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Dying Cancer Patient Kicked out of Hospital

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/14/angel-raich_n_1342586.html


Angel Raich was diagnosed with an inoperable terminal brain tumor, a condition that causes frequent seizures as well as constant pain and headaches. She smokes medical marijuana to help because it's the only medicine that is saving her life. She needs to smoke every 2 hours while at the hospital she was smoking the marijuana out of a vaporizer for anyone on here that doesn't know what a vaporizer is a smoking device where you smoke marijuana with the vaporizer your inhale no smoke you put the marijuana in a heating chamber where it vaporizes the marijuana which also gives you a much better high there’s also no odor like you normally get when you smoke. Vaporizers are the cleanest and safest way for someone to smoke.
Anyways they took offensive and said they were going to get the feds involved if she doesn't leave. While being interviewed outside she went into a seizure. How can any hospital do to their dying patients? She is a medical marijuana patient and she’s smoking to help her live another day. She doesn't know how much more time she has to live but with the marijuana its helping her see tomorrow
 
"Any particles from vapor and odor could have an impact on other patients and hospital employees," the statement read. "Under federal and state law, a physician is at legal risk related to any activity that could be construed as prescribing medical marijuana to a patient."

Awfully convenient how you left this little nugget of information out. She was kicked out of the Hospital for committing a crime, allowing her to consume Cannibus in their facility would be a violation of Federal Law. What, are they supposed to just ignore that and let her do what she wants? I get that the woman is in pain and she should have her needs met, but Marijuana offers absolutely nothing more than any of the other LEGAL pain meds that would be readily on hand in the facility.

It's a shame what the poor woman is going through, but this isn't some violation of civil rights. It could affect the lives of those around you and it's easily avoidable.
 
You can't get a second hand high from the vaporizer. I use to own a vaporizer and they have no smell when you smoke. She also is a LEGAILIZED medical marijuana patient by the way so she’s not committing any crime. The last thing she needs is to be drugged up on pain killers when marijuana has proven to have the most benefits for her. Marijuana has more benefits then most pain meds. Her primary care physician said someone like her needs it every two hours did you watch the video she went into a seizure for not being able to smoke her marijuana. For someone like her she needs it to live and denying her from doing is only going to cause her more harm in this case you don’t really have a choice but to let her smoke.
 
You can't a second hand high from the vaporizer. I use to own a vaporizer and they have no smell when you smoke. She also is a LEGAILIZED medical marijuana patient by the way so she’s not committing any crime. The last thing she needs is to be drugged up on pain killers when marijuana has proven to have the most benefits for her. Marijuana has more benefits then most pain meds. Her primary care physician said someone like her needs it every two hours did you watch the video she went into a seizure for not being able to smoke her marijuana. For someone like her she needs it to live and denying her from doing is only going to cause her more harm in this case you don’t really have a choice but to let her smoke.

Vaporizer creates water vapor. Vapor is a potential health hazard in hospitals. It even says so in the article you linked us. The woman might have went through all legal channels in order to smoke the marijuana but she it was obviously against the rules in the hospital. And for good reason.

They're not worried about other patients getting high. They're worried about the particles from the vaporizer particles contaminating the air. Which is a hazard for surgical operations. She can't play victim for something that could have caused major harm to others.

Is it a shame what is happening to this woman. But you are getting the wrong message entirely with this article. She didn't get kicked out of the hospital for smoking weed because they didn't want other patients high, they had her removed because the weed was a hazard to others.

Hopefully they find a facility that allows her to toke up. Or she can find an alternate to Marijuana that will allow her into a hospital.
 
Even though you’re probably more likely to get struck by lighting and have a vending machine fall on you at the same time then a little bit of water vapor causing any type of serious damage. If there so paranoid about the slight chance of the vapor causing damage then make a special room for medical marijuana patients to smoke when they need to every hospital in the world should have one of those rooms. Prescription pills kills thousands of people every year when we still don't even have one death from marijuana. Marijuana is one of the best medicines in the entire world because with one plant you help out so many people for different medical purposes and you also can't die from it. For a lot of medical marijuana patients they need it to live. These people aren’t thinking about getting fucked up these people a smoking because it saves their lives. These are very sick people It’s a night and day difference before and after when they smoke. More people need to be aware of all the benefits that this one plant can do
 
Even though you’re probably more likely to get struck by lighting and have a vending machine fall on you at the same time then a little bit of water vapor causing any type of serious damage.

