Does it make you sad?

[AegonTargaryen]

In light of the recent injuries of Seth Rollins and Cesaro, I wanted to bring this up and ask you guys..

In the past, between 2002-2010, we were invested in so many wrestlers that it never occured to us that at any given point- Edge or Chris Jericho being out for a couple of months should hinder our joys and thrills from WWE programming. Think about it- that was a time when Shawn Michaels, Undertaker, Batista, HHH, Randy Orton, and unfortunately John Cena, were the legend/maineventers with a solid group of wrestlers like Jericho, Edge, Booker T(until2007), Kurt Angle(until 2006), and newcomers like Mr. Kennedy and CM Punk to always look forward to seeing.

Fast Forward to 2014- CM Punk's gone. Daniel Bryan's gone. John Cena is still around but I don't care.

A disconnected fan like myself watches Cesaro and he's like "WOW!". He watches Seth Rollins and thinks, "man this guy is good. Good like Shawn Michaels good". Obviously, when I got invested in Mr. Kennedy/Anderson, he got fired. Jack Swagger although entertaining(at one point) in the ring, never reached there. So basically, my reasons for watching WWE now were/are Cesaro and Seth Rollins, and Kevin Owens being a pretty entertaining heel. And then they get injured.

My question to you is:- Does the fact that there are only 2-3 wrestlers one can be invested in today as opposed to 10-12 wrestlers in the 2000s, make you sad, especially when they get injured?

And point out all that talent from NXT you want but most of those guys are under 6ft tall and will likely never be main eventers, and that includes Nelville and Kalisto and Finn Balor. That makes me want to ask:-

Considering the current main roster-including the injured Cesaro and Seth Rollins and absent Daniel Bryan, whom do you look forward to seeing on a weekly basis? You could even say Damien Sandow so just go ahead and list them.

 

[MERPER]

The state of WWE makes me very sad.

The lack of true star power is sad.

The lack of creative writing and storylines makes me very sad because they are incredibly lazy.

The lack of suspense, surprise, effort in putting out a good product makes me sad.

Mostly, I am sad there is no company to push them. They have a near monopoly on the industry and therefore, with no competition, they can put on a completely crap product whenever they want and it doesn't matter because they sell out the arena they're in and bring in millions.

 

[JoeMallard]

New Day and Kevin Owens. I would say Bray Wyatt, but I've almost given up on him. NXT has far more talents I can get behind than the main roster, which has a lot to do with the winners AND losers looking strong in.

 

[Xemmy]

Instead of answering your questions, I want to rant.

First off, how is The New Day not on your list of reasons to watch?

Second, while I feel like there are more guys to be invested in than the ones you listed, the analysis brings up an interesting point. At the end of the day, creative and the company have done the current talent roster an injustice. It's never been a lack of talent, that's for damn sure. Think of all the hot, top notch, EXCELLENT stars WWE created out of fresh blood in the mid 2000's. Randy Orton and John Cena are the only guys that stayed.

I watched the 2008 Royal Rumble today. Only 5 of the 30 entrants in that match are still wrestling on a regular basis. Cody Rhodes, Kane, The Miz, Mark Henry, and John Cena.
End of list. Everyone else in that match either left the company, retired, or died. And they failed to create new ones to replace them.

Further using the Royal Rumble as a measuring stick, because it's a damn good one: The only "young" (Let's be liberal here, I just mean new guys) rising talent to win the Royal Rumble in the last 10 years has been Roman Reigns and Alberto Del Rio. And they just got him back. Every talent that could have been used at the top and carried at this moment in WWE has walked out or been let go. CM Punk is of course the finest example of that. But you mention a couple others and I have a few as well. Mr. Kennedy. MVP. Jeff Hardy. Shelton Benjamin. John Morrison. Chris Masters. Bobby Lashley. I could go on and on and on. Some of these men were just teetering on the edge of the Main Event. Jeff Hardy was there even. And for one reason or another, WWE let these guys go, instead of making a solid future for the roster.

