Edge vs. Hollywood

[TheOneBigWill]

Oh my goodness, is it ever one-sided in here. Whelp, it definately won't be without a heavy flow of rebuttals, but here goes.

Hollywood Hulk Hogan isn't the immortal heel everyone believes he is. The guy was a baby face, "the" baby-face of the entire wrestling world. A guy that large in life, and that huge in credibility through wrestling history can't suddenly 180 and be the best heel in the business as well. It's illogical. It's contradicting and makes Hogan seem like the worst at what he's ever been, instead of the best. You can't be the best of both worlds, plain and simple.

Furthermore, while I'm not disputing that Hogan had heel heat.. I'm firming stating that he must definately didn't just create it on his own. His heat was given to him via the n.W.o. as a group, as a whole. He turned on children, of course he's going to be hated. But not to the point of being good at it. I can take candy from a baby too, and be disliked, but will I be the most disliked and hated person in the world for it? No.. people will forget it in time.

When people remember the n.W.o., they remember a faction that almost engulfed a company. Lead by Hollywood Hulk Hogan. At one point, it was such a well-over faction, Hogan had more people cheering him, than booing him.. which made him no better than Edge in 2005-06. Therefore, Hulk Hogan wasn't a hated heel, he still had his die-hard legion of fans cheering him, and he couldn't get them to boo him. The only time he ever had people booing him, was when he was siding with people they didn't like. (ie. Hall, Nash, Syxx, Savage) So in a sense, Hogan didn't do shit.. he was carried through being a heel of the n.W.o. (yes, I fully expect this to be debated)

On the flip side.. so what, Edge fucked someone else's girlfriend in real life.. it caused people to hate him and it single handedly turned him into one of the most over heels in the business, didn't it? Hogan said "stick it" and Edge "stuck it" there is no difference.

Except when you look at the boos that it created. Hogan's career was already made so him being heel did nothing other than half-way helped a group get over, which even at that point it was so overloaded with talent it would've been the greatest flop in wrestling history had it not.

Edge's heel turn, made his career. Edge was a mid-carder for life until his penis found Lita's crotch. But the difference that made the transition is that Edge took that, and warped it into an entire gimmick. The Rated R Superstar. From that point, he made you hate him for everything he did to Matt Hardy, to Ric Flair, to Roddy Piper, to Triple H. to Shawn Michaels.. to multiple others.

If Edge wasn't one of the, if not possibly THE greatest heel of all time, then explain to me how a widow, with roughly NO experience in the business, could be transformed into one of the most over individuals in the company today?

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

Oh my goodness, is it ever one-sided in here. Whelp, it definately won't be without a heavy flow of rebuttals, but here goes.

And here is numero uno.

Hollywood Hulk Hogan isn't the immortal heel everyone believes he is. The guy was a baby face, "the" baby-face of the entire wrestling world. A guy that large in life, and that huge in credibility through wrestling history can't suddenly 180 and be the best heel in the business as well. It's illogical. It's contradicting and makes Hogan seem like the worst at what he's ever been, instead of the best. You can't be the best of both worlds, plain and simple.

Oh, but he can. He DID in fact do just that. So have others...namely The Rock. People were crazy about him in the Fall of '98...he was "The People's Champ." Then he sold out and turned his back on the fans for the "money" and "power" that came with joining The Corporation. It was no different with Hogan. For the hundredth time...HE HAD CRAP PELTED AT HIM. He went from standing for what is right and just...he took on the Dungeon of Doom, the dirty Four Horsemen....he even teamed up with his soulmate Savage and took out a gargantuan collection of bad guys in a monster friggin cage match at Uncensored '96....Then two pay-per-views later...he came out as if to help Savage...then leg-dropped him and told the fans to stick it. If that's not a 180...then please elaborate as to what is.

Furthermore, while I'm not disputing that Hogan had heel heat.. I'm firming stating that he must definately didn't just create it on his own. His heat was given to him via the n.W.o. as a group, as a whole. He turned on children, of course he's going to be hated. But not to the point of being good at it. I can take candy from a baby too, and be disliked, but will I be the most disliked and hated person in the world for it? No.. people will forget it in time.

