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[Captain Morgan Freeman]

As I pointed out clubs over here wouldnt sign Ameobi. And bringing in former big players brings in fans, more fans = more money, more money = better players. That's how you improve the quality of your league.

How many fans have Michael Bridges and Emile Heskey brought through the gates? Im sure just as many as Ameobi would bring in.
Also Del Piero is making 3.5 million a year so between 65 and 70 grand a week. Most of the money gained from fans going to see him will have to go towards paying his wages, his signing on fee and his agents fee. Also when Del Piero leaves the club a lot of the fans who go to see him will also leave and the same applies to most clubs who rely on one big name to bring the fans in. It's a short term boost.
Want to know how you improve the quality of the league? Invest in coaching particularly in youngsters.
And you get people in the gates through marketing, look at the English division 1 being re-branded as the "Premier League".

Also the players can teach things to the younger players which will then continue to improve the standard of the league as well as improving the national team.

You think Del Piero or any of the highly paid players are giving up hours every week after training to train the youngsters? Really?
And you think Del Piero is able to teach them much with his very basic English?
Once again coaching improves players and Del Piero isn't being paid to coach he's being paid to play.

Also pre-season does matter, look at Man United's pre-season last year/season and then look at their results. And if your losing 3-1 to a side newcastle united pump 4-0 your in a bit of shit

Firstly if you think the whole reason Man United did badly last season was down to poor results in pre season then you're an idiot. Yup lets totally disregard Moyes getting rid of most of the backroom staff and annoying the players in the process. Let's disregard the fact they couldn't sign any of the players they wanted and had to overpay for a midfielder who most of the fans didn't want. Let's disregard the fact their manager was tactically inept and decided to bombard with crosses a Fulham team who were perfectly set up to deal with crosses. Let's disregard their captain announcing he had already agreed to sign for another club and yet still kept the captaincy. Lets disregard Van Persie coming out and complaining about his team mates. No the whole reason for Uniteds problems last season were because they couldn't beat teams like AIK, Osaka and Yokohama!

And if you want any further proof as to pre season "results" being pointless, Man City lost 4 of their 7 pre season games last season and still won the title.

 

[Alastor]

Nobody would pay to watch unknown players if the league isn't already established. You think casual local fans are paying to watch lower division sides in the FA cups vs Premier league teams because they want to see John Doe of local team play or to see Yaya Toure or Van Persie visit?

Yes bringing in older stars in decline is a short term boost but this is something a fledging league can do to bring added exposure and more corporate sponsors. Most wouldn't even know there was a football league in Australia if not for the known names. Hiring former players IS the marketing. The 'rebranding' had more to do with a breakaway league negotiating better television deals than with getting people in the gates locally.

The older players can provide the local players and coaches with first hand experience of how much dedication is required to make it to the top level. It is one thing to hear about it but another to watch it daily in training. Assuming of course these players aren't just phoning it in. I'll admit many of the washed up players do phone it in but there are a few that really desire to continue to play to their best. If the local players are really serious about improving this can only help in their development.

It takes both to grow a league and improve the quality of the league but nothing is guaranteed. Without the local players being dedicated enough to improve their craft, there is not enough quality in every teams. Without the bigger names, the new league will find it hard to compete for attention in a world already saturated with football content from all over the world which makes it much harder to get the money from sponsors. Only consistent influx of big money will improve the quality of the league by providing better compensation to recruit and retain the better players and coaches across the league.

 

[Alastor]

Calum Chambers is valued at 16m pounds after 21 EPL games.

English premium indeed. But then again Southampton is flushed with cash after selling almost half of their team this summer.

 

[A11oftheLights]

How many fans have Michael Bridges and Emile Heskey brought through the gates? Im sure just as many as Ameobi would bring in. Also Del Piero is making 3.5 million a year so between 65 and 70 grand a week. Most of the money gained from fans going to see him will have to go towards paying his wages, his signing on fee and his agents fee. Also when Del Piero leaves the club a lot of the fans who go to see him will also leave and the same applies to most clubs who rely on one big name to bring the fans in. It's a short term boost.
Want to know how you improve the quality of the league? Invest in coaching particularly in youngsters.
And you get people in the gates through marketing, look at the English division 1 being re-branded as the "Premier League".

