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Fatal Fourway
Date: June 20, 2010
Location: Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum, Uniondale, New York
Commentators: Michael Cole, Matt Striker, Jerry Lawler
So we have the double main event here as we have eight guys in two world title matches. This has been an interesting build though as those two don’t have much as far as intrigue go, so they’ve built around them. Instead now it’s about the NXT Invasion and Kane’s quest. This is brilliant from a build perspective and the ratings have shown that. I’m looking forward to it, so let’s get to it.
And we start with Vince. Ok then. We go to a recap of the Bret/NXT car thing from Monday night which makes sense. I like how this is starting off. Bret is gone for awhile apparently. And that’s all there is to it I guess.
Intercontinental Title: Drew McIntyre vs. Kofi Kingston
Nice transition there with Vince being Drew’s big fan. Drew is very attractive. That is all. Actually it isn’t but you get the idea. Before Kofi comes out we see Vince getting into his car. Remember that. Drew calls out Teddy Long for no apparent reason. McIntyre says Teddy looks pathetic and that he wants Teddy to hand the IC Belt to him once he gets it back. Chimmel messes up the place Kofi is from, calling it West Ghana, Africa. Kofi starts off by jumping him which doesn’t last long. I think I’m starting to get the issues people have with Drew’s offense. It just doesn’t look right for some reason. We hit the formula as Drew goes for the leg…and now the arm. Ok then. Alright he’s staying with the arm. That’s fine then. Striker says it compromises Kofi’s strategy, even though it doesn’t as Kofi mainly uses his legs. Drew hooks an armbar, which makes sense. It’s a rest hold, but it’s not something generic like a chinlock so it’s far more acceptable. We get a DOOM reference of all things which is a team you NEVER hear about anymore. Well he’s not using the right limb but at least he’s sticking with it. Lawler and Striker have a weird relationship which is kind of funny actually. I’m never sure if they hate each other or not, which makes them far more interesting. Kofi goes for a sunset flip but his arm doesn’t work. NICE. Drew kicks the arm and the psychology is working here. It’s not smart, but it’s consistent at least. Kofi gets a DDT out of NOWHERE with a flip in a nice counter and we’re back to even. It amazes me how 7 minutes of a beating is canceled by one move but that’s how it always works. We’re about ten minutes in here and you know the end is coming. That’s the big problem with WWE: the match formulas are rather predictable. Kofi gets sent to the apron but Drew goes for a belly to back. Kofi falls on him for two and then gets his head taken off by a kick. Does EVERYONE use a big boot anymore? Future Shock doesn’t work and a tornado DDT gets two for Kofi. Solid match thus far. Kofi even sells the arm! Kofi does that running punch in the corner thing and gets a running powerbomb for his troubles. Nice one too. The SOS gets two which is nice as it’s the same thing that he won the title with but it doesn’t work here. Kofi gets a headscissors but Drew shoves him off and into the referee. Enter Teddy Long I’m guessing. Future Shock hits and there’s no referee. Drew goes to get Teddy and rips the referee’s shirt off, telling Teddy to make the count. I can see it coming from here. Teddy goes to two and just stops dead, shaking his head at Drew. The look of fear on his face is just priceless. So, Kofi hasn’t moved in about three minutes now. Is he like dead or something? Matt Hardy runs in and hits a BAD Twist of Fate to allow the Trouble in Paradise to hit. Teddy of course count the three. Ending really hurt it.
Rating: B-. Like I said the ending hurt this as Kofi was out forever and the overbooking was just kind of stupid. That being said there was some very solid psychology here and everything seemed to work quite well. Drew is still not that good in the ring, but he’s getting there slowly I think. I still don’t get the whole deal with him though, but this was decent.
The Hart-Dynasty say they’ll make Bret proud. I see why they rarely let Kidd talk. He’s got some Benoit in him which is a good thing though.