There is STILL a solid group of guys that are working. But most of them haven't been around that long. They're not booked properly. They're not used to the fullest of their ability. Some of them have even gotten to taste that main event. But they're there. Barrett, Sheamus, The Miz. All fine examples. And yet I don't even know what the Miz is doing now, despite the fact that the man beat John Cena for the WWE title at Wrestlemania. Wade Barrett was the hottest heel in the company from the moment he and the Nexus debuted on Raw, and for months afterwards. Yet ever since winning the King of the Ring his career has gotten worse. And Sheamus. Well, I suppose Sheamus is there. But he's been booked to be so damn uninteresting since his return that his cash in actually made me think on whether or not I'd rather just see Roman try and run with the title before he was ready.

Hell, the only guy that's even close to that level right that can cut a promo without the Authority holding their hand is Dean Ambrose.

So yeah. I'm sad. I thought it would be a cold day in hell before it came to this bullshit.

 

[ShinChan]

On main roster,
1. Antonio Cesaro- Injured...
2. Seth Rollins- Injured
3. Dean Ambrose
4. The New Day

I liked Bray Wyatt and still like him but because of his losing streak, i have given up on him...
I liked Kevin Owens but after his match with Cesaro at Summerslam, i have lost interest in him as i feel like he is being held back....

On nXt,
1. Finn Balor
2. Chad Gable & Jason Jordan
3. Samoa Joe
4. Apollo Crews

Sami Zayn & Hideo Itami are Injured so yes that makes me pretty sad

 

[yourdamnluck]

What really pisses me off is that guys like Rollins and Bryan got injured at the most crucial point of their career and del rio is back.
I'm really looking forward to the next couple of months. It's almost certain that roman is going to lose at TLC which means guys like Cesaro, Ambrose and may be Barret will finally get their dues.

 

[whalip15]

I cant believe people rate Dean Ambrose......I DO NOT buy him at all! Not one bit. I find his move set poor and his skills worse so. I often watch and see him miss the mark etc. The whole bouncing off the ropes clothesline etc jeeeeeeez! Hes a small guy, hes inter championship material nothing more. The whole lunatic thing came and went within weeks after the seth feud ended. He was entertaining, but i still didnt buy him being capable. Its a sorry state all round in WWE when we are debating it so much......they've destroyed everything.......stables, factions, alliances, title runs, Faces being cheered, heels being booed its not there....Hell we only see weapons on the lead up to TLC. Its like they dont exist the other 49 weeks of the year. Everything that was good about WWE is being dismantled piece by piece....and th ebetter they try to make it, the worse it gets. The tag titles, Inter, and US are becoming less and less relevant. Even the WWE Title is becoming a farce....sticking it on Seth was bad enough, but then sheamus..........jeez! Id prefer seeing a part time Undertaker hold it. The writers are absolutely killing the feuds and build ups....they've destroyed dolph ziggler for example....trying to pair him with lana, summer rae, rusev that whole angle was horrendous....and now hes going against tyler breeze (and losing) all because summer rae is there. I could go on and on......i think the majority of us out there could write better storylines and feuds.....

Recent burials:

Dolph
Ryback
Bray
Cesaro
Rusev

I could go on and on and on and on!

 

[Hollywood Naitch]

Yeah, it does sadden me a bit, especially when I watch the programming from 1999-2001 and see the depth of the roster and the star power that the company had back then.

When I look at the roster then, if there was an injury to someone like Triple H, The Rock or Stone Cold.....then we had Kurt Angle, Undertaker, Chris Benoit or Chris Jericho to enjoy- bonafide superstars who'd been booked like top players, or the stacked tag team division, or the entertaining Hardcore division.

