Don't let one promo cover up the repetitive nature of raw

[Twanfusco]

I'm positive this has been a discussion before but I wasn't involved so hear me out. A while back raw was filled with guest spots, backstage antics and very little in ring action, it got repetitive. Now though, it's almost turned on it's head, there are very little backstage segments (excluding the pre-recorded roullette wheel) an there are some top quality matches, but it remains repetitive. Sure the stipulations in matches have changed from week to week but how many times have we seen these matchups in the last 3 months: swagger/Bourne, Sheamus/Bourne, Ziggler/Kingston, cena/Riley, del rio/big show, cena/truth, orton/punk. Every week instead of coming up with a new way to carry on a feud they just stick them in the ring together or against their partner and change the stipulation. We all complained there wasn't enough in ring action but it's the same people every week, give me matches between mid card and main event guys, between curtain jerkers and main event guys, you can still think up ways to further a feud without having the two guys who are supposedly going at it at the ppv, wrestle 4 times before that. There's been some good stuff on wwe tv lately, but it's like the formula for each raw is; come up with one great idea (I.e punk promo, rock return Ect) and just copy and paste the rest from last weeks raw.

We complained there wasn't enough wrestling and now there's too much of the same guys squaring off, but it's not whingy to want variety every week.

Note: This probably should have been in the raw section but the thesis behind it is more relevant to the wwe product.

 

[Maddog Lionheart]

I see where you're coming from but things are getting switched up just a little. Such as Cara/Bourne, Ryan/Bourne, Truth/Cena...... I think you should give them a little slack mainly because there are level of which a superstar is on. Mid Card-ers, Main Event-ers, Jobbers, etc...

 

[WWWYKI777]

I agree , and that 1 promo that lit up RAW this week is useless if that suspension and his leaving is all actually for real , then we just resume massive stale fail mode

Yeah they have done some new matchups , but not much with the matchups. Those matches are usually for no reason and no stipulations either

I will give them credit on ADR Vs. Big show in a cage w/ Mark Henry interfering , that ... THAT was something different and worth watching. 1st of all cause it involved 2 ongoing fueds and because it was a special match type and there was interference. So all around that was a good thing.

Sin Cara Vs. Bourne or whatever else you wanna mention though , whatever. The match was short and way less great than it could have been , they had the stupid dimmed lights on and for some reason I already knew Sin Cara was going to win (Hence predictable in that sense)

 

[Tequila Dave]

Personally, I'm perfectly content with Raw. Post-Wrestlemania shows often lack the same energy or excitement as those leading up to the event, but I think creative has done a good job at providing quality matches (I have thoroughly enjoyed the Randy Orton/Sheamus/Christian matches on Smackdown, as well as Kingston/Ziggler on Raw, even if they are ‘repetitive&#8217 and intriguing storylines (the turn of R Truth and Christian being highlights.)

And to address what I assume is your main point about superstars facing off too many times…it’s called furthering a feud. Every time two opponents face off, it adds to their history, and if they happen to be embroiled in a feud, it adds to hatred of each other. There’s nothing wrong with that as long as they provide solid matches and a payoff.

I’d say WWE is doing a good job at the moment; but I do understand there are certainly overly critical individuals who will find fault no matter what…

 

[3/4 Facelock]

I don't want one and done feuds. I want feuds that last a couple of months or longer. I don't want to see main eventers doing squash matches against local jobbers. Maybe a mid-carder vs a main eventer but we also get that somewhat.

I want to see guys duke it out 4 or 5 times or maybe even more. Eachtime they're in the ring together they have to do more. That have to make it more exciting. Plus they've got working time under their belt so they know eachother well enough to make the matches great.

I don't know where you are headed with your OP, but it sounds like you have a low attention span and could care less about the story. It sounds whiny even if you say it's not.

 

[DForce]

You are so right! It's the same shit, all of the time. How hard is it to write compelling TV when having a multibillion dollar company? What? Can't hire the right professionals, purchase the best resources, or reward the best talent? Give me a fucking break.

