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Edge vs. Hollywood

Who is(was) a better heel?

  • Edge

  • "Hollywood' Hulk Hogan


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The other day my mind wandered into the realm of wrestling and I wondered, "Who is(was) the better heel? Hogan or Edge?" I'm not talking about who is the best wrestler, or who had a greater influence on wrestlings past or future. Who is the better heel out of the two?

The argument for Edge is simple. He has been either the best at the art or near the top since 2004.Countless feuds with top faces , countless crazy ass looks make him look like believable insane heel. Even Edge himself has said he would hate the "Edge" character. Whenever I think of a moment that defines his career as a heel I think of New Year's Revolution 2006. A great moment for him and wrestling, unpredictability at it's finest. Also his performace in multiple battle royal matches where he would "injure" something or just hide for 22 minutes of a 25 minute match.Classic.

But In my humble opinion, I cast my vote for Hollywood.There is bias in this, because this was a time right before I had the Internet. I belived the "nwo" was really taking over WCW. I ACTUALLY hated the man for what he did to all the "Hulkamanics", Including myself. I must have in 7th grade,old enough to realize that wrestling was scripted.But for some reason I thought it was real! He had such charisma as a heel.I hated the fact that he only wrestled PPV"S. I hated the fact that he would ALWAYS find a way to win.I hated that he would lead in beatings of Savage, Luger, Giant,..... everyone here knows(I hope) the mark NWO branded on WCW(good or even bad towards the end.....NWO 2000? Way worse then NWweO).

Ok I kinda wandered off at the end, but the question is there for the rest of you!
 
Edge, no doubt in hell. (or is that heel?) Hollywood Hogan was a nice re-invention of Hulk Hogan, but he just can't compare with the greatest heel in the business today. It's always been hard to take Hogan seriously, and not much changed with Hollywood Hogan. Once Edge started to become the "Rated-R Superstar", he completely changed my view of him - I thought he'd make a solid mid-carder or upper mid-carder, but damn me if he didn't show himself to be worthy of the main event.

Edge's heel work is so great, it dwarfs anything Hollywood Hogan did. Sorry, but there it is.
 
I voted for Edge, but when I really think about it, Hollywood Hogan was a better heel, because he looked like someone you actually wanted to beat up.

I never took Hollywood Hogan seriously, I dunno why, but he just always looked stupid. The way he acted/wrestled,...he was a joke and a half. He didnt look intimidating, and if he was without his buddies from the nWo, he wasnt intimidating.
He ran around wCw thinkin he was 'the shit', when in reality all he did was a few eye-pokes, back-rakes, and then his Leg Drop, and he'd ALWAYS win. His character was a politicing douchebag.

But Edge can talk his shit, and could legitimately kick someones ass. His character is someone who talks shit, and tries to avoid conflict (runs away from fights). But when he's backed into a corner, he'll fuck someone up.
He puts on great matches, and his intensity adds to his fueds, making them so much
better.

To sum it all up, Edge's character is someone you love-to-hate. A guy you 'boo' because of the things he does on TV, but by the end of the show, you feel like you saw a good show, like you got your moneys worth.
But Hollywood Hogan's character is someone you hate, simply because he sucks, and he did whatever he wanted, and didnt seem to care about giving the fans a good show, as long as he gets his paycheck.
 
They both heels in their own way.

Hogan was the complete bastard who upset all the kiddies by joining the Nwo.

Edge however is the kind of bloke who would come round your house, shag your girlfriend, piss on your floor, then shag your mum and sister at the same time. He is a good heel because he got caught out, now he plays the smarmy ******** character that we all know he is!
 
