubt my favorite thing about Smackdown. So, I have to agree with you on that point. Layla's comedic skills is all kinds of win.

Agree about those ladies again. Let's not make a habit out of this.

Liger, do you honestly think that Kim isn't among the best female wrestlers on the roster now? I realize that's not saying much because. . look at the female roster right now, would you not put her in the top five? If not the top three? If not I'd really like to know what your top five looks like.

I'll put it this way I once heard that any idiot can buy some tights and a pair of boots learn some moves and call themselves a "wrestler" but that doesn't make them a worker, and that's what the business is all about. Can she do flashy moves? Sometimes, yes. Can she do those moves better than many other females on Raw (or Smackdown for that matter)? Yes. But "So what?", that's simply not the point of her job. The business needs workers not wrestlers (good as they may or may not be), and at this particular moment in time she's is struggling to be a great worker. Will it be a forever-type thing? I hope not, but that's up to her.

 

[The 1-2-3 Killam]

I'll put it this way I once heard that any idiot can buy some tights and a pair of boots learn some moves and call themselves a "wrestler" but that doesn't make them a worker, and that's what the business is all about. Can she do flashy moves? Sometimes, yes. Can she do those moves better than many other females on Raw (or Smackdown for that matter)? Yes. But "So what?", that's simply not the point of her job. The business needs workers not wrestlers (good as they may or may not be), and at this particular moment in time she's is struggling to be a great worker. Will it be a forever-type thing? I hope not, but that's up to her.

I completely agree with you here. I don't think Gail Kim is great, but I think she has definitely been improving since her debut. I was just pointing out that it would have been nice to have some middle ground to vote on. I don't think she's god-awful, but I don't think she's great enough to get a title shot right now. You're right, flashy moves don't make you a great worker. I hope she continues to progress, but right now she's not the best divas on Raw by any means.

And I'm very sorry about the Beth Phoenix thing. I hadn't watched Smackdown too often when she went out with the injury, and I completely forgot about it. That does, in fact, explain why she's not getting a push...

 

[Mitch Henessey]

You know something, a while ago I thought Gail Kim might be getting a raw deal in WWE(mainly because she was a big star in TNA) but after watching her matches since her WWE return, there's nothing wrong with her status in WWE. Alicia Fox was a better choice for Diva's Champion. She might not be the greatest in the ring, but at least she's not a potential hazard in the ring like Gail Kim can be. Everyone wanted to root for her during her feud with Kong, because she was going up against the big bad bully, and she was an inspirational character, but besides her feud with Kong, she didn't do anything special or worth remembering in TNA.

Eve has improved a lot, and she has more personality than Kim. Natalya is way better in the ring than Kim, and when Melina returns, Kim will probably fall further down the Diva's ladder on Raw. There are plenty of better choices for Diva's champion on Raw, and there are other Divas who deserved to be pushed over Kim, and it will continue to happen.

 

[Soapguy]

Appreciate the gray rep Soapy & Saritafan really I do.

I'm quite positive I gave you a positve rep, while I don't agree with you. I think you're quite humorous. I make it a habit of handing out green reps to people who make me chuckle. But. . .yeah, you either got a green rep from me or none at all, I don't do the thumbs down thing.

That's not the way I heard it. I was under the impression that she had dabbled with the music thing on/off for a while while she was with WWE and perhaps even a bit before. Heck she was laying down the current album's tracks back when she still had a WWE job.

http://www.cagesideseats.com/2010/6/25/1537552/mickie-james-on-her-release-from

She admits she was released here. Of course, one can speculate that her pursuing music and her "weight" issues may've had something to do with it. I'm completely on board that speculation.

I'll put it this way I once heard that any idiot can buy some tights and a pair of boots learn some moves and call themselves a "wrestler" but that doesn't make them a worker, and that's what the business is all about. Can she do flashy moves? Sometimes, yes. Can she do those moves better than many other females on Raw (or Smackdown for that matter)? Yes. But "So what?", that's simply not the point of her job. The business needs workers not wrestlers (good as they may or may not be), and at this particular moment in time she's is struggling to be a great worker. Will it be a forever-type thing? I hope not, but that's up to her.