How did he not create his own heat? He told the people that looked up to him and "made him" that they wouldn't be in the arena if it wasn't for him. He took all of the success that he had and all of the support that the fans gave him and he credited it all to himself. Furthermore, Hall and Nash tended to get a lot of cheers (i.e. the survey)...so how were they carrying the heat?

When people remember the n.W.o., they remember a faction that almost engulfed a company. Lead by Hollywood Hulk Hogan. At one point, it was such a well-over faction, Hogan had more people cheering him, than booing him.. which made him no better than Edge in 2005-06. Therefore, Hulk Hogan wasn't a hated heel, he still had his die-hard legion of fans cheering him, and he couldn't get them to boo him. The only time he ever had people booing him, was when he was siding with people they didn't like. (ie. Hall, Nash, Syxx, Savage) So in a sense, Hogan didn't do shit.. he was carried through being a heel of the n.W.o. (yes, I fully expect this to be debated)

Again, a lot of the guys in the nWo were "cool" to root for...i.e. Hall, Nash, Steiner. So how was "siding" with them latching onto their "heat"? It would seem, rather, that it was more of the other way around, junior.

On the flip side.. so what, Edge fucked someone else's girlfriend in real life.. it caused people to hate him and it single handedly turned him into one of the most over heels in the business, didn't it? Hogan said "stick it" and Edge "stuck it" there is no difference.

Again, Matt Hardy isn't even the most popular Hardy in the business, let alone THAT popular of a guy himself. Fact is that Matt Hardy was nothing special. The "face" that helped turn Edge is not comparable to the "face" that helped turn Hogan (Savage/himself).

Furthermore, I'll argue that without Lita, Edge wouldn't have been able to make the turn. Take Lita out of that equation, and what do you have? You have two guys on the mid-card who used to feud in tag teams. I GUESS that can draw. With Hogan, however, all he had to do was drop a leg on a guy and he was getting trash pelted at him. Seems to me that there is quite a bit of a difference.

Except when you look at the boos that it created. Hogan's career was already made so him being heel did nothing other than half-way helped a group get over, which even at that point it was so overloaded with talent it would've been the greatest flop in wrestling history had it not.

'"Who's the third man? Who's the third man? Who's the third man?" Count how many times that was said during that angle. The fact is...the nWo would have been nothing without Hogan being involved. He didn't halfway get them over...he GOT them over. Sure, they were overloaded with talent...but Nash and Hall were nothing compared to Hogan. Without Hogan...Nash and Hall would have been less over than the Horsemen. Maybe like Dungeon of Doom level.

Edge's heel turn, made his career. Edge was a mid-carder for life until his penis found Lita's crotch. But the difference that made the transition is that Edge took that, and warped it into an entire gimmick. The Rated R Superstar. From that point, he made you hate him for everything he did to Matt Hardy, to Ric Flair, to Roddy Piper, to Triple H. to Shawn Michaels.. to multiple others.

Edge's heel turn "making his career" does not make him a better heel.

Yeah, Hogan's turn turned him into "Hollywood." Different gimmick. And Hogan made you hate him with what he did to Savage, the Hulkamaniacs, WCW, Piper, Sting, Flair, etc etc etc.

If Edge wasn't one of the, if not possibly THE greatest heel of all time, then explain to me how a widow, with roughly NO experience in the business, could be transformed into one of the most over individuals in the company today?

No one is saying that Edge isn't a good heel...just not close to the level that Hogan was. Hogan created a boom...Edge is a heel in a wrestling-down phase. When Edge has people throwing garbage at him, hoping that ANYONE, regardless of talent or entertainment value, will beat him, and attracts an audience above a 4.0...then perhaps this discussion can be had.

 

[Shocky]

And Now Uncle Shocky is off of the sideline and into the game.

