ECW vs. ROH

[justinsayne]

Which is/was the better promotion, ROH or the original ECW (not that WWECW crap)?, this is a really tough question, I've never seen either in person, I have quit a few ROH DVDs but very few ECW ones, a majority of the old ECW that I have seen have been off the ECW DVDs that have been released by WWE or via Internet, and Right now I gotta go with ROH, just because I think that I've seen more great Pure wrestling matches than I have seen in ECW, however if it wern't for ECW we might not have an ROH today

 

[Slyfox696]

I would say they are probably about tied.

Both are equally crappy.





In all seriousness, ECW clearly outshines ROH. ECW was light years ahead of ROH when they finally went out of business. While I personally don't understand it, they had a large core fanbase, and created many popular wrestlers, as evidenced by Rob Van Dam in WWE.

In terms of match quality, both are overrated as hell. ECW apologists will point to "OMG~! The technical wrestlers!" while ROH marks will claim "greatest technical wrestling ever!". Neither statement begins to reach the level of importance that their fans would like to believe. Have there been good matches in each? Sure. Do the matches appeal to the small fanbase? Sure. Does it make them great? No.

Anyways, there is no doubt that ECW outshines ROH, at least right now. ROH has done nothing of importance and have contributed nothing to the professional wrestling world.

 

[RVDgurl]

Jesus, Justin....what are trying to do to me??? This is like asking me to choose which one of my parents I love the most.

Ok....well, if I must choose, I have to go with my first love, ECW. ROH is the best wrestling promotion currently, but ECW is the best promotion ever. ECW contributed so much to the wrestling world in the 7 glorious years of it's existence. ECW was more cutting edge and innovative.

 

[Freedom 35]

Ok....well, if I must choose, I have to go with my first love, ECW. ROH is the best wrestling promotion currently, but ECW is the best promotion ever. ECW contributed so much to the wrestling world in the 7 glorious years of it's existence. ECW was more cutting edge and innovative.

This sounds pretty close to right for me however i wouldnt go so far to say ECW is the best promotion ever, but it defenitely was much more innovative. however i still think that ROH is a better promotion because IMO ROH has better match quality and nothing against match quality in ECW but i would Take Danielson/Kenta in Chicago over any ECW match or any match at all for that matter

 

[RVDgurl]

This sounds pretty close to right for me however i wouldnt go so far to say ECW is the best promotion ever, but it defenitely was much more innovative. however i still think that ROH is a better promotion because IMO ROH has better match quality and nothing against match quality in ECW but i would Take Danielson/Kenta in Chicago over any ECW match or any match at all for that matter

Even though ROH basically was born out of the ECW mold, the promotions are so different that it really is hard to pick. How could I ever choose between a Danielson/Kenta match and an RVD/Sabu match? Both are going to blow me away, but the styles and everything are so incredibly different.

Can I pick both?

 

[Freedom 35]

Even though ROH basically was born out of the ECW mold, the promotions are so different that it really is hard to pick. How could I ever choose between a Danielson/Kenta match and an RVD/Sabu match? Both are going to blow me away, but the styles and everything are so incredibly different.

Can I pick both?

For most people its about what style of wrestling they prefer. Both are quite similar in the way that you know that what your about to see wil blow you away and if you like one you probably like the other, but usually theres one you prefer over the other.

however in your case i defenitely say you could choose both why deny yourself quality wrestling

 

[Uncle Sam]

Not contributed? Well, I guess you're right Sly. Still, at one time or another, TNA has shared almost an entire roster with ROH. AJ Styles was in ROH, as were Low Ki, Joe, Daniels, Lethal, Aries (erm, forget that one actually) Homicide, among others. I think that list of wrestlers will make big impacts on the wrestling world before their times are up, and it's thanks to ROH.

I'll have to go for ROH then, seeing as my favourite company is packed with their former superstars. No TNA option? Shame.

Hot damn, I'm Mrs. Sam!!

 

[Y 2 Jake]

ROH could survive without storylines but ECW was remembered more for it's storylines. I dont think you can really compare them. Sure both promotions have wrestlers that wouldn't/might not have been able to succede anywhere else, and both are/were feeder groups of sorts. But imo the similarity ends there.

As for which one I prefer I'd go with ROH. Obviously the gimmicks and characters aren't as intresting as ECW ones on a whole. But there wrestling is vastly superior. You get the million moves a match styles of the Briscos and the technical wrestling of Danielson. You used to get that in ECW but you used to also have to put up with fat out of shape wrestlers who hid there limitations with terrible matches. You know the workes suck when they have to resort to using glass on there knuckles. But then again I'm not much a fan of the hardcore stuff. Dont get me wrong i'm a fan of ECW but I much prefer ROH.

