Fat Hardy to SD

[AnthonyMango/NoFate007]

SO, I just noticed Matt Hardy was shipped back over to Smackdown. I doubt highly hes going to continue his feud with brother Jeff, but I wouldn't at all be surprised to notice a resurgence in the Hardy Boys to team up against Rated R2J.

It'd be worth a Summerslam mid-card match-up, and nothing more. People will be crying for ladder matches and T.L.C matches for months, and never see even the slightest hint of one.

I can't see that happening. Despite how much I dislike Matt Hardy, he can be the top challenger for the Intercontinental title right now, with Dolph Ziggler being right behind him. Mysterio/Hardy, Finlay/Hardy, Truth/Hardy, Morrison/Hardy, and a few offshoots of Hardy/Hardy and potentially Undertaker/Hardy....he's got a lot of options. Will he do anything with them? Hell no. Matt Hardy has peaked and he has absolutely no shot at becoming a main event star in my mind. He does, however, have a chance to be a mediocre IC champion and start working on the inevitable: a career as a midcarder alongside the likes of Finlay and Regal and whatnot. Smackdown has enough faces that they don't need Matt to turn. They can keep him heel.

All in all, this thread is about Matt Hardy's return to the drawing board. He once again failed with his push. Not exactly for anything he did, but unfortunately because of dumb luck with injuries. I think its Wrestling Fate's way of saying.. Dude, you just aren't going to be over as anything more than your brother's Tag Team partner, quit trying already.

I have to meet this WrestlingFate. Sounds like a good guy lol. And yeah, Matt's never going to be at the level Jeff is right now.

So, where does V.1 go from here? Will he return and continue his heel role as a Single's Wrestler? Does his brother finally sign on the dotted line, only to be subjected back into the re-shaping of the Tag Team division with a reformation of the Hardys? Or is Matt one step away from hoping Edge fucks another one of his Girlfriend's in hope that it resurrects his career - yet again?

In the end, I see a Hardys reunion.. as a Tag Team, not opponents. The Hardys were a cornerstone in the Tag Team division that meant something. Thats what W.W.E seems to be giving an honest shot at finally building right now.

I just can't see Matt becoming a Single's competitor back on Smackdown, when his Brother is clearly shining brighter in that spot.

I'd look for Matt becoming the highest spot on the midcard ladder and most likely starting a feud with Finlay, eventually winning the IC title from Mysterio.

 

[Miko]

Matt Hardy, what can I say about the guy except that I do actually like him, I still think he's got a shot, dont get me wrong, I am not delusional, I know he's not gonna be a World Champion for a year and single handedly save Smackdown. I do however think he'll retire a former World Champion.

Why do I say this? Well, sympathy really, Jeff's got 2 reigns under his belt now, Punk is going through his second, now while I know that Matt's not and probably never will be as popular as Jeff (who has grown on me himself) he was at his peak far more over than Punk. He certainly got some of the bigger pops in the arena's.

Where was I? Oh yeah, he's been shifted to Smackdown, I think thats a good thing, he wont make it in a world of HHH's and Cena's, but in a land where Jeff Hardy loses the belt to CM Punk Matt Hardy could shine. It's the perfect place for him.

 

[Spillz3000]

I am actually a Matt Hardy fan and have High Hopes for him on Smackdown. I definitely believe an IC title reign is very possible for Matt. Hell that's not a bad thing by any stretch of the imagination. The IC title is probably a belt that Matt is very interested in chasing. I think he can definitely help be a ring general in the IC division and maybe if he is doing good things there he can definitely fued for the World Title. I agree with Miko that Matt Hardy will definitely retire a World Champion. I mean even if it's a two-minute or one month reigns like Jeff has had it would still be all Matt Hardy has ever hoped for. I'm not dellusional but I haven't given up hope yet.

 

[Mr. Steve]

He's not as good as his brother Jeff.

Matt may not be better than jeff in the charismatic aspect, but he can wrestle; somthing he has an advantage over Jeff.

Oh and not to mention he sucks.

Not his fault. He's just being booked wrongly. Can't really take a shit-kicking on a weekly basis and expect to not be seen as a guy that sucks,unfortunately.

And that he cant get over as a heel or a face by himself.

He has. Check his V1 gimmick, and the time he was resigned and had that feud with Edge. Sadly, he was buried on that one.

In short, Matt has the potential to have a run at the big titles. I personally think that when he's hunting a championship, he seems comfortable at it. Sadly, he's a victim of creative not giving him the right leeway. He's a damn good worker to end up like that.(working with a cast to me screams "workhorse".)