Aren't you just completely ignorant aren't you? Obviously the air particles from water vapor and smoke can cause serious damage. If it didn't, their wouldn't be a rule in place to say otherwise. You think people just make rules and restrictions just to get their rocks off?



If there so paranoid about the slight chance of the vapor causing damage then make a special room for medical marijuana patients to smoke when they need to

Medical marijuana is not something every hospital hands out. In fact, the hospital she went to was a hospital on a college campus that researches the positive effects of marijuana. She could have easily moved to the research area where the hospital is not at any legal risk if she needs to smoke.

every hospital in the world should have one of those rooms.

Right, medical Marijuana is still a very fickle subject in California. Why should every hospital prepare an air tight room for a group of people who are using a drug that is barely legal? Perfect, fucking, sense. But like I said before, their was an area where she could have smoked it without any sort of legal trouble. Why did she choose to smoke it in the hospital? Surely with the cancer she could have decided she didn't need to stir up a huge issue over what could have been something as simple as moving herself.



Prescription pills kills thousands of people every year when we still don't even have one death from marijuana. Marijuana is one of the best medicines in the entire world because with one plant you help out so many people for different medical purposes and you also can't die from it. For a lot of medical marijuana patients they need it to live. These people aren’t thinking about getting fucked up these people a smoking because it saves their lives. These are very sick people It’s a night and day difference before and after when they smoke. More people need to be aware of all the benefits that this one plant can do

This story isn't about the positives and negatives of Marijuana. The hospital wasn't taking a stand against medical marijuana. The hospital were simply following procedure with their health policies. Policies that have been put in place because the vapor or smoke could pose as a serious health risk.




After further reading this article, Angel Raich is currently in multiple lawsuits with the Supreme court over the use of using medical Marijuana. Is it strange that someone who is trying to legalize marijuana by fighting two cases in the Supreme Court pulls a stunt like this and gets kicked out of a hospital, and becomes Main-stream news? Seeing Angel's past, I wouldn't put it past her as a publicity stunt to reel behind her.

Hospitals have signs all over saying "No smoking" an employee of the hospital told her. "Don't smoke that here." She broke one of the laws in the hospital and was punished as such. That is the end of it.
 
Even though you’re probably more likely to get struck by lighting and have a vending machine fall on you at the same time then a little bit of water vapor causing any type of serious damage. If there so paranoid about the slight chance of the vapor causing damage then make a special room for medical marijuana patients to smoke when they need to every hospital in the world should have one of those rooms. Prescription pills kills thousands of people every year when we still don't even have one death from marijuana. Marijuana is one of the best medicines in the entire world because with one plant you help out so many people for different medical purposes and you also can't die from it. For a lot of medical marijuana patients they need it to live. These people aren’t thinking about getting fucked up these people a smoking because it saves their lives. These are very sick people It’s a night and day difference before and after when they smoke. More people need to be aware of all the benefits that this one plant can do

I agree wholeheartedly. Our society really needs to get past it's Draconian views on marijuana. I don't smoke, but I do know it does have legitimate medicinal benefits. My mother was prescribed it to restore her appetite while recovering from a stroke. The version she was on was in pill form and does not get you high it only stimulates appetite. I am also aware of it's uses in the treatment of cancer, multiple sclerosis, arthritis, and glaucoma. These people are not using it to get high they are using it to save their lives or improve the quality and functionality of their lives.
 
I agree wholeheartedly. Our society really needs to get past it's Draconian views on marijuana. I don't smoke, but I do know it does have legitimate medicinal benefits. My mother was prescribed it to restore her appetite while recovering from a stroke. The version she was on was in pill form and does not get you high it only stimulates appetite. I am also aware of it's uses in the treatment of cancer, multiple sclerosis, arthritis, and glaucoma. These people are not using it to get high they are using it to save their lives or improve the quality and functionality of their lives.

Nobody here is disputing this. I smoke Marijuana quite frequently, and I don't even have any medical condition. No one here is arguing against the medicinal value of Marijuana.