Raw Women’s Title: Maryse vs. Alicia Fox vs. Gail Kim vs. Eve Torres
Eve is in blue again so I can’t complain at all. Everyone is in this at once which does little to get my hopes up on this. Yeah I don’t care at all about this. Everyone goes for submissions at once but everyone breaks them up to play up the whole fatal aspect of this. The ropes can’t be used for breaks apparently. I’d bet that’ll be compromised about a million times here. Eve hooks a camel clutch and Gail gets a Boston Crab on Alicia at the same time. Maryse runs her mouth off and Alicia blasts her. Gail hits a dropkick which Striker of course calls a Jumping Bomb Angel Double Stomp. I hate him at times. Eve hits a very fast neckbreaker on Maryse and doesn’t cover, instead hitting a bad moonsault. And Alicia Fox wins the title by stealing the pin on Maryse. Oh dear.
Rating: D. Seriously, are we supposed to care about Alicia Fox? She’s been on TV like once this year and is now the champion. I don’t get the appeal of her at all, but I guess someone does. I still don’t care about the division at all, but it needs to be merged with the other one to help it survive.
Rey and Big Show waste our time. Rey is just annoying anymore.
And here’s Chris Jericho. Uh, ok? Jericho says that anyone under the age of 25 watches the WWE because of him and his hooking us to the company. He talks about how Barrett has been more important than he has lately. This is an interesting sounding promo as he talks about being an underdog. He talks for a LONG time and he wants a rematch with Bourne tonight. Jericho is almost coming off as looking for sympathy here. Almost.
Chris Jericho vs. Evan Bourne
You can never accuse Jericho of not helping the young guys. You can tell Bourne is excited and fired up to be here which is a very nice thing to see. It’s great to see the young guys being given a chance. Even if they botch it, they’ve got a chance. The fans cheer for Jericho as we’re in the smark capital of the world. Bourne hits a sweet dive off the top to the floor to take out Jericho. Jericho hits a standard dropkick which isn’t something that he throws out most of the time. It’s nice to see things like that so I can’t help but smile. Jericho hooks a chinlock and you can feel an energy here which is nice. There’s a nice German suplex as Jericho is busting out a lot of stuff here. Jericho gets a great roll through of a something into the Walls and Bourne is in trouble. He makes the ropes of course but there was a chance that it could work there. That’s something I haven’t felt in a very long time. Jericho throws him to the floor and he hits the table. FREAKING OW MAN. Back in, Bourne hits a double knee to the top of Jericho (call it his shoulders I guess) for two. He goes for Air Bourne but takes WAY too long. He lands on his feet but eats the Codebreaker. Foot on the ropes though as this is a VERY good match. Jericho just starts yelling at him to stay down and runs into a rollup for two. Not really anything to sweat but a nice one. Air Bourne is blocked again and we go up. Jericho gets knocked down but Jericho gets up AGAIN and crotches Bourne. Sorry for all the play by play here but this is back and forth. Jericho goes down a THIRD time and Bourne hits the Shooting Star to the back and GETS THE CLEAN PIN. WOW.
Rating: B+. I LOVED this. It’s not a great match, but damn it built up really well and Bourne gets the clean win. That is how you make a guy look great. Also, to everyone that has said Bourne has nothing, screw you all. This was a great match which he seems to have more and more of lately. Nah couldn’t be talent could it?
We recap the Smackdown title match, which somehow is about Kane and Taker. Uh, sure. Well at least it’s going to tie in and I believe Kane said one of them was guilty and would pay tonight so there we go.