I know I am in the minority here, but, I am gonna go with Hollywood Hulk Hogan. The reasoning is really quite simple. Hulk Hogan was the biggest face wrestler in the entire history of wrestling. When it came to good guys, there never was, and never will be anyone that was as insanely popular as Hulk Hogan was. To take the biggest good guy in pro wrestling history, and to turn him into one of the most hated is an incredible challenge. But, Terry Bollea believed in the idea to reinvent himself, and what happened was the creation of a great villain. Hollywood Hogan became almost as big a heel as Hulk Hogan was a face. The nWo would never have lasted without someone like Hogan as its leader, and WCW never would have been able to take the lead in the Monday night wars without the nWo. Edge is a great villain, and plays the part really well. But, Edge's villainy is pretty standard stuff, he is just mimicking what Ric Flair was doing 25 years ago. Hollywood Hogan, on the other hand, was something completely new. It just hurts more when a childhood idol is revealed to be a villain, than someone who has always been that way. It is my opinion that the transformation of "the Immortal" Hulk Hogan into "Hollywood" Hogan was the greatest heel turn in the history of the business. Not only was Hogan capable of pulling it off, but, the results of it turned the nWo into huge advertising revenue, and gave Nitro an 84 week ratings streak over the WWF. Not only had someone dared to compete with Vince McMahon, but, because of the success of Hollywood and the nWo, Eric Bischoff was actually winning. I am not a WCW apologist, never have been, never will be. I am very loyal to the WWF/E, but, WCW got Hollywood Hulk Hogan absolutely right. It is perhaps Bischoff's single greatest achievement in WCW. Edge is awesome as a bad guy, but, he can't top that.
 
Hollywood Hogan.

The two aren't even comparable because Edge isn't even close to being as over as Hogan was. Hogan was also a great heel because he was such a great face for so long. People hated Hogan because they used to love him. Let's say that you love your wife more than anything in the world. Then, she just happens to cheat on you with your mortal enemy. You don't just start feeling indifferent toward her....you straight up hate her guts. That's the way it was with Hogan.

Edge never got fully over until he turned heel...very similar to Triple H. But people like Edge in the heel role. But not too many people straight up LOATHE the dude.
 
Does that mean Edge is the skank here, using your wife analogy? lol You know you can't trust Edge...As odd as your analogy sounds, it makes sense to me. With Hogan there was an overwhelming sense of betrayal, like a spouse cheating, with Edge, its kind of like, well, duh, of course he sleeps around. You knew that when you got married...
 
Does that mean Edge is the skank here, using your wife analogy? lol You know you can't trust Edge...As odd as your analogy sounds, it makes sense to me. With Hogan there was an overwhelming sense of betrayal, like a spouse cheating, with Edge, its kind of like, well, duh, of course he sleeps around. You knew that when you got married...

There's nothing odd about the analogy. The fact that Hogan is getting killed in this poll is the thing that is odd. Remember the night that Hogan turned? I wasn't watching wrestling yet...so I don't. But I sure have seen the clip a billion times. Kids were crying...people were LAUNCHING garbage into the freaking ring. HOW can someone be a better heel than that? Short of being physically harmed by a spectator, I don't think that is possible.

Sure, Hogan eventually became a "cool" heel, but nobody hates Edge the way people hated Hogan. It's not even a contest. Crap, I sound like Sly, here.
 
The thing with Hogan was if you remeber he was headed to being boooed out of every WCW arena in the late spring of 96. Hogan's heel run was based of 4 feuds; Piper, Lugar, Flair, and Sting. Excluding Piper, Hogan's feuds were more about being the closest thing to WCW vs WWF at the time, which was the underlining basis for the nWo. Like people have said Hogan's hatred was based off the love people had for Hogan. Here's the difference, Edge never had that love of the fans and is still probably wrestling's # 1 in ANY company right now and for the up-coming future. For me what puts this totaly in Edge's favor is, imagine Edge now, during the attitude era. A WWE - PG themed Edge is getting compared to an attitude era Hogan. Edge now in 98-2000 would smoke any heel EVER.
 
I would go with Edge just for the simple reason that Hogan's Heelness was a reliance on other wrestlers/managers/owners whomever to do his dirty work for him. Granted Edge was doing that over the past year, he does show that he is more of the complete heel. Edge, just being himself, can make you hate him. Hogan needed to turn against the fans and wcw itself in order to be seen as a true heel. But even amongst that fans still held out hope that Hogan would one day see the light. With Edge, fans just know that Edge is a heel through and through. Most people don't remember the days when Edge was teaming with Hogan or holding the mid-card titles. When people think of Edge, they immediately think of his heel ways over the past 4 years. If told to think of anything else, they turn to his classic TLC matches, but again these took place when he was a heel along with Christian. Edge is just the complete heel, someone who fans just want to see fail. Hogan, while good as a heel in the short time he was, just doesn't hold a candle to Edge.
 