But to suggest that Hospitals should allow patients to use it in the damn facility is absurd. There has to be a line somewhere and endangering other lives around you should probably be that line.
 
Let me break this down for you Remix style.

Angel Raich was diagnosed with an inoperable terminal brain tumor, a condition that causes frequent seizures as well as constant pain and headaches. She smokes medical marijuana to help because it's the only medicine that is saving her life.

Except the cytotoxic drugs slowing the tumour growth (which marijuana has no proof of doing), the anticonvulsant drugs that reduce the likelyhood of her haing a seizure (no evidence that it does this either) and the opiates that were dulling the pain (in simulted pain conditions, morphine was significantly more effective than THC (which was no more effective than placebo or THC combined with morphine)). But lets ignore all of those. It was definatelty the weed and nothing else.

She needs to smoke every 2 hours

Needs to? That sounds like an addiction to me.

while at the hospital she was smoking the marijuana out of a vaporizer for anyone on here that doesn't know what a vaporizer is a smoking device where you smoke marijuana with the vaporizer your inhale no smoke you put the marijuana in a heating chamber where it vaporizes the marijuana which also gives you a much better high

Which I'm sure the hospital was very concerned about. When doctors, nurses or pharmacists see their patients getting high theit first priority is how effectively they're doing it.

there’s also no odor like you normally get when you smoke.

Because that would also bew high up on their list of priorities. Not whether the THC is screwing with the drugs (more on that later).

Vaporizers are the cleanest and safest way for someone to smoke.

Can you prove that? You're making a bold statement. I'd like to see some evidence. Otherwise that's false adversitement.

Anyways they took offensive and said they were going to get the feds involved if she doesn't leave. While being interviewed outside she went into a seizure. How can any hospital do to their dying patients?

They can do it quite easily. See also: People needing an organ transplant being knocked back down the line. If Angel's stupid enough to smoke pot in a hospital and gets discharged because of it, so be it.

She is a medical marijuana patient and she’s smoking to help her live another day.

And when you're in hospital you should expect changed to be made to your daily routine. Like being in bed and not taking drugs that aren't on your hospital prescription. Such as the marijuana she was taking.

She doesn't know how much more time she has to live but with the marijuana its helping her see tomorrow

My heart bleeds for the poor little cancer patient who decided to break hospital policy and faced the consiquences.

You can't get a second hand high from the vaporizer.

Because there are no other risks associated with marijuana, right? There's no side effects or medicine interractions, right? Oh wait there are. I don;t give a fuck how this idiot was smoking her pot. If she was doing it on the ward then THC vapor was being released which could screw with the health of others on the ward. Getting other patients high is not a high concern at this point.

I use to own a vaporizer and they have no smell when you smoke.

The smell doesn't even enter the equation.

She also is a LEGAILIZED medical marijuana patient by the way so she’s not committing any crime.

Smoking tobacco is legal too, but you can't do that on the ward either. Alco, THC is a drug and has to be prescribed to be legal. When you're in hospital, your old prescriptions pretty much don't apply any more. Everything gets prescribed again or stopped. It's implicit by its exclusion from the prescription that the marijuana was not prescribed and thus wouldn't be tollerated.

The last thing she needs is to be drugged up on pain killers when marijuana has proven to have the most benefits for her.

Except for the fact that opiods are pretty fucking effective painkillers. The peer reviewed research comparing THC to morphine came out strongly in favor of the painkiller she'd be drugged up on.

Marijuana has more benefits then most pain meds.

Where's your proof of that?

Her primary care physician said someone like her needs it every two hours

Primary care physicians are not experts in anything. Secondary care physicians are. That is why primary care physicians refer patients to secondary care when they don't know what to diagnose. GPs are there to diagnose runny noses, sore throats and headaches. Same with community pharmacists. However doctors and pharmacists in hospitals really know their shit about the drugs used in their specialist area. Hell, it's part of a pharmacist's job on the ward to look at the drugs the patient is on, review their use and alter it as needed. Patients frequently leave hospital precribed completely different drugs to what they came in with. Secondary care trumps primary.

did you watch the video

No. Don't intend to either.

she went into a seizure for not being able to smoke her marijuana.