Now, as soon as there are 3 or 4 injuries to top stars, the roster is looking incredibly weak when it comes to big names. Talent wise, the current WWE roster is strong but there has been so little star development over the past decade, there just isn't anyone who screams "mega star" other than Cena, Lesnar (who's part time) and 'Taker (who's on his last run). Bryan is pretty much done, Rollins and Cesaro are now injured, shitty booking is ruining Ambrose, Ziggler, Barrett and god knows who else.

The company needs to seriously rethink how they build stars, as having Sheamus as your top champion with very few options as challengers is not good.

Get on the phone to AJ Styles, Vince...get him in as soon as his contract in Japan is over.

 

[YatesA]

There is genuine top talent out there that could come in and shake things up. Samoa Joe, Finn Balor, James Storm, Asuka, Enzo and Cass all sat in NXT. Austin Aries, Christopher Daniels, Bobby Roode, Jeff Hardy, Shinsuke Nakamura, AJ Styles, the list is endless and you don't even need them all but failing to even make a play is testament to how much they don't care. Is one guy I previously mentioned more cringworthy and time wasting than Ryback?

 

[whalip15]

The problem again is these would all have to be built up....and WWE jus tcant build them properly!

 

[stingray11214]

The state of WWE makes me very sad.

The lack of true star power is sad.

The lack of creative writing and storylines makes me very sad because they are incredibly lazy.

The lack of suspense, surprise, effort in putting out a good product makes me sad.

Mostly, I am sad there is no company to push them. They have a near monopoly on the industry and therefore, with no competition, they can put on a completely crap product whenever they want and it doesn't matter because they sell out the arena they're in and bring in millions.

You could not be more wrong. There ARE companies that CAN push them COLLECTIVELY. That is if some of you sheeple would just embrace them. Or, even check them out. Have you ever been to an INDY show? I have. Have you ever been to RoH? TNA? Have you ever seen matches from Japan or Mexico? Have you ever watched on YouTube matches from around the globe? WWE plays to the 18-49 FEMALE demographic. That is why you have all these OVERT Hollywood-type soap opera stories. Not ONE of those writers in creative view or understand what the professional wrestling product IS. They think they are writing for Guiding Light or General Hospital. Granted, it has ALWAYS been like this since Hulk Hogan came onto the scene. However, it has NEVER been THIS obvious.

Sure, it is sad. It is a goddamned travesty. I actually LIKED Adam Rose's "party animal" gimmick. I LIKE Sandow far more than I ever did Santino. I LOVED Miz until they got idiotic with him (Anyone remember the BS "I Quit" match against Cena?). Daniel Bryan, who will never wrestle again, was a favorite. Now, other than Kevin Owens, I could care less. I am hoping that somebody with a brain would just put NXT on USA. I refuse to give WWE $0.01 just for NXT. I look for streams during and after. And, if I really cannot be bothered with a PPV, I just read the rolling commentary. There was a time that I would not have had a problem dropping $40-50. I was at WWE New York when Chris Jericho beat the Rock and Austin. I dropped almost $100 that day. Man, I felt like Custer at the Little Bighorn when The Ayatollah of Rock n' Rolla won. I marked out like crazy. But, it was worth it. Jericho is still a favorite of mine. Now, the only ones I care about: Uhaa Nation, Enzo and Big Cass, Balor, Joe, and of course, Asuka and Emma, are in NXT with almost no hope of making the Main Roster.

However, that is why I have gravitated to Indy shows. My wife and I dropped almost $200 for autographs and pics at PWS. Had to blow off the tables at Field of Honor (Love the Bucks. Was not going to wait 2 hours to get pics with them). Indy shows are fun shows. And, the enthusiasm is contagious. Sure, you see kids there. But, those kids are more likely to say "Cena sucks" and then tell you how much they love the Bucks or Bullet Club. Again, those that bought the tickets KNEW they had options.