Hollywood Hulk Hogan isn't the immortal heel everyone believes he is. The guy was a baby face, "the" baby-face of the entire wrestling world. A guy that large in life, and that huge in credibility through wrestling history can't suddenly 180 and be the best heel in the business as well. It's illogical. It's contradicting and makes Hogan seem like the worst at what he's ever been, instead of the best. You can't be the best of both worlds, plain and simple.

So why can't you be the best of both worlds, simply because. That makes no sense. I"ll use examples from both Sports and entertainment. Michael Jordan was Defensive Player of the Year, but also leading scorer on how many occasions. Or in Entertainment, take someone like Denzel Washington, won an Oscar for his good guy role in Glory, and another one for his bad guy role in Training Day. It's completely plausible to be the best in the business being both things. Hogan was the best heel because he was the best face. Hogan used the raw emotion of his betrayal and ran with it. That angle could have faded within two months, but he ran with it for over two years and was hated the entire time.

Furthermore, while I'm not disputing that Hogan had heel heat.. I'm firming stating that he must definately didn't just create it on his own. His heat was given to him via the n.W.o. as a group, as a whole. He turned on children, of course he's going to be hated. But not to the point of being good at it. I can take candy from a baby too, and be disliked, but will I be the most disliked and hated person in the world for it? No.. people will forget it in time.

Oh he certainly did create that heat on his own, because of the betrayal. The Night at the Bash of the Beach, wasn't Nash or Hall. I didn't see the ring littered with trash when those two were on the way to it or in it. When Hogan took the mic, that place was livid and it had as much heat as hell. Hogan in two words "Stick It", became the most hated person alive in the wrestling business.

When people remember the n.W.o., they remember a faction that almost engulfed a company. Lead by Hollywood Hulk Hogan. At one point, it was such a well-over faction, Hogan had more people cheering him, than booing him.. which made him no better than Edge in 2005-06. Therefore, Hulk Hogan wasn't a hated heel, he still had his die-hard legion of fans cheering him, and he couldn't get them to boo him. The only time he ever had people booing him, was when he was siding with people they didn't like. (ie. Hall, Nash, Syxx, Savage) So in a sense, Hogan didn't do shit.. he was carried through being a heel of the n.W.o. (yes, I fully expect this to be debated)

You have that backwards. I seem to remember Hall, Nash, and Syxx being the little "kewl" faction of the NWO while Hogan was the bastard running the show. The Little KliqPack was getting cheered and it was Hogan coming out turning the fans on them. Hall and Nash were over as tweeners, they were never, ever close to getting the heel heat that Hogan did.

On the flip side.. so what, Edge fucked someone else's girlfriend in real life.. it caused people to hate him and it single handedly turned him into one of the most over heels in the business, didn't it? Hogan said "stick it" and Edge "stuck it" there is no difference.

Except when you look at the boos that it created. Hogan's career was already made so him being heel did nothing other than half-way helped a group get over, which even at that point it was so overloaded with talent it would've been the greatest flop in wrestling history had it not.

Edge's heel turn, made his career. Edge was a mid-carder for life until his penis found Lita's crotch. But the difference that made the transition is that Edge took that, and warped it into an entire gimmick. The Rated R Superstar. From that point, he made you hate him for everything he did to Matt Hardy, to Ric Flair, to Roddy Piper, to Triple H. to Shawn Michaels.. to multiple others.

If Edge wasn't one of the, if not possibly THE greatest heel of all time, then explain to me how a widow, with roughly NO experience in the business, could be transformed into one of the most over individuals in the company today?

So now onto Edge. Edge, the career mid carder, mysterious face that turned into the silent heel, that turned into the baby face, that turned into the comedy heel, that turned into the couldn't get over face, that got injured, who returned and lost all of his heat to become a crazy heel yet couldn't get above the midcard until he boinked the Kewl guy that had a Myspace Blog's girlfriend and pissed off all of the prepubescent kids that were friends with him on myspace. Pretty much covers it I think.

Look I'm a career Edge Fan. I've liked the guy since the beginning, but to say that he is in Hogan's league as a face or heel is laughable, beyond laughable to the point of me being embarrassed for todays fans and their complete lack of knowledge or respect for the wrestling business. Edge is a good heel, sure, but a good heel in the time of exceptionally poor heel work.