Smackdown World Title: Big Show vs. CM Punk vs. Rey Mysterio vs. Jack Swagger
Striker keeps calling him the Giant Big Show. Sure why not? Punk sends the SES to the back. Rey is still annoying. No way Swagger wins here, at least I don’t think. Everybody gangs up on Show to start and it doesn’t work at all. Oh look: Rey vs. Show. This has NEVER been done before. Nope not even close. So once they all try to beat him up, Rey takes him down on his own. Oh dear. They all gang up on Show and get him to the floor. Lawler says would you ever believe you would see Punk and Rey working together. Cole: I can’t believe Punk and Rey are getting along!” I hate Cole sometimes. I truly do. It’s Rey vs. Swagger now as we’re doing the regular formula of one on one while two guys are down, which is understandable at least. Mysterio and Punk are both in yellow. Punk suplexes Rey as Swagger suplexes Punk. Nice spot there. Gutwrench doesn’t work on Punk and neither does the 619 as Show is back. In a HILARIOUS botch, Cole says Show goes for Rey as he’s the smallest man in the match and that Show made no mistake there. Shame that it’s Punk and not Rey. GTS hits on Swagger in a surprising power move. And that’s Kane’s cue, complete with casket. Kane goes for Punk and into the casket peasant! Gallows makes the save and Punk runs. Sure why not. 619 hits Swagger and the springboard splash wins him the world title. DAMN IT!
Rating: B-. As much as I can’t stand the ending, this was a pretty solid match. They had me guessing at the ending for the majority of the match which is the idea. The fans popped huge for it so they have the right idea there. This was a solid match, but DAMN I hate this choice. I truly do.
Ad for the MITB PPV. Not sure if I like that or not.
Cena says he’s ready for the NXT guys and that they’ll stand united against them if they show up.
US Title: Miz vs. R-Truth
Miz imitates Truth’s rap. This is kind of funny if nothing else. Truth controls early as you would expect I guess. That’s doesn’t last long so here we go. Miz dominates for awhile and then the referee has to stop things to check on Truth to see if he can continue which is part of the policy now too. Truth is hurt apparently as this is just a boring match. I think I get the point of the title change on Monday but I’m not entirely sure. The whole thing is about his ribs hurting and I just cannot get into this at all. He hits a Downward Spiral and a suplex into a Stunner both for two. Yeah his ribs must be KILLING him. Truth misses a top rope cross body but gets a small package for two anyway. That was so stupid it made my head hurt. Miz reverses into a pinning combination for the retaining.
Rating: D. I just could not get into this whatsoever. It wasn’t interesting or entertaining at all and the total lack of basic sanity from Truth (he missed a cross body onto injured ribs and is fine 4 seconds later) just sucked the life out of this thing for me. Bad match and horrible ending. I didn’t like it at all.
Edge wants to talk about psychology. Ok then. Cena is shaken because of all the other losses in fatal fourways tonight. Orton is shaken because of his shoulder. Sheamus is nervous because he’s not ready yet. Also Orton, Cena and Edge have main evented a dozen Wrestlemanias. I can think of I believe 5?
Hart Dynasty vs. Usos/Tamina
When did this stop being a tag title match? Whatever. The Usos have beaten Goldust and Mark Henry. Oh joy. The women start us off. The Usos are a nice idea as they’re Samoans that aren’t savages. You know, because Rikishi and Rock were SAVAGES. Jimmy Uso sounds like Jimmy Olsen.
Fatal Fourway
Date: June 20, 2010
Location: Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum, Uniondale, New York
Commentators: Michael Cole, Matt Striker, Jerry Lawler
So we have the double main event here as we have eight guys in two world title matches. This has been an interesting build though as those two don’t have much as far as intrigue go, so they’ve built around them. Instead now it’s about the NXT Invasion and Kane’s quest. This is brilliant from a build perspective and the ratings have shown that. I’m looking forward to it, so let’s get to it.
And we start with Vince. Ok then. We go to a recap of the Bret/NXT car thing from Monday night which makes sense. I like how this is starting off. Bret is gone for awhile apparently. And that’s all there is to it I guess.