And Barb Wire matches always suck RVDgurl. So there.

 

[RVDgurl]

And Barb Wire matches always suck RVDgurl. So there.

I suggest you watch the Sabu v. Funk and Raven v. Sandman barbed wire matches just one more time. They're both very well done. I'm sure you'll see the light.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

I've seen the light and It's shit shaped. Terrible matches. I dont like matches that have to rely too much on shortcuts. And at Terry Funks age even 10 years ago he had to rely too much on them, same with Sabu. Barb Wire matches are desperation matches for old vets. The only non has been who've I've seen in a Barb Wire watch is Abyss. And yes your right Abyss vs. Sabu was good.

 

[RVDgurl]

I've seen the light and It's shit shaped. Terrible matches. I dont like matches that have to rely too much on shortcuts. And at Terry Funks age even 10 years ago he had to rely too much on them, same with Sabu. Barb Wire matches are desperation matches for old vets. The only non has been who've I've seen in a Barb Wire watch is Abyss. And yes your right Abyss vs. Sabu was good.

Raven and Sandman were in their prime when they had their barbed wired match. Did you ever see that one? I wish I could remember off the top of my head what show it was on, but I can't. I know I have it at home. Anyway, you need to see that match if you haven't already.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

Yeah but Sandam could never work for shit. If he has a decent match it's purley accidental. Good gimmick to hide his flaws. I haven't seen it but I predict from the offset that this match was too good for Raven if they were both in there primes. Raven could work so he doesn't need to be stuck in silly little Barbed Wire matches.

 

[RVDgurl]

Yeah but Sandam could never work for shit. If he has a decent match it's purley accidental. Good gimmick to hide his flaws. I haven't seen it but I predict from the offset that this match was too good for Raven if they were both in there primes. Raven could work so he doesn't need to be stuck in silly little Barbed Wire matches.

You don't know what you're missing. But hey, if you don't like barbed wire matches, then you don't. I watch enough for the both of us.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

Find it for me and I'll watch it. I will then point out all it's flaws for you. And then you can go all Syfox on my ass and tell my why Barb Wire matches are better than pure wrestling.

 

[RVDgurl]

Find it for me and I'll watch it. I will then point out all it's flaws for you. And then you can go all Syfox on my ass and tell my why Barb Wire matches are better than pure wrestling.

I will find it for you. You can attempt to point out flaws, but I probably won't see them.

And for the record, I never said barbed wire matches are better than pure wrestling. I like them so miuch because they are very rarely done in the US.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

I will find it for you. You can attempt to point out flaws, but I probably won't see them.

Even if I dont see ANY, I'll find some negatives just for the sake of it..

And for the record, I never said barbed wire matches are better than pure wrestling. I like them so miuch because they are very rarely done in the US.

I know. But you dont honestly think that Slyfox thinks Cena is better than Danielson do you. The kids just confused by all the bright colours of WWE, and his groovy merchandise.

EDIT: So this isn't off topic. ROH is better because they wouldn't have to resort to Barb Wire matches. And If for some reson they did the fans would shit all over it.

 

[fallon6190]

Actually ROH has had a barb wire match at WAR OF The Wire Steve Corino and Homicide had a match of the year canidate in barb wire. The fans were totally into it and didn't shit all over it.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

Actually ROH has had a barb wire match at WAR OF The Wire Steve Corino and Homicide had a match of the year canidate in barb wire. The fans were totally into it and didn't shit all over it.

Bollocks forgot about that.

Fair enough. ROH are better than ECW because they wouldn't have to resort to scaffold matches. And under no circumstances would they ever consider hiring somebody as useless as Sid.

 

[makeitvab]

I prefer ROH because I'm more into the athletic and pure style they offer. ECW was interesting no doubt, and changed the way wrestling evolved but from just a "Watch this match versus this match" stand point ROH all the way.

Alex~Vab

 

[Shocky]

it just depends on what you prefer. As far as actual in ring talent and quality matches from top to bottom, it's Ring Of Honor without competition. The problem with ROH is, and if you are a fan, it's probably not a problem, is lack of characters and storylines. ROH is essentially there for the smark crowd that enjoy watching wrestling for the athleticism and the technical ability of the wrestlers, along with dangerous high spots.

Then we go to ECW. While ECW had some of the best matches I've seen, there was a lot of comedy and goofiness, and plain stupidy in it. Now I find ECW more enjoyable, because I grew up with it. As far as wrestling though, so many of the guys on the roster were one trick ponies, as evident by less then counting them on one hand, guys winning World titles in other promotions.

Take a guy like New Jack, if you don't like ECW, you hate New Jack. If you like ECW, you love New Jack. New Jack did shit in the rign, but you know what, I "got it", as most ECW fans did.