You want WWE to change for the better? Do you really want WWE, a public company traded on Wall Street, to do a better job of putting out stars with honest to goodness booking where Creative (I despise that term when it comes to wrestling) actually has to put in EFFORT? Then you, and the lot of you on this board, need to ask yourselves this question: Are you a fan of Sports Entertainment? Or, are you a fan of Pro Wrestling? There IS a difference. Sports Entertainment is all about the glitz and glamour of Hollywood. The bright lights, the big stage, the guest hosts, the scripted promos, Soap opera-type storylines. Oh, BTW, they also have a wrestling match going on. Pro wrestling is just that. 2-3 minutes of quick promos, a match, a little commentary, the curtain closed a bit. Wash, rinse, repeat.

If you can answer the former, then you are getting what you asked for: i.e. a TV program. When they take their show on the road, they are not going to deviate from the TV program. Do you think that Sesame Street Live will have Elmo living in Oscar's trash can? Or, all the adults on Sesame Street will FINALLY get to meet Mr. Snuffleupagus? Do you think that Nickelodeon would have encouraged the Fresh Beat Band to do a cover of Immortal's "Sons of Northern Darkness" while on tour? So, why should WWE deviate from their TV program?

However, if you are a fan of Professional Wrestling, YOU HAVE OPTIONS! RoH, Chikara, Evolve, CW from Hollywood, or even an Indy promotion in your area. You'll see some of your old favorites. Find some new ones. Even see matches you thought could never have been booked. And, you will be hanging with real fans of PRO WRESTLING, and not the casuals who are basically sheep and follow anything. And, it is money NOT going to Stamford. Do you want to know how pissed VKM was when NXT had their show in Brooklyn, and 5,000 people took their business to TWO other promotions that had cards within a 35-mile radius of Barclay's? THAT my friend is how you get them to change. Spend your hard earned money elsewhere, and Stamford will take notice.

 

[Fire Marshall Bill]

This thread is based off the assumption that everyone feels the same way as the OP. Who says because you only like a few guys that everyone does also? Typical around here I guess.

But I'm sure absolutely no one looks forward to seeing:

Roman Reigns
Ryback
Tyler Breeze
DZ
The Divas
Wade Barrett
Sheamus
HHH
Undertaker
Lesnar
Neville
Dean Ambrose
New Day
Dudley Boyz
The Usos
Lucha Underground

I mean, should I go on through the rest of the roster, or have I proven well enough that not everyone has your opinion?

But I guess it's impossible to stop being a picky little whiner for a few hours and enjoy the show.

 

[SSJPhenom]

It is a grim scenario indeed. We've had so many guys come through the WWE over the years that right now, I thought we, as fans, should have plenty of superstars to choose from. I mean Shelton Benjamin, Jeff Hardy, Mr. Kennedy, MVP, Bobby Lashley, Daniel Bryan, CM Punk, the Miz, Wade Barrett, Bray Wyatt, Ceasaro, and so on have all been either on the rise or even at the top of the card at one point or another. For one reason or another they have been let go, they've walked out, or they just fell off and I can't figure out why. A lot of fans like to say that the WWE just holds these guys back and in the case of some of them that is certainly the case. There is no reason why people like Shelton Benjamin, the Miz, or Bobby Lashley shouldn't be wrestling in the WWE right now at or around the top of the card. Daniel Bryan is the biggest example of this. Bryan insists that he is healthy and that he's ready to go and that his doctors have cleared him. The WWE, though, tell a different story in that they're not ready to bring him back yet. Idk who to believe, but if you listen to Bryan, its WWE dragging their feet and holding him back for some reason.

I understand why people like to bitch about the WWE's use of part time performers and legends, however, surely you can see why they have to use them. They literally have nobody else to use. If the WWE tried to have a Wrestlemania just with the roster that they currently have without a 'Taker, Lesnar, Sting, or others, there is no way that it would be successful. They'd have matches that the fans wouldn't be interested in and so forth. Its WWE's fault though. They've put themselves in this situation by not building enough top teir talent throughout the years and there's only one way that they're going to get out of this current situation; and that's to build more talent. They have the tools and they certainly have the know how because they've done it so many times before. All they need is the balls to take a chance on people and in that case, we may be waiting for quite a while.