Intercontinental Title: Drew McIntyre vs. Kofi Kingston
Nice transition there with Vince being Drew’s big fan. Drew is very attractive. That is all. Actually it isn’t but you get the idea. Before Kofi comes out we see Vince getting into his car. Remember that. Drew calls out Teddy Long for no apparent reason. McIntyre says Teddy looks pathetic and that he wants Teddy to hand the IC Belt to him once he gets it back. Chimmel messes up the place Kofi is from, calling it West Ghana, Africa. Kofi starts off by jumping him which doesn’t last long. I think I’m starting to get the issues people have with Drew’s offense. It just doesn’t look right for some reason. We hit the formula as Drew goes for the leg…and now the arm. Ok then. Alright he’s staying with the arm. That’s fine then. Striker says it compromises Kofi’s strategy, even though it doesn’t as Kofi mainly uses his legs. Drew hooks an armbar, which makes sense. It’s a rest hold, but it’s not something generic like a chinlock so it’s far more acceptable. We get a DOOM reference of all things which is a team you NEVER hear about anymore. Well he’s not using the right limb but at least he’s sticking with it. Lawler and Striker have a weird relationship which is kind of funny actually. I’m never sure if they hate each other or not, which makes them far more interesting. Kofi goes for a sunset flip but his arm doesn’t work. NICE. Drew kicks the arm and the psychology is working here. It’s not smart, but it’s consistent at least. Kofi gets a DDT out of NOWHERE with a flip in a nice counter and we’re back to even. It amazes me how 7 minutes of a beating is canceled by one move but that’s how it always works. We’re about ten minutes in here and you know the end is coming. That’s the big problem with WWE: the match formulas are rather predictable. Kofi gets sent to the apron but Drew goes for a belly to back. Kofi falls on him for two and then gets his head taken off by a kick. Does EVERYONE use a big boot anymore? Future Shock doesn’t work and a tornado DDT gets two for Kofi. Solid match thus far. Kofi even sells the arm! Kofi does that running punch in the corner thing and gets a running powerbomb for his troubles. Nice one too. The SOS gets two which is nice as it’s the same thing that he won the title with but it doesn’t work here. Kofi gets a headscissors but Drew shoves him off and into the referee. Enter Teddy Long I’m guessing. Future Shock hits and there’s no referee. Drew goes to get Teddy and rips the referee’s shirt off, telling Teddy to make the count. I can see it coming from here. Teddy goes to two and just stops dead, shaking his head at Drew. The look of fear on his face is just priceless. So, Kofi hasn’t moved in about three minutes now. Is he like dead or something? Matt Hardy runs in and hits a BAD Twist of Fate to allow the Trouble in Paradise to hit. Teddy of course count the three. Ending really hurt it.
Rating: B-. Like I said the ending hurt this as Kofi was out forever and the overbooking was just kind of stupid. That being said there was some very solid psychology here and everything seemed to work quite well. Drew is still not that good in the ring, but he’s getting there slowly I think. I still don’t get the whole deal with him though, but this was decent.
The Hart-Dynasty say they’ll make Bret proud. I see why they rarely let Kidd talk. He’s got some Benoit in him which is a good thing though.
Raw Women’s Title: Maryse vs. Alicia Fox vs. Gail Kim vs. Eve Torres
Eve is in blue again so I can’t complain at all. Everyone is in this at once which does little to get my hopes up on this. Yeah I don’t care at all about this. Everyone goes for submissions at once but everyone breaks them up to play up the whole fatal aspect of this. The ropes can’t be used for breaks apparently. I’d bet that’ll be compromised about a million times here. Eve hooks a camel clutch and Gail gets a Boston Crab on Alicia at the same time. Maryse runs her mouth off and Alicia blasts her. Gail hits a dropkick which Striker of course calls a Jumping Bomb Angel Double Stomp. I hate him at times. Eve hits a very fast neckbreaker on Maryse and doesn’t cover, instead hitting a bad moonsault. And Alicia Fox wins the title by stealing the pin on Maryse. Oh dear.
Rating: D. Seriously, are we supposed to care about Alicia Fox? She’s been on TV like once this year and is now the champion. I don’t get the appeal of her at all, but I guess someone does. I still don’t care about the division at all, but it needs to be merged with the other one to help it survive.
Rey and Big Show waste our time. Rey is just annoying anymore.
And here’s Chris Jericho. Uh, ok? Jericho says that anyone under the age of 25 watches the WWE because of him and his hooking us to the company. He talks about how Barrett has been more important than he has lately. This is an interesting sounding promo as he talks about being an underdog. He talks for a LONG time and he wants a rematch with Bourne tonight. Jericho is almost coming off as looking for sympathy here. Almost.
