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i think edge would stayed until wrestlemania 28 , would he surpassed flair's world title record? probably not seeming in a year he would have to win the title 5 times more and be in main event matches more cuz if you remember at extreme rules the orginal match was edge defending his belt in a ladder match. ladder matches take a toll on your body If he was good to compete after that, i said his final feud would been against christian. also sidenote i really dont like edge's new haircut it's not EDGE!
 
Edge has done it all in terms of a successful wwe career. He truly climbed thru the ranks and took advantage of his momentum. He got over because of his ability to evolve as a character. Edge just wants to be adam copeland now and he said it. Hypothetically if he were to still be around he would most likely be putting over younger stars much like y2j. Edge had a great career and anyone who thinks not is a fool! Thank u
 
From everything I've seen and read Edge wanted to go into WM27 as champ, and hold the title on and off between WM27 and WM28 while feuding with Christian.

As for the number of title runs Edge accumulated over the course of his career I think at the end he would have went out with 13. Edge was at 11 title runs before retiring as champion, he would have probably would have traded the title back and forth between Christian and Del Rio throughout 2011 and into 2012.

As for the people saying Edge was worthless, you are all complete fucking idiots. Edge was one of the most vital superstars in the WWE over the past 7 years. Edge was at the center of some of the best feuds and story lines the WWE offered up over the past 7 years. His work with Cena, Orton, Batista and Undertaker is some of the best the business has seen.

Edge is one of the most important WWE Superstars to step into the main spot light post Attitude Era.
 
No Edge did not have anymore left he was hurting badly as it was the only logical thing to do was retire so he could enjoy his life without living it in a wheelchair because he didn't know when to stop as far as him winning anymore world titles again if his injuries had not forced him into retirement yes he would have held one or two more but Edge would not have been the guy to surpass Ric Flair and honestly i do not think anyone will ever do that.
 
I think Edge is gonna pull an HBK.... he's gonna rest up and get healthy, and than make a return down the road when the time is right. He'll be back, I'd bet on it.
 
I think Edge is gonna pull an HBK.... he's gonna rest up and get healthy, and than make a return down the road when the time is right. He'll be back, I'd bet on it.

What part of "if I wrestle again I might die" did you misunderstand?

Edge has a severe spinal injury which, as I understand it, involves his spinal cord being compressed. He was already suffering from numbness and trembling, the next stage would have been paralysis.

Of course, it's devastating. He could have easily gone on for at least another ten years if he was healthy, but for the sake of his safety and livelihood, he was granted one last Wrestlemania moment to go out on a high, and retired before anything worse happened.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see him back. Commentary, management, whatever. But don't expect to see him compete again. Ever. Full stop.
 
Personally, I could not see that happening.

I loved Edge and am really missing him from the WWE but he did not have many title reigns left. Depending on when he retired he may have only had one or two more belts.
 
What part of "if I wrestle again I might die" did you misunderstand?

Edge has a severe spinal injury which, as I understand it, involves his spinal cord being compressed. He was already suffering from numbness and trembling, the next stage would have been paralysis.

HBK was nearly paralysed by his back injuries when he retired for 4 years. Bret Hart suffered a career ending concussion and a stroke and still came back back into the ring .Austin, Foley, Andre the Giant and so many others also suffered serious life/career threatening injuries and still competed. Maybe not as hard or as smoothly as before but still able to have a physical impact. another more recent example was JBL who was gone for a while as a broadcaster came back into the ring and won titles that no one thought he was worthy of until the belt was on him.

Sometimes with injuries like this, taking a long time off helps not heal but at least lessen their severity and allows for returns that might otherwise not happen. Looking outside of WWE, we see this in other sports like hockey and Mario Lemieux whose back injuries and other health issues forced him to retire and then return to play at a top level even years later.
 
Yes, you are a moron, so much to the point that when Edge suffered his injury you weren't even watching wrestling. Yes, you are a moron, because you've attempted to convey you wrestling knowledge through the length in-which you've been viewing the product, longevity doesn't make knowledge, I've been watching WWE since 1996, I remember Edge's debut, hell I remember the vignettes leading up to his debut, I remember Christian's debut, I remember The Brood, Hardy Boys vs. Edge and Christian in the first ever tag team ladder match, I remember when they broke up, Edge's return from his neck injury; but I know for a fact, and this isn't hypothetical, that Edge couldn't keep going.