Firstly, are you Australian because if your not you probably know little of the culture of the sport over here. Secondly, what does a big name player bring, sponsors which brings cash. Thirdly, the idea is they come for the big name and then they grow an attcachment to the club and come back whne he leaves it's not that complicated.

You think Del Piero or any of the highly paid players are giving up hours every week after training to train the youngsters? Really?
And you think Del Piero is able to teach them much with his very basic English?
Once again coaching improves players and Del Piero isn't being paid to coach he's being paid to play.

Yes I do. I believe this because players have said it on many occasions. Del Piero even had conversations with Tom Rogic, who at the time was on another team, after a game about having to deal with the opposition repeatedly fouling him to stop his creativity.

Firstly if you think the whole reason Man United did badly last season was down to poor results in pre season then you're an idiot. Yup lets totally disregard Moyes getting rid of most of the backroom staff and annoying the players in the process. Let's disregard the fact they couldn't sign any of the players they wanted and had to overpay for a midfielder who most of the fans didn't want. Let's disregard the fact their manager was tactically inept and decided to bombard with crosses a Fulham team who were perfectly set up to deal with crosses. Let's disregard their captain announcing he had already agreed to sign for another club and yet still kept the captaincy. Lets disregard Van Persie coming out and complaining about his team mates. No the whole reason for Uniteds problems last season were because they couldn't beat teams like AIK, Osaka and Yokohama!

And if you want any further proof as to pre season "results" being pointless, Man City lost 4 of their 7 pre season games last season and still won the title.

I dont recall saying it was the whole reason, do you honestly think that a team's success depends on one factor. You just pointed out several factors. Some of which happened in PRE-SEASON. I'm not saying its the be all and end all but you cant possibly tell me that a good build-up to the season isnt important

 

[Lee]

Calum Chambers is valued at 16m pounds after 21 EPL games.

English premium indeed. But then again Southampton is flushed with cash after selling almost half of their team this summer.

It's a fucking joke, people go on about us for buying from abroad. We've just signed a player who played RB for the team who was third in the world cup for 5mil. It makes no sense.

 

[Blade]

It's the same as Exclusive Console Syndrome. In gaming, people will overrated a game severely if it's a console exclusive. Just like people will overrate a player if he's home grown.

 

[FunKay the Inevitable]

It's a fucking joke, people go on about us for buying from abroad. We've just signed a player who played RB for the team who was third in the world cup for 5mil. It makes no sense.

These are the same people who will spend two years championing the Premier League as the "best league in the world" and then moan their faces off about how "Johnny foreigner's are ruining the league" after England don't do as well as thought.

 

[A11oftheLights]

Arturo Vidal has reportedly made a verbal agreement with United
http://thebusbybabe.sbnation.com/20...vidal-manchester-united-transfer-rumours-news

Should this go ahead United would have now spent £105.8 million on 3 players as well as spending £37.1 million on Mata in January and there is still the chance of signing Mat Hummels. Either they crash and burn as the team fails to gel, they're hampered by injuries and fail or United are serious chances to win the title. With all this spending anything less than top 4 is a fail especially now that suarez has gone from liverpool

 

[Tastycles]

Chambers' isn't as ridiculous as Luke Shaw. £16 million for a youngster isn't totally ridiculous, Arsenal spent similar on the Ox and Walcott, neither of whom had any Premier League experience. Man United on the other hand have matched what they paid for Rio Ferdinand for a left back that their own manager doesn't think is fit. They've also sold Buttner, and inexplicably, Evra, so they have no other left back for him to learn from or play instead of should he be injured.

Shaw has never scored and got one assist last season. My favourite review of him last season was where the journalist said, trying to be positive "Luke Shaw looked really good, except his defending left a bit to be desired and he lacked a final ball". A commenter replied "so he ran around a lot and didn't really do anything?".