Its a grim situation indeed.

 

[Iversen]

In light of the recent injuries of Seth Rollins and Cesaro, I wanted to bring this up and ask you guys..

In the past, between 2002-2010, we were invested in so many wrestlers that it never occured to us that at any given point- Edge or Chris Jericho being out for a couple of months should hinder our joys and thrills from WWE programming. Think about it- that was a time when Shawn Michaels, Undertaker, Batista, HHH, Randy Orton, and unfortunately John Cena, were the legend/maineventers with a solid group of wrestlers like Jericho, Edge, Booker T(until2007), Kurt Angle(until 2006), and newcomers like Mr. Kennedy and CM Punk to always look forward to seeing.

Fast Forward to 2014- CM Punk's gone. Daniel Bryan's gone. John Cena is still around but I don't care.

A disconnected fan like myself watches Cesaro and he's like "WOW!". He watches Seth Rollins and thinks, "man this guy is good. Good like Shawn Michaels good". Obviously, when I got invested in Mr. Kennedy/Anderson, he got fired. Jack Swagger although entertaining(at one point) in the ring, never reached there. So basically, my reasons for watching WWE now were/are Cesaro and Seth Rollins, and Kevin Owens being a pretty entertaining heel. And then they get injured.

My question to you is:- Does the fact that there are only 2-3 wrestlers one can be invested in today as opposed to 10-12 wrestlers in the 2000s, make you sad, especially when they get injured?

And point out all that talent from NXT you want but most of those guys are under 6ft tall and will likely never be main eventers, and that includes Nelville and Kalisto and Finn Balor. That makes me want to ask:-

Considering the current main roster-including the injured Cesaro and Seth Rollins and absent Daniel Bryan, whom do you look forward to seeing on a weekly basis? You could even say Damien Sandow so just go ahead and list them.

Kurt Angle, Shawn Michaels, Daniel Bryan and CM Punk were all under 6 feet tall and yet you list them as being main eventers and believe that Finn Balor won't be one because of that? Doesn't make much sense.

I digress, however, I think there is a point to what you say, WWE has done a bad job of building up wrestlers and the injury crisis is showing that. There are still plenty of people I enjoy watching wrestle, though. Ambrose, Owens, Barrett, Lesnar, Wyatt, Harper, Neville, Rusev and Breeze are all great talents and that's just off the top of my hand. Most of them are not in the main-event but they are on TV every week and are well worth watching. It's all down to personal taste of course, but there are still plenty of wrestlers I enjoy watching.

 

[DetectiveZelix]

I'd have to agree with the OP, in terms of my personal entertainment there really isn't anyone I find worth enjoying, maybe Kevin Owens and Brock Lesnar but Rollins, Cesaro and Bryan injured so that sucks. I enjoy Bray Wyatt to an extent but it's hard to get into him when he loses all his feuds.

New day are horrible coons man. Complete sellout slave for the massa. I mean seriously as an African-American it shames me to see the way these houseboys are acting. Used to be invested in Big E as a strong confident wrestler and X as Consequences creed. Kofi was always a joke

But either way Sheamus is lame, Roman is boring, H and Steph need to stay off TV. Dudleyz need to retire oh, Kane and Taker too. Mix has been played down. Ryback is average. Lucha guys are OK and Neville is cool as well. The divas are being given terrible story lines. WWE as a whole has been plummeting for the last 10 years in my opinion

 

[AegonTargaryen]

This thread is based off the assumption that everyone feels the same way as the OP. Who says because you only like a few guys that everyone does also? Typical around here I guess.