You asked a question and the majority of your answers reflects that of my own, so get with the program. Edge couldn't pull a Bret Farve, he was in too much pain! The guy couldn't keep wrestling, he'd have paralyzed himself, it isn't a thing of he didn't want to it is a fact of, he couldn't. If you knew what you were talking about you'd realise no matter how much of a hypothetical thread; not forum, the forum is the entire function surrounding which the thread is made, once again showing your lack of knowledge on anything you're spitting out, Edge couldn't keep wrestling. End of story.

You're ragging on someone who's proud they've watched for 7 years when you've been watching since 1996? If it's length of time you want to argue as being relative to being a true fan, I've been watching since 1984. You remember the Brood, Hardy Boys and E&C? I remember watching Strike Force, the Rockers, Big John Studd vs Andre in a bodyslam challenge, Hogan vs King Kong Bundy in a steel cage, Andre letting Hogan slam him at WMIII. LOD and Demolition, the Mega Powers, the original Hart Foundation and British Bulldogs, Savage marrying Elizabeth, their breakup and Scary Sherri. WWVI Warrior beats Hogan at Skydome. Don't think that someone watching for 7 years and you watching since 1996 means you are more of a fan or more knowledgeable about a specific wrestler just because you've watched longer.

As for the rest of the thread, if Edge had been able to remain healthy and was able to last longer, he would likely have surpassed flair, but not before HHH or Cena had already done so. Don't forget that Flair was winning championships into his 40's and early 50's. as mus has I hate flair and find him over-rated (people praise flair but he had a far more limited move-set then people like Cena who gets ragged on for the limits in his moves) If he had been able to work, even if limiting his moves to remove as much risk as possible, Edge could still have lasted a few years and won a few more titles. But due to his style of inring work, he was too injured to do so and for that, we as fans have to have respect for Adam Copeland as both a man and as a performer.
 
I think we are losing threads of reality here.


What is the question? If Edge was was healthy would he have continued?

Ye sure, why not? What else did he have except wrestling. He's a fucking mark. He loved this as a fan and then became a top superstar here.
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What was the other question? Would he have beat Flair's record?

I don't think so. Hunter had the best chance and I don't think he's going anywhere near a title soon.


To be honest I don't know which injury resulted into Edge retiring. Having watched WWE since 94/95 if I try and remember that age, I recall Sable's hand printed boobs and Austin shenanigans and then I stop recollecting and enjoy those. But I remember Edge teaming with Sable at SSlam 98. First ever PPV of the man. Ha! Look at that, I'm a smark.

.......So ye injury. He seemed fine after the neck injury but wasn't it the achiles' tendon that really did him in?

If he didn't have a career-ending injury, will he still have gone? I think Dragon Saga is channeling D-Bry: YES! YES! YES!
 
HBK was nearly paralysed by his back injuries when he retired for 4 years. Bret Hart suffered a career ending concussion and a stroke and still came back back into the ring .Austin, Foley, Andre the Giant and so many others also suffered serious life/career threatening injuries and still competed. Maybe not as hard or as smoothly as before but still able to have a physical impact. another more recent example was JBL who was gone for a while as a broadcaster came back into the ring and won titles that no one thought he was worthy of until the belt was on him.

Sometimes with injuries like this, taking a long time off helps not heal but at least lessen their severity and allows for returns that might otherwise not happen. Looking outside of WWE, we see this in other sports like hockey and Mario Lemieux whose back injuries and other health issues forced him to retire and then return to play at a top level even years later.

And Zach Gowen wrestled with only one leg.

Don't assume that every injury is the same and can be treated by simply taking time off.

If, and it's a huge if, Edge was ever medically cleared to wrestle again the amount of spots he's be allowed to work would be incredibly limited. Think about it, wrestlers take most bumps on their backs. Edge has a condition where just one wrong move could end him. It is literally a case of the last straw on the camel's back.

The risk is just too damn high!
 
You're ragging on someone who's proud they've watched for 7 years when you've been watching since 1996? If it's length of time you want to argue as being relative to being a true fan, I've been watching since 1984. You remember the Brood, Hardy Boys and E&C? I remember watching Strike Force, the Rockers, Big John Studd vs Andre in a bodyslam challenge, Hogan vs King Kong Bundy in a steel cage, Andre letting Hogan slam him at WMIII. LOD and Demolition, the Mega Powers, the original Hart Foundation and British Bulldogs, Savage marrying Elizabeth, their breakup and Scary Sherri. WWVI Warrior beats Hogan at Skydome. Don't think that someone watching for 7 years and you watching since 1996 means you are more of a fan or more knowledgeable about a specific wrestler just because you've watched longer.