Like I said, ROH as far as pure wrestling and athleticism, but ECW for me was far more enjoyable.

 

[Slyfox696]

Find it for me and I'll watch it. I will then point out all it's flaws for you. And then you can go all Syfox on my ass and tell my why Barb Wire matches are better than pure wrestling.

Hey, I resemble that remark!

I know. But you dont honestly think that Slyfox thinks Cena is better than Danielson do you. The kids just confused by all the bright colours of WWE, and his groovy merchandise.

Yes, I honestly do. And, yes, he honestly is.

Bollocks forgot about that.

Fair enough. ROH are better than ECW because they wouldn't have to resort to scaffold matches. And under no circumstances would they ever consider hiring somebody as useless as Sid.

I would rather have Sid Vicious on my roster than a Social Security drawing Kamala.

 

[mr. krinkle]

I would rather have Sid Vicious on my roster than a Social Security drawing Kamala.

when was Kamala ever in ROH? i know he fought Danielson in the last couple years, but that was at an NWA show if i remember right.

anyways, apples and oranges people, apples and oranges.

the only similarity is that they performed in front of smaller, more rabid crowds, showcased international talent you didnt see in the mainstream promotions, as well as indy wrestlers that you may have only read about.
there is also the Gabe link between the two, but their products were much different

but, now that they are going mainstream with ppv, and more and more are going to see it, you may get the same effect that ECW had on the big two ten years ago...talent raids, story stealing, ect.

oh yeah...i forgot...ROH makes money and pays their wrestlers

 

[cosmonaut]

Don't forget, there was also the BJ Whitmer/Necro Butcher barbed wire match in ROH.

Anyway, I think its almost to difficult to compare them. Both had their different nitch. ECW was more about hardcore, no rules wrestling. ROH is more about athleticism and being the best wrestler. Granted both ECW and ROH are very anti-establishment. Both are based on being different from the more mainstream option.

In a way, I'd say ECW was about 80% Hardcore wrestling and 20% technical wrestling where ROH is 20% Hardcore and 80% technical wrestling. Almost polar opposites to a point.

Personally, I enjoy ROH more than I did ECW. I prefer the technical wrestling without the barbed wire, light tubes, cheese graters, flaming tables, exploding electrified boards of sex toys, etc...

 

[megaman]

i like both promotions, the wrestlers that both promotions have created are real mean mutherf***** like rvd, sabu, sandman, new jack, homicide, samoa joe and others but if i was to choose between the two, i would choose ecw because it was innovative, hardcore, blood, and colourful language which i think is good thing for a promotion, roh does the same too but i would choose ecw, to be honest i really dont have a reason but thats what i could come up with, the thing is i say ecw but ive watched more roh shows than ecw but they are both wicked in the end, if they ever had an ecw vs. roh ppv, these are two matches i would love to see

homicide vs. new jack and bryan danielson vs. rvd

 

[Kasey]

Both promotions hit certain beats of the game very well. ECW brought Japanese Hardcore to the American shores on a regular basis as well as establishing edgier storyline content and a lax amount of censorship in promos and overall content (a move that Uncle Eric and Vince would gladly kipe to pad their corny and boring-ass shows by the mid/late nineties, thus them laying claim to "reviving" stuff). ECW also gave serious spotlight to talent that the "big two" never gave a second thought to. Whether it was the junior's (Mysterio, Guererro, etc.) or a handful of other guys who were write-offs from other promotions (Al Snow, Austin, Foley) they allowed them to shine the way Heyman knew they could and the fans loved it. They also provided the first outlet for the true "smart" mark to not be treated like a fucking idiot in terms of storylines and content, as well as the matches at times. I still think that if ECW had a better man behind the wheel of the number-crunching and they didn't opt for such a shitty TV deal with TNN, they'd still be around today and ROH and TNA probably wouldn't be.

ROH brought it back to the basics of straight-up wrestling as the primary vehicle to entertain this niche crowd. Promos were kept old-school without all the extreme vulgarity that ECW had sometimes propagated. In-ring talent from ROH is something that I think they still have a solid barometer for, and the athletes bust their ass. I've gotten more enjoyment from one of their $10 DVDs or $10 PPVs than I'd gotten from FIVE FUCKING YEARS of Vince McMahon's horseshit parade.

Me, personally? I prefer ROH. Mostly because I prefer straight-up wrestling, myself. However, that's not to say that I'm not an OLD-SCHOOL ECW faithful who will always hold a special place in my heart for them ever since they crashed RAW and showed me that there is more to wrestling than corny-ass WWE gimmickry with boring-as-fuck wrestling and storylines that often chase their own tail. I'm more into standard wrestling as opposed to hardcore, but that doesn't mean I don't get down on seeing a guy chokeslammed through a table or flying off a ladder.