Enough with Bret.

[Blueshirt]

Last night, since the WWE was in Canada, just like everytime they are in Canada, they teased a Bret Hart comeback. Just like everytime they have a fued with someone Bret Hart wrestled, they teased a comeback. Two things immediately popped into my head when watching this.
First, this ALWAYS gets the biggest pop of the night/year when they pull this. It's a bad thing when someone who has been out of the game for 10 years gets a bigger pop (or heat) then their current champion. Does the WWE like reminding themselves that their current product is just lacking? Whats more is do they like reminding themselves that the champion in the darkest era of their product, the mid 90s, is wanted more than anyone on the current roster?
Second, I know the real reason they do this is just to try and screw with Bret Hart's image even more. Because every time Bret's guitar riff hits, he either a) doesn't come out and is mocked by the person who is calling him out or b) a lame ass excuse for him comes out like a midget or hacksaw jim duggan. Each time this occurs, the WWE tarnishes Bret Hart's image a little more. Granted, there may have never been a greater falling out in wrestling or any other business venture than Vince McMahon and Bret Hart but I say, enough with fucking with Bret. Let's look at the legacy that Bret's life in wrestling has left behind.
Dead: One brother, two brothers in law.
Injured: Severe concussion.
Personal Life: Divorce with wife, directly related to his WWF experience.
Legacy: Teddy Hart.
My point being, no one has given more to wrestling than Bret Hart and the WWE needs to lay off. Let him go.

Thoughts?

 

[Dre Guevara]

I agree, as much as I'd love 2 see Bret @ least make an appearance on WWE TV, I've already accepted the fact that, and Bret has said this himself, he's done with the sport, the same thing with Austin & The Rock, I think what Vince is doing is painfully reminding himself as well as the fans in Canada that he didn't realize what he had until he screwed the man.
the only way Bret will ever step in2 a WWE ring again is on "Legends of Wrestlemania"

 

[Dre Guevara]

& one more thing, U know what I've had enough of?

Ric Flair assassinating the character of Bret Hart, Ric seems 2 be bitter towards Bret 4 some strange reason, as if he wants 2 get Bret back in the ring or something, Flair, not taking anything away from his storied career, was one of the great performers in wrestling, but this constant bickering about someone that he knows was better than him is, IMO, tarnishing his own legacy, as if he didn't do it enough by retiring @ the age of 60.

 

[Ambiguous Turd]

I used to blame the Canadian fans for their constant obsession with Bret Hart with the "You Screwed Bret" chants every single time WWE was up there .... even 7-8 years after the Screwjob incident. It was just ridiculous.

After last night, I have to put the blame on WWE for egging the Canadian crowd on, and allowing that crap to continue. They really need to cut that shit out, as the impression I got was that the Canadian crowd could have cared less about that segment.

 

[rKo kid]

I don't think the crowd going crazy the moment Bret Hart's music hits is evidence that the product was better in the mid 90s than now. Think about the reasons why the pop was so loud last night:

a) RAW took place in Calgary - in Canada Bret Hart is the equivalent of Stone Cold or Hulk Hogan in the U.S.

b) People just want to see Bret make at least one more WWE appearance, there is an element of nostalgia associated with the idea of him one day stepping into a WWE ring once again.

Do I expect Bret Hart to get a bigger pop than Randy Orton when his music hits? Absoloutely. In fact, I expect him to get a bigger pop than Cena, as well. It doesn't mean the current product or stars are better or worse than those of the mid 90s. It just means that people are desperately wanting to see Bret Hart step into the ring even if it's just to cut a 3 minute promo and thank the fans. He is one of the few WWE legends of that era who has not at least made some type of appearance since leaving (the video segment about how we would like to punch Vince again doesn't count). He didn't even make the traditional appearance at Mania when he was inducted into the Hall of Fame. I can totally understand why fans would mark out at the sound of his guitar intro.