So you basically took what I said and applied it to yourself? Congratulations Captain Original. Whenever you want to not parody other peoples post in an attempt to seem somewhat intelligent in what you are speaking about, don't try it with me of all people, cause you simply won't win.

I didn't say I was more of a fan or more knowledgeable about a wrestler, did I? Want to re-read my post there, Captain Hindsight? Cause if you read it was making the observation that he didn't even watch when Edge was originally injured. However, I do know I have more knowledge than him because he doesn't have a clue about Edge, same way I can prove you don't have a clue about the injury Edge has and have commented rashly on it. So allow me to correct your wrongs.

HBK was nearly paralysed by his back injuries when he retired for 4 years. Bret Hart suffered a career ending concussion and a stroke and still came back back into the ring .Austin, Foley, Andre the Giant and so many others also suffered serious life/career threatening injuries and still competed. Maybe not as hard or as smoothly as before but still able to have a physical impact. another more recent example was JBL who was gone for a while as a broadcaster came back into the ring and won titles that no one thought he was worthy of until the belt was on him.

Shawn Michaels didn't have spinal stenosis in three discs in his spine. I know somebody that suffers from it and guess what? It barely heals when you have it in one disc or simply have it going down the cord itself, so no, Edge can take six years off, he still won't have another wrestling match. Shawn Michaels isn't a legitimate comparison.

Bret Hart suffered two strokes before he got back in the ring actually, you know, when he had that match with Vince McMahon where we knew he couldn't take a bump because of the fact he has suffered a couple strokes. So once again, Bret doesn't count because he didn't actually wrestle a full match, he more-so told a story.

Austin doesn't suffer from spinal stenosis either and Mick Foley has never had a career threatening injury. Read his book and you would know that, see that's how I'm more knowledgeable than you, I know my stuff where as you're throwing out random examples. And JBL was hurting all over but it wasn't due to broken bones or something where your spinal cord can whither away, become weak and frail in a matter of years and leave you paralyzed from the neck down. That's why Edge can't wrestle, once again, I know all of this and I'm not even an overly big fan of his. I think Christian has always been better.

I also saw you thrash Ric Flair? Dude, you have came to the wrong forum. Not only am I a huge Ric Flair fan and appreciate and respect everything he does for the business, I am also more-or-less the leader of believers on this here forum that believe he should keep doing what he is doing because he is a good 10x more entertaining than most of the young guys coming through these days. So watch whose shoes you tread on.
 
Let him be, he seems at peace with the fact that he won't wrestle again and even if he was clear to wrestle i think he would still stay away. He has achieved alot in the WWE and he left on a high note so he's got alot to be proud of.

I would love to see him make appearances here and there though, i think he would make a good GM or Manager.
 
And Zach Gowen wrestled with only one leg.

Don't assume that every injury is the same and can be treated by simply taking time off.

If, and it's a huge if, Edge was ever medically cleared to wrestle again the amount of spots he's be allowed to work would be incredibly limited. Think about it, wrestlers take most bumps on their backs. Edge has a condition where just one wrong move could end him. It is literally a case of the last straw on the camel's back.

The risk is just too damn high!

I didn't assume anything about injuries. I stated that some times it does help to have some time to rest, but that others it doesn't. In Edge's case, he is too injured and too risky to return. But the original spirit of the thread was what would Edge have ended up doing if he had NOT been injured and forced to retire and THAT is what I have been trying to show in my posts. And to be frank, even a limited Edge would be more entertaining in the ring than most of the current roster. I'd rather see Edge in a match whre he could only throw a few punches and maybe a DDT or something then watch anything with Brodius Clay, Brock Lesnar, Ryback and some of the others.
What's the old saying? he could wrestle a broomstick and make it interesting? That was Edge's greatest talent, the ability to bring emotion into the matches regardless of his opponents or whether he was face/heel. When he was in the match, you watched him, even if you didn't like him.
 
So you basically took what I said and applied it to yourself? Congratulations Captain Original. Whenever you want to not parody other peoples post in an attempt to seem somewhat intelligent in what you are speaking about, don't try it with me of all people, cause you simply won't win.