 

[wstearns]

I agree with the part that you should loathe them, and you should want to see them lose. But why would I want anyone, even if it is a bad guy to be boring? Should people like heels if they're doing a good job, no, but that doesn't mean that you can't find them entertaining. Edge does stuff that makes a lot of people hate him and want to see him lose, but at the same time that stuff adds to storylines and matches and it makes it all more exciting

Exactly. Because if getting people to hate you by being boring makes you a good heel, then The Great Khali is the greatest heel ever.

 

[HBK-aholic]

Hollywood Hulk Hogan is the biggest face in wrestling history. I don't think many will deny that. He is known for being a great wrestler, and the guy who, arguably, singlehandedly made the WWE what it is today. The guy who saved the WWE. And the guy who made the WWE reach out to every possible audience. Today, this is what he is known for. Many people thank him for the growing number of young fans the WWE has. He was the sort of person parents loved their children watching. The person who could be counted on for great matches, and the one who encouraged children not to try this at home.

However, I'm speaking there for the majority. Because when it comes down to my personal opinion, there are very few people I find more boring to watch. Hogan was one of those people who simply never give me the rush wrestling is all about. Who never excited me with what he did. His matches were nothing to me. I never got into the character he was playing either. He never reached out to me in a way that made me care what happened. And as a great heel, isn't it all about getting a fan to care about the match?

Edge, on the other hand, excites me greatly. I have such a hatred for this guy it's unreal. He makes things really personal, using a recent example, he cheated on his wife with their wedding planner. As this footage was being shown I had so much hatred towards Edge. And he played the cocky heel brilliantly. Angered that he'd been found out, blaming Triple H for showing it, rather than himself for doing it. And, can you get much more personal with the fans than sleeping with the widow of one of their favourite wrestlers? This in itself feuls heel heat, and Edge knows exactly how to work that.

Hogan will never be remembered for his heel work. He is a face through and through. He was a good heel yes, but Edge is better. His work as a face was brilliant. And it's this alone that makes people think of him as a good heel. The fact is, he went from a brilliant face, to a good heel. It's such a transition that people automatically thought Hogan was the heel of all heels. However if he hadn't been such a good face, his heel work would never be remembered as being as good as some people are saying it is now.

We will remember Edge for how amazing at being a heel he was. At the emotions he gave us. We'll remember Hogan for being the guy everyone loved, and the one who saved the WWE. But to say Hogan was the greatest heel ever is very disrespectful to Edge and to the business. Edge is a better heel. Hogan is a better face. But that doesn't mean Hogan was a great heel.

 

[Davi323]

It seems that there are quite a lot of people here that remember Hogan's heel work quite well, HBK-aholic. And, as many have correctly pointed out, Edge hasn't had the trash thrown at him in the ring because he was hated so badly. Hogan has. Hogan's heel character was a direct "F You" to his face character, the antithesis of training, saying prayers, and taking vitamins. Edge could never do that. He will never draw the heat that Hogan did. Edge is cheered, depending on who his opponent is. Hollywood Hogan was absolutely hated. Edge is a "cool" heel. Its okay for me to cheer for Edge, and not feel bad. Nobody in WCW cheered for Hogan when he was introduced as the leader of the nWo. Part of the problem I think, is the reaction Hogan got when he returned to the WWE, and fought the Rock at WM. He was clearly the bad guy, and was booed as the nWo did their antics leading up to the event. However, Hogan + WWF/E + Wrestlemania is simply special. It is the ONE place where Hollywood Hulk Hogan simply doesn't exist in the minds of fans, he was the Immortal Hulk Hogan, regardless of character. I think some of the Edge fans see that, and go, "see! That proves he wasn't as good a heel as Edge is!"...Until reminded of the cheers Edge gets every time the WWE is in Canada...

 

[Skillz]

Because when it comes down to my personal opinion, there are very few people I find more boring to watch. Hogan was one of those people who simply never give me the rush wrestling is all about. Who never excited me with what he did. His matches were nothing to me. I never got into the character he was playing either. He never reached out to me in a way that made me care what happened.