All in all, I agree that the whole bringing back Bret but not really segment has been done more than once and is rather stale at this point. A few years ago HBK did the exact same thing during his brief heel turn/fued with Hogan. Back then it was kind of funny and made me wish HBK would have stayed heel a little longer. However, last night was just lame. The moment Sgt. Slaughter began to introduce him, I knew exactly what was going to happen. Bret's music would play, but there would be no Hitman.

I think you're right on point when it comes to mentioning Bret Hart on WWE TV. If he's not going to come back, then fine. Just don't tease the fans by making us think he will one day ...

 

[ProWrestling'sBrain]

How did it hurt Bret's image? They only did the midget thing once and that was 12 years ago. Other than that I don't recall seeing people dressing like Bret and make a mockery out of him. Since when did you hear people bad mouth Bret or look down on him because WWE teased an appearance by him? I think you're looking way too much into this. Unless we were watching something different, I don't recall Hacksaw making a mockery out of Bret. You know as well as everyone else that Sgt. Slaughter was playing a heel and he did what he did to piss the Canadians off because that was part of his character he was portraying as last night. The only "reputation" or "image" it would hurt would be Slaughter's, although we all know wrestling is staged entertainment so I'm sure no one is holding this against Slaughter for following his script.

Whenever the WWE teases Bret's appearance it always puts a smile on my face. There's nothing more I love than when a wrestler teases Bret's appearance for heel heat. If it works then why not go with it? That way you get the biggest pop of the night and the biggest heal heat of the night. If it works then why not? Crowd reaction/s MAKES the show!

EDIT: Of course he would get a bigger pop than Cena. If it were 2000 and the WWE teased an appearance by Hulk Hogan I'm sure that would get a bigger pop than The Rock making his entrance. It's not like Hacksaw Jim Duggan or Jimmy Snuka or even Austin or Hogan who makes appearances every once in awhile. Just the thought of Bret possibly coming out of the entrance is something special because he is one of the couple legends that do not make special appearances. It's not like the WWE does this regularly, unlike how some people are trying to make it seem like. The last time I remember seeing this was 4 years ago back in 2005, which is a long time ago. It only happened like a couple or few times in the past decade so I don't know why people are acting like this is something common. The fans to this day are still supporters of Bret Hart and the WWE knows it which is why they do this SOMETIMES/rarely.

EDIT AGAIN: This was just reported on WrestleZone. Note this was BEFORE the show so I guess Lord Sidious is onto something here:

-Prior to the show going on the air last night, and a few times during the live show, there was an audible "Bret screwed Bret" chant making its way through the crowd. It was very loud at one point before the show went live while there was nothing happening in the ring.

 

[Kanye South]

At the risk of sounding like a dumbass, may I ask: How did they tease Bret's comeback?

 

[Milkyway!]

At the risk of sounding like a dumbass, may I ask: How did they tease Bret's comeback?

They had Sargent Slaughter come out, and said "I have a special guest" then Bret Harts theme music went off. Only for Hacksaw Jim Duggen to come out. Even I had chillbumps, and I think Bret Hart is an overrated midcard king.

Just like everytime they have a fued with someone Bret Hart wrestled, they teased a comeback.

That wasn't even about a wrestler. That was just going to be a special guest appearance. But yes, they teased his comeback.

First, this ALWAYS gets the biggest pop of the night/year when they pull this.

The year? No way does it get the pop of the year, by any means.

It's a bad thing when someone who has been out of the game for 10 years gets a bigger pop (or heat) then their current champion.

Its Canada, known for being one of the smarkyest crouds in the world. On top of Bret Hart, the face of Canadian wrestling what do you expect? John Cena got boo'd because Bret Hart isn't the babyface. Randy Orton got damn near cheered, as well.

Does the WWE like reminding themselves that their current product is just lacking?

There product is hardly lacking. They need 2-3 more main eventors, thats about it.

Whats more is do they like reminding themselves that the champion in the darkest era of their product, the mid 90s, is wanted more than anyone on the current roster?

Its CANADA. Obviously they want Bret Hart, the FACE of CANADIAN wrestling. Didn't you hear the whole story King told about Bizzarro man? Then he related Canada to Bizzarro land?