 

[Thriller Ant]

Matt may not be better than jeff in the charismatic aspect, but he can wrestle; somthing he has an advantage over Jeff.

Jeff can mat wrestle, but his forte is the high-flying stuff. He did technical wrestling for a majority of the start of his PPV match vs. Punk

Not his fault. He's just being booked wrongly. Can't really take a shit-kicking on a weekly basis and expect to not be seen as a guy that sucks,unfortunately.

He does suck. He is extremely boring in the ring, and does nothing to stand apart from any other generic midcarder. The only reason he gets any reaction is from his brother.

He has. Check his V1 gimmick, and the time he was resigned and had that feud with Edge. Sadly, he was buried on that one.

His Version 1 gimmick wasn't that good. The only reason he got any reaction in the Edge feud was because of what happen behind the scenes. If you look, the only times Matt has gotten really noticeable reactions was during the Hardy Boyz days and when Lita cheated on him.

In short, Matt has the potential to have a run at the big titles. I personally think that when he's hunting a championship, he seems comfortable at it. Sadly, he's a victim of creative not giving him the right leeway. He's a damn good worker to end up like that.(working with a cast to me screams "workhorse".)

He doesn't have enough personality to make a run at the titles. He is boring on the mic and on the ring. Creative does what they can with him, but he just isn't that good. The reason he worked with the cast was because it didn't hinder him too much and they needed midcarders on Raw.

 

[MikeKillam]

It's clear that WWE really has no idea what to do with Matt Hardy. There's no doubt that a rivalry with Jeff could have kept going, if that actually spent time on it and made it good. The two work well together, obviously. But they kept it going pretty much because they didn't know what else to do with him.

Matt Hardy has a few options. If he stays heel he can feud with his brother for awhile again, he can go at it with Rey Mysterio for the IC title, or he can work against John Morrison.

If he turns back to a face, he has a few more options. Finlay is a new heel to the brand, so he could start something with him. He has lots of history with Kane, and he's another new heel to the brand. He could go at it with CM Punk for the World Title. If the Hardy Boys were reunited, now more than ever would they have opportunity. They could feud with Jericho/Edge, the Hart Dynasty, Cryme Tyme, and if they win the Unified belts, anybody else in the WWE.

Here's what I see happening with Matt Hardy. He's going to take a small amount of time off to heel up. They're going to want him fully healthy again, as to not risk him being injured for a third time this year. I see him coming back in a month or two. CM Punk and Jeff Hardy are going to keep going at it for a few reasons. First of all, because Edge and Jericho are now tag partners. Second, because it's not a bad program. Sure, CM Punk now looks like a punk...but at least it makes you feel for Jeff Hardy. If he actually wins the World title, I expect the roof to come off whatever arena they are in. So I see the feud with them becoming pretty rough, and one night CM Punk takes it too far and goes after Hardy. Jeff is helpless and being beaten senseless by Punk. Matt Hardy comes running down to make the save, and everybody is confused.
If that isn't the case, than I see him just coming back one night and starting something with John Morrison.
If Matt vs. Jeff goes on further, we could see CM Punk vs. Morrison again, which in my opinion, is always fun.

Either way Smackdown! is going to be the brand where the midcarders need to shine for a long time.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

shit, the kid's name is mat. my bad. I just see him, and think, y'know. Anyways, this is laughable. He absolutely failed miserably on RAW as a mid card heel. He got zero reacion, and THIS was after dicking over the most over face in all of the WWE. I mean. if oyu dont get heat from burning cute little dogs alive, then what CAN you do? Chalk it up to injuries, I guess. Pretty sure Owen Hart, Bob Orton, and Randy Orton all did halfway decent while in a cast...

No clue were or what he will be doing on SD. Possibly SD will become an all heel show? Wouldnt that be teh roxorz?

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

I think the injury killed any momentum that he had going. He was hot in the fall when he won the ECW belt...and then he was seemingly up for a pretty decent push after he beat Jeff at Mania. But this just makes me wonder if he is ever going to be able to be successful without latching onto Jeff. But this is again a questionable move because any kind of Matt-Jeff feud part deux is going to be a let down. We've already seen it. It was good for what it was, but it's time for both of them to move along.

 

[Black Snow]

Who is "Fat Hardy?"



I don't think there's a question as to if Matt can be successful without supposedly latching onto Jeff. Matt had his most successful and memorable run when Jeff was at his worst and getting fired from the company. They were on different shows. Matt might have only been Cruiserweight Champion at the time but he did manage to completely reinvent himself as a cowardly heel. It was something in him that no one really believed he had. Matt can be versatile.