British players get lauded for no discernible reason so often. I'm picking on Shaw, but its a recurring problem. England are shit because players stop developing when they're about 17 here. Scholes' comments on Wilshere would have been true 15 years earlier about Joe Cole.

 

[Барбоса]

What ever happened to Nigel Reo Coker?

Was he the midfield version of Emile Heskey? On his day, a world beater but only had a maximum of three of those days in his entire career?

 

[Tastycles]

Most expensive uncapped player of all time I believe.

 

[Lee]

He was in Vancouver last I heard.

 

[Alastor]

At least he's still playing somewhere. David Bentley and Michael Johnson are both out of football and are much younger.

Joe Cole has had a great career. And he did develop a more rounded game during his spell in Chelsea. Don't know why he is lumped with Wilshere who has struggled to stay injury free. I think it is just the British media and fans being overly critical of younger players when they regress after making a splash initially.

James Milner has been a really good player for some time now and Michael Carrick has been great for United over the years but both of those players are used as punchlines over the years by fans and media alike for not being 'world class'.

 

[A11oftheLights]

I doubt Michael Carrick really gives a shit he's won all there is to win at a club level, you cant really say its his fault that England are utter shite(however should history repeat England will win 2022, which could also be on home soil depending on the whole Qatar deal)

 

[Dowdsy McDowds]

As a United fan, I'd take Milner over Carrick if that was an option.

Carrick has had some good performances in a United shirt but not many recently and seems like more of a liability than Milner.

 

[Барбоса]

I think Milner gets a bit of a raw deal.

The epitome of a good squad player.

Carrick I have never really rated.

 

[Lee]

Milner was class. Him going was the beginning of that horrendous season for us.

 

[Gelgarin]

Looks like Chelsea are going to double their money on Lukaku without actually having to make him play football for them. Good business.

 

[Blade]

I think they're gonna regret it.

 

[Dave]

I think they're gonna regret it.

I've always rated Lukaku as a player. Certainly much better than Torres (in his current form), Demba Ba and and aging Samuel Eto'o. That's why it was so fucking startling to see him leave for Everton last season. It's also why Chelsea found themselves short of first class striking talent. But honestly, Lukuka's days as a Chelsea player were numbered after he signed for Everton last season. Chelsea were always going to strengthen that aspect of their team this season and last season represented Lukaku's best chance to stake a claim for a first team slot. Very difficult to do when you're not even at the team.

In the end, they got a decent price for him and Everton have got a good player.

 

[Tastycles]

I can't help but think Chelsea are playing dangerously. Drogba is very old, and Torres has proved himself to be finished, having now been shit for an entire World Cup cycle. Demba Ba was a dependable and proven scorer, and Eto'o did a job. They are relying on Diego Costa, who has scored more than 10 league goals once in a season once in his entire career.

 

[Gelgarin]

I think the logic is that Chelsea aren't terribly reliant on their front man for goals. What Mourinho seems to want is a large physical presence who'll harry defenders in possession and move around off the ball, facilitating Chelsea's counter attacking. From that perspective, Costa seems one of the better options going, even if he doesn't find the net very much.

It's why Lukaku, who doesn't seem to understand the concepts of tracking back or moving off the ball, was never going to be the player Jose wanted. If you watched some of Chelsea's friendlys where he actually got to play from last year, you see Mourinho on the touchline bellowing at him to get back and do his job - with little to no effect.

 

[Барбоса]

A couple of times at the World Cup, Lukaku was exposed as the lazy big shite he can be.

I still think he could have done well at Chelsea but when that kind of money is on the table, take it and run.

 

[Dowdsy McDowds]

I may be wrong but wasn't Lukaku the only Chelsea striker to score at the World Cup?

 

[Loveless]

I may be wrong but wasn't Lukaku the only Chelsea striker to score at the World Cup?

I think Torres scored against Australia. Schurrle obviously got a few