Because patients never incorrectly associate events in their lives to their medication. Oh wait, yes they do.

For someone like her she needs it to live and denying her from doing is only going to cause her more harm in this case you don’t really have a choice but to let her smoke.

Actually, yes they do. That's their job. If she wants to potentially screw with the treatment of herself and others by smoking weed, then quite frankly she can do it on her own time.

Even though you’re probably more likely to get struck by lighting and have a vending machine fall on you at the same time then a little bit of water vapor causing any type of serious damage.

In the general population, you might be right. However, hospitals don't contain the general population. People in hospital are generally in far worse health than the general population. People who are in bad health generally take medicines. 90% of medicines on the market are metabolised by Cytochrome P450s (CYP), CBD (cannabidiol) is known to be an inhibitor of CYP. Doing this could reduce other patients' metabolism of their cancer drugs, thereby affecting their dosage (and believe me, you do not want to fuck with levels of cytotoxic drugs). So yeah, she kind of is putting patients at risk.

If there so paranoid about the slight chance of the vapor causing damage then make a special room for medical marijuana patients to smoke when they need to every hospital in the world should have one of those rooms.

Or they could save money by putting a blanket ban on smoking anything on site. That way, nobody's inadvertantly screwing up their medication or putting anyone else at risk.

Prescription pills kills thousands of people every year when we still don't even have one death from marijuana.

There are so many ways I could call you an idiot with a sencence like this. I mean, pills haven't been used in decades, prescription pills covers everything from Alendronic acid to Warfarin, so of course there are going to be many deaths to patients taking them. But I'll stick with Marijuana might not have lethal ADRs, but that doesn't mean that it's any safer than those that do.

Marijuana is one of the best medicines in the entire world because with one plant you help out so many people for different medical purposes and you also can't die from it.

Where's your proof of that? If you want me to, I can give you all of my peer reviewed evidence (which means that at least two indipendent scientists have looked at the data, confirmed that there aren't any noticable errors) I've used in this post. Where's yours? I expect high quality evidence here Todd.

For a lot of medical marijuana patients they need it to live.

No. They need oxygen to live. They need food to live. Weed might improve their quality of life, but that is not the same thing as "needing it to live". A Type I diabetic needs insulin to live (so does everyone else, actually.)

These people aren’t thinking about getting fucked up these people a smoking because it saves their lives. These are very sick people It’s a night and day difference before and after when they smoke. More people need to be aware of all the benefits that this one plant can do

And again, I'm going to ask for proof about the efficacy of marijuana.

I mean grapefruit juice is healthy. Full of antioxidants and vitamins, not to mention it's one of your five-a-day. It also inhibits CYP, and for that reason people on a wide range of drugs are instructed not to take it. Get your head out of your asshole and realise that Angel was in the wrong here.
 
Let me break this down for you Remix style.



Except the cytotoxic drugs slowing the tumour growth (which marijuana has no proof of doing), the anticonvulsant drugs that reduce the likelyhood of her haing a seizure (no evidence that it does this either) and the opiates that were dulling the pain (in simulted pain conditions, morphine was significantly more effective than THC (which was no more effective than placebo or THC combined with morphine)). But lets ignore all of those. It was definatelty the weed and nothing else.

Marijuana has been proven to kill cancerous cells. All those other types of drugs cause all different types of side effects when there are so many less side effects from marijuana


Needs to? That sounds like an addiction to me..

It's not an addiction when it's used for medical purposes it's the only medicine that helps her live comfortably I hate for you to be in her situation and they called you an addict because you smoke every 2 hours


Which I'm sure the hospital was very concerned about. When doctors, nurses or pharmacists see their patients getting high theit first priority is how effectively they're doing it.



Because that would also bew high up on their list of priorities. Not whether the THC is screwing with the drugs (more on that later).