This might come off wrong but it's really hard to be a serious heel when you've got a thick hick accent. Serious heels are also usually talkers at heart. They feel the need to tell fans why they're great instead of just showing it. Matt can be a very successful heel without any interaction with Jeff. He just needs to dig deep and do the same thing that he did in late 2002: completely overhaul himself. The tights were a start but the music and hair should follow.

 

[klunderbunker]

Matt Hardy is the kind of guy that I almost feel sorry for. He lives in his brother's shadow and just cannot escape it. They were given what should have been a money match at the biggest show of the year, but the problem is I think at the end of the day, people simply don't want to see Matt fight Jeff. The Hardy Boys were too popular as a team to watch them fight each other like this and while the match is a dream match on paper, in practicality it just doesn't work. Matt is someone that is a gold mine in theory, but in practicality just doens't work. He's simply not a good heel unless he's attacking Jeff. The problem is he's not the best face either. He's someone that jut needs to find his niche, but I don't think it's on Smackdown.

 

[Black Snow]

Part of me really wants to see a Matt vs. Jeff feud but with Jeff as a the heel. Jeff always gets reactions easier than his older brother so it'd probably be easier to sell the feud with Jeff as the heel in that sense. Jeff snaps because he can't maintain a long title reign. Matt just wants to help our his little brother because he feels like it's his job.

Sadly I don't think that feud would ever happen because while the fans really like Jeff he's never shown any range as a character. He can barely cut a promo let alone a heel promo.

I really do feel bad for Matt. He's a better wrestler and talker (although that part isn't saying much) than his brother but by being brothers people always make the comparison. For so long wrestling has been about character before ability. Matt has the ability but Jeff has the character so Jeff wins.

Hopefully on a more wrestling-oriented show like SD Matt will be allowed to have great matches and slowly develop his character. It's about time we got introduced to Version 2.0.

 

[Lee]

There's only one logical thing for Matt to do when he returns from injury....turn face and team with his brother to win the tag belts. Matt without Jeff is horrible, but when he's with Jeff, I like him, very much so. SD doesn't need another heel, so a face turn would make sense.

 

[NSL]

Wouldnt that be teh roxorz?

What? Repeat this...In English please...

There's only one logical thing for Matt to do when he returns from injury....turn face and team with his brother to win the tag belts. Matt without Jeff is horrible, but when he's with Jeff, I like him, very much so. SD doesn't need another heel, so a face turn would make sense.

This are my views as well. I like Matt as a tag wrestler, but not as a singles wrestler, unless he's chasing a mid-card belt, like he was with MVP for a while. I don't necessarily think he'll be teaming with Jeff though. Maybe team him with someone else, keeping him away from Jeff, and continuing to build him his own image. as a heel, he's falling lower and lower on the card. They need to make the fan-relatable face that he was when he returned, feuding with Edge, and get him some TV time that has zero to do with his brother.

 

[hArdyPUNKmArk]

I don't think it's the best idea. I don't want him and Jeff doing anything together anyway, if they can keep them apart then it may be ok.

Jeff and Matt's feud ran it's course and there's not much else to get out of it and it ended at the perfect time, just before it got boring. Now I just hope they don't try and rehash any of that. Matt's heel character turned pretty dull on RAW hopefully he comes back still as a heel but with something fresh to bring out rather than the same dull stuff he was bringing before.

He's a favourite of mine and I wanna see him do well, just hoping they keep him and Jeff apart.

 

[Tenta]

Seriously can't they keep Matt on a show for more than 3 months? Ever since he was drafted to ECW he's been switching brands so many times.

Ok... Let's see these changes

His run on ECW went from June to January. Smackdown was January to April.

Went there because of his feud with his brother Jeff. He was still recognized as an ECW, but I see where you're getting at. But see, the only person he really worked with on SD was Jeff Hardy. There's much more he can do on Smackdown now.

Then they draft him on RAW where I expected him to begin to be a top player, or get buried. Well he was buried.

Because he's injured. What sense does it make to elevate the guy that's injured to the main event scene? And neither of the injuries he received on Raw were his fault. Do you really think Matt's going to get the blame when
Jeff lands on his hand, and breaks it? Or when Kofi botches a hip toss? Matt was an injured wrestler. And by rule, you don't push injured wrestlers. Because... Well.... It's really fucking stupid

This really disappoints me since I really like Hardy.

And so do I. So maybe a little optimism, wouldn't hurt, huh?

And by moving him to Smackdown, look whos there.

Ok, let's shall....