If Edge was the better heel than Hogan then Vickie Gurerro is bigger than both. Edge is a great heel(probably the best in the WWE right now). The only thing is alot of people dont actually hate Edge. He seems to be the IWC favorite and he does not get the heat Vickie or Hogan did. Vickie was get boo'd so loud that u couldn't hear her speak. Edge on the on the other hand wasn't getting that much heat. Hogan was hated and got alot of heat. Edge is a great heel but not better than Hogan, IMO.
 
this is a hard one, i went for edge in the end, since to me hogan wasnt the real mastermind behind the NWO, it was eric bishoff, any factions edge has been in = edge is the mastermind, which means something to me, hogan was more of bishoff's pawn while edge is a puppeter, and everyone else is his puppet.
 
Edge really is one of the WWE's best heel's but the only problem I have will this poll is that some people are voting for Edge because they like him more than Hogan. Yet the point of being a heel is to be hated and not liked. So if people really like Edge, then how does that make him a good heel? Just IMO though...
 
I can't believe I'm defending Hogan...but here goes:

The thing with Hogan was if you remeber he was headed to being boooed out of every WCW arena in the late spring of 96.

Partially true. He wasn't getting the pops that he was getting in the 80s, but he was still getting quite a bit of cheers. The mix was no bigger than the kind of pops/heat mix that Cena gets today. But Hogan ad the same gimmick for like 15 years...so that's to be expected.


Hogan's heel run was based of 4 feuds; Piper, Lugar, Flair, and Sting.

And Page...Savage...The Giant...Flair again...

Excluding Piper, Hogan's feuds were more about being the closest thing to WCW vs WWF at the time, which was the underlining basis for the nWo.

What? This has absolutely nothing to do with the argument.

Like people have said Hogan's hatred was based off the love people had for Hogan. Here's the difference, Edge never had that love of the fans and is still probably wrestling's # 1 in ANY company right now and for the up-coming future.

Go up and read my analogy about Hogan being the fans' wife and then cheating on them with their mortal enemy. Hogan did this, and everyone despised him for it. No one loved Edge in the first place, so when he does heel stuff, they boo him only because he stands in the way of their favorites (Cena, Taker) succeeding. There is no personal animosity between Edge and the fans. None. Thus, Hogan's heat dwarfs Edge's heat in comparison.

For me what puts this totaly in Edge's favor is, imagine Edge now, during the attitude era. A WWE - PG themed Edge is getting compared to an attitude era Hogan. Edge now in 98-2000 would smoke any heel EVER.

No, Edge would have likely gotten cheered or tweened during the Attitude era. His raunchiness, etc. was something that the fans liked back in those days, and when creative tried to push raunchy characters as heels, the fans either cheered for them anyway (DX), or they were confused (Val Venis, Goldust). He would have been boring and stuck in mid-card fever.

Plus, you can't speculate as to someone's effectiveness in a different era in terms of judging their effectiveness as a heel. They're either good in the era they are in, or they are not. Pretty clean cut.
 
I would go with Edge just for the simple reason that Hogan's Heelness was a reliance on other wrestlers/managers/owners whomever to do his dirty work for him.

A) Hogan's "heelness" was based on the fact that he was so over as a face, that children idolized him growing up, and then joined sides with two guys that the announcers were giving all kinds of heat toward.

B) Those things that you listed are part of what makes a heel.....A HEEL. You know...the cheating, sneaking, manipulating...the things that make people hate a guy. Basically the stuff that is in the dictionary next to the word "heel."

Thus, your argument there has NO validity.


Granted Edge was doing that over the past year, he does show that he is more of the complete heel. Edge, just being himself, can make you hate him. Hogan needed to turn against the fans and wcw itself in order to be seen as a true heel.

What defines "being himself"? Does he just go out and break kayfabe and become a heel? Because if that's the case...then Hogan is the king of that...as the Hollywood character was pretty much Hogan's personality. And of course Hogan had to turn on the fans to become a heel. How else does a former face become a heel?


But even amongst that fans still held out hope that Hogan would one day see the light. With Edge, fans just know that Edge is a heel through and through.

Thus, fans were always on the fence about Hogan...whenever the little tykes thought he might be a good guy again...he just crashed their hopes by doing something DASTARDLY. You wanted to love him, but he just kept breaking your heart. When Edge does something dastardly...it's just the same thing that has always happened...at least since Edge has mattered.