Second, I know the real reason they do this is just to try and screw with Bret Hart's image even more.

Not really. Vince, Shawn, no one wanted the Screwjob to go down. It was a sad thing that it happened, Bret needs to stop sucking his mothers titty, and grow up.

Because every time Bret's guitar riff hits, he either a) doesn't come out and is mocked by the person who is calling him out

Thats called "Cheap Heat"

b) a lame ass excuse for him comes out like a midget or hacksaw jim duggan. Each time this occurs, the WWE tarnishes Bret Hart's image a little more.

Thats called "Cheap Heat" too.

Granted, there may have never been a greater falling out in wrestling or any other business venture than Vince McMahon and Bret Hart

Probably not, but Bret brought it upon himself. Its Bret's fault, no one elses.

but I say, enough with fucking with Bret.

Cheap heat >>>>> your opinion.

Let's look at the legacy that Bret's life in wrestling has left behind.

Lets.

Dead: One brother, two brothers in law.

Yes, because Bret tottally owned his three family members, they sucked, and were only in the WWE because Bret Hart got them there.

Injured: Severe concussion.

One of the least harmful injurys caused by wrestling, ever. A broken bone is worse than a severe concussion.

Personal Life: Divorce with wife, directly related to his WWF experience.

Probably because his wife realized he was big baby, and all Bret ever did was whined and whined some more, about what HE did to HIMSELF.

Legacy: Teddy Hart.

How is this Brets legacy?

My point being, no one has given more to wrestling than Bret Hart and the WWE needs to lay off. Let him go.

Any main eventor, I can possibly think of, has given more to the WWE than Bret Hart has.

 

[Chill]

I think the WWE could afford to drop the whole Bret Hart thing, yeh. Most people know he is not coming back in any capacity on WWE TV and he has said himself that he isn't going to make an appearance...he couldn't even bring himself to walk out during Wretlemania 22 when they recognized the Hall of Famers, so he's hardly going to show up out of the blue on RAW which WWE tried to make the audience believe the other night. I am sure I'm not the only one who knew there was no way that Hart was coming out, I didn't even bother getting excited because I just knew Bret wasn't there...it would be one of the most suprising things to see if it ever happened. Nonetheless, it certainly seems as though WWE don't want the Bret Hart situation to be laid to rest any time soon as they keep antagonizing the fans (Canadian in particular)...I suppose it's a good way to get the crowds riled up if nothing else.

 

[owenhartfan]

Milkyway,
That might just be the worst reply i've read on any wrestling forum ever. I don't want to debate it at all.

 

[Mustang Sally]

I didn't even bother getting excited because I just knew Bret wasn't there...it would be one of the most suprising things to see if it ever happened.

That makes sense. If WWE ever was to have Bret appear, you can bet they wouldn't be slipping it into RAW without advertising the hell out of it first. In fact, they would probably build a pay-per-view around his appearance.

After all these years, I feel the same about Bret Hart's relationship with WWE as I do about Bruno Sammartino.

Okay, they both hate Vince McMahon.....we get it, guys.

Still, I wish they could put aside their stubbornness and realize that there are hordes of wrestling fans that would love to see them show up on WWE programming. They both had legendary careers and would be honored accordingly if they'd show their faces in the company in which they gained their fame.

If Bret was in Calgary last night, I wonder if it ever occurred to him that the fans would have loved to see him come out. Never mind McMahon, never mind "the state of wrestling." What about the fans, Bret and Bruno?

But I also agree with the guy who started this thread: If Bret refuses to show up, WWE should stop messing with us and just leave it alone.

 

[Platypus Palsy]

I agree completely with Milkyway. I was actually booing once I heard that guitar riff go off. Never really liked him and the fact that he isn't over it yet just adds on. I was rather happy that Hacksaw came out. I've always liked him.

