E & C

[RavensEdge]

Christian may have lost the world title but he has held it twice and risen to main event status. Edge undoubtedly has cemented his place in the HOF. What I'd like to know is do you think the team of E & C is the first tag team that split to singles competition to not have a "Marty Jannety" and a "Shawn Michaels"?

Obviously Christian hasn't and most likely will not reach the level of HBK but he also has not fallen into obscurity like Marty.

Also if I've overlooked any other teams that have had both former members go on to glory let me know.

 

[The Future Rises]

Damn.. Now that you mention it I can't seem to recall two lower card/mid card guys start off as a tag team and both go on to greatness. Good point on the whole "Jennety" thing.

I would have said The Brothers Of Destruction but they were both huge stars when they started teaming now weren't they? So I guess they don't count.

Looks like we're gonna see the same with The Miz and John Morrison. Hell WWE are already discussing not resigning Morrison. I don't think he's ever going to achieve anything in his WWE career from now.

 

[nyte_ryder]

Yeah I do agree as well. Alot of tag team champs were superstars before then. I look at WWE now and they really dont have tag teams that come in an stay together. Matt and Jeff Hardy tried to do the single's deal and as you can see they didn't get far. Edge and Christian were former tag champs and have gone into singles comp's have won been WWE Champs.

Honestly I hope WWE gets some tag teams rise up like the Dudley Boys/Hardy Boys/E&C/New Age Outlaws...etc.

They're has been odd tag team champs like Cena&Miz/Miz & Big Show/etc.

 

[ZBroski28]

I never made that connection. Edge & Christian going on from mere tag-team partners to singles' World Champions.
Christian was in the shadow of Edge for ever so long, but now, with Edge gone, Christian is in the spotlight.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

I think they've already overcome that. Probably 99% of the times, if you pick any 2 wrestlers, their careers won't be "equally successful" so someone always has to be the more successful one. As you pointed out, most of the time the gap is pretty large. I think this is because you create tag teams to fill gaps. If one guy grows where he lacks, then the other guy isn't necessary, and you kick him out, the guy who grew gets pushed.

Edge and Christian both started out with pretty close to the same skillset. Neither an extraordinary athlete, but decent, above average on the mic and in the ring, both creative. Edge being bigger and having a more disinctive look, has more natural charisma, so he got over more, so he got pushed more, so he got over more.

Christian though, I think has already overcome the Jannetty curse. Being a TNA champion, a WWE main eventer, and now a 2 times World Champion means he's "made it". Someone else mentioned blade runners, so I guess that's one other team.

 

[CleverName51]

What about the Hardyz?

Jeff Hardy was high...and he's a 3 time WHC/WWE champion

Matt Hardy had a pretty decent career as well, multi time mid-card champ and one of the best WWE-Cruiserweight angles with Mattitude V1.0


Would I be stretching it if I cited Evolution since Batista and Flair were tag champs and after the breakup, Batista became a legit star...and Flair was still Flair? if not, that's my 2nd example

Finally: WcW had a couple of guys named the Outsiders, Kevin Nash and Scott Hall...they were a part of something....some kind of Order...in a New World, the NWO of course

Finally: the Radicalz debuted as a tag team/stable in 2000, Benoit and Guerrero would both we World Champions before their lives were tragically cut short

I think if you really analyze things, you'll find moderate success in both members of a tag team after the breakup

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Yep. Blade Runners pretty much nailed this one on the head. I doesn't get that much more successful than these two

At the same time though, the Blade Runners weren't as successful or in as high profile of a company as the others were. I mean, it's still impressive what the Blade Runners did, one being the biggest star of 1989 and the other being "the franchise" of WCW and carrying them on his back when Flair left.

However, I don't think we've ever seen two guys who have BOTH humongous tag success at the highest level AND humongous singles success at the highest level.

 

[Pedigree1]

Yes i have to give it to Edge and Christian as the most successful tag team/individuals we have seen/ Christian is what a two time world champion edge an 11 time champion both have numerous tag team titles to their resume!! Christian is a former ECW champion cant forget that his run in TNA was very good!! No way will Christian ever be compared to Jannety JO-MO is in danger of already claiming that for himself!! As far as the outsiders go ehhh kinda of a weak comparison!! The Radicalz yes i would agree there but unforunately because of what Benoit did thats all erased on his behalf!! WWE still treats him like he never existed as well they should!! Why do you think they wont release the third anthology set of survivor series it has nothing to do with the screwjob incident!! Now Evolution Flair and Batista!! Batista did indeed go on to stardom a multiple time champion and flair well he was flair!! But Edge and Christian the most successful tag team/individuals

 

[bsefire]

I think what was being implied was a tag team that started out new and then split. The ones mentioned besides blade runners were established stars for the most part put together for whatever reason.

 

[RavensEdge]

What about the Hardyz?

Jeff Hardy was high...and he's a 3 time WHC/WWE champion

Matt Hardy had a pretty decent career as well, multi time mid-card champ and one of the best WWE-Cruiserweight angles with Mattitude V1.0


Would I be stretching it if I cited Evolution since Batista and Flair were tag champs and after the breakup, Batista became a legit star...and Flair was still Flair? if not, that's my 2nd example

Finally: WcW had a couple of guys named the Outsiders, Kevin Nash and Scott Hall...they were a part of something....some kind of Order...in a New World, the NWO of course

Finally: the Radicalz debuted as a tag team/stable in 2000, Benoit and Guerrero would both we World Champions before their lives were tragically cut short

I think if you really analyze things, you'll find moderate success in both members of a tag team after the breakup

I understand how you're looking at it but...