Most people don't remember the days when Edge was teaming with Hogan or holding the mid-card titles. When people think of Edge, they immediately think of his heel ways over the past 4 years. If told to think of anything else, they turn to his classic TLC matches, but again these took place when he was a heel along with Christian. Edge is just the complete heel, someone who fans just want to see fail.

People don't remember that for a reason. Not because he was so much better at being a heel today...but because it just wasn't that big of a deal. People remember TLCs because they were excellent matches...not that Edge and Christian were heels.

Just because people want to see you fail does not make you the complete heel. That just means they like they guy you are feuding against more than you.


Hogan, while good as a heel in the short time he was, just doesn't hold a candle to Edge.

No. No one ever threw stuff at Edge, and he never made little kids cry. Hogan was a hero...and then stabbed people in the back. It was personal. It's just business as usual with Edge.
 
Are we really having this debate? How anyone can even make this comparison is beyond me. Hogan, as big of a jerk in real life that he is, is the greatest heel of all time, period. Edge is the top heel in wrestling today, I'll give you that. I love the guy and his vileness is so fun to hate. He's the epitome of heel right now. He'd sell his mother up the river if it meant he could get ahead and not blink an eye about it. The problem is, he's barely even the number one heel right now with Orton being just a step behind him. Edge is a fine heel, but just not in Hogan's league.

Back in the 1980s and early 1990s, to say anyone was close to Hogan in popularity would be absurd. When he won at WM 3, it put him on such a high level that there wasn't a credible challenger for him the next year so they had to come up with the Tournament to build up heat for someone to face him. After so many years on top, yes he was losing a lot of his pop. So what do you do? You do the unthinkable and turn the greatest face of all time heel. As much as he'd been getting booed, the reaction he gets when he dropped the leg on Savage is breathtaking. The fans lost it. This was their hero going evil. How dare he? It's like a great actor being able to change roles. This would be someone like John Wayne becoming a bank robber. THe people would be so angry because they didn't want to see it, and at that point Hogan had them eating out of the palm of his hand and it led to the greatest wrestling boom since the 80s and perhaps ever.

Edge is a great heel right now, but Hogan got so much more heat, just by changing the color of clothes he wore. When Edge was a face, he got pops yes, but nothing that couldnt be replace. Hogan was the greatest face ever, and the greatest heel ever. That's not impressive, that's amazing.
 
I wonder what the average age of those voting for Edge would be compared to those of us who voted for Hogan? Its easy to vote for the guy that is here and now, how many of the people voting for Edge were actually around to witness everything about Hulk Hogan's career? If I had started watching wrestling in the mid 90s or later, I wouldn't be able to put Hogan's heel turn into perspective. However, being 33, and a consistent watcher of pro wrestling since around 1984-85, I lived through the Hogan WWF years, I saw him as the larger than life champ, so when he turned heel in WCW, I had already had a decade plus of Hogan as the ultimate good guy. During the 80s, the debate might have been who was the bigger boy scout, Hulk Hogan, or Superman? Hulk Hogan was the absolute paragon of virtue during his time in the WWF. He stood for what was right, and opposed all that was wrong. If you are a younger poster, you might not have first hand knowledge of that, you may not be drawing on the same experiences with Hulk Hogan as some of the older posters might have. I would be willing to bet that the average age of the Edge voters is significantly younger than that of the Hogan voters.
 
To be honest, I can't see how this is even an argument. When you sit and think of men who have been largely success as both heels and faces, you think of such names as Ric Flair. You think of such names as Triple H. You think of such names as Shawn Michaels. You can even include Kevin Nash's name along with the afformentioned list of superstars. And at the top of that list, you would have the man known as The Immortal, Hollywood, and The Hulkster. That man is Hulk Hogan.

Never before and never after, has a man who has become a legendary figurehead as face ascended to becoming to most hated man in sports entertainment. Yes, we all remember the t-shirt tear, world title wearin giant known as Hulk. A man who fans cheered for and even shed tears for when the most ominous of villians would leave him laid out on the floors after a sneak attack. Yes, I remember when Hogan would be down and out and the camera would cut to some young child crying their eyes out because of the fallen hero's plight. I even, on occasion, worried about whether the Hulkster would make it to fight another day. Yes, I admit I marked out for The Hulkster.