I didn't say I was more of a fan or more knowledgeable about a wrestler, did I? Want to re-read my post there, Captain Hindsight? Cause if you read it was making the observation that he didn't even watch when Edge was originally injured. However, I do know I have more knowledge than him because he doesn't have a clue about Edge, same way I can prove you don't have a clue about the injury Edge has and have commented rashly on it. So allow me to correct your wrongs.

Shawn Michaels didn't have spinal stenosis in three discs in his spine. I know somebody that suffers from it and guess what? It barely heals when you have it in one disc or simply have it going down the cord itself, so no, Edge can take six years off, he still won't have another wrestling match. Shawn Michaels isn't a legitimate comparison.

Bret Hart suffered two strokes before he got back in the ring actually, you know, when he had that match with Vince McMahon where we knew he couldn't take a bump because of the fact he has suffered a couple strokes. So once again, Bret doesn't count because he didn't actually wrestle a full match, he more-so told a story.

Austin doesn't suffer from spinal stenosis either and Mick Foley has never had a career threatening injury. Read his book and you would know that, see that's how I'm more knowledgeable than you, I know my stuff where as you're throwing out random examples. And JBL was hurting all over but it wasn't due to broken bones or something where your spinal cord can whither away, become weak and frail in a matter of years and leave you paralyzed from the neck down. That's why Edge can't wrestle, once again, I know all of this and I'm not even an overly big fan of his. I think Christian has always been better.

I also saw you thrash Ric Flair? Dude, you have came to the wrong forum. Not only am I a huge Ric Flair fan and appreciate and respect everything he does for the business, I am also more-or-less the leader of believers on this here forum that believe he should keep doing what he is doing because he is a good 10x more entertaining than most of the young guys coming through these days. So watch whose shoes you tread on.

1-Obviously you are far from the intelligence you try to project if you didn't realise that I was poking fun at your assertion that the poster you quoted was less of a fan and therefore less knowledgeable about wrestling and health then you are because you have watched wrestling longer then him.

2-What does watching Edge and the original injury have to do with having a clue about who Edge is. Unless you are a member of the WWE roster/staff or one of his family you don't know him any better then any one else on the forums. As for not knowing about the injury, of course I don't know anything about it. I never mention a specific injury anyway. I was talking about generic injuries that others have had and were able to come back from. I realise that this isn't going to happen for Edge.

3-While Shawn might not be a completely pure comparison, you actually brought up a better one. Bret did return and had some matches, very limited true but he did some back.

4-I have read all for Foley's books. Reading a book doesn't mean that you know more about a subject that has nothing to do with the material in the book.

5-You come right out and say that you know more about this than others simply because you read non related books and 'know' someone who has the condition edge has. Yet you also claim you never said you never stated you were more knowledgeable than others. You called me Captain Obvious so that must make you Commander Hypocrite?

6-Flair IS over-rated. His one true talent was being able to work the crowd, with some minor in ring skills. Chop, "WHOOO", fall off top rope, stagger fall faceplant, lowblow, figure-4. That's pretty much all he ever did. I do accept that he could as I stated work a crowd and get a reaction, but his in ring work was only slightly superior to Hogan's. And don't fool yourself, it was the outside popularity and backstage politics that made both of those guys more then anything they could do in the ring.

7-Like so many others, you completely ignore the point of the original thread. Which was how far Edge could have gone if he wasn't forced to retire by his injuries, either the final one or his combined injuries.
 
I'd rather see Edge in a match whre he could only throw a few punches and maybe a DDT or something

You do realise that performing a DDT involves landing on your back?

And yes, to go back to the right honourable OP's question, had Edge not picked up his career-ending injury, he could have carried on working for at least five to ten more years.

Breaking Flair's record? No, and he doesn't need to in all honesty, there's more to going down in history than just how many championships you've won. Besides, Flair's record, even if broken, will be far more impressive since his collection of titles come from more than one company.
 
You do realise that performing a DDT involves landing on your back?

And yes, to go back to the right honourable OP's question, had Edge not picked up his career-ending injury, he could have carried on working for at least five to ten more years.

Breaking Flair's record? No, and he doesn't need to in all honesty, there's more to going down in history than just how many championships you've won. Besides, Flair's record, even if broken, will be far more impressive since his collection of titles come from more than one company.

Yes I do realise this. I was actually thinking for of a move like the sit down ddt/faceplant or even a side drop to land more on legs and ass then on back, but that might be worse. The point was that even a limited Edge is more entertaining then a lot of the mid and low card roster.

