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It's like the WHC, does it have the WCW lineage or not?

Love this comparison haha. No it doesn't, but I think they do have an FA Cup winner's medal in their trophy cabinet donated by one of their former players.

You mean Harry fucking Redknapp.

Well, in a way as he did it here to an extent too, but no. He was the manager, he doesn't spend the money, that's not how it works. It's the fault of the owners for spending the money and giving into his demands of spending far too much on players (which he is amazing still doing, as if spending £3m+ a year on Rio Ferdinand is a good move at this stage in his career).
 
I think the official line is that AFC Wimbledon are not Wimbledon, but a club associated with them and who respect the history, like Aldershot Town and the old Aldershot Town that went out of business, I think the FA Cup memorabilia etc actually belongs to the London Borough of Merton now, as MK Dons returned it. MK Dons are officially a new club formed in 2004.

The operating costs of a Premier League are higher because the turnover is exponentially higher, thanks to the Sky TV deal. The trouble is, when a club gets relegated, it will still have players on big wages and they can't rip up contracts. As a result, anyone they don't sell will have to be paid - that's what the parachute payments are for.

As for clubs going down the leagues, Luton I think are the team that have most recently been in the top flight and have since been non-league. Portsmouth looked like they were going to go briefly last year, and Bradford have flirted with disaster before, but both look to be on the upward trend now.

Teams like Oldham, and especially Swindon were relics of when the leagues were all pretty similar in standard, and a good manager could get you to the top flight and would never get to the top flight now without a series of fortunate circumstances. Nottingham Forest finishing 3rd in 1995 and Ipswich coming 5th in 2001 are probably the most competitive promoted teams we're ever likely to see in the premier league, unless someone sugar daddies a team all the way up.
 
As for clubs going down the leagues, Luton I think are the team that have most recently been in the top flight and have since been non-league. Portsmouth looked like they were going to go briefly last year, and Bradford have flirted with disaster before, but both look to be on the upward trend now.

Poor wording there.

Teams like Oldham, and especially Swindon were relics of when the leagues were all pretty similar in standard, and a good manager could get you to the top flight and would never get to the top flight now without a series of fortunate circumstances. Nottingham Forest finishing 3rd in 1995 and Ipswich coming 5th in 2001 are probably the most competitive promoted teams we're ever likely to see in the premier league, unless someone sugar daddies a team all the way up.

Us in 1994 too.
 
For all it's arrogance, the Premier League is doing a really good job of either losing out on top players that have been made available or not doing enough to bring players to the league from others.
 
A quick look on Wikipedia shows that of the 92 football league teams, 46 of them have played in the Premier League. I'd say that's a pretty good ratio of teams that have had their shot.
There's plenty of potential for the smaller teams to make progress with a good manager and the right setup (Southampton or Swansea of 6 months ago) but all too often these clubs sabotage themselves (Southampton or Swansea now). Before David Moyes, Everton were a perpetual relegation threat, now they're targeting the Champions League.

To be honest I'm gutted at what's happened to Southampton, because I want someone to put to death this idea that the top 4 are untouchable. They were by far the best candidate to make that break but Cortese leaving has destroyed them. Try to imagine Southampton with a team including Walcott, Bale, Chamberlain, Lallana, Shaw etc, they would have been a serious title contender.
 
I recall The Great Mark Bosnich saying on Fox Sports Australia one time that if a team gets relegated the wages all get cut. Just cant remember the amount it was either half, which sounds extreme and too high, or 10%. This was around the time Reading and several other clubs were swirling around Tommy Rogic, who eventually moved to Celtic had a great first game and hasnt been seen since.
 
They sold Chamberlain when they were in League 1 and Walcott after he had played 20 games in the Championship. Bale did not look the player he ended up being until Redknapp, out of ideas, played him on the wing against Fulham. Lallana was there all the way through the leagues and now they've got far more than he'll cost to replace when he's 26 years old.

Southampton have been very shrewd. They have sold two fullbacks who between them have only played 70 odd league games for the best part of fifty million quid. The worry is that Lovren and Schneiderlin etc. also want to go. You say the top 4 aren't untouchable, but Southampton were as close to Norwich who went down as they were to Arsenal who came 4th.

The reality is that since Euro 96, only 9 different teams have made it to the top 4 - Man City, Man United, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, Newcastle, Leeds, Everton and Spurs. Of those, Everton did it once and didn't get out of the Champions league qualifiers and the less said about Leeds the better. Aston Villa, probably the biggest club in the country after those 9, splurged millions under O'Neill, and still couldn't do it. City have spent the best part of 1 billion pounds to make it there.