And in the opinion of millions of fans all over the world, Hulk Hogan was the most entertaining wrestler of all time. Whether he was a face or heel, people were always completely emotionally invested into his matches.

And as a great heel, isn't it all about getting a fan to care about the match?

No, it's not about getting one single fan (you) to care about the match. It's about getting as many fans as possible to care about the match. And no heel in the history of this business got people to care about their matches as much as Hogan did. Hogan vs. Sting was one of the most anticipated matches ever. Why? Because of how good Hogan was at getting people to hate his guts so that Sting could finally defeat him. When Goldberg beat Hogan for the WCW title, it produced one of the biggest pops ever. All because of Hogan's unmatched heel ability.

Edge, on the other hand, excites me greatly. I have such a hatred for this guy it's unreal.

That's nice. But that's only YOUR opinion. Just because YOU hate him more, it doesn't make him a better heel.

Hogan will never be remembered for his heel work.

I suppose all of Hogan's heel work in the single biggest angle in wrestling history has all been forgotten?

But to say Hogan was the greatest heel ever is very disrespectful to Edge and to the business. Edge is a better heel. Hogan is a better face. But that doesn't mean Hogan was a great heel.

Basically, your reasoning for saying Edge is a better heel is because you like (or like to hate) him more. That is your whole argument. Which of course is completely ridiculous, as your sole opinion means nothing, especially when comparing it to the millions of fans who despised Hogan when he was a heel.

 

[HBK-aholic]

Is the whole point of a forum not to give your opinion on matters? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the whole reason people sign up is to give their opinion, not the combined opinion of every WWE fan. Gosh what a boring place that would be. If you read all of my post, you'll say I said Hogan was a good heel. I also said he was the best face in the business, and as you'll see below, a whole paragraph about how good he was.

Hollywood Hulk Hogan is the biggest face in wrestling history. I don't think many will deny that. He is known for being a great wrestler, and the guy who, arguably, singlehandedly made the WWE what it is today. The guy who saved the WWE. And the guy who made the WWE reach out to every possible audience. Today, this is what he is known for. Many people thank him for the growing number of young fans the WWE has. He was the sort of person parents loved their children watching. The person who could be counted on for great matches, and the one who encouraged children not to try this at home.

Reet, now that's sorted, I just have to mention something about the "Hogan got bottles thrown at him" argument. Do you not realise times have changed? And that if you attempted that you'd be thrown out of the arena? Have you never been to a live WWe event of even a live sporting event? Because you'll know how strict the rules are on it. Some places won't even allow bottles with lids on. This was the case when I went to see Raw at Manchester a couple of years ago. So before you use that as an example, think about how much things have changed since Hogan was a heel.

 

[THE Madcap]

Becca, please do not take the following as an attack on you, but merely as my self explanation as to why Edge is dominating this thread...

You are 16 yes? In which case, you would have been 4 or 5 when Hogan turned heel. At what age did you start to watch wrestling? Do you remember Hogan at all before he was Hollywood? Even so, how good are your memories of television from that age? Could you recall your exact emotions as that moment in wrestling history occured?

The reason I believe for many choosing Edge here is because his heel actions are fresh in your mind. Edge cheating on Vickie is NOTHING. It's been done plenty of times and for him to do that to another heel character is insignificant. Hogan's heel turn spat in the faces of EVERY kid and wrestling fan of that generation.

Personally, I can't stand Hogan and I love Edge, but strip out the Edge marks and the people younger than 20, and Hogan would dominate this poll. I'm sorry to say it, but this is how I see it.

Also, it really isn't hard to throw stuff at a ring, this has been happening for years. Bottles, plastic, glass, cups etc can be thrown with ease. I'm sure back then it was an offence to do that as well as try to jump the barrier, but people still did it anyway because they truely and geniunely hated what they saw.

Again Becca, I must stress that I like you and am no way attacking you because of your age. And I think you contribute so positively to this site, more so than people probably 3 times your age.

