Edge vs. Hollywood

[Skillz]

LMFAO. Edge? A better heel than HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN? What the hell is wrong with you people? (The 50 who voted for Edge). Hollywood Hogan is the best damn heel ever, period. End of discussion. For reasons that have already been stated.

This just goes to show how overrated Edge has become among the IWC. Yes, Edge is one of the very best in the WWE today. And he probably is the best heel in the business right now. But to say he is a better heel than Hogan was in the NWO is complete ignorance to the greatness that is Hollywood Hulk Hogan.

 

[Dmonson]

I will admit i voted edge earlier but i then read on and my opinion may have been swayed. yes i am one of the younger posters here as i am only 19. Ive been watching since i was in 3rd grade which at that point the NWO was already established... and i was also loving it i might add. Its hard for me to determine who is a good heel since their job is to make you hate them, however most of my favorites have been the heels with the exception of how much i like jeff hardy. But ive always been very fond of Orton, Y2j, and Kennedy as well (Heel kennedy, face kennedy is just a heel turn waiting to happen). But point being is when i was a little kid i still liked hogan as a heel. I hated the faces for a long time until DDP finally got my attention and i began to cheer him over hogan. I still liked hogan just not as much as page, and i still cheered for hogan over almost anyone else, including sting, goldberg, etc.
But Edge now, He is really the only heel ive ever seen get an overwhelming pop over the top face in the business, which was cena. I mean yeah almost every heel was getting cheers over cena but it seemed to be kind of half and half. (side note, the cena cheers in the audience always seem to be much higher pitched than the anti cena chants. Is it because the cena fanbase is female, or male ages 12 and under?). But something a heel should never have is a sign in the audience that reads "If cena wins we riot". Giving a heel a real challenge to test their bad guy persona is having them feud with cena. I even recall on one occasion hearing the crowd split between him and Umaga. The only other time i heard a pro umaga crowd was when he faced Santino at Vengeance for the IC title again.
But it is 2 different Eras. Edge is a great heel for this era, but in the attitude he would pretty much be a face as previously pointed out. Hogan's heel turn did wonders for the industry as it drew many fans back. But they came back with a "WTF i have to see this" kind of attitude. If Hollywood Hogan was around now i think he would still get cheered over the likes of Cena.
But after some long hard thinking im going to have to go back on my vote and go with Hogan. Simply because he defined the term bad guy in the 2nd half of the 90s. Edge did get alot of heat from the Matt/Lita thing but it wasnt because of his character it was because the of a real life situation, whether it was put across as a storyline or not, He would have had heat for it. Edge's feud with Taker did alot for him when he banished him at one night stand, even though it was an obvious work, it still did alot for him. But yeah comparing him to Hogan is a bit absurd and i am ashamed i voted that way earlier, it was a quick decision and I am trying to make up for it here.
Also another side note, I think orton is a better heel than edge.

 

[Skullz Crack'Em]

I cannot believe Edge is decimating Hogan in the poll. Yes, Edge is a great heel no doubt, but think about this: Hogan was the most loved superstar ever in the 80's and early 90's, but when he joined the nWo and became heel, he was booed instantly, how was that possible? I highly doubt Shawn Michaels or the Undertaker would be able to pull that off, they are super over with the fans and will never turn heel even if they tried IMO. Hogan pulled it off because he was The Best Heel Ever, if there was a record for turning the most fans against a wrestler, it would go to Hogan, he went from having the most fans out of any wrestler ever, to having them all hate his guts at the snap of a finger. You may not like Hogan, but give the guy credit where credit is due.

 

[Slyfox696]

But Edge now, He is really the only heel ive ever seen get an overwhelming pop over the top face in the business, which was cena.

You screwed up here.

This was a PRIME opportunity to notice Edge's heel work, as he was able to get himself booed and Cena overwhelmingly cheered for most of their feud, something that neither Jericho nor Angle was good at doing.

(side note, the cena cheers in the audience always seem to be much higher pitched than the anti cena chants. Is it because the cena fanbase is female, or male ages 12 and under?)

No, it's because when you scream at the top of your lungs, it's a high pitch, and when you boo it's a lower pitch. Go ahead, try it yourself. When you yell as loud as you can, it's at a much higher pitch than normal, and when you boo it's at a much lower pitch than normal.

But it is 2 different Eras. Edge is a great heel for this era

No, he's just one of the few that can get fans to boo him.