Jeff Hardy

There's still potential here. But yes, he's worked with him

Edge

Well, he's never worked in a situation where Edge was face, and Matt was heel. But ok....

Rey Mysterio

Wait, what? When did he ever work with Rey? Show me footage of a feud between these two, that wasn't for more than a Cruiserweight belt, and actually has some juice to it. Show me a fleshed out feud, rather than a one-off match. Then we'll talk.

ect.

Ok.... Let's see that "etc"

Jericho- Never worked with

Morrison- Worked with in tag matches, and nothing more

Punk- I'm sorry, when did these two work

Undertaker- It likely won't happen... But when have these two worked? Besides one match on Superstars?

Dolph Ziggler- Nope.

Khali- Never worked with

You see, for all the names you mention, I can come up with two or three that he hasn't.

But then again creative will probably treat him better since it is Smackdown. Also the fact that he was injured probably ruined his chances of starting to rise on RAW. Still its probably a good thing for him. Now i ask you is it good for Matt or Bad?Do you think he'll be pushed on Smackdown?

It's very good, for two reasons;

1. It puts him closer to Michael Hayes, who has always been a fan of both Hardys.

2. When Edge does turn face, they'll need a good heel. At the moment, it seems they have CM Punk, Chris Jericho, and Dolph Ziggler. They need another mid card heel very badly. And Matt can play that role, until he's ready to get called up to Raw again. Patience... Let him heal, and then we'll talk

 

[The Legendary 23]

Well, at least on Smackdown he'll be doing a whole lot more than he was on RAW. Despite what others think, I think Matt is the more talented Hardy, and on Smackdown I think he can be a bridge between ME and Mid-card, in given time.

In the future, I wouldn't mind to see another Hardy/Hardy feud, because the fact that they took the inevitable feud that was going to be gold and turned it into a quick stint really bothered me. I liked the way they handled it though, with Matt going over Jeff at WM.

 

[Chill]

Yes Matt seems to have been playing hot potato with the the brands lately but I think moving him back to Smackdown was the smart and logical thing to do to be honest.

On RAW, I think it's fair to say that he didn't really stay there long enough to truly decipher if he would have experienced any long term success on that brand. However, the injuries he picked up hampered his progress on RAW and because it is a live show that is traditionally viewed as the 'flagship' show, there is a lot of competition for spaces and slots on the card, the atmosphere there is much more intense and thus it means keeping your spot on the card is more difficult to secure.

Therefore, I think the main reason he was moved yet again is because of his second injury, I think Matt will be able to make a smooth transition back to SD and he will probably experience more success there but I suppose it would have been nice to see what sort of impact (if any) he could have made on RAW had he been able to remain injury free...though with the huge egos running rampant of RAW it would have been difficult for him I imagine.

 

[Nate DaMac]

Matt to Smackdown is a good idea. There was absolutely no way he was gonna make anything of himself on Raw. Way too many big names for him to be taken seriously. But on Smackdown, he has at least a small opportunity to make a splash in the Main Event scene. Doubt he would ever win the big one, but could definitely make for some entertaining television. A feud with John Morrison could hold potential.

 

[Razor]

Seriously can't they keep Matt on a show for more than 3 months? Ever since he was drafted to ECW he's been switching brands so many times. His run on ECW went from June to January. Smackdown was January to April. Then they draft him on RAW where I expected him to begin to be a top player, or get buried. Well he was buried. This really disappoints me since I really like Hardy. And by moving him to Smackdown, look whos there. Jeff Hardy,Edge,Rey Mysterio, ect.He's had feuds with those guys already. But then again creative will probably treat him better since it is Smackdown. Also the fact that he was injured probably ruined his chances of starting to rise on RAW. Still its probably a good thing for him. Now i ask you is it good for Matt or Bad?Do you think he'll be pushed on Smackdown?

He won't do much of anything anywhere. He'll always be the boring Hardy who's jealous of his brother. That's about all he'll go as heel. And as a face, he'll always be "that other Hardy brother we're supposed to pop for."

Though, really, shifting to Smackdown is a good thing. He was reduced to jobbing for EVERYONE on Raw. I don't think he won one single match his entire time on Raw. His broken hand could have gotten him heat as a heel, but Kofi kinda kicked his ass the second match he tried to use it as a weapon. If you can't even cheat right as a heel when the weapon you use is allowed in the ring, you're not going to make it far.

Let him get his tummy muscle or whatever it is repaired, and return to the rather open mid-card on Smackdown. If he can't do anything this time, he needs to be let go. Seriously. Or relegated to champion of ECW forever. Let him put on shitty matches with Benjamin. No one gives a shit anyway.