Swansea and Southampton are both backed to the hilt financially. Southampton have found a way of breaking even - incredibly people seem to think that this is because they are some sort of super club - the reality is, Southampton is 80+ miles from every major club with any sort of youth set up so their catchment area is massive - they've brought through an average of one quality player every 2 years, which isn't really that incredible. Compare that to, say, Bolton or Wigan who both have 4 of the previously mentioned clubs within 25 miles, and you get the picture why Sotuthampton can operate the way they do.

People will always point to Everton as a shining light, but the truth is they have the fanbase and history other clubs can only dream of. They are one of the traditional 'big 6' along with Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea and Man United - the last time the top 2 of the league didn't feature one of those clubs was in 1981, the last season with 2 points for a win, when the league was much tighter. It has only happened 4 times since the 1950s, and on every occasion one of them came third.

The last time none of them came in the top 4? 1936

When Sunderland won the league from Derby, Huddersfield, Stoke and Brentford. Arsenal were the highest finishers of the big 6, in 6th place.


In fact, if you look at the top 2 from the since 1985, they have come from the 9 top 4 teams I discussed, Aston '10th best club' Villa and the Man City of the 90s in Blackburn. The last true 'outsider' to make it was Southampton in 1984.
 
They sold Chamberlain when they were in League 1 and Walcott after he had played 20 games in the Championship. Bale did not look the player he ended up being until Redknapp, out of ideas, played him on the wing against Fulham. Lallana was there all the way through the leagues and now they've got far more than he'll cost to replace when he's 26 years old.

Southampton have been very shrewd. They have sold two fullbacks who between them have only played 70 odd league games for the best part of fifty million quid. The worry is that Lovren and Schneiderlin etc. also want to go. You say the top 4 aren't untouchable, but Southampton were as close to Norwich who went down as they were to Arsenal who came 4th.

My point is that they've consistently brought these players through their academy and, had Bale etc been coming into Southampton 6 months ago, they'd have been in a far better position to keep them and build that team into a serious challenger.
Up until Cortese left, Southampton really were a perfect model of how to build a club into a serious force. They would have strengthened this summer, brought in more of the youth players, furthered their reputation as the place talent should be. Unfortunately that whole future has now been torn up and even the youth team are wanting out. It's a massive fuckup, when they really could have pushed that top 4 within a couple of seasons.
 
They haven't consistently brought these players in though - Southampton sold Walcott whilst I was still at school. Bale, Walcott and Lallana came through together 10 years ago, they aren't going to have stuck around through the League 1 era. The day before Bale played in the Champions League Quarter Final for Spurs, Southampton lost 2-0 in the league to Rochdale, is that not a better place for him? That's ignoring the fact that it's no exaggeration to say without the Bale and Walcott money, there wouldn't even be a Southampton, let alone a competitive one.

Cortese sold Chamberlain - he would have sold these too, for the money offered.
 
Cortese sold Chamberlain - he would have sold these too, for the money offered.

They were sold when they were in no position to hold onto them. What I'm saying is that they are now in a position where they can hold onto these type of players if they come through the academy, or they would have been.
 
They were sold when they were in no position to hold onto them. What I'm saying is that they are now in a position where they can hold onto these type of players if they come through the academy, or they would have been.

:lmao:

When a players want to leave for a 'bigger' club the parent club realistically can only hold on to the player for one or two more seasons. Even the biggest club in England can't say no to Real Madrid when they came knocking for Ronaldo.
 
It seems like another Man U legend has retired. This time it's Howard Webb.
 
Agreed with that, more and more noticeable last season. Wasn't a Man U thing (as much as I joke on about it) he gave some poor decisions our way when we beat them 3-1.
 
He's most known for showing bias towards United, and being in charge of most unruly World Cup final in history. Hell of a legacy.
 
Haha the Stadium of Light's fifa stadium has the faded pink seats.

SoL-FIFA.jpg
 
Charlton replaced the faded seats in their north stand with new red ones. I tried sitting in them the other day - for Valley 'Fun' Day - and could barely fit. If I can't fit in, how is Chunky Bob supposed to?
 
So, apparently Liverpool tried to buy Falcao and Monaco told them Real Madrid are almost done buying him.

So I guess Benzema is moving on to be overrated elsewhere.
 
Celtic have been put back into the Champions League because Legia Warsaw, who were already winning 6-1 on aggregate, subbed in an ineligible player in the 88th minute of the second leg. How bone-headed is that on their part? And how lucky are Celtic...again? This is the second time this has happened to them recent seasons (FC Sion a couple of years back did the same thing in the Europa League).
 

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