Edge is not a "great" heel by any means. Maybe the best today, but that isn't saying much.

Hogan's heel turn did wonders for the industry as it drew many fans back. But they came back with a "WTF i have to see this" kind of attitude. If Hollywood Hogan was around now i think he would still get cheered over the likes of Cena.

Yes, and thew threw garbage in the ring at him because he pissed them off and made them hate him.

By the way, you're in the wrong place to discuss John Cena. Take it to the Cena thread. I'll be more than happy to discuss Cena with you.

But after some long hard thinking im going to have to go back on my vote and go with Hogan. Simply because he defined the term bad guy in the 2nd half of the 90s.

Hulk Hogan was the last of the great heels.

But yeah comparing him to Hogan is a bit absurd

Yes it is.

and i am ashamed i voted that way earlier

You should be.

Also another side note, I think orton is a better heel than edge.

I agree.

 

[THE Madcap]

This debate is just pure ridiculous but I've found myself drawn in....

Edge as top heel

Back in the attitude era, people hated the heels Edge and Christian, they played their roles well, goofball, cowardly heels who were incredibly successful. After this, I don't remember anything significantly heel like Edge did until about 2003, at a UK house show, when he was face, wrestling Orton, the UK fans decided to cheer Orton and boo Edge. Edge then in turn, cut a heel promo against the UK fans, calling out women ugly and saying we have bad teeth etc... Which got me thinking, Edge would make a good heel. WWE return to US and Edge is face again. Fast forward to 2005, Edge is heel, somehow, I've forgotten what actually occured. Top heel moments, the Matt Hardy feud, cashing in MITB on a broken and beaten Cena (which got a massive pop I recall) and later in 2006, calling out Foley and later Funk & Dreamer.

Fast forward to 2007... Rated RKO era, some stuff with Cena or HBK or HHH or something...

2008... Feuds with Batista, Taker, a fling with Vickie Guerrero.

Yes, Edge is probably the top heel in the business right now.

Hogan as the top heel

Hogan IS and forever WAS wrestling in the 80's and 90's. He was everywhere, films, TV programmes, books, cartoons, action figures, plush toys, the lot. EVERYONE on the planet with a TV knows who he is, even these days when he hasn't wrestled in years, Hogan is like a cult figure.

For years and years Hogan was the top face in wrestling, he could've stayed this way until he retired, there was no real need to turn him heel. At the time of the nWo, Hall and Nash were booked as a legitimate threat to the company. At their 1st ppv match in WCW, a 6 man tag, they promised a 3rd man that would lead them, it would appear that he would never come. During the match Luger, Savage and Sting were down (as I recall it) and Hogan made his return, in a blind haze of Hulkamania, EVERYONE thought he was here to save the day, he chased off Hall and Nash and in 1 of the biggest moments of wrestling histor, dropped the legdrop to Savage, did it again and then cut the greatest heel promo of all time, whilst being attacked by all sorts of litter, one fan even attempted to jump the barrier, kids were crying, men were shouting profanities, Hulk Hogan had stuck both his middle fingers up, moonied, shat on the graves of your dead grandparents etc you get my point. This was the biggest heel turn EVER.

As mentioned before, you genuinely believed the WCW was being taken over, the WCW title had been branded the nWo title, the nWo had their own sements in the programming etc. The storyline had such a sense of realism, it was as if they were taking oer your thoughts as you eventually sided with them yourself. I don't think I know a wrestling fan without an nWo tee.

Compare all of that with Edge's biggest heel moment, making out with Vicki Guerrero? The live sex display ft. a Lita nip slip and a few 1 man conchairtos, it is obvious that...

HOGAN IS THE BETTER HEEL

 

[Prince Punk]

here is something that is being forgotten Edge is THE heel of the WWE (though i think Jericho is starting to catch him) and Edge is only in his 30's I believe... Hogan WAS the top face for EVER when he turned Heel in WCW he was in his 50's by then and he was a household name he was everywhere. He had more exposure to run with and the heel turn was done perfectly. Here's the thing though Edge is still young I would want to see this pole in another 20 years or so but I'd still give it to Edge.. The man is a great heel and the Matt/Lita thing really launched that for him. One minute he is seducing a widow the next he is going insane looking to take everyone down. He has a heel look and a heel personality. Hogan only got heat by turning and being a political prick in front of the cameras. Hollywood came to the WWE and was cheered while feuding with the rock. I mean Seriously when Edge got his ass handed to him on raw by Batista and Punk came running down to cash in The fans went crazy because they were getting to see edge lose his title...