 

[IrishCanadian25]

Madcap's right (and I don't think anyone would take the way you constructed that post as a personal attack - age IS a factor here). Anyone who didn't experience Hogan as a full on face may not be able to appreciate the full scope of the heel turn - the empty feeling of betrayl. The one thing we NEVER thought would happen, actually happening.

Take Bret Hart as another example. He was the fighting champion babyface for the longest time, but when the Austin feud happened, Hart went heel. When he turned on America and became the anti-US bad guy, he got straight up nuclear heat in the states, partially because nobody ever saw HIM as a bad guy ever happening. Same deal with Hogan.

With Edge, it was no shock at all. The guy's turned more times than I can recall.

 

[HBK-aholic]

Don't worry, I didn't take it as a personal attack. I expected this issue to come up, and generally do when in the Old School section.

I've grown up watching the WWE, due to the whole of my family also watching it. I grew up watching Hogan. And thoroughout all of that I never had an opinion on him. I didn't like his style, but his matches didn't affect me either way. When he was a face, and when he was a heel I just didn't care. I've only ever truely cared about one Hogan match, and that was due to his opponent.

I spend a lot of time watching old videos of wrestling from even before I was born. You wouldn't believe the collection of them we have. Hence how I know a lot about wrestling from 20 years ago plus. Some people being younger could have an affect on their decision, but I wouldn't say it directly affected mine.

However what I do agree with is that more people have voted Edge over Hogan because it's fresh in their minds. People forget things. Or rather, it's pushed to the back of their minds, and they often don't remember how good something was if it's 10 years old. I still would have voted Edge, but I think if Hogan and Edge were both heels today the poll would have been a lot closer.

 

[klunderbunker]

Age is definitely a factor here. I grew up in the early 90s and even back then was always renting old wrestling tapes. I saw Hogan's rise to the stars just like everyone else and was a huge hulkamaniac. Then in 1996 the NWO came. Words cannot describe what the feeling was like at this time. It was like someone had just taken your heart away. How could this man, your hero, do this? Nothing else in wrestling mattered. Name one other feud that was going on then. Ask anyone that was watching wrestling then and they couldn't tell you. Hogan's turn was so epic it's never been approached and never will be again. Now people see nothing but Hogan popping up once or twice a year and getting mad pops. Unless you were still a mark watching Nitro every week to see what Hogan would do next, the effect just isn't there. Even the biggest turn in the last 10 years, Austin siding with McMahon at WM 17 doesn't begin to approach Hogan's. Edge is a great heel and probably the best thing in wrestling today, but he's never going to come within a mile of what Hogan pulled off.

 

[Soul Reaper]

I'm gonna say Hogan.The reason his heel turn was so great is because everyone loved him. He was Wrestling. He was always the good guy. He would beat the bad guy. He was a superhero and a role model. So a heel turn was unexpected. To go along with that he was a great heel and was the main reason WCW was beating Raw in ratings.

Edge is a great heel. Arguably the best in Wrestling today. But the thing is he never made a huge impact like Hogan did. He had to sleep with Lita to make him a big star. He just isn't at the same level as Hogan in heelness or faceness. He was never hated like Hogan was. Edge is a jerk and is a damn fine one too. But Edge can't compare to Hollywood Hogan. Maybe one day (most likely not) he'll be at Hollywood Hogan's level. But for now he isn't close.

 

[foundation611]

This topic is a joke and those who have voted for Edge have got to be out of their minds or too young to know anything about wrestling. Period. Edge only became this "great heel" because of what he did to Matt Hardy in real life. So he got his heel status because he really is a douche bag and went "heel" on his best friend then keeps it up now because apparently he really is a heel in real life. Hogan is on another planet than Edge as far as a heel. Edge doesn't even come close. He's good and the best in the business today but that's not really saying too much considering what is out there.
To reaffirm what many have said Hogan was pelted with garbage for like 10 minutes when he went heel. He was the most hated man in wrestling when he did it and for a long time after that. (Vince didn't go full fledged heel til over a year after Hollywood came out on the scene. Vince is the only other heel I can think of who was pretty despised at that time.) Hogan did it and really did start the boom period in wrestling again. He did it as a face and as a heel. That is pretty sick if you think about it. Hogan as a heel was an event of epic proportions. Yeah Edge is good but its not even close. This vote is a complete joke just like Edge being anywhere near Hogan's level at being a heel is a complete joke.