Really, WWE still has those He-Man ass villians that run from fights or cheat to win? But, of course, that's a product of Vince's old school mentality. This day and age bad guys should be tough, damn near unbeatable. That nemesis should hold that damn strap for a long, long time until some worthy superstar rises up and takes that bastard down.

And bring back the fucking managers. If a guy isn't good on "the stick", get him a fucking mouth piece for goodness sakes. If a guy's not so good in the ring but good on the mic, then get him a goddamn staple for fuck's sake.

By the way, WWE, please make the PG shit go far, far away. Really, you're pandering to parents that wouldn't let their children watch WWE, anyway. It's parents like me that stomach this PG crap, yet I purchase my son the video games, the action figures, the clothing, and yes, even the fucking "collectors' cups". WWE, you're catering to an imaginary market with that PG shit. I repeat: there are certain people that's going to dis prowrestling no matter what you do; likewise, there are dumbasses like me that's going to continue to tune in no matter what you do, and we're the one's getting the stiff dick up the ass.

Make-A-Wish I get it. It's a great thing; please continue to do it. But WTF is up with this antibullying campaign. Leave that shit to parents, teachers, and politians. Utilize your resources on making a decent product. Quit pandering to a "society" that doesn't give a shit about prowrestling. WWE, you're not a billion dollar company because shit like your antibullying campaign; you're rich because your fans are like Mrs. Weiner: we're going stick by you no matter how many times you screw around on us.

 

[silrock316]

I agree , and that 1 promo that lit up RAW this week is useless if that suspension and his leaving is all actually for real , then we just resume massive stale fail mode

Yeah they have done some new matchups , but not much with the matchups. Those matches are usually for no reason and no stipulations either

I will give them credit on ADR Vs. Big show in a cage w/ Mark Henry interfering , that ... THAT was something different and worth watching. 1st of all cause it involved 2 ongoing fueds and because it was a special match type and there was interference. So all around that was a good thing.

Sin Cara Vs. Bourne or whatever else you wanna mention though , whatever. The match was short and way less great than it could have been , they had the stupid dimmed lights on and for some reason I already knew Sin Cara was going to win (Hence predictable in that sense)

Useless? Umm with some do respect, that promo was BRILLIANT for CM Punk no matter what the outcome as I stated on another thread.

No company is gonna flat out change everything they do in one week. You people bitch and moan week in and week out that Raw is not interesting. So WWE or Cm Punk plant one hell of a seed with that insane promo and you want to shoot it down right away because the rest of the show wasnt GREAT? What do you want? Do you want PPV matches every week, do you want one giant long match for 2 hours with no segments for story telling? You sound like a spoiled never to be pleased brat.

If this is a work I GUARANTEE you that you will see a rating increase in the next couple of weeks as people are not sure whether it was a work or not. The last time anyone was more unsure of a wrestling matter it was the Outsiders taking over WCW.

If in fact it IS NOT a work. CM Punk and Impact Wrestling(Hopefully he'd go there) will greatly benefit from what he did as people will tune in just to see what he says and does.

I may have too much faith in CM Punks work but the guy is MUCH better than Hardy and he would have more of an Impact(no pun) than Hardy did if he switched shows.

That promo was the best promo and COULD possibly end up being almost as important as the Austin 3:16 promo. Dismissing it because WWE didnt run the show the way YOU want, is stupid.

 

[silrock316]

You are so right! It's the same shit, all of the time. How hard is it to write compelling TV when having a multibillion dollar company? What? Can't hire the right professionals, purchase the best resources, or reward the best talent? Give me a fucking break.

Really, WWE still has those He-Man ass villians that run from fights or cheat to win? But, of course, that's a product of Vince's old school mentality. This day and age bad guys should be tough, damn near unbeatable. That nemesis should hold that damn strap for a long, long time until some worthy superstar rises up and takes that bastard down.

And bring back the fucking managers. If a guy isn't good on "the stick", get him a fucking mouth piece for goodness sakes. If a guy's not so good in the ring but good on the mic, then get him a goddamn staple for fuck's sake.