I agree whole-heartedly. I also agree that we shouldn't make a habit out of agreeing. ;-) The thing is, I doubt the WWE is seriously interested in hiring female "workers". I mean, if Mickie James is anything but gorgeous in the eyes of McMahon and company then amazing female wrestlers like LuFisto, MsChif, Awesome Kong, and Hamada don't really stand a chance (though in reality they're all more talented then quite a few males on the roster). Gorgeous and capable women like Gail, Phoenix, and Serena are really our only hope. Which is really a shame, because I love me some women's wrestling. Oh, well. I guess that's what Shimmer is for.

 

[LigerBomb]

I'm quite positive I gave you a positve rep, while I don't agree with you. I think you're quite humorous. I make it a habit of handing out green reps to people who make me chuckle. But. . .yeah, you either got a green rep from me or none at all, I don't do the thumbs down thing.

It's gray and you left no comment so I had no idea what I was to imply from it Apologies (although honestly I've no issue with red rep. I just find it humorous when people get so bent out of shape with others and their respective opinions)

http://www.cagesideseats.com/2010/6/25/1537552/mickie-james-on-her-release-from

She admits she was released here. Of course, one can speculate that her pursuing music and her "weight" issues may've had something to do with it. I'm completely on board that speculation.

I've a feeling she was just not doing what the company wanted and rubbed the wrong people the wrong way. Be it weight lose failure, "attitude" issues and/or not letting the WWE machine handle her music aspirations.

I agree whole-heartedly. I also agree that we shouldn't make a habit out of agreeing. ;-) The thing is, I doubt the WWE is seriously interested in hiring female "workers". I mean, if Mickie James is anything but gorgeous in the eyes of McMahon and company then amazing female wrestlers like LuFisto, MsChif, Awesome Kong, and Hamada don't really stand a chance (though in reality they're all more talented then quite a few males on the roster). Gorgeous and capable women like Gail, Phoenix, and Serena are really our only hope. Which is really a shame, because I love me some women's wrestling. Oh, well. I guess that's what Shimmer is for.

Thing is all of those people mentioned with the exception of Kong have no reason to not be able to achieve a "Diva" level physique --neither did Mickie. For what ever reason they all just choose not to. And it's most definitely their right to do so, as it is WWE's right to have no interest in hiring them --and fire their current employees who also choose not to look how WWE prefers.

Finally, let me say this. I don't use the term "worker" the way many people seem to use it these days. I use it more within the context of work vs. shoot, i.e. con vs. legit. That is to say, a good "worker" is a person who is good at the 'con' of pro-wrestling. And I don't mean 'con' in a pejorative sense either. I mean it as a way to imply you hook the crowd, draw them in, and make them willingly and actively want to suspend their disbelief.
You make them form an emotional connection, to you personally and to what you are doing. This is true of your physical actions in the ring and also all the other things that are taking place outside it.
He/she is a great "worker" if they can 'work' a crowd and separate the 'marks' from their money. As a wrestler that is your ultimate job in the business. To make your employer money is the be-all-end-all. This term working/worker is not to be confused or implied as meaning someone who works really hard or technically well in the ring. Sure in-ring ability is one way to sell tickets but it's not the only way, and actually when you look at the history of the business it's not even the most successful way.
Ex: Hogan, fantastic worker, mediocre 'wrestler'. Likewise, Santino is a brilliant worker right now. He gets a crowd response and people generally enjoy and look forward to his segments/involvement in angles. He can push merch, hardly has to bump and mostly hangs out with the guest hosts and divas... nice work if you can get it. Yes, that was a double entendre. Looking at the Divas for a moment, at this point in time Team Laycool are working great and therefore they are great workers.
If Gail want's to be a great worker --as I think of the term-- she can most certainly do it by being brilliant in the ring, and I'm not trying to suggest otherwise, but as I said before she isn't doing that right now at all. In fact she often complicates a simple job and gets lost in trying to put on a "great match" and misses the point that she's there to work the crowd (a WWE crowd mind you) instead.
Were this a SHIMMER or even a typical indy crowd the way to work that crowd may indeed be spot-fests light on logical psychology and heavy on flash and risk taking. That seems to be a way to draw repeat business on that level and for that specific audience.
But that's not the crowd she's currently performing for; the WWE audience is more about the substance, emotion, and for lack of a better term, the 'theatrics' of wrestling. For now, those are her marks. That's the demo who she's been hired to work. That is her primary job right now and if she can master that, in the ring, on the mic or behind the scenes in press and appearances, then she'll be considered a great worker by those that matter. Consequently she'll also have a nice long prosperous and mutually beneficial stay in WWE.