Exactly Where They're Supposed To Be

[Ferbian]

We constantly hear about someone being overrated or underrated in both WWE as well as in TNA. This is the common idea that the IWC or any other fan has gotten that just because they receive a decent, or below average push beyond or below what their abilities warrant them to, that therefore they are overrated or underrated.

However, there's got to be someone who is exactly where they're supposed to be on the card, receiving exactly the kind of push they're getting, they're not overrated in any way, nor are they underrated in any way.

But who exactly are these wrestlers? That's what this thread is all about. I'm tired of hearing about people saying "Cena is overrated!" "Evan Bourne needs a push" "Triple H needs stop pulling the backstage strings" "Christian should get a world title shot!"

So now I ask you, not to talk about anybody who is overrated, or anybody who is underrated. But to name one, or more wrestlers in WWE?

The wrestler that you find to be receiving the exact push they deserve, they're at the exact level that their abilities should allow them to be, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Mustang Sally]

When I read your topic, the first person who came to mind is Goldust, who has been the subject of some discussion this past week. He possesses the versatility needed to be a permanent fixture in the company, yet it doesn't seem that he's going to be pushed......nor is he going to be fired.

Dustin has the responsibility of teaching the trade to younger wrestlers, which is good because having other skills besides wrestling is useful in a field in which there is so much competition around him. Too, Goldust can be called on whenever needed; to job to Sheamus, to do a run-in against Nexus, to be one of the seven patsies for Nexus' push......or to wrestle an effective match when needed. Also, if Vince decides that Goldust is worthy of a push, the mechanism is already in place for him to run with it. In addition to all that, Goldust has a long-standing gimmick that helps him stick out from the also-rans.

When you put it all together, Goldust is neither a star nor a future-endeavor.....he's right where he ought to be.

 

[newc868]

I think that R-Truth is someone who is deserving of where he is. He gets the mild push every now and again but ultimately he winds up back in the mid-card fighting for the US Title or in another feud. He's perfectly placed for what I'd call a 'mid-card career'.

Maybe a slightly controversial pick would be Matt Hardy. I mean his role of upper-mid card is fine because that's where I want to see him and other than his matches in the Triple Threat TLC or his match against Jeff at WM. Yes that proves he rises to the occasion at the grandaddy of 'em all but the rest of the time - I'm not believing him as a WWE/World Heavyweight Champion.

Mark Henry is my third pick for this as well. Not likely to get the 'future endeavors' and still puts over the 'monster heels' or 'cowardly heel' in matches.

 

[pachargers]

Ill have to disagree with newc868 about matt hardy because i think the angle hes in with christian is going to end with a number 1 contenders match with hardy winning but anyway i think dolph ziggler is going to stay mid card for a long time because he doesnt prove himself with the angle with hog face vickie g
Also mvp will stay mid card too because sure hes better a heel but he is and has been always lost in the shuffle so he will stay there too

 

[Blade]

Both midcard champions are right where they should be at the moment.

The Miz makes a really good United States champion even though he doesn't really defend it much any more since winning Money in the Bank. But ever since the fallout of his mini-feud with Cena, he has just been getting better and better and it's been clear to me for months now that he is going straight to the main event. He has great mic skills that will only get better with time and he's improving immensely in the ring with his new aggressive style. So United States champion and Mr. Money in the Bank is right about where The Miz should be right now.

Kofi Kingston as Intercontinental Champion feels very right now. He is basically the best midcarder on Smackdown, and deserves the spot as the IC champion. As for Kofi's future as a main eventer, it's still a little too early to tell. He's exciting and he's decent on the mic, and it's about a 50/50 chance that he'll make it to the main event. But until he improves some more, top of the midcard seems the ideal place for Kofi right now.

 

[hurleyworld4]

I would have to say "Dashing" Cody Rhodes. After what some would consider a lackluster push with Legacy, Cody was sent to Smackdown where many believed he would exist in mediocrity before being given the boot. However, Rhodes adopted a more refined, arrogant heel persona along with the "Dashing" gimmick. Now he is a pro on NXT and a solid mid-card investment on Smackdown.