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

here is something that is being forgotten Edge is THE heel of the WWE (though i think Jericho is starting to catch him)

Meanwhile, Vickie, JBL, and Orton get more boos than him.

and Edge is only in his 30's I believe... Hogan WAS the top face for EVER when he turned Heel in WCW he was in his 50's by then and he was a household name he was everywhere. He had more exposure to run with and the heel turn was done perfectly.

a) Hogan was 43
b) When people are throwing their concessions at you...age doesn't really matter.
c) Yes, it was done perfectly.

Here's the thing though Edge is still young I would want to see this pole in another 20 years or so but I'd still give it to Edge.. The man is a great heel and the Matt/Lita thing really launched that for him. One minute he is seducing a widow the next he is going insane looking to take everyone down. He has a heel look and a heel personality.

In 20 years, Hogan would dominate Edge. He should be dominating him now. This poll is the most outlandish thing I have ever seen. No one really cared about Matt Hardy except for teenage girls who would scream when he took his fishnet shirt off...and the only people who cared about Lita were sex-driven males. Well, the teenage girls make up a minority of the WWE audience, and Lita did not decrease in attractiveness when she aligned with Edge. Thus, not too many people were really thrown into a ruckus over Edge/Lita/Matt. No one surely threw friggin trash at him.

I mean seriously...DDP in spring of '99 was a better heel than Edge is right now. And NO ONE compares DDP to Hogan. Why? Because it is ENTIRELY UNREASONABLE.

Hogan only got heat by turning and being a political prick in front of the cameras.

Wrong. He got heat because he was everyone's hero and then turned his back on them.


EDIT: Didn't carefully read that...but noticed that you said "Hogan only got heat by turning." How else would you like him to get his heat?

Hollywood came to the WWE and was cheered while feuding with the rock.

At that point Hogan, was a legend and had already turned back to face Hogan, so the hatred had fizzled. Furthermore, people weren't too high on The Rock at the time.

I mean Seriously when Edge got his ass handed to him on raw by Batista and Punk came running down to cash in The fans went crazy because they were getting to see edge lose his title...

People were going crazy because it was completely unexpected. Sure, they didn't want Edge to have the belt, but people weren't starting friggin riots when he lost the belt (like they did when Goldberg beat Hogan).


All of these Edge arguments are a complete stretch.

 

[Slyfox696]

Here's the thing though Edge is still young I would want to see this pole in another 20 years or so but I'd still give it to Edge..

So, Edge needs 20 years of heel work to come close to what Hogan did in 2?

Doesn't that kind of prove that Hogan is the far superior heel?

The man is a great heel

No, he's a decent heel that gets decent reception and has decent drawing power.

One minute he is seducing a widow the next he is going insane looking to take everyone down.

*yawn*

One minute Hogan is on the mic, and the next minute he's being pelted with soda cups, hot dog wrappers, and whatever else fans can get their hands on.

He has a heel look and a heel personality.

What's a "heel look"? And, if he has one and Hogan doesn't, would that not only add to the fact that Hogan is the better heel for overcoming that obstacle?

Hogan only got heat by turning and being a political prick in front of the cameras.

LOL

Hogan got heat by making fans hate him. He was obnoxious, rude, egotistical, self-absorbed...and just better than everyone else. If there is one thing human beings don't like it's someone who is better than them and flaunts it in their face.

And Edge doesn't come close to doing that as well as Hogan did.

Hollywood came to the WWE and was cheered while feuding with the rock.

Yes, and I'm sure that was completely unplanned too...

I guess it was just a coincidence that the NWO came out and beat up Hogan giving Rock a chance for the save, right?

I mean Seriously when Edge got his ass handed to him on raw by Batista and Punk came running down to cash in The fans went crazy because they were getting to see edge lose his title...

Good point.

Now watch this video and realize how small Punk/Edge's pop was in comparison.

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[THE Madcap]

here is something that is being forgotten Edge is THE heel of the WWE (though i think Jericho is starting to catch him)

As already mentioned, Vickie Guerrero, JBL, Adamle and Orton get better heel reactions, although I do acknowledge how great a heel Edge is.

and Edge is only in his 30's I believe... Hogan WAS the top face for EVER when he turned Heel in WCW he was in his 50's by then and he was a household name he was everywhere.