More reason why hospitals should have rooms for medical marijuana patients to smoke from a vaporizers Marijuana I feel it should be legal in all 50 states there’s so many different forms of taking it too. You can eat it although some people have claimed when you eat it that it takes a little longer to kick in. Eating is the safest way to consume marijuana and vaporizers are the safest way to smoke it. You can also juice it as a supplement similar to wheat grass. So there are many ways you could smoke marijuana in a hospital and not cause any harm to anyone


Can you prove that? You're making a bold statement. I'd like to see some evidence. Otherwise that's false adversitement.

marijuanavaporizer.com/vaporizer-benefits.html

there you go


They can do it quite easily. See also: People needing an organ transplant being knocked back down the line. If Angel's stupid enough to smoke pot in a hospital and gets discharged because of it, so be it.

Shows that we don't have the best health care, people have even been denied treatment for not having health insurance



And when you're in hospital you should expect changed to be made to your daily routine. Like being in bed and not taking drugs that aren't on your hospital prescription. Such as the marijuana she was taking.

Why change when it's working just fine for her she really doesn't have much time left so it should matter if she lives more comfortably with marijuana all those prescription drugs can turn a human into a human zombie




My heart bleeds for the poor little cancer patient who decided to break hospital policy and faced the consiquences.

that little reply you left from what you quoted on what I said makes you sound like you like it when people die from cancer



Because there are no other risks associated with marijuana, right? There's no side effects or medicine interractions, right? Oh wait there are. I don;t give a fuck how this idiot was smoking her pot. If she was doing it on the ward then THC vapor was being released which could screw with the health of others on the ward. Getting other patients high is not a high concern at this point.

There are so many less side effects with marijuana then any prescription drug


Except for the fact that opiods are pretty fucking effective painkillers. The peer reviewed research comparing THC to morphine came out strongly in favor of the painkiller she'd be drugged up on.



Where's your proof of that?.


I think all the side effects that all those hospital drugs cause when with marijuana with one plant you can have so many medical benefits that can do a lot of good with very few side effects I think the thousands of deaths caused by prescription drugs each year and the fact not even one person died from smoking marijuana






Primary care physicians are not experts in anything. Secondary care physicians are. That is why primary care physicians refer patients to secondary care when they don't know what to diagnose. GPs are there to diagnose runny noses, sore throats and headaches. Same with community pharmacists. However doctors and pharmacists in hospitals really know their shit about the drugs used in their specialist area. Hell, it's part of a pharmacist's job on the ward to look at the drugs the patient is on, review their use and alter it as needed. Patients frequently leave hospital precribed completely different drugs to what they came in with. Secondary care trumps primary.

I can guarantee any secondary physician would also say that she should be smoking marijuana for medical purposes



No. Don't intend to either.

Well maybe you should you'll see how she goes into a seizure in the middle of the interview because she did not have her marijuana



Actually, yes they do. That's their job. If she wants to potentially screw with the treatment of herself and others by smoking weed, then quite frankly she can do it on her own time.



In the general population, you might be right. However, hospitals don't contain the general population. People in hospital are generally in far worse health than the general population. People who are in bad health generally take medicines. 90% of medicines on the market are metabolised by Cytochrome P450s (CYP), CBD (cannabidiol) is known to be an inhibitor of CYP. Doing this could reduce other patients' metabolism of their cancer drugs, thereby affecting their dosage (and believe me, you do not want to fuck with levels of cytotoxic drugs). So yeah, she kind of is putting patients at risk..

If hospitals had a medical marijuana section we wouldn't have to worry about putting other patients at risk



Or they could save money by putting a blanket ban on smoking anything on site. That way, nobody's inadvertantly screwing up their medication or putting anyone else at risk.


Why not take some money out of the military budget we already waste too much money for military just look at all the money that when in to providing that pointless war where so many people were killed and we continue to waste money on the world's biggest failure the war on drugs. I say instead of wasting all this money why spent the money on something that can provide good


There are so many ways I could call you an idiot with a sencence like this. I mean, pills haven't been used in decades, prescription pills covers everything from Alendronic acid to Warfarin, so of course there are going to be many deaths to patients taking them. But I'll stick with Marijuana might not have lethal ADRs, but that doesn't mean that it's any safer than those that do

Prescription pills prescription drugs just about the same medicine thousands of people still die each year from prescription drugs and once again let me tell you the amount of people who died from marijuana 0