But I'm sure absolutely no one looks forward to seeing:

Roman Reigns
Ryback
Tyler Breeze
DZ
The Divas
Wade Barrett
Sheamus
HHH
Undertaker
Lesnar
Neville
Dean Ambrose
New Day
Dudley Boyz
The Usos
Lucha Underground

I mean, should I go on through the rest of the roster, or have I proven well enough that not everyone has your opinion?

But I guess it's impossible to stop being a picky little whiner for a few hours and enjoy the show.

And I'm pretty sure one can think one is a total smartass while being a total moron just like you prove by your post.

If you re-read the damn thread, you might get the gist of it...it being that while a roster may comprise anywhere from 20-60 wrestlers, one is mostly devoted to their own select group of wrestlers, and most of the times it's heavyweight wrestlers/maineventers/technical wrestlers, the ones the WWE/company chose to play that role or who, by the sheer virtue of their in-ring ability attract us towards them(Rob Van Dam for me in the 2000s, Daniel Bryan for most of the IWC between 2012-2014). Tell me, if this were 1995, you damn sure would switch on to see either of Bret Hart/Shawn Michaels/The Undertaker/Diesel, and NOT Doink the Clown right?

As far as your list of wrestlers, let me go at 'em one by one.

1)Roman Reigns. While he has potential, he doesn't have the persona/charisma/mic skills that I can relate to and right now, and I'm sure most people would agree which is why the whole Roman Reigns fans/detractors dichotomy exists. To sum up, I simply don't find him as a major reason to watch, unlike when CM Punk was around, or when Randy Orton was an unpredictable viper in 2009.

I'd like to add Sheamus to this category of "not really interested in" as well.

2)Ryback. Total Garbage. No potential. Just a big walking balloon of muscle and stiffness.

3)Dean Ambrose and Wade Barrett have potential but neither of them have done anything substantial for me to choose them as WWE's attractions. And does WWE even consider them so?

4)HHH and The Undertaker aren't featured monthly let alone WEEKLY as active competitors, so that's pretty invalid. And please forget about the Undertaker's retirement tour victory over the Wyatt family.

5)The Divas. I don't care about the Divas division.

6)New Day/Dudley Boys/Luchas..tag team division. At what point in history did a wrestling company ever revolve around a fucking tag team? While I enjoy/appreciate tag team wrestling, the biggest storylines/wrestling matches in the entire history of wrestling have been singles matches, period. People want to watch their HERO kick the villains ass, whether it's for the WHC or whether it's a story of redemption(HBK/HHH from 2002). So there.

 

[AegonTargaryen]

Kurt Angle, Shawn Michaels, Daniel Bryan and CM Punk were all under 6 feet tall and yet you list them as being main eventers and believe that Finn Balor won't be one because of that? Doesn't make much sense..

Boy oh boy oh boy oh boy! I really really really really didn't mean to stir a STATURE vs potential to be a maineventer debate here. What I meant was, statistically speaking, very few guys who're built like a cruiserweight, especially if they're lesser than 5'10 will ever be maineventers/heavyweight champions for a sustained period of time. Think of Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit(who weighed 220 lbs and looked pretty solid though).

As for Kurt Angle, Angle is a wrestling God. He's like this uncanny person who regardless of him being under 6ft, seemed like he belonged in the ring with the likes of Brock Lesnar, Austin, HHH, and pretty much everybody. And do you remember how beefed up and legitimately strong he was back in the 2000s?

Daniel Bryan, admittedly was an exception. But kayfabe or not, didn't he suffer humiliation countless number of times from HHH/Vince/Heel wrestlers for being 5'8 and tiny? I will admit though that I didn't really have a problem with him as WHC merely on account of his stature.

Shawn Michaels and CM Punk are both somewhere between 5'11 1/2-6'1. So yeah, they were always tall enough.

But tell me, would you ever really believe in Kofi Kingston, Kalisto, Nelville, and pretty much any cruiserweights from NXT as the WWE WHC/main eventers, as opposed to Seth Rollins, Roman Reigns, Wade Barrett, or Brock Lesnar?