Edge won't be wrestling up until his 50s because he won't have that same appeal as Hogan. Outside of wrestling, Edge just isn't a big deal. I'm sorry.

He had more exposure to run with and the heel turn was done perfectly.

Yes. Hogan's heel turn ws done perfectly. Therefore he is a greater heel than Edge. What exactly was the defining moment of Edge's heel turn?

I would want to see this pole in another 20 years or so but I'd still give it to Edge..

Which pole? This one?

The man is a great heel and the Matt/Lita thing really launched that for him.

Great, yes. But insignificant to Hogan's defining heel moments

Hogan only got heat by turning and being a political prick in front of the cameras.

No way. No way in hell. Sorry this poorly made point just doesn't cut it. Fans weren't launching rubbish and jumping barriers to confront him because of politics, if that was the case he wouldve been ambushed on his way to the ring. Let us just remember here, that the internet was in no way a factor in wrestling back then, so noone wouldve known of the politics. Try harder my friend.

 

[game3524]

lol at Edge being better then Hogan. Hogan's heel turn might be the most defining moment in wrestling history. He was the ultimate babyface and when he turned his back on the fans, he became the mosted hated man of all-time. Edge is a pretty good heel, but like the others have said he might not be better then Orton, Admale, Vickie, or evening JBL. In twenty years from now, Edge heel run will not be a memorable as Hogan, hell it might not evening be as memorable as Triple H's prime heel run in 99-01. He is good heel and that is about it.

 

[My$terio_Fan]

Spawn-is-Gawd, I was not responding to your post, but the one before that. I can't really argue with you since I was agreeing the Hogan is the better heel, so thanks for agreeing with me, i guess. Anyways its funny how some people are voting for Edge either because they like him more(except your supposed to hate heels) or because they missed the 90's and only saw Hollywood Hogan in the WWE where he was mostly a face.

 

[Greenlight13]

I'd say Hogan because he changed from the most beloved wrestler in the world to the most hated, that kind of polarization is impressive in any field, it'd be like finding a legitimate arguement for Michael Jordan being bad at basketball, this is THE Hulk Hogan being booed out of every building he entered, that took some doing. People despised him.

People don't hate Edge, they enjoy his work, they just boo him because it's the done thing. It's hard to compare because nowadays we live in a world of analysis, we state how good a promo was how good of a heel or face move something is. We evaluate Edge's actions and state he is good. When Hogan was a heel we just turned on the tv and said i like or dislike that wrestler's attitude/character.

Edge is probably better at it than Hogan would be in this day and age, but back in the day, Hogan was THE most hated wrestler around.

 

[Davi323]

It is absolutely embarrassing that Edge is winning this poll by a 2-1 margin. Either folks voting for Edge are too young to remember Hogan's career, and why his heel turn was significant, or they all suffered blunt force trauma to their heads, and lost their long term memories. (just kidding) Seriously, this poll should be 2-1 the other way. Its interesting though, while Edge currently has a 71-35 lead in the poll, the majority of people actually posting messages are behind Hogan. Not that all Edge fans aren't posting, because obviously, some of you have been...but, the majority of the posts have been in favor of Hogan. Nobody is saying Edge is the best heel ever, yet, we have people saying Hollywood Hogan was the best heel ever. If Edge deserves the 2-1 voting advantage, where are the proclamations that Edge is the greatest heel of all time?

 

[Dead Kennedy]

Now, I based my opinion on the actual heel work rather than the turn...if you think about it seriously, Edge has done a lot more as a heel than Hogan did. Hogan's turn was one of a kind, sure, but after that it sorta went bad, at least for me. He just seemed like the same old bumbling guy who no-sold and somehow became the most popular wrestler ever trying to act like a heel.

If you say you do know something about actual heel work, you know as well as I do that Edge is the greater heel. It's been ages since I saw WCW though...and I can't really remember now, but who out of Edge and Hogan got the most heat at the best period of their heel run? (I guess it's sort of unfair as Edge has not finished his yet and hopefully never will - he still has time to amass loads more of the heat) That would be a pretty deciding factor. Not that I'm gonna change my opinion or anything, but just to have it there, you know.