Flash forward a decade to the NWO's victory over Sting, The Macho Man, and Lex Luger on that fateful pay per view, Bash At The Beach. It wasn't enough for two men to wipe the floor with three of WCW's best. By no means. The man, the myth, the legend know as Hulk Hogan came down to the ring, with fans cheering and their hopes soaring for a real American Hero. But then Hogan shocked the world. He took out the ref and then took out team WCW. In this moment, fans were so disgusted that they filled the ring full of every bit of trash that they could get their hands on. And then did it week after week, no matter where they were, every time Hogan attempted to speak. He was now the most hated man on the planet.

Now the only thing that had a bigger impact than this was the fact that when Hogan went back to a face, the reaction was HUGE seeing him in the yellow and red again. And when he showed up on WWF tv, he was booed in the black and white and cheered when he donned the yellow and red again. Now I don't know about you, but I don't believe that Edge has ever been able to control the crowds cheers and boos with what he was wearing at the time the way Hulk Hogan has. Sure Edge makes a great heel. But he was only lackluster as a face. When you are able to swing the crowd reaction the way Hogan has and more than likely still can, drive their emotions to point of tears and true mortal hatred, cause people who shun away from you in disgust to not take their eyes off of you. Then, and only then, Edge will have ascended to the level that Hogan has reached in his career.
 
Aight there does seem to be a big age difference in this forum. Now I'm in the middle of all this. I'm 23 years old and I've been watching wrestling since the mid 80s till now. And times are much different now than there were back in the early 90s and mid 80s.

This thread is not some one thought process thread. This is a big question. Hogan was the biggest face and the biggest heel. The NWO turned went way better than anyone could have expected, including Hogan himself. He did a great job at keeping people to hate him. He was the biggest star at that time and he still was making movies. So its like calling him a sellout and he doesn't care at all. He's the man to takeover WCW. And he was going to make you hate him no matter what. I loved to hate Hogan during the NWO. But I also cheer them on occasions. Everyone wanted to see the top faces beat him. Lex Luger won the belt and the crowd goes nuts. Sting wins the world title and the crowd goes wild. Goldberg wins the title from Hogan and the crowd goes INSANE! You love hating Hogan.

But I say Edge is the better heel. From what he has achieve and how he came on to the scene. He was a heel when he first came into the WWE. Although his start in the WWE was a face, he had a heel like persona. And he's always had success as a heel. When Edge & Christian became a heel, they were hated by the fans. Not only were they hated, they back up their hatred with key victories that helped propel their career. Just like the other Edge thread I wrote, Edge is the man.

Think about when he became face again and Christian was on the verge of leaving the company to TNA. Edge was getting any good direction with his character thus, the fans started booing him. Which is why I call Edge the better heel and also one of the greatest ever to become a heel with the exception of Ric Flair. People were tired of Edge and didn't give a damn about him. Edge becoming a heel was a choice he decided to make. And I think it was for the storyline either. For Edge to put on classics like the Triple Threat Ladder Match at WM 2000 and the first two TLC matches, you would think that gets his respect. The fact that he has put on some classic rivalrys as a face, including the war he had with Kurt Angle (Oh yeah, who's the reason that Kurt's bald-headed? Edge) He's actually won a tag team championship with Hogan.

Edge did a lot as a good face and to hear the crowd boo him as he was a face. That was all the anger Edge needed. You see I bet you all the marbles in the world, Edge took that personally. As hard as he worked and the matches he put on to get booed. That sunk in on him and all of a sudden Edge is on a rampage. He joins forces with Randy Orton to really make each other look good as heels. Then, being the creative genius and heel he is has his own stable. He pretty much runs Smackdown, even with HHH on there. Then, he did the unthinkable and took out The Undertaker. So that made everyone hate him even more. Now he has the chance to be the biggest heel and get the biggest respect in the WWE. I see him taking a big spot in that Hell in a Cell match. He might even get the victory.

All I'm saying is you can't put Hogan over Edge because they played two different heels. Plus, Hogan is at the fall of his career. Edge is just becoming the legend he's about to become. He will beat HHH for that World Title. Please believe he will. Edge is the best the WWE has now. And he may not be as big as Hogan was in terms of popularity but he will be a way better performer and wrestler than Hogan ever was. And I bet Edge would beat him if they fought now.
 