While he was in Legacy with Randy Orton and Ted DiBiase, I feel Cody Rhodes was lost in exactly who he was. He turned heel at NOC after abandoning his mentor Hardcore Holly to side with the debuting Ted DiBiase. The new team developed the ideology typical of most 2nd generation superstars, "I'm stepping out of my daddy's shadow to prove that my career will eclipse that of my washed up, honky father." (Or something like that.)

Shortly thereafter, Randy Orton began forming his stable of 2nd and 3rd generation wrestlers, soon to be known as Legacy. While gaining and striving to maintain membership, Ted and Cody were used primarily as Randy's pawns and punching bags.

Throughout the final months of the group, many believed Ted would be given the push and future main event treatment, casting off the possibility of Cody succeeding. However, after the dissolution of the stable, Ted resurrected the Million Dollar Title forged by his father and began the search for a Virgil-esque valet. While, Cody evolved into "Dashing" Cody Rhodes, a diametric opposite to the personality of his father, "Common Man" Dusty Rhodes. He's been improving his in-ring work, facing off against established mid-card, especially in the tournament to determine the Intercontinental Champion, and getting over as a legitimate heel on his own merit.

Right now, Cody is exactly where he needs to be. I feel these next months will truly tell how far he will rise. Whether he breaks thru the glass ceiling, stays firmly planted in the middle, or falls into obscurity is all up to him.

 

[pierce2]

i think that john morrison is in the right place i am not a huge fan of him i think he is not that good of a wrestler he has had a couple of pushes but they never worked which i am happy that he has stayed there because his effort of work belongs mid card

2nd pick goldust he can make stuff look hurt even if you know it doesnt e.g david otunga finisher the verdict he made it look painful he can mke moves look painful too he can do anything

 

[Jimmy King]

Evan Bourne is in the perfect spot right now. He's not being thrusted into the title picture. However, he is being depicted (better) as an underdog who has a little bit of bite to him. With the way they're using Bourne now, if and when he does get a title shot or wins MITB, fans will believe better that he can and will be a title holder.

 

[Matyy256]

Chris Jericho. He's the only maineventer that can lose to anyone and make it look believeable like Evan Bourne or even Heath Slater. He's just a master at putting young talent over and I feel with his carrer winding down this is where he belongs.

 

[Wade's Public Transit Bomb]

I think Evan Bourne is in the right spot too. He may sound like a five year old little girl on the mic, but he doesn't need mic work the way he screams and tosses himself around to make his opponents look that more devastating. The way he sells moves actually reminds me of Trish.. It is very dramatic but isn't HBK or Scott Hall levels of "cheesy". I think the only thing harder to find than a tag team the WWE will push is finding a perfect babyface. Especially in this day of everyone wanting to wrestling like a bad ass or some lame tribute to some Japanese dude.

I think Gail is also in the right spot. I dunno if it is because she can't work a larger crowd or is it because she doesn't care as long as she is gettin' dat money, yo. Whatever the situation, she is pretty bad at carrying the greener divas because she thinks she can do all that fancy head scissors crap on anyone. I mean, Beth doesn't care if the Diva can't take her signature spots, but at least Beth is physically strong enough to carry a greener diva. lol

 

[The People's Peep]

At first, I thought Kofi Kingston. He is right where he needs to be. An intercontinental champion and one of the most over guys in the WWE. But he has been pushing it and he may be ready very soon for a move up to the main event. So instead, I think I'll say Cody Rhodes.

After Legacy, it was predetermined by us that Cody was going to get lost. After a month or two, he found a gimmick that works in his Dashing gimmick. With it, he managed to make himself pretty relevant and is in the running for the IC title. I dont see him as much of a main eventer, so I think he is one of the people who is right where they belong.

 

[Max Headroom]

I'm going to say someone different and pick Randy Orton. The pops he gets from the crowds along with the fact that alot of internet fans like him, and don't complain as much about him compared to John Cena and some others, makes him very deserving of the spot he is in. Also I find him to be quite good in the ring.