Where's your proof of that? If you want me to, I can give you all of my peer reviewed evidence (which means that at least two indipendent scientists have looked at the data, confirmed that there aren't any noticable errors) I've used in this post. Where's yours? I expect high quality evidence here Todd.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/92525-benefits-medicinal-marijuana/

That link gives a lot of information a lot it says how it causes fewer side effects and is much cheaper. There’s a lot more in the link give it a look for yourself if you want. I think the high quality evidence is the medical marijuana patients. Here are people who tried all this pain meds and different types of drugs that didn't much for them but when they started smoking marijuana it was a night and day difference. These people really need it like I said before there not smoking to get fucked up they smoke because it's the only medicine that helps them live



No. They need oxygen to live. They need food to live. Weed might improve their quality of life, but that is not the same thing as "needing it to live". A Type I diabetic needs insulin to live (so does everyone else, actually.).

If you were to take away some of these peoples medical marijuana they wouldn’t be the same. They wouldn’t be able to function properly without so they do need marijuana to live



And again, I'm going to ask for proof about the efficacy of marijuana


http://www.hemp-guide.com/index.html

There’s a link to all the benefits that hemp produces. You get hemp from the cannabis plant but it is completely different then marijuana

www.cannabissearch.com/medical_benefits

Other link explaining all the benefits read it yourself

You should check out both links


It annoys me when it just comes to the idea of legalizing marijuana when you hear people say things like marijuana is a fickle subject, my answer to that is no it isn’t and grows up and learn some facts it's been around forever hasn't killed anyone provided many health benefits it has. The same plant you can also produce hemp which can easily be said is the most useful crop in the entire world I feel that not enough people are properly educated on what marijuana is really like
 

Koture is correct in this instance, sorry to burst your bubble Todd, but the science across the board pretty much goes against the usefulness of medicinal marijuana at all. In reality the only reason the medicinal suffix even applies is because it's a way to back-door legalise it and put in some checks and balances.

If a hospital has a no smoking policy it has a no smoking policy. Over here in the UK you cannot even smoke in a hospital CAR PARK, nor a train platform or anything else. I'm a smoker, I deal with it. The hospital is well within their rights to refuse treatment to a patient who doesn't follow basic "don't be a dick" policies. Also water vapour is really not good for people in a hospital, water vapour is more effective at carrying bacteria for example, and areas with high concentrations of water vapour are more likely to have high sickness rates.

Do you really want air that can carry infections more easily floating around when you are having open heart surgery? Didn't think so, the policy was right, the patient was wrong, while its sad that her case is terminal, a conscious patient capable of making their own decisions regardless of illness cannot get different treatment, they're not a kid, there's no make a wish for adults. Angel fucked up.
 
I've got no problem with medical marijuana. If it can ease the pain inflicted upon people through disease or even help to treat them, then there's nothing bad about that in my opinion. Marijuana is still a hot topic. I've never smoked, never plan to smoke, but I do think that it will eventually be legalized on a national basis for medicinal reasons.

The thing is, however, this woman wasn't taking the potential risk to other patients in that hospital. As of right now, if the policy of this hospital is not to endorse medical marijuana or allow it to be used while on hospital grounds, that's perfectly acceptable to me. If it's ok not to permit smoking tobacco cigarettes on hospital grounds, something that's widely accepted and supported, then why should marijuana be given special treatment? Abortion is legal in the United States, yet not every hospital or clinic will provide them, especially if said medical facility is closely connected to the Catholic Church. Should they be expected to make exceptions?

It can cause be of medical benefit but it can also be a detriment to others. Anyone that says otherwise obviously has an agenda in which they care more about that agenda than facts. I'm a firm believer in people doing what they want with their own bodies. Whatever you want to do to it, whatever you want to put into it is your business. The exception, however for me, is when you want to do can have harmful physical effects to other people. You wanna smoke weed 2 or 3 times a day? Go for it as long as you're not putting other people at risk. I know a lot of marijuana supporters tend to look over this but, beleive it or not, other people do have rights too and they matter just as much.
 
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Marijuana has been proven to kill cancerous cells. All those other types of drugs cause all different types of side effects when there are so many less side effects from marijuana

There are documented studies that say otherwise. Marijuana decreases reaction time, increases ones heart rate, causes anxiety, depresses motor activity, causes audio and visual illusions, and much more. I'm all for the legalization of marijuana, don't get me wrong. But to pretend as if there aren't serious side effects from marijuana usage is just silly.