Chris Jericho vs. Evan Bourne
You can never accuse Jericho of not helping the young guys. You can tell Bourne is excited and fired up to be here which is a very nice thing to see. It’s great to see the young guys being given a chance. Even if they botch it, they’ve got a chance. The fans cheer for Jericho as we’re in the smark capital of the world. Bourne hits a sweet dive off the top to the floor to take out Jericho. Jericho hits a standard dropkick which isn’t something that he throws out most of the time. It’s nice to see things like that so I can’t help but smile. Jericho hooks a chinlock and you can feel an energy here which is nice. There’s a nice German suplex as Jericho is busting out a lot of stuff here. Jericho gets a great roll through of a something into the Walls and Bourne is in trouble. He makes the ropes of course but there was a chance that it could work there. That’s something I haven’t felt in a very long time. Jericho throws him to the floor and he hits the table. FREAKING OW MAN. Back in, Bourne hits a double knee to the top of Jericho (call it his shoulders I guess) for two. He goes for Air Bourne but takes WAY too long. He lands on his feet but eats the Codebreaker. Foot on the ropes though as this is a VERY good match. Jericho just starts yelling at him to stay down and runs into a rollup for two. Not really anything to sweat but a nice one. Air Bourne is blocked again and we go up. Jericho gets knocked down but Jericho gets up AGAIN and crotches Bourne. Sorry for all the play by play here but this is back and forth. Jericho goes down a THIRD time and Bourne hits the Shooting Star to the back and GETS THE CLEAN PIN. WOW.
Rating: B+. I LOVED this. It’s not a great match, but damn it built up really well and Bourne gets the clean win. That is how you make a guy look great. Also, to everyone that has said Bourne has nothing, screw you all. This was a great match which he seems to have more and more of lately. Nah couldn’t be talent could it?
We recap the Smackdown title match, which somehow is about Kane and Taker. Uh, sure. Well at least it’s going to tie in and I believe Kane said one of them was guilty and would pay tonight so there we go.
Smackdown World Title: Big Show vs. CM Punk vs. Rey Mysterio vs. Jack Swagger
Striker keeps calling him the Giant Big Show. Sure why not? Punk sends the SES to the back. Rey is still annoying. No way Swagger wins here, at least I don’t think. Everybody gangs up on Show to start and it doesn’t work at all. Oh look: Rey vs. Show. This has NEVER been done before. Nope not even close. So once they all try to beat him up, Rey takes him down on his own. Oh dear. They all gang up on Show and get him to the floor. Lawler says would you ever believe you would see Punk and Rey working together. Cole: I can’t believe Punk and Rey are getting along!” I hate Cole sometimes. I truly do. It’s Rey vs. Swagger now as we’re doing the regular formula of one on one while two guys are down, which is understandable at least. Mysterio and Punk are both in yellow. Punk suplexes Rey as Swagger suplexes Punk. Nice spot there. Gutwrench doesn’t work on Punk and neither does the 619 as Show is back. In a HILARIOUS botch, Cole says Show goes for Rey as he’s the smallest man in the match and that Show made no mistake there. Shame that it’s Punk and not Rey. GTS hits on Swagger in a surprising power move. And that’s Kane’s cue, complete with casket. Kane goes for Punk and into the casket peasant! Gallows makes the save and Punk runs. Sure why not. 619 hits Swagger and the springboard splash wins him the world title. DAMN IT!
Rating: B-. As much as I can’t stand the ending, this was a pretty solid match. They had me guessing at the ending for the majority of the match which is the idea. The fans popped huge for it so they have the right idea there. This was a solid match, but DAMN I hate this choice. I truly do.
Ad for the MITB PPV. Not sure if I like that or not.
Cena says he’s ready for the NXT guys and that they’ll stand united against them if they show up.