The Hardyz might be the closest comparison because WWE kept trying to do something with Matt but he never really got big, aside from his ECW title which we all know was never on the same level as the WWE or World title. Now he went to TNA and didn't do much of anything there either.

NWO... obviously Hall and Nash had great success before they became The Outsiders

same with the Radicalz, both guys had decent singles careers before they were teamed up and then had more success after they broke up.

The point was E & C were teamed together within the first year of their careers(and yes Edge did win the IC belt before that but only held it for a day) but then went several years as a team and won the tag belts 7 times... no other team has done that and then had both members go on to win World titles.


someone else mentioned the Blade Runners... that's a good example of a tag team that accomplished nothing and then had both guys go on to become HUGE in the business

 

[S.J. Maximus]

Clearly E & C are the only ones with humongous tag and singles success and I don't really think it's possible for anyone else to come close anymore. Tags aren't taken seriously anymore and it's stars are even less respected so I can't see a tag star becoming a huge singles star, let alone 2 guys from the same team becoming 2 huge singles stars. E & C were like catching lightning in a bottle, and I wish WWE realized that sooner so that Christian could've had a title reign in the mid 00's instead of going to TNA

 

[PUNKforPresident]

A lot of you are mentioning tag teams that were formed after either 1 or both guys in the team were over. Edge and Christain were not over when they became a Tag Team. Rock n Sock connection and Flair & Batista are irrelevant to this thread.

 

[I_Am_Electro_Boy]

I'm not sure if they are the first team where both men have became successful after the break up but they are definitely one of the teams. It has surprised me to be honest, I thought Christian was going to be a upper mid-card competitor at most because he went to TNA saying that Jeff Hardy went to TNA and came back and got a few World Titles, so I can't be that shocked. I'm glad that they have both been successful because they deserve it both are good on the mic and in the ring.

 

[Skairipa Matrix]

theres a few teams that neither member is a "marty jennety" like DX (triple h and shawn michaels) when they started teaming up they werent big stars yet and now HBK is in the hall of fame and triple h will be in the hall of fame without a doubt just a matter of time...also i noticed someone said wwe is dicussing not resigning john morrison i saw nothing about that and if they dont resign him thats pretty stupid and a big mistake

 

[The Future Rises]

What about the Hardyz?

Jeff Hardy was high...and he's a 3 time WHC/WWE champion

Matt Hardy had a pretty decent career as well, multi time mid-card champ and one of the best WWE-Cruiserweight angles with Mattitude V1.0

Matt never amounted to anything more than a midcarder. I don't think he's a future Hall Of Famer. Though that can all change if he returns to the WWE for a final run and wins the world title just like Christian. But for now let's just say all Matt was is a midcarder turned jobber to the stars.

 

[TheHeartBreakKidage]

Good post here.. so many teams come to mind where only 1 guy ended up with world title success. The Hardys, Rockers, Hart Foundation, Steiner Brothers, etc etc.

I'l throw out a team, and tell me if it's legit or not. Before Michaels became a legitimate star.. he found a bodyguard in Diesel, and they went on to win the tag titles twice I believe.. that's iffy.. but can be debated.

And i dunno about this but I'd say we would be able to include The Hollywood Blondes (Steve Austin & Brian Pillman) for sure if not for the mixture of Pillmans drug abuse/heart disease. Pillman would have been a star.

 

[RavensEdge]

theres a few teams that neither member is a "marty jennety" like DX (triple h and shawn michaels) when they started teaming up they werent big stars yet and now HBK is in the hall of fame and triple h will be in the hall of fame without a doubt just a matter of time...also i noticed someone said wwe is dicussing not resigning john morrison i saw nothing about that and if they dont resign him thats pretty stupid and a big mistake

seriously? When DX got together HBK was already the heavyweight champion twice and started his third reign just as they became a group.
Triple H wasn't huge yet but he had already been IC champ too.

 

[The Idiot]

Christian may have lost the world title but he has held it twice and risen to main event status. Edge undoubtedly has cemented his place in the HOF. What I'd like to know is do you think the team of E & C is the first tag team that split to singles competition to not have a "Marty Jannety" and a "Shawn Michaels"?

Obviously Christian hasn't and most likely will not reach the level of HBK but he also has not fallen into obscurity like Marty.

Also if I've overlooked any other teams that have had both former members go on to glory let me know.

The reason why Marty Jannetty became "a Marty Jannetty" is because he shot himself in the foot time and time again. Shawn was always the company man...and even though he may have had more talent, it wasn't like Marty was a complete bust. He was great in the ring and had many great matches in his day...but it was the behind the scenes crap that Marty got into that was his own doing.

Christian never seemed to have problems. Sure he left the company and went to TNA for a bit, but from what I recall it was all on good terms. Christian is a hell of a performer...but if you really look at the roster from top to bottom on both Raw and Smackdown, I don't see Christian being world champ. I'm glad he's reached that pinnacle, but it's a spot I don't think he deserves right now. But then again...is being world heavyweight champion even mean anything anymore? It used to represent the best in the company...the #1 man in NWA/WCW...now it plays second fiddle to the WWE title. God they need to do a title unification....a REAL title unification. But I'll save that for another thread.

My $.02