Further, there are marijuana related deaths in the United States every year. Just like when someone drinks and drives and kills someone, it's an alcohol related death. People have killed others just the same from smoking marijuana and driving, be it because of slowed reaction time or visual disruptions. Just like with alcohol, there's the potential to overuse.

It's not an addiction when it's used for medical purposes it's the only medicine that helps her live comfortably I hate for you to be in her situation and they called you an addict because you smoke every 2 hours.

This makes no sense whatsoever. Addiction is addiction, regardless of the reason you're addicted. I feel terribly for this woman, but if it's a necessity to take a chemical substance every so often or ill effects occur, it's addiction.

That's not inferring it's a bad thing. It's simply stating a fact. It's not putting the woman down, it simply falls under the category of being addicted.

More reason why hospitals should have rooms for medical marijuana patients to smoke from a vaporizers Marijuana I feel it should be legal in all 50 states there’s so many different forms of taking it too.

You can't legistlate to all hospitals what they can and cannot do. Some are privately owned, religious facilities, for example, who believe smoking marijuana is wrong. It's not as simple as you make it out to be. There are some hospitals that do permit it, and in this case, she should have gone there. As the article says, UCSF has a clear no-smoking policy. She violated that policy. It's a shame she had a seizure, but she broke their rules, and they had every right to remove her.

You can eat it although some people have claimed when you eat it that it takes a little longer to kick in. Eating is the safest way to consume marijuana and vaporizers are the safest way to smoke it. You can also juice it as a supplement similar to wheat grass. So there are many ways you could smoke marijuana in a hospital and not cause any harm to anyone.

But that wasn't the case in this situation. She wasn't eating it or juicing it as a supplement, she was smoking it.

Why change when it's working just fine for her she really doesn't have much time left so it should matter if she lives more comfortably with marijuana all those prescription drugs can turn a human into a human zombie

Because like it or not, people have to adapt to society's rules. I'm sure that the hospital would have provided her with something to keep her comfortable or prevent seizures such as benzodiazapines while she was there if she was compliant with their policies. That's the part you're not getting. It's not the hospitals job or responsibility to change their policy or bend their rules for one person. While she's in the hospital, her Primary Care doctor isn't in charge of her medication orders, it's the hospital doctors.

that little reply you left from what you quoted on what I said makes you sound like you like it when people die from cancer.

Did she die from cancer? No. Was he mocking her for her disease? No. He's simply stating facts: She was kicked out of the hospital and had a seizure because of her doing, not the hospital's. She had choices, and she chose to defy the hospital.

There are so many less side effects with marijuana then any prescription drug.

That's an incredibly bold statement. Then ANY prescription drug? I listed just some of the side effects of marijuana above, and that was off the top of my head.

when with marijuana with one plant you can have so many medical benefits that can do a lot of good with very few side effects I think the thousands of deaths caused by prescription drugs each year and the fact not even one person died from smoking marijuana

People DO die from smoking marijuana, as I pointed out above. They use it, they drive, their sense of awareness is lessened, and they wreck. There's a mural outside of my old neighborhood gates for a girl I went to high school with who was killed by someone who was driving high. He died as well. What do you attribute those deaths to?

And the reason people die from prescription drugs is the same reason they die from marijuana use. Abuse. It's not the narcotic aspect of prescription drugs that kill most, that's a common misconception. In cases like Vicodin or Percocet, for example, it's the Tylenol in them that you can buy over the counter that causes an overdose, not the hydrocodone or oxycodone.

I can guarantee any secondary physician would also say that she should be smoking marijuana for medical purposes.

Don't make guarantees you can't prove, because it makes you look very foolish. Do you even know what a secondary physician is? Fact of the matter is this; Her primary care doctor shouldn't even be the one prescribing her the marijuana, it should be her secondary care doctor. The fact that it is her primary care doctor creates doubt that her secondary care doctor believes she needs it. Why else aren't they prescribing it? Primary doctors are a jack of all trades, master of none. Which is why a secondary care doctor, or a specialist, should be the one prescribing the marijuana. He/she isn't, which raises red flags to me as to how much she truly needs it.