US Title: Miz vs. R-Truth
Miz imitates Truth’s rap. This is kind of funny if nothing else. Truth controls early as you would expect I guess. That’s doesn’t last long so here we go. Miz dominates for awhile and then the referee has to stop things to check on Truth to see if he can continue which is part of the policy now too. Truth is hurt apparently as this is just a boring match. I think I get the point of the title change on Monday but I’m not entirely sure. The whole thing is about his ribs hurting and I just cannot get into this at all. He hits a Downward Spiral and a suplex into a Stunner both for two. Yeah his ribs must be KILLING him. Truth misses a top rope cross body but gets a small package for two anyway. That was so stupid it made my head hurt. Miz reverses into a pinning combination for the retaining.
Rating: D. I just could not get into this whatsoever. It wasn’t interesting or entertaining at all and the total lack of basic sanity from Truth (he missed a cross body onto injured ribs and is fine 4 seconds later) just sucked the life out of this thing for me. Bad match and horrible ending. I didn’t like it at all.
Edge wants to talk about psychology. Ok then. Cena is shaken because of all the other losses in fatal fourways tonight. Orton is shaken because of his shoulder. Sheamus is nervous because he’s not ready yet. Also Orton, Cena and Edge have main evented a dozen Wrestlemanias. I can think of I believe 5?
Hart Dynasty vs. Usos/Tamina
When did this stop being a tag title match? Whatever. The Usos have beaten Goldust and Mark Henry. Oh joy. The women start us off. The Usos are a nice idea as they’re Samoans that aren’t savages. You know, because Rikishi and Rock were SAVAGES. Jimmy Uso sounds like Jimmy Olsen.
He held the ribs on the ground and then got a roll up. Guys with hurt ribs can't roll somebody up? That was nothing compared to Evan Bourne completely no selling the damage done by the Walls of Jericho.
Fuel The Fire
Getting Noticed By Management
damn kb that was fast!!!
Just a funny note for those following, I know the forums ain't related to the main site, but during the Miz/Truth match, whoever was posting the results constantly refered to Truth as Kingston lol. True Story.
And I agree with Hardy being why Punk is where he was. if Punk cashed in against ANYONE else, he could not have become the uber heal he is, because he wouldn't have beaten the super popular, drug abusing Jeff Hardy.
And I agree with Hardy being why Punk is where he was. if Punk cashed in against ANYONE else, he could not have become the uber heal he is, because he wouldn't have beaten the super popular, drug abusing Jeff Hardy.
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
So a Walls of Jericho that hasn't won a match this year for about 20 seconds is worse than about 5-6 minutes of working on the ribs and then crashing down on them from the top rope? Yeah....that's just incorrect.
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
These live reviews are really helpful at times.
Little Jerry Lawler
Sigmund Freud On Ritalin And Roids
Yep.
Shit kb, you should write the results on the main page. rather then this shit.
tells me nothing about the promo. Ugh
modest-genius
Occasional Pre-Show
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
Eh I try. These live reviews are much easier than watching the show later.
Fuel The Fire
Getting Noticed By Management
so who's going to place a bet the nxt is going to jump in at the end of the show?
Little Jerry Lawler
Sigmund Freud On Ritalin And Roids
What has Punk done in the last nine months? Beat Undertaker and Mysterio once and lose to everybody else. The worst thing to happen to Punk is R-Truth and Morrison going to RAW. He could have had great feuds with them. His gimmick hurts him more than it helps.
Born To Fly
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Why didn't she just not jump off the top rope when Natayla moved? Seems like she had plenty of time.
The Walls of Jericho haven't finished anyone recently but it is certainly an effective move and Bourne was in it for a while. He then proceeded to continue the match like it never happened. Truth sold the ribs THE ENTIRE match. He was holding them right after the missed cross body before he got the roll up. Open your fucking eyes and stop talking out of your ass.
He gets heat. That's his job, the wins are just gravy.
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
Held the world title, gotten great heat, made Taker lose by submission for the first time ever, started a heel faction, had great matches, been put back into the main event. I could go on.
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