 

[Klown_Karnage]

Let's face it, folks. As annoying as we find it, this issue will never ever go away. Why? If anyone every says the words "Montreal Screwjob" to a WWF/WWE fan, they will know exactly what is meant for the very reason that it is the most notorious and infamous moment in all of WWF/WWE history. No other incident has ever compared given the deep level of personal involvement both of the company and of the fans. What's more, the WWE was in Canada and that says it all. Think the WWE (and Vince McMahon especially) was going to pass up an opportunity to rub their nose in this one yet again? You can't pay for the kind of crowd reaction they got when they did the ol' bait and switch Hart/Duggan thing. Biggest pop and biggest heat of the night and they didn't even have to bring out the man himself to get it.

Frankly, I think it's pointless to hope that Bret Hart will return to the WWE in any form at all. I think it's more likely for Eddie Guerrero to rise from his grave to guest host Raw than for Hart to even show up for the tiniest of spots (which is all he would get.) They screwed Bret and they've continued to treat his memory as if he were some kind of joke in their actions while damning him with faint praise in promos for nostalgia DVDs. I don't think I ever saw this "midget thing" that people are mentioning, but I did see Charlie Haas' impersonation of him (just before he got smashed into tiny pieces by Koslov.) Now let me ask you, if you were frankly a legendary wrestler in a company and they treated you like this, would you want to return to work knowing you'd only get more of the same? Didn't think so.

This stuff is going to continue, there's no stopping that, but at least we won't have to see The Hitman taking any of this in person.

 

[dx32v]

Milkyway,
The sheer stupidity emanating from your post is astounding. I don't know which is worst, your ridiculous comments about Bret Harts, Owen Hart and the British Bulldog or your obvious lack of fighting experience by implying that a broken bone is worst than a severe concussion.

 

[Kenny Powers]

As long as WWE is around, they're always going to get cheap heat. It happened with Hogan, and Austin. Remember when Jim Ross brought out the fake Diesel and Razor? it's happened time and time again and it will always happen. WWE teasing Bret Hart is like a heel making fun of the town's sports team he's wrestling in.

Bret doesn't want to tarnish his legacy. He agreed to be inducted in the Hall of Fame because of his fans, not the WWE. Bret doesn't want anything to do with wrestling. He even stated that Vince was the best promoter he has worked for. It doesn't sound like he is bitter to me. Anytime WWE is in Canada, I can see them teasing the screw job incident or Bret Hart a mile away.

Everyone needs to realize its not personal, just a way to get a heel over. I thought Jillian singing the national anthem was more offensive then Bret Hart's entrance video. Jillian is pretty much offensive to the wrestling world period. I do agree though that it is old and a cheap way to get heat. But it will continue to happen.

 

[Felderino]

Man Milkyway I had to reply to your post

One of the least harmful injurys caused by wrestling, ever. A broken bone is worse than a severe concussion.

Ok let me break your finger then I'll kick you in the head as hard as i can. I'd like to see which you thought was worse then! Do you actually know the extent of the injury that retired Bret?

Any main eventor, I can possibly think of, has given more to the WWE than Bret Hart has.

Really so the Ultimate Warrior, Batista, Psycho Sid, Brock Lesnar and Bobby Lashley all gave more than Bret?

You can't have been serious, Bret gave the WWE his all for over 15 years and whether you like him or not we all as wrestling fans should appreciate and respect what he did to entertain us in the ring.

Well done though your main eventer comment gave me a good laugh you should put more thought into what you write because you did have some worthy points in your post but they are cancelled out by the drivel you spouted.

 

[SSJPhenom]

I love watching the WWE tease the Canadian crowd with Bret Hart everytime they go up there. I think that it is hilarious. C'mon, we know that he is not going to be coming out, but to watch the hopeful faces of the Canadians as his music hits is just priceless. They think that Bret Hart is the be all end all in professional wrestling and the truth is that he was damn good, but he wasn't the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be.

I agree 100% on everything that Ric Flair has said about Bret Hart. Bret was great in the ring but he wasn't a huge draw. He will be remembered as a great in ring performer, but at the end of the day, I am going to remember Bret Hart as a guy that couldn't do business the way that it should have been done. If he hadn't have tarnished his legacy with the way he went out of the WWE, he might have very well been the best ever. Simply put people, Bret screwed Bret!