Another person I would go with is The Miz, he has really improved over the years and is very solid & fluent on the mic in my opinion. The push he is getting now is one that is perfect for him.

 

[Boondocks]

Evan Bourne is the first to come to my mind. He's getting pushed as an upper mid-card/neam Main Eventer. He has tremendous in ring ability, due to the fact that he can fly to not only make his moves believable, but also to sell his opponents moves (See Big Show spear). He may need work on the mic, and at that, it's if he needs to get on the mic, which I haven't seen much of. All he really needs to do is smile, show off his abs, and do a shooting star press. He's one of the future stars of WWE, much like the position Rey gets put in.

"Dashing" Cody Rhodes is also another great person. He's getting an IC Title level push. He has good mic skills, despite what most saw from him in Legacy. His gimmick fits him PERFECTLY. He can be as cocky as he wants, which is what a person with his looks, build, and gimmick should be. He could run with it to be a legit Main-Event contender on Smackdown. He may not be RAW ME talent, but he could easily go with Smackdowns.

 

[El Rev sXe]

I've got a couple of picks: Miz, Kofi, and a newone, HHH.

Miz: this guy is in THE perfect spot. mid/ME carder! yeah he is about to become a solid ME however he is everywhere! he might not denfende the US titlt offend enough but he is great. I mean h isn't ready for ME IMO but he is in HIS perfect spot.

Kofi: a great mid carder. unlike the Miz, Kofi needs alot more to become ME type. yet as a mid carder he is perfect. IMO he is completely solid, gimmick, move set, IC title, sometime he goes nuts (vs Orton/Ziggler). everything a mid carder needs, IMO.

HHH: a vet that doesn't need championships, avet that has light schedules, avet that DOES put over young talent (Sheamus, Hardy, Legacy, Orton). I have read a couple of times that he is an asshole blablablabala but for me, since 2005, he has become a guy that wants to put over every one!

PS: hey Ferb did you notice that noone mentioned Cena? kidding, it's not that kind of thread

 

[Hawkeye]

I think Cody Rhodes is right where he needs to be.He's got that cocky heel persona,a nice entrance with a digital mirror,and of course that sweet nose ring He was being overshadowed in Legacy,both kids were.It was more about Orton,but now that they've split,it seems like Cody is taking the ball and running full speed with it. Even with Maryse,Ted is still kinda iffy,but Cody's doing fine on his own.

 

[The Doctor]

John Cena.

He's the face of the company, and for good reason. The man draws. Just look at the ratings from a few weeks ago. The segment with him and Nexus garnered a big increase. He can wrestle, in that he can perform well and consistently and can work the crowd like no other. He is one of the best in the company on the mic. He always gets huge reactions from the crowd, whether they be positive, negative, or in between. He has earned his accolades and deserves to be in the position he is, just because he is that good.

 

[SpoodBeest]

I'll go with someone who I feel is at the spot he's rightfully supposed to be in. That man on my mind is Matt Hardy is his mid-card position he has had for the better part of four years. Matt has never screamed main event talent ever in his whole career. Managment is very aware of this as they have basically never even tested how capable he would be in such a position. Which would mean they think he is not fit for the job. I don't believe that out of Matt's whole career he has ever gotten a legitimate shot at either the WWE or World Heavyweight titles, but if he has please feel free to refresh my memory.

I have no issues with Matt Hardy's current place on the card. It just seems to fit as he is a reliable veteran who can put over new up and coming wrestlers in the mid-card. Also if needs be he can have a run with mid-card title only to pass on to an established mid-carder working his way up. I loved when Matt Hardy was competing for the US title in 2008 it just seemed to fit and it was during that timeframe that even though I knew it wasn't fair he wasn't given a true shot as a headliner, it didn't matter because he made his position on the card work and from there on always thought he should be given another run with a mid-card belt. Matt may be a mid-carder for life, but he is making the best of it. That and he makes his place on the card work and does a very admirable job with his roster spot.