 

[BooCocky]

Hogan. There is no comparison, Hogan went from being the biggest face this company has ever seen, to the biggest heel this company has ever seen. He shocked everyone in the world when he turned his back.
Hogan revolutionized two boom periods, one as a heel and one as a face. Millions and Millions of people tuned in every week to see if Hogan would lose or what would happen to the NWO. Age is a big factor, I'm 21 yrs old and i witnessed the start of Hogans and the birth of Edge. In just two years Hogan made a bigger impact than Edge and Edge has been a heel roughly his entire career

 

[agentmichaelscarn]

I think it depends on what you mean by better. If were talking more successful and making a bigger impact as a heel then no doubt about it it is Hogan since his heel turn triggered the big boom in wrestling and perhaps the greatest storyline of all time. But if were talking better natural heel then I think you can make a case for Edge.

I say that because Edge basically has always played a heel his whole career unlike Hogan. Hogan being a great heel was largely due to how popular he was as a face. Ask yourself how good of a heel would Hogan have been if he never had the great face run which allowed him to turn to generate heat? Edge never had that advantage of drawing heat by turning heel since he basically always has been one. Once people got over the shock of Hogan's heel turn they started cheering him again and pretty much begged for him to turn face which is what he did. Does anybody honestly want Edge to return to a face, does Edge generate cheers like the way Hogan did near the end of his WCW run and in 02 when he came back to WWE? Majority of the fans will always boo Edge where as with Hogan it only lasted 2-3 years before fans started cheering him. So that is why I think Edge plays the better heel role. But again like I said originally it depends on what you mean because Hogan was definitely more successful.

 

[Davi323]

I interpreted it as who was able to gain the most vitriolic hatred spewed at them...I agree that Edge is a natural heel, and I agree that he does it quite well. But, in terms of biggest impact, crowd reaction, etc, nothing can ever compare to Hollywood Hulk Hogan. Hogan needed the massive popularity as a face to make it work, I don't think anyone is denying that...but it was that massive popularity as a face that made it the biggest heel turn in history. The nWo would never have succeeded the way it did if the 3rd member were Lex Luger, Diamond Dallas Page, or La Parka. It may have lasted a while, and we would have been entertained as always by the antics of Hall and Nash...but, the nWo as a major force in wrestling simply would not have been possible without Hulk Hogan as the driving force, the "leader", that everyone could boo. The problem with Hall and Nash is that we actually kind of enjoyed their villainy, just like we enjoy Edge's. Their dastardly deeds were amusing. But, with Hollywood, he was our golden boy, the boy scout, the real American, the guy who could rival Superman in the Truth, Justice and the American Way department. And the bastard betrayed us! It wasn't seen as merely a wrestling angle (although it was) it was an insult to us PERSONALLY. Hogan's heel turn transcended mere wrestling storylines, those of us that grew up on Hogan in the 80s felt betrayed that Terry Bollea could ever turn on us that way. I hate to say it, but, even for those of us who knew wrestling was scripted since we were kids, to paraphrase the words of that famous youtube video, Hogan's heel turn "was still real to us, dammit!"

Without Hogan's heel turn, the nWo doesn't become the force it became, Nitro doesn't overtake RAW in the ratings, and there would have been a lackluster Monday Night war. Hollywood Hogan legitimized the nWo, the nWo legitimized Nitro, Nitro legitimized WCW as an actual equal to the WWF, and not just an also ran promotion. Without Hogan's heel turn, WCW remains a distant second fiddle to the WWF. Hogan made the WWF in the 80s as the ultimate face, and he made WCW into the WWF's equal in the 90s with his heel turn. Edge simply doesn't have that kind of power.