 

[Milkyway!]

Milkyway,
The sheer stupidity emanating from your post is astounding. I don't know which is worst, your ridiculous comments about Bret Harts,

Oh really? Because I see Bret Hart as nothing more than an overratted mic carder, that needs to grow the fuck up. I'm stupid? Thats quite funny. Because for the most part its true. Watch McMahon interviews on the screw job, Watch Shawn interviews on the screw job , watch Stone Cold's interview on the screw job. The only person that portrays Bret Hart as getting screwed when it comes to the screw job, is Bret Hart. When in reality, hes not man enough to face the facts that he fucked up, and lost his shot at professional wrestling because of it.

Owen Hart and the British Bulldog

I made any comments on Owen Hart and the British Bulldog during my post? Unless you don't understand what sarcasm is, its obvious to me, you missunderstood my post. I was sarcastically saying Bret Hart created their careers, when when it all boils down to it, Owen was just as good as Bret. The Bulldog is better, in my book.

or your obvious lack of fighting experience by implying that a broken bone is worst than a severe concussion.

Actually, I've been hit by two cars. One blowing out my left knee, causing a severe concusion, and broke my wrist. The other blowing out my left knee again, causing a second severe concution. Last year in a wrestling match I blew my left knee out yet again, tore my rotator cuff. Out of all of that, if I had to rank any of it as bad? Obviously the knee blowing out hurt me the worst, but I would rank my broken wrist worse than a concussion, any day of the week.

Man Milkyway I had to reply to your post

Glad you found me entertaining?

Ok let me break your finger then I'll kick you in the head as hard as i can. I'd like to see which you thought was worse then! Do you actually know the extent of the injury that retired Bret?

He suffered a severe stroke? That hes lucky to have lived through?

Really so the Ultimate Warrior

Yes, go down to Brock Lesnar, and see this.

Batista,

The man has had countless injuries, countless muscle pulls, a couple of back problems, and some knee problems. You can fight through a severe cuncussion, I've done it throughout a wrestling match. Not to mention hes been a huge draw for the WWE for the past 3 years, and even carried SmackDown for a year or two there.

Psycho Sid,

Yes.

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Basically, Sid could have been a great asset to the sport, had this leg not snapped like it did. (Thats what I mean Feldernio)

Brock Lesnar

Brock Lesnar made the WWE tons of money, thats more than Bret Hart ever did. In the words of Ric Flair, you can't be a star, if you aren't drawing any money.

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Bobby Lashley

The guy was in the WWE what? 6 months? He never even held a world title (The ECW title hardly counts as a world title)

You can't have been serious, Bret gave the WWE his all for over 15 years and whether you like him or not we all as wrestling fans should appreciate and respect what he did to entertain us in the ring.

I do respect his inring abilities, but Bret Hart as a man? Is nothing more than a big baby in my eyes.

Well done though your main eventer comment gave me a good laugh you should put more thought into what you write because you did have some worthy points in your post but they are cancelled out by the drivel you spouted.

 

[Felderino]

So Milkyway when you say gave more to the WWE you mean how many injuries a competitor had in their career? Because that's what it looks like you're implying to me. You need to clarify this for me or am I reading you're reply wrongly and being stupid? and if that is what you're saying then Sid's broken leg happened in WCW so how is that an example of giving to the WWE?

 

[Blueshirt]

I hate doing the quote thing. I hate even more being critical of other posts. But, to milkyway:
1. I don't doubt you have been hurt on mutiple occasions. But concussions END careers. Seriously, some concussions you NEVER heal from. Mike Richter, stanley cup winnng goaltender of the rangers had to retire because of a severe concussion. He sleeps with METAL blinds to keep out the sun so he can sleep at night.
2. Seriously...you compare bret hart to sid, the warrior, and brock lesnar...come on dude. that's just silly...so silly it doesn't warrant discussion.