By the way, WWE, please make the PG shit go far, far away. Really, you're pandering to parents that wouldn't let their children watch WWE, anyway. It's parents like me that stomach this PG crap, yet I purchase my son the video games, the action figures, the clothing, and yes, even the fucking "collectors' cups". WWE, you're catering to an imaginary market with that PG shit. I repeat: there are certain people that's going to dis prowrestling no matter what you do; likewise, there are dumbasses like me that's going to continue to tune in no matter what you do, and we're the one's getting the stiff dick up the ass.

Make-A-Wish I get it. It's a great thing; please continue to do it. But WTF is up with this antibullying campaign. Leave that shit to parents, teachers, and politians. Utilize your resources on making a decent product. Quit pandering to a "society" that doesn't give a shit about prowrestling. WWE, you're not a billion dollar company because shit like your antibullying campaign; you're rich because your fans are like Mrs. Weiner: we're going stick by you no matter how many times you screw around on us.

Dude while I agree with your managers coming back statement I have to wonder if you pay attention to the way the mainstream media views the WWE?

WWE has gotten buried for years by the media because of steriod use all the way to them not being a "real sport". Vince is doing all the bully and make a wish things to shine a better light on his company. ESPN has since featured WWE videos and wrestlers on their ESPN website. The only thing they printed about WWE a few years ago was how the WWE pushes their workers to abuse painkillers and things of that nature and it was "wrestlings" fault that Beniot took out his family.

Its not your business so YOU dont care what the media thinks but if it WAS MINE. I would try whatever I could to shine a brighter more positive light on my product because of bigger outlets are covering you, you might get a second look from a fan or a thousand who may have not cared before but respect what you do in charity and bang, you have a few more fans.

Is that so bad?

 

[Zigglerfan227]

I understand what you are saying and sometimes the WWE does have the same guys in a match over and over. However, most of the time I do not find things repetitive. If anything is wrong with Raw right now it's Booker T. Booker T has been way over the top recently. I am enjoying the feuds and matches that have been on Raw recently. I cannot complain. Smackdown has been more repetitive lately than Raw has.

 

[DForce]

Is that so bad?

Hey, I gave them props on their Make-A-Wish efforts; it's a noble and praise worthy thing. Those kids deserve that. As far as the bullying campaign, that's a waste of time. Like I said, let the parents, teachers, and politians concern themselves with that. Referring to WWE's antibullying campaign, one personality scuffed and called WWE the most womanizing organization in mainstream entertainment. So what's WWE going to do now, cut out the Diva's division to cater to that asshole? Dropping the acronym and just going with WWE? Taking the word "wrestling" out of the company? Man, I don't give a damn about what you say; WWE is trying to appease everyone but the "WWE Universe".

 

[Blue Chipper]

Blah, Blah, Blah. More internet nonsense. You want this, you want that. Vince knows what's good for WWE and fans worldwide are obviously pleased with the show. You might think the show is repetitive, but the majority loves it (evidenced by legions of fans watching it at the arena and on their tvs). All there's to say really.

 

[Twanfusco]

@Mr. Blue Chipper, so one persons opinion doesn't matter? Why are you registered on a forum then?

My original point is that we see the same matches every week, then on ppv, what happened to build up. Putting two guys in the ring every week together isn't building a feud. It also takes away from the actual ppv match. They got it right with punk/orton at least as punk stayed out his way until he had no choice at the ppv.

 

[Blue Chipper]

@Mr. Blue Chipper, so one persons opinion doesn't matter? Why are you registered on a forum then?

My original point is that we see the same matches every week, then on ppv, what happened to build up. Putting two guys in the ring every week together isn't building a feud. It also takes away from the actual ppv match. They got it right with punk/orton at least as punk stayed out his way until he had no choice at the ppv.

Your opinion is wrong. He said Raw was repetitive, and if it was truly repetitive, wouldn't you lose interest? And fans are still interested in Raw. They gladly hand over their money to WWE.

I don't know what's repetitive about Raw. There's no formula. Just last Monday we saw a groundbreaking worked shoot and someone being rammed through a cage.

I'm trying to take an objective stance on this and not let bias and opinion cloud my thinking.