Well maybe you should you'll see how she goes into a seizure in the middle of the interview because she did not have her marijuana

This right here is the definition of dependency and addiction! Whether it be for medical purposes or not makes no difference, something bad happening because you don't have a drug is addiction.


If hospitals had a medical marijuana section we wouldn't have to worry about putting other patients at risk.

Why should they be forced to shell out incredible amounts of money for just a select few? What sense does that make?


Why not take some money out of the military budget we already waste too much money for military just look at all the money that when in to providing that pointless war where so many people were killed and we continue to waste money on the world's biggest failure the war on drugs. I say instead of wasting all this money why spent the money on something that can provide good.

You make it sound so simple. Funding for one branch doesn't just transfer to another branch at the snap of a finger. Don't derail this thread by turning this into bashing the money spent on the military or what you consider to be a "pointless war." That's a different topic for a different thread.

Prescription pills prescription drugs just about the same medicine thousands of people still die each year from prescription drugs and once again let me tell you the amount of people who died from marijuana 0.

People die from both, as Ive already shown you. Prolonged abuse of marijuana has also caused or contributed to schizophrenia, Bi-Polar disorder, and severe depressive conditions, which have caused people to take their lives. That's the effect of abuse of any drug. Argue it all you like, you're wrong. Marijuana kills. Just because its not in the way you're thinking of doesn't mean it's any less true.



That link gives a lot of information a lot it says how it causes fewer side effects and is much cheaper. There’s a lot more in the link give it a look for yourself if you want. I think the high quality evidence is the medical marijuana patients. Here are people who tried all this pain meds and different types of drugs that didn't much for them but when they started smoking marijuana it was a night and day difference. These people really need it like I said before there not smoking to get fucked up they smoke because it's the only medicine that helps them live.

I agree that there's concrete proof out there that medical marijuana can help to contribute to the quality of life of cancer patients. There's no disputing that. But marijuana, just like painkillers, don't keep people alive, they simply provide a more comfortable life from great sufferring.

I'm not denying that Ms. Raich gains usefulness from it, and it helps her quality of life by providing comfort, and even controls her seizures. But to say that marijuana keeps someone alive is as silly as you saying that people havent died as a result of marijuana.

If you were to take away some of these peoples medical marijuana they wouldn’t be the same. They wouldn’t be able to function properly without so they do need marijuana to live.

No, their quality of life would be less. But you keep confusing quality of life with keeping someone alive. You can throw all the links and articles at us about the positives of medical marijuana that you like, but until you show me one case study where marijuana is shown to keep someone alive, I'm calling B.S.


It annoys me when it just comes to the idea of legalizing marijuana when you hear people say things like marijuana is a fickle subject, my answer to that is no it isn’t and grows up and learn some facts it's been around forever hasn't killed anyone provided many health benefits it has. The same plant you can also produce hemp which can easily be said is the most useful crop in the entire world I feel that not enough people are properly educated on what marijuana is really like.

Fickle means to change one's mind frequently. Are you sure you didn't mean controversial?

You tell people to grow up when it comes to legalizing marijuana, yet you're the one who sounds like a child by insisting that everyone accepts your point of view. You don't put a second of consideration into the viewpoint of others.

Further, it is, a fickle, or controversial, whatever you care to call it, subject. Yes, hemp can be used to produce gasoline. Yes, it helps people with serious conditions out. But it also is an addictive substance, in that“long-term marijuana users can't stop using it even when it interferes in other areas of their life. There's a dependency factor, there's an abuse factor, and there's psychological and physical effects as well.

I get that you're trying to push an agenda here, and you're using Ms. Raich's condition as your vehicle for doing so. You're passionate about it, so more power to you. But all that can be said about this has been said already.

Bottom line: Ms. Raich knowingly broke a hospital rule. There are other medications that can treat seizures that kick in right away such as benzodiazapines that I'm pretty darn sure the hospital would have used if she had followed their rules and not gotten herself kicked out. But she didn't, and because of the choice she made, she had a seizure.

I feel awful for the poor woman that she has a brain tumor and is dying. But that doesn't excuse her from responsibility here.
 
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