 

[Hazardous]

When I read your topic, the first person who came to mind is Goldust, who has been the subject of some discussion this past week.

that would be my thread. my bad. haha

but im going with 2 picks. #1 is The Undertaker. the Vet who works a light schedule, and picks and chooses to be either in the title run, or just work the Main events non title related.

Second, as was said a few posts ago, Jericho. he can lose to someone like Bourne, yet beat someone like Edge or Orton, and it's believable, because he has that ability to turn it up when needed.

 

[Ultra Awesome]

i think that john morrison is in the right place i am not a huge fan of him i think he is not that good of a wrestler he has had a couple of pushes but they never worked which i am happy that he has stayed there because his effort of work belongs mid card

JoMo is really starting to remind me of Marty Jennetty compared to the Miz, who would play the role of Shawn Michaels.

But the person that I think is in the right place is definately, the Undertaker. While his gimmick has gotten stale (given that it was originally from the 90's). Undertaker plays the phenom in the WWE. The one that sends shivers down your spine and the one that you would not regularly want to face and if you did, you would have to prey to god for salvation.

The Undertaker has an undefeated streak at Wrestlemania, which he definately deserves, He is marked as the guy who ended Shawn Michaels career (storywise). Sure, he does not have many title reigns (unlike Triple H), but he doesn't need them, everything he has accomplished has already set the bar pretty high. And his limited work schedule is fine for me.

The Undertaker's role, IMO, is complete and does not need more feeding. The only thing left would be to have him put someone over by letting them break his streak in a future Wrestlemania. But, i doubt it will happen (don't want it to niether). I think the Undetraker will go on to have 20 - 0 at Wrestlemania...and then retire, and in between those times, just work a limited schedule.

 

[LigerBomb]

Chris Jericho. The man has the talent, experience and skill to be whatever he wants to be and whatever WWE needs him to be. He has no reason to be any lower than his is, and he realizes he has no need to be book higher than he does. He's really in that perfect middle zone that allows he to make the rules. He's in that sweet spot that any and every wrestler should strive to one day occupy. WWE needs him yet he does not need WWE. Accruing leverage like that is practically unheard of.

 

[LUFC HBK]

I'm going to go with MVP. I just don't find him very entertaining. After I saw him wrestle here in New Zealand I realised just how sloppy he is in the ring. He isn't really getting pushed in the WWE and I quite like that. I'm sure that if they wanted to, the WWE could make him a superstar but to me he is perfect as a mid card guy. When he was tag champ with Matt Hardy I thought he had potential to be something good but the lack of exposure he has received recently has really hurt him in my eyes.

 

[hArdyPUNKmArk]

I'm gonna go with 3.

1. Goldust.
Goldust is a la card worker who is a great trainer/mentor for the up and comers. He puts over talent and continues to prove his worth in the position he's in. He is in the best spot he could be as a lower card worker that can help put rookies over.

2. Matt Hardy.
It's sad but I only see Matt as a mid carder and that's exactly where he is and should be. He's perfect where he is. Teasing main eventing, solid mid card and eventually will become a vet that can help build up the young guys. He doesn't deserve to be main eventing but he certainly deserves to be relevent in the mid card and that's where he is placed.

3. John Cena.
Cena is 100% in the right spot at the head of the company. He continues to prove that he is the real deal by consistantly delivering great promos and by putting over talent. He's hard working, has the look and talent and is right where he should be. Despite his character feeling stale at times he's still a deserving main eventer.

There's obviously more but I'll leave it at that for now.

 

[Trill Co$by]

Gail Kim:
Honestly, I have always hated her in-ring work, and when she broke up AMW I hated her even more. The girl just sucks at everything she does, it's not even funny. To me, she's just too sloppy and I swear every week there's a post on WZ about an implant of hers busting... Obviously, she needs a new doctor.


CM Punk:
He's a top heel on Smackdown, and in high profile rivalries... He's not in the world title picture, but easily able to merge to said scenario. In my opinion, he's going to be WWE's replacement for Jericho when he retires.. and I don't just say that because CM Punk was Y2J of the indy scene... I say that because I can honestly see CM Punk's Straight-edge gimmick being both heel and face.