First of all, if you are going to fairly compare Edge as a heel against Hogan, you have to look at his whole history. Personally, I don't think this is a fair comaprison at all for Hogan, because Edge has been a heel in some form or another for the majority of his career.

Most of the posters are only comparing Edge as a heel based on his work from 2004 when he was first turned back up until now. How you seem to have forgotten his work pre 2003. The reason why Edge is a far better heel than Hogan is because he has been a bad guy in various forms over the course of his now 10 year career. Hogan was just always a cocky Hollywood jackass and nothing deeper than that.

Edge has pretty well run the gamut of differnt types of bad guys. He's been a dark and mysterious heel with the Brood. A comedic, airhead heel in the Reek of Awesomness days. At the start of his run in '04, he was a crazed, borderline psychotic heel who would start pulling his own hair out if things weren't going his way. When he was hooked up with Lita, he graduated into the Rated R Superstar as the cocky, girlfriend stealing prick that does exist in everyday life. He became cowardly and weak in his relationship with Vickie Guerrero, and now, it seems the crazed Edge has returned.

I can't remember a guy who has had as many memorable heel runs in a career than Edge has. He has made us laugh, made us hate him so much we wished a horrible death upon him. Any which way, nobody has played the heel any better than Adam Copeland has.


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Aight there does seem to be a big age difference in this forum. Now I'm in the middle of all this. I'm 23 years old and I've been watching wrestling since the mid 80s till now. And times are much different now than there were back in the early 90s and mid 80s.

Actually wrestling today is ALOT like it was back in the mid 80's and early 90's. You have over the top gimmicks. Big productions shows. There is a clear line between reality and fantasy. It is marketed and clearly shows that it is for entertainment purposes only, hence why it's billed now as "sports entertainment".

This thread is not some one thought process thread. This is a big question. Hogan was the biggest face and the biggest heel. The NWO turned went way better than anyone could have expected, including Hogan himself. He did a great job at keeping people to hate him. He was the biggest star at that time and he still was making movies. So its like calling him a sellout and he doesn't care at all. He's the man to takeover WCW. And he was going to make you hate him no matter what. I loved to hate Hogan during the NWO. But I also cheer them on occasions. Everyone wanted to see the top faces beat him. Lex Luger won the belt and the crowd goes nuts. Sting wins the world title and the crowd goes wild. Goldberg wins the title from Hogan and the crowd goes INSANE! You love hating Hogan.

Exactly. Hogan helped the chance the face of wrestling in the late 90's. He helped skew the line so much between fantasy and reality that you actually hated him as a person and not just as a character. Not since Joan Collins and Susan Lucci donned their heel personals on there respective dramas, had anyone been able to do that. And definitely not with a male demographic as the prime base. When Hogan went heel, people actually cried and then wanted his head on a pole. From the moment of the leg drop to when he went face again, he was a true villain. Hands down.

But I say Edge is the better heel. From what he has achieve and how he came on to the scene. He was a heel when he first came into the WWE. Although his start in the WWE was a face, he had a heel like persona. And he's always had success as a heel. When Edge & Christian became a heel, they were hated by the fans. Not only were they hated, they back up their hatred with key victories that helped propel their career. Just like the other Edge thread I wrote, Edge is the man.

I would have to say that Edge didn't become a heel as much as he was shoved down our throats as a heel. When he came into the WWF, he was a follower heel, which meant he was just a henchman to a heel. So his heelness was more or less attributed to the figure under which he was aligned, which was The Undertaker and The Corporation. During his time with Christian, Christian was seen as being more believable as a heel in that pairing and played that part when they split. This meant that WWE didn't have confidence in Edge's ability to carry the heel ball on his own.

Think about when he became face again and Christian was on the verge of leaving the company to TNA. Edge was getting any good direction with his character thus, the fans started booing him. Which is why I call Edge the better heel and also one of the greatest ever to become a heel with the exception of Ric Flair. People were tired of Edge and didn't give a damn about him. Edge becoming a heel was a choice he decided to make. And I think it was for the storyline either. For Edge to put on classics like the Triple Threat Ladder Match at WM 2000 and the first two TLC matches, you would think that gets his respect. The fact that he has put on some classic rivalrys as a face, including the war he had with Kurt Angle (Oh yeah, who's the reason that Kurt's bald-headed? Edge) He's actually won a tag team championship with Hogan.