Nice to see someone else getting back on track with the thread. Though not sure I agree, given a few more years, and assuming that HHH or Cena didn't it first, then Edge likely would have past Flair. If only for Vince to try and bury as much of Flair as he can by downgrading Flair's legacy of 16 world champs. Let's not forget, HHH is at 13 and could have some short time as a transition champ if he comes back on a partial basis. I'm not saying he will, but he could if needed do so and if they felt it was warranted he would. The real threat though is Cena and possibly Orton. Neither really needs to be in title picture at this point but they are two of a short list of stars that winning a title from would make it seem more legit. And before anyone gets up to it, I do include Punk among those few, though Sheamus and Bryan are not quite there yet and neither is ADR.
 
5-You come right out and say that you know more about this than others simply because you read non related books and 'know' someone who has the condition edge has. Yet you also claim you never said you never stated you were more knowledgeable than others. You called me Captain Obvious so that must make you Commander Hypocrite?

Sorry, I went back and re-read my post. You called me Captain Hindsight, not Captain Obvious. Hey look, you were right. No,.. .wait. Hindsight.

hindsight [ˈhaɪndˌsaɪt]
n
1. the ability to understand, after something has happened, what should have been done or what caused the event

So since I don't understand what your point is aside from your self professed superiority and degredation of another poster just to make yourself feel better nor what caused you to think so highly of yourself I quess I can't be Captain Hindsight.
 
It seems like they were going for that, at least. I'd believe it, because they spent a ton of time giving him title reigns, usually short ones, but the number increased every time. Shame how things turn out, but for what it's worth, he really did have one hell of a career. Not many can do the shit Edge managed to do.
 
So you basically took what I said and applied it to yourself? Congratulations Captain Original. Whenever you want to not parody other peoples post in an attempt to seem somewhat intelligent in what you are speaking about, don't try it with me of all people, cause you simply won't win.

I didn't say I was more of a fan or more knowledgeable about a wrestler, did I? Want to re-read my post there, Captain Hindsight? Cause if you read it was making the observation that he didn't even watch when Edge was originally injured. However, I do know I have more knowledge than him because he doesn't have a clue about Edge, same way I can prove you don't have a clue about the injury Edge has and have commented rashly on it. So allow me to correct your wrongs.

Shawn Michaels didn't have spinal stenosis in three discs in his spine. I know somebody that suffers from it and guess what? It barely heals when you have it in one disc or simply have it going down the cord itself, so no, Edge can take six years off, he still won't have another wrestling match. Shawn Michaels isn't a legitimate comparison.

Bret Hart suffered two strokes before he got back in the ring actually, you know, when he had that match with Vince McMahon where we knew he couldn't take a bump because of the fact he has suffered a couple strokes. So once again, Bret doesn't count because he didn't actually wrestle a full match, he more-so told a story.

Austin doesn't suffer from spinal stenosis either and Mick Foley has never had a career threatening injury. Read his book and you would know that, see that's how I'm more knowledgeable than you, I know my stuff where as you're throwing out random examples. And JBL was hurting all over but it wasn't due to broken bones or something where your spinal cord can whither away, become weak and frail in a matter of years and leave you paralyzed from the neck down. That's why Edge can't wrestle, once again, I know all of this and I'm not even an overly big fan of his. I think Christian has always been better.

I also saw you thrash Ric Flair? Dude, you have came to the wrong forum. Not only am I a huge Ric Flair fan and appreciate and respect everything he does for the business, I am also more-or-less the leader of believers on this here forum that believe he should keep doing what he is doing because he is a good 10x more entertaining than most of the young guys coming through these days. So watch whose shoes you tread on.

Stone Cold was forced to retire from spinal stenosis, hate to break it to you.
 
I think he would have had a few more title runs, but something tells me they won't let anyone surpass Flair. I am not sure why, but it is my gut feeling. I thought if anyone would do it HHH would have so I am thinking if it wasn't him it wouldn't have been Edge.
 
This one is easy really. No chance.

Edge likely was only going to wrestle one or two more years anyway ... as HE said numerous times.

But that aside ... the E would not let Edge get that record. Trips always seemed in line to make a run at it and it seems clear that they will not let him (or he won't let himself) get there at this point. That record (while technically is really just a prop :-)) matters to these people.

I *think* we could see someone like John Cena or Randy Orton make a legit run at it in the long run ... but as wrestlers get older, they do not NEED the title to make them money makers (look at Michaels and Taker for example).

So in short ... no chance in hell Edge would have touched 16 titles.
 

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