 

[twisterwrw929]

I think that the only reason Hogan was such a successful heel was due to who he was in the past. This guy was the most loved wrestler in the world for about 10 years or so prior to his heel turn. The biggest good guy in wrestling, the top guy in the WWE for his entire time there, and once he jumped to WCW, was still one of the top if not the top guy their too. His whole career he had been this mega face, that's what people always knew him as and never could have imagined him any differently, and once he finally turned to a bad guy, people did hate him because they were all behind him then he finally turned his back on them. Now I'm not saying that I don't think Hogan didn't do a good job as a heel, I just think that the reason his heel run was so successful was due to his past and not so much his actual performance. His turn was bigger then any turn Edge could ever have or even dream of having, but like I said it was only because of the way people viewed him, and most never thought they could see him as a bad guy.

But on actual performance during their times as heels, I believe Edge is a better heel. I find him more entertaining than Hogan, and I think what Edge does and the way he handles his character makes him seem like a bigger bad guy, and then that makes him more hated by the people. I also think that Edge is so good at what he does that he can remain a heel for almost the rest of his career and he would never get stale, but I think if Hogan was a heel for most of his career or for a really long period of time, he wouldn't be as exciting and that his act would get old

 

[DC24]

Put it like this at Bash at the Beach 96 when Hogan turned heel look at ring after it was filled with bottles and cups people were pissed off they threw shit for the whole 10 minute spot after; there will never be heel who is able to do that Edge is good but he never I mean never get that type of reaction there probaly won't ever be heel to that either Hogan is the greatest face wrestler ever and to turn heel like that I remember going to bed in shock of what I just seen I destroyed everything Hogan I had. lets be honest on the Internet when they gave names of who might be Ousiders 3rd and Hogan was listed who didn't look past his name and when he came who didn't oh shit please don't do what UI think he's about to do.

 

[FromTheSouth]

One point: Hogan got a lot of face pops as a heel.

But, he was still the better heel. If you are so good at wehat you are doing that wrestling changes dramatically, you are the better heel. Hohan's turn changed ratings, demographics, production, writing, investing, and wrestling in general. Edge is a very good heel, who is legit over as a heel and identified as a heel. I love watching his promos, you expect him to cheat. But Hogan ran roughshod over the whole industry and rewrote the rules. Edge follows the rules on how to be a cool, kinda psycho, heel, and follows them well, but he isn't revolutionary or reinventing the game.

ETA: Man, that video made me rememebr how amazing that moment was. What are the people voting for Edge thinking? The CM Punk title change couldn't have had that much unanimous support for the new champ if it was at Thanksgiving Dinner in the Punk house.

 

[Skillz]

Now, I based my opinion on the actual heel work rather than the turn...if you think about it seriously, Edge has done a lot more as a heel than Hogan did. Hogan's turn was one of a kind, sure, but after that it sorta went bad, at least for me. He just seemed like the same old bumbling guy who no-sold and somehow became the most popular wrestler ever trying to act like a heel.

Yeah, you're right. Edge has done a lot more as a heel than Hogan. Edge was the one who led the business through it's next big boom period. Edge was the one who almost sent the other company out of business. Edge was the one who drew millions of old fans to come back to watch wrestling again, and he was the one who drew millions of new fans to start watching wrestling.

Oh wait, did I say Edge did those things? I actually meant to say HOGAN did those things.

If you say you do know something about actual heel work, you know as well as I do that Edge is the greater heel. It's been ages since I saw WCW though...and I can't really remember now, but who out of Edge and Hogan got the most heat at the best period of their heel run? (I guess it's sort of unfair as Edge has not finished his yet and hopefully never will - he still has time to amass loads more of the heat) That would be a pretty deciding factor. Not that I'm gonna change my opinion or anything, but just to have it there, you know.

You talk about knowing what actual heel work is, yet you fail to actually explain what it is, or give any examples of how Edge's heel work is better than Hogan's. The heat Hogan got while he was a heel was on a completely next level. Edge simply doesn't compare.


The reason why Edge is winning this poll is because of all the mindless Edge marks on these forums. There's probably a load of 12-18 year old "Edgeheads" who come on here. They saw that their favourite wrestler is in a poll, so they voted for him, even though they don't have the first clue about what a true great heel is.

 

[Slyfox696]

if you think about it seriously, Edge has done a lot more as a heel than Hogan did.

Really? Enlighten us as to how.

Because I haven't seen Edge revolutionize the business, nor start a boom period. I haven't seen him pelted with cups, and I haven't seen him make a single person a superstar.

What exactly has Edge done a lot more of?