I wouldn't call him a face at that time. Sure, he spent time with Hogan, but he was still trapped in what I like to call the "Chris Harris Zone" to were he was only as over as who he was associated with. If WWE had confidence in him at the time to go above and beyond, they would not have paired him with super-face Hogan to try and elevate him. He still could not float. And even though he took down Angle, he still was not over as a face. People didn't care. Becoming a heel was not a choice as much as it was a desperate cry for help. So they began force feeding Edge's heeldome to us week in and week out. They even had him turn on one of the top faces, Shawn Michaels, to which he only got tepid heat.

Edge did a lot as a good face and to hear the crowd boo him as he was a face. That was all the anger Edge needed. You see I bet you all the marbles in the world, Edge took that personally. As hard as he worked and the matches he put on to get booed. That sunk in on him and all of a sudden Edge is on a rampage. He joins forces with Randy Orton to really make each other look good as heels. Then, being the creative genius and heel he is has his own stable. He pretty much runs Smackdown, even with HHH on there. Then, he did the unthinkable and took out The Undertaker. So that made everyone hate him even more. Now he has the chance to be the biggest heel and get the biggest respect in the WWE. I see him taking a big spot in that Hell in a Cell match. He might even get the victory.

The crowd booed The Rock. The crowd booes alot of faces. And do you know why? Because their attention spans can only take in so much for faces and heels. So WWE decided to over feed us the Edge heel thing. They went the route of showing him as self absorbed and selfish. And they made him whine and cry and pretty much annoyed us into taking him as a heel. It wasn't earned, it was overmarketed. And he still has yet to prove that he can be a top heel at that. For reference, a top heel is someone, who no matter who else is a heel around them, maintains their heel heat. Edge can not do this. So he was moved to Smackdown. And if Triple H ever decided to go back to being a heel, then Edge would have to try the face turn because he could not maintain his own heel heat. Hell, even Vickie Guerrero gets more heel heat than Edge. Hogan would not need such to get over as either face OR heel.

All I'm saying is you can't put Hogan over Edge because they played two different heels. Plus, Hogan is at the fall of his career. Edge is just becoming the legend he's about to become. He will beat HHH for that World Title. Please believe he will. Edge is the best the WWE has now. And he may not be as big as Hogan was in terms of popularity but he will be a way better performer and wrestler than Hogan ever was. And I bet Edge would beat him if they fought now.

I can see how Hogan goes over. Hogan was hated for being Hogan the bad guy. Not Hogan, leader of the NWO. Not Hollywood star Hogan. No. he was hated because it was sacrilegious for his to be anything other than a hero. And people hated themselves for ever having loved him while he was a bad guy. Edge, on the other hand, people could care less about. He could not get over as a face and people didn't go crazy when he became a heel. Hogan was naturally a heel. Edge had to be force fed to the audience for several months in order to get where he is, and that is STILL not to the heel point that Hogan was at. Hogan stands alone as a heel. Edge's heel credibility is only weighed by his associates. Therefore Hogan was a true heel. Edge is not.
 
IMO there is a few things wrong about the statment above. Edge may have had many different "heel runs" but lets break down the ones you have used. First Brood Edge really wasn;t that over. Him Christian, and Gangrel werent getting 1% of the heat Hogan ever did as a heel. Second Edge as the "airhead" character really wasn;t that hated. He was more of a tweener there than a heel. Then Edge did have a amazing heel turn in 2004. Edge became one of the WWE's biggest heel's(and on of my personal faves). But if u look at the times Edge was getting the most heat was when he was with his "girls". Lita & the Matt Hardy thing really help make Edge one of the most hated heels but that was also in part of Hardy/Lita. Also it almost seemed Lita got more heat overall. And now currently Edge was being outshine and out hated by Vickie Gurerro. Edge has a chance if he countinues down this new found anger(black roses/beating foley) to one day be bigger than Hollywood Hogan...but I wont hold my breath. All just my opinion coming from a HUGE Edge fan(but shouldnt I hate this guy???).
 
IMO there is a few things wrong about the statment above.