 

[SpoodBeest]

Matt will always be known as the "Christian" of the Hardy Boyz. Jeff was always the more popular of the two. With their careers following the tag team have shown us all that.

Think about after The Hardy Boyz and E&C broke up, what happened? Oh yea that's right Edge and Jeff went on to do bigger and better things then their former tag team partners. Matt became that goofy V1 character and won a cruiserweight title. Christian then eventually turned into a mid card comedy heel who won like two IC titles.

While Edge and Jeff went onto to challenge for the WWE title!!! Granted they did not win but they still challenged for it.

Now lets jump 5-6 years to the now. Jeff has become a 2 time world champion, 4 time IC champion plus all the tag titles he has one with Matt.

Edge is a 9 time world champion, multi time IC and tag team chmpion as well.

Chrisitan left for TNA only to come back to WWE and be put on the C show of the company.

Matt Hardy has had a crappy heel turn where he feuded with his brother for abit only to go to RAW and job to mid carders. Now he is going back smackdown? I dont think this will do anything good for him he will always remain at the mid card level. Unless he goes back to ECW where he could be a main eventer. But being a main eventer on ECW doesnt mean jack shit just ask Christian.

So all in all when Matt comes back to Smackdown all he will get to challenge for is an IC title or tag title at most cause i know for a fact he isnt going to get any where near a world title. WWE has simply shown us this over the past 5 years that they have no intention of giving him a taste of the main event.

 

[NSL]

Well, at least on Smackdown he'll be doing a whole lot more than he was on RAW. Despite what others think, I think Matt is the more talented Hardy, and on Smackdown I think he can be a bridge between ME and Mid-card, in given time.

In the future, I wouldn't mind to see another Hardy/Hardy feud, because the fact that they took the inevitable feud that was going to be gold and turned it into a quick stint really bothered me. I liked the way they handled it though, with Matt going over Jeff at WM.

While he may be a better wrestler, it was long ago that actual talent meant anything in the WWE. Jeff has charisma that Matt is seriously lacking, and also has the offense that Matt can't/won't do. While Matt may be a credible mid-card contender, he'll never be considered a guy who can main event a PPV. Jeff can main event, even if he isn't the champ.

As far as a Hardy feud, I'd like to think it's dead and gone. We've seen it run it's course, and there's no reason for it to happen again. The only thing they could run for an angle, is the same exact thing they already ran. They could possibly feud as separate tag teams, but I think they've both moved on past that division.

 

[The Legendary 23]

While he may be a better wrestler, it was long ago that actual talent meant anything in the WWE. Jeff has charisma that Matt is seriously lacking, and also has the offense that Matt can't/won't do. While Matt may be a credible mid-card contender, he'll never be considered a guy who can main event a PPV. Jeff can main event, even if he isn't the champ.

Do you remember Matt's promo on SD! after the Royal Rumble? He stated his reasons for betraying Jeff and delivered a lot of tortured emotion into the speech. It made the feud actually believable and elevated the seriousness. (I would attach it, but I couldn't find it on youtube).

I would really like to see where Matt would be without the multiple injuries he has sustained, and if booked correctly, I think Matt could be a believable contender in ME scenes, only if he utilizes his cowardice and dirty wrestling to win.

 

[fktizle]

I think Matt needs to come up with some sort of gimmick or something. He doesn't need anyone, all he needs is a chance at the big one. Maybe if he brought back V1. I mean, all he had on RAW was that damn cast, that's it.

 

[Sasori]

I think it's good for him. He can jump back to the mid-card. Ever since moving to RAW has he ever won a single out of like 8 matches he's had? He's lost relitivly easily. I think Matt should just turn face and just stay number 2 as far as the Hardy's are concerned it's much better than being the jealous soar loser. When Matt was face he was a successful upper-midcarder he won the ECW title and the US title which isn't that bad so yeah.

 

[Christian Battlez]

Matt's better off on Smackdown. Its a better show, Raw was a sinking ship and Hardy is lucky he got off of it. Once he gets helthy he will move up the card. I expected 2009 to be the year of the Hardy (both of them). But with Jeff's contract dispute and Matt's injury. Its the year of the Miz and John Morrison. Those guys are having plenty of success after splitting as a team and its great I'm glad one didnt sink without the other. Matt will do great things on Smackdown upon his return. I could see him as World Champion one day. He's a better wrestler than his brother and he's just as good as CM Punk and got just as good of pops as a face. Do it right and Matt will thrive.