He just seemed like the same old bumbling guy who no-sold and somehow became the most popular wrestler ever trying to act like a heel.

Dude, the age in your profile says you're 19 years old. IF that is true, you were seven years old at the time. What the fuck would you know about it?

If you say you do know something about actual heel work, you know as well as I do that Edge is the greater heel.

Oh really?

A person who doesn't get anyone over and is only over himself because he screwed over his (former) best friend is better than someone who literally enraged fans so much they threw garbage at him and led a wrestling boom period?

How in the world is Edge the greater heel? And yeah, I do consider myself to know something about "actual heel work".

but who out of Edge and Hogan got the most heat at the best period of their heel run?

This is a joke right?

It's not even close. Hogan. For over two years he got more heat than Edge does now.

I think that the only reason Hogan was such a successful heel was due to who he was in the past.

Maybe partly.

But not really. He was over because he knew how to make people hate him. The fact he used his past success to do that is completely arbitrary.

But on actual performance during their times as heels, I believe Edge is a better heel. I find him more entertaining than Hogan,

You just contradicted yourself.

You shouldn't find heels to be entertaining. You should find them despicable, boring, and loathing. You should find them to be so bad you want the good guy to win.

If you find Edge entertaining, then there is probably some part of you that wants to see him win, against different opponents. That's not a good heel.

On the flip side, there was NO ONE that fans wanted to see Hogan do well against during his run.

then that makes him more hated by the people.

Do you people live in a vacuum? More hated than Hogan?

Hell, Hogan was so good at being a heel, wrestling fans have grown up and STILL call him all sorts of bad names. THAT'S a damn good heel.

One point: Hogan got a lot of face pops as a heel.

Not as many as you think you remember. Many times those nWo pops came for Hall and Nash, not Hogan. I used to think the same thing, but when you go back and watch, generally Hogan is the one getting booed and Hall/Nash get cheered.

 

[IrishCanadian25]

This thread is so ass-backwards, it laughable.

70 people have voted for Edge. Of those 70, I wonder how many of them are long time, knowledgable wrestling fans and how many of them are kids who only know Edge's run as a top heel and Hogan's controversial period.

This isn't even a contest, folks, and while SlyFox will continue to fight the good fight, this entire thread is a waste of Sly's debating abilities.

Understand this - Edge is not in Hogan's League. Never has been, never will be. Edge isn't in Hogan's league as a heel. Edge isn't in Hogan's league as a face. It isn't even close.

When Hogan made his turn in 1996, the entire wrestling industry was turned upside down. I can only imaging Vince McMahon sitting in his office in Stamford, head in hands, saying to Briscoe and Patterson "Wow, now what do we do?" WCW took SUCH a risk, rolled the dice so hard there. They risked their company and they risked their business turning the greatest babyface draw in wrestling history into a heel. Fans could have easily been disgusted by the entire ordeal and walked away.

Instead, the risk paid off 400 times over and again. The nWo angle became the hottest angle in history, and WCW - a company that used to retape entrances of wrestlers because the fans cheered or booed the wrong guy - was overtaking WWE. Never thought I'd see the day, but here we were.

When Edge turned heel, it seemed natural, but it did not have NEARLY the effect that Hogan's turn did.

Also, many babyfaces in the mid-90's WCW were made major babyfaces BECAUSE they played a heel opposite Hogan. Goldberg. Luger. Sting.

On the other hand, much of Edge's heel heat came as a result of his feud with John Cena, his real life issues with Matt Hardy, etc.

I'd rather see a top heel poll with Hogan facing off against someone better than Edge. Edge hasn't put his time in, and has had nowhere near Hogan's influence.

 

[kiriyama]

EDGE is the bigger heel IMHO. Hogan's heel heat was cheap to me. Here you have EDGE who has been heel the MAJORITY of his career Vs. Hogan who was face the ENTIRETY of his career then turned heel. Hogan's heat was built upon him being the fan favorite for his whole career then backstabbing the fans by becoming heel. EDGE was heel for the entirety of his career, with NO significant face run whatsoever. EDGE beats Hogan simple because he gets huge heat without having a face background to build upon. Come on people, this seriously isn't a contest... EDGE IS the better heel. And the poll shows it.