Okay. I'm willing to listen. Never let it be said that I don't have an open mind to prove someone wrong.

Edge may have had many different "heel runs" but lets break down the ones you have used. First Brood Edge really wasn;t that over. Him Christian, and Gangrel werent getting 1% of the heat Hogan ever did as a heel.

Are you kidding me? The Broodwich from Aqua Teen Hunger Force got over more than The Brood. That's why I showed the example of him getting heel heat as being part of the Corporate Ministry rather than just being part of The Brood.

Second Edge as the "airhead" character really wasn;t that hated. He was more of a tweener there than a heel.

He hung around looking more Californian than anything. But he wasn't a tweener. They played him and Christian as heels and the Hardys as faces. But alas, they were still heels. Poor heels. But still heels.

Then Edge did have a amazing heel turn in 2004. Edge became one of the WWE's biggest heel's(and on of my personal faves).

I would not call it amazing. His heel turn was force fed to us. I mean he pulled every thing that he could to pull himself off as a heel. And he still only barely got heel heat. It was marginal at best.

But if u look at the times Edge was getting the most heat was when he was with his "girls". Lita & the Matt Hardy thing really help make Edge one of the most hated heels but that was also in part of Hardy/Lita. Also it almost seemed Lita got more heat overall.

I made this point of how he has so far only gotten heat from who he's with. Lita got more heat because of The Matt Hardy situation. This heat was transcended to Edge. But it did not stick.

And now currently Edge was being outshine and out hated by Vickie Gurerro.

Once again, I made this point. But it is funny that someone who has only 1/16th the experience of Edge gets 10 times the heat that he does. Every week I hear Edge give his promos on Smackdown to rounds of booes from the fans. When was the last time that you actually heard a Vickie Guerrero promo all the way through without her stopping because the booes drown her out? Exactly.

Edge has a chance if he countinues down this new found anger(black roses/beating foley) to one day be bigger than Hollywood Hogan...but I wont hold my breath.

He COULD be bigger, but he won't. Because Edge does not sustain his own heat. He has faced so many of the bigger faces on the WWE roster and has still failed to get as much heat against them as other heels. And he fails to sustain the heat as well.

All just my opinion coming from a HUGE Edge fan(but shouldnt I hate this guy???).

You DO Know that my rant was a PRO-Hogan rant and ANTI-Edge one right? I wasn't praising Edge, I was breaking down why Hogan is the choice and not Edge. That was what my argument was about. I didn't need much to show why Hogan is the man. I needed more room to point out why Edge is not. For those who seem to keep thinking that he is on the same level as Hogan.
 
Let's see...

On one hand we have a guy whose heel run revolutionized the business, instigated a boom period, drew more fans to wrestling than had been there in a decade, took a company that was losing money hand over fist to making $300 million dollars a year, and almost put Vince McMahon out of business. He created superstars, gave new life to former superstars, and was the reason that the ring was literally showered with fans' hate garbage every Monday Night. He drove business, doubled PPV buyrates, and doubled TV ratings.

On the other hand, we have Edge. Whose sole reason for being over as a heel is because he fucked Matt Hardy's girlfriend.


Seriously. That's the end to the thread. No more needs to be said. To suggest that Edge is even in Hogan's league, on any level, is ridiculous.
 
EVery last person who voted Edge should be fucking ashamed of themselves, and checked for mental ******ation.

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME???

Hollywood Hulk Hogan is the BEST HEEL EVER, bar none, period, end of story. Edge struggles to be known as WWE's top heel TODAY. Hollywood Hulk Hogan drove the biggest angle EVER, te biggest heel faction EVER, and had the biggest match EVER. Edge, on the other hand, biggest moment as a heel received a giant face pop.

Hogan nearly started full on legitmate riots every monday night. Had heat so white hot, that the likes of it had never, and has never SINCE been seen. Have you EVER in life seen people RAINING down garbage and full drinks at EDGE?? FUUUUCK no you havent. Has an entire YEAR LONG storyline build up to ONE MATCH ever happened, just working off the fans pure hatred of EDGE?? FUUUUUCK NO it hasnt.

Sorry folks, but

Very near full on riots > Half the crowd popping for you when your theme music hits


I have half a mind to CLOSE this ridiculous, absurd, laborious thread. Glad some of all of you were able to be educated in the meantime though.
 

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