 

[Burrito]

Ok I will admit it Hollywood was entertaining and I tuned into nitro to see him. However Hulk Hogan is crap. Therefore I give edge the nod here. Moreover it's possible that we have yet to see the best he has to offer. That is if Paul Leveque doesn't screw him 4 LIFE. HHH is almost the modern day hollywood in the way that he has all this control. That's the reason I hated Hogan in the first place. Well I guess we finally now who the next Hulk Hogan is. Not that that's a good thing....

 

[agentmichaelscarn]

I interpreted it as who was able to gain the most vitriolic hatred spewed at them...I agree that Edge is a natural heel, and I agree that he does it quite well. But, in terms of biggest impact, crowd reaction, etc, nothing can ever compare to Hollywood Hulk Hogan. Hogan needed the massive popularity as a face to make it work, I don't think anyone is denying that...but it was that massive popularity as a face that made it the biggest heel turn in history. The nWo would never have succeeded the way it did if the 3rd member were Lex Luger, Diamond Dallas Page, or La Parka. It may have lasted a while, and we would have been entertained as always by the antics of Hall and Nash...but, the nWo as a major force in wrestling simply would not have been possible without Hulk Hogan as the driving force, the "leader", that everyone could boo. The problem with Hall and Nash is that we actually kind of enjoyed their villainy, just like we enjoy Edge's. Their dastardly deeds were amusing. But, with Hollywood, he was our golden boy, the boy scout, the real American, the guy who could rival Superman in the Truth, Justice and the American Way department. And the bastard betrayed us! It wasn't seen as merely a wrestling angle (although it was) it was an insult to us PERSONALLY. Hogan's heel turn transcended mere wrestling storylines, those of us that grew up on Hogan in the 80s felt betrayed that Terry Bollea could ever turn on us that way. I hate to say it, but, even for those of us who knew wrestling was scripted since we were kids, to paraphrase the words of that famous youtube video, Hogan's heel turn "was still real to us, dammit!"

Without Hogan's heel turn, the nWo doesn't become the force it became, Nitro doesn't overtake RAW in the ratings, and there would have been a lackluster Monday Night war. Hollywood Hogan legitimized the nWo, the nWo legitimized Nitro, Nitro legitimized WCW as an actual equal to the WWF, and not just an also ran promotion. Without Hogan's heel turn, WCW remains a distant second fiddle to the WWF. Hogan made the WWF in the 80s as the ultimate face, and he made WCW into the WWF's equal in the 90s with his heel turn. Edge simply doesn't have that kind of power.

I agree with all of this and if thats what were basing it on then there's no question Hogan is the better heel. I just was trying to base it off of who would be a better heel by generating natural heat if that was what they started out as. Edge generated hatred and boos from fans without ever making a major heel turn. Yes people bring up the Matt Hardy situation but in general only the IWC knew about that. And they make up a small percentage of fans. So Edge had to find other ways to make people hate him. All hogan really had to do was join a team that had about as much heel heat as you can get. When a guy as popular as Hogan was joins the team that WCW made out to be as bad as The outsiders you're going to generate major heat. Hogan tried to keep generating boos from the crowd but it only lasted so long(a few years) before those quickly turned to cheers. Hogan also had the advantage of feuding with one of the biggest faces of all time in Sting to help him get more heat. Sting was so over as a face almost anybody could generate heat if you went against him, same thing with DDP, Flair and Goldberg when he feuded with them. They were all insanely over. But even despite that Hogan still got a mixed pop from the crowd.

Besides Taker and Foley(Correct me if Im wrong because I might be because Ill admit I missed about a year of Smackdown), Edge never had anybody that was on par with those two as far as being over with the crowd. Hell he was generating heat when he was feuding with Cena and at that time that was when the crowd was booing Cena out of the building and rooting for just about anybody to take the strap from him. So all in all I just feel Edge just makes the better heel, he finds ways for people to hate him. But like I said originally Im not basing this off of who was more of a draw or who had more influence if thats the case then Hogan wins in a landslide Im just trying to base it off of who would the crowd hate more if both were in similar situations and I think Edge would be hated more.