 

[IrishCanadian25]

EDGE is the bigger heel IMHO. Hogan's heel heat was cheap to me. Here you have EDGE who has been heel the MAJORITY of his career Vs. Hogan who was face the ENTIRETY of his career then turned heel. Hogan's heat was built upon him being the fan favorite for his whole career then backstabbing the fans by becoming heel. EDGE was heel for the entirety of his career, with NO significant face run whatsoever. EDGE beats Hogan simple because he gets huge heat without having a face background to build upon. Come on people, this seriously isn't a contest... EDGE IS the better heel. And the poll shows it.

Please tell me you aren't taking that poll seriously.

That poll is made up of kids who have been watching wrestling for less than 10 years and feel Hogan is the devil for whatever reason.

And your argument has more holes than a siv. It's not a matter, first of all, of who's been the heel longer or who's been the heel for a greater percentage of their careers, it's a matter of who's had greater influence. That takes Edge out of this 100%.

You claim that Hogan's heat was cheap because he "made a career as a face and then backstabbed the fans to become heel" is asinine. OF COURSE THAT'S HOW HE GOT HIS HEAT!!! And it worked! What was wrong with that? People felt betrayed by their hero, that caused so much raw emotion!

If ANYTHING, Edge's heat was cheap, because he had to use a real-life situation with him being a douchebag and tapping Lita (not that I can blame him) and stabbing his friend Matt Hardy in the back! Otherwise, he might not be over as a champ today! Hogan didn't need real life heat to be a top heel, because he was so good at creating and manufacturing it as a character.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

EDGE is the bigger heel IMHO. Hogan's heel heat was cheap to me. Here you have EDGE who has been heel the MAJORITY of his career Vs. Hogan who was face the ENTIRETY of his career then turned heel. Hogan's heat was built upon him being the fan favorite for his whole career then backstabbing the fans by becoming heel. EDGE was heel for the entirety of his career, with NO significant face run whatsoever. EDGE beats Hogan simple because he gets huge heat without having a face background to build upon. Come on people, this seriously isn't a contest... EDGE IS the better heel. And the poll shows it.

um.....are you fucking serious??? Edge was a face for the majority of his first year, and was a face for over a year when he had the rob zombie music as his theme. I cant remember the exact amounts of times, and im sure someone who has better grasp of those time periods and their exact legnths will tell you. Edge has primarily been face or a tweener his entire career besides this last stretch. Thats an absurdly incorrect thing you said.

And Edge gets heat becuase of who he has been associated with, not becuase of great heel work. He got heat becuase he fucked someones girl friend in real life, not becuase of great heel work. He gets heat becuase of running around with annoying ass Vickie Guerrero. And as has been said, Edge has never set off a near riot. Watch Unforgiven 2006, TLC match against John Cena. WHEW HUUUGE HEEL HEAT THERE RIGHT??

being pelted with garbage > getting more face pop than booing

 

[ssvegita77]

When I first read this question I thought it was a waste of time to reply to it. However the more I thought about it the more I liked it.

I'm voting for Hogan. Because I actually really hate him. I hate the politics, the in ring work, the legacy, the reality show, the way he considers himself a real wrestler when he's always been a premadonna joke.

I used to be a bigger Edge fan before the whole Matt Hardy/Lita/Edge fiasco. It really left me with a bad taste in my mouth that Edge would do such a thing to his good buddy (Instant Heel Heat). I'm still bitter about that, but in all honesty Edge is a guy whose earned his spot. He's a great character and wrestler and he loves the business and has paid his dues (personal choices and mistakes aside).

Hogan earned squat. He's always thought he was bigger than the biz and he's not. The NWO was a smart move for the first year and a half and then it went to shit. Hogan didn't make the NWO it remade him. He rode Hall & Nash's coat tails and still only really wrestled the same guys he was going up against for the past 15 years. New Gimmick...same bad in ring worker, same lame matches, same political premadonna.
Hogan's the better bad guy because he's a prick through and through. Edge made one stupid mistake and has been paying for it and rewarded by it ever since.

 

[twisterwrw929]

You shouldn't find heels to be entertaining. You should find them despicable, boring, and loathing. You should find them to be so bad you want the good guy to win.

I agree with the part that you should loathe them, and you should want to see them lose. But why would I want anyone, even if it is a bad guy to be boring? Should people like heels if they're doing a good job, no, but that doesn't mean that you can't find them entertaining. Edge does stuff that makes a lot of people hate him and want to see him lose, but at the same time that stuff adds to storylines and matches and it makes it all more exciting