 

[AegonTargaryen]

First off, how is The New Day not on your list of reasons to watch?

Haha! While New Day are very very entertaining to watch, I intended this thread to be more about singles/heavyweight/potential champions wrestlers, basically singles stars to whom one could look forward to see win championships or whatever. That means, pretty much guys like Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels and Daniel Bryan, Seth Rollins and CM Punk(damn) from the modern era. Of course one can look forward to seeing their most entertaining favourite tag team/comedy faction on a weekly basis as well!

Second, while I feel like there are more guys to be invested in than the ones you listed, the analysis brings up an interesting point. At the end of the day, creative and the company have done the current talent roster an injustice. It's never been a lack of talent, that's for damn sure. Think of all the hot, top notch, EXCELLENT stars WWE created out of fresh blood in the mid 2000's. Randy Orton and John Cena are the only guys that stayed.

I watched the 2008 Royal Rumble today. Only 5 of the 30 entrants in that match are still wrestling on a regular basis. Cody Rhodes, Kane, The Miz, Mark Henry, and John Cena.
End of list. Everyone else in that match either left the company, retired, or died. And they failed to create new ones to replace them.

Further using the Royal Rumble as a measuring stick, because it's a damn good one: The only "young" (Let's be liberal here, I just mean new guys) rising talent to win the Royal Rumble in the last 10 years has been Roman Reigns and Alberto Del Rio. And they just got him back. Every talent that could have been used at the top and carried at this moment in WWE has walked out or been let go. CM Punk is of course the finest example of that. But you mention a couple others and I have a few as well. Mr. Kennedy. MVP. Jeff Hardy. Shelton Benjamin. John Morrison. Chris Masters. Bobby Lashley. I could go on and on and on. Some of these men were just teetering on the edge of the Main Event. Jeff Hardy was there even. And for one reason or another, WWE let these guys go, instead of making a solid future for the roster.

There is STILL a solid group of guys that are working. But most of them haven't been around that long. They're not booked properly. They're not used to the fullest of their ability. Some of them have even gotten to taste that main event. But they're there. Barrett, Sheamus, The Miz. All fine examples. And yet I don't even know what the Miz is doing now, despite the fact that the man beat John Cena for the WWE title at Wrestlemania. Wade Barrett was the hottest heel in the company from the moment he and the Nexus debuted on Raw, and for months afterwards. Yet ever since winning the King of the Ring his career has gotten worse. And Sheamus. Well, I suppose Sheamus is there. But he's been booked to be so damn uninteresting since his return that his cash in actually made me think on whether or not I'd rather just see Roman try and run with the title before he was ready.

Hell, the only guy that's even close to that level right that can cut a promo without the Authority holding their hand is Dean Ambrose.

So yeah. I'm sad. I thought it would be a cold day in hell before it came to this bullshit.

I agree with pretty much everything you state here. The Royal Rumble analysis is very interesting as it is something I used to do in the past myself. Sometimes I'd go through the wikipedia page of a given Rumble and think of all the wrestlers in it, say, Snitsky..and conjure up their entire career, potential, no potential and so on.

To add to some of your points you brought up here, I'd like to begin with:-

The Miz. While the miz being given the championship and victory over John Cena at WM27 was a total disaster and Miz never being championship material, I see your point. It's something that could be thought of about so many other wrestlers right now. Wade Barrett was supposed to be so much in 2010 and 5 years later, he's practically nothing. All those mainevents with John Cena and Randy Orton, and they basically flush it down? What it comes down to is factors like lack of consistency in whom to push, heavy reliance on Cena/Orton and part-timers between 2010-2013 , and lack of a vision. Fortunately for us, they're being consistent with at least two new stars in Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns.

But yeah, as diehard wrestling fans, we can only regret that none of the potential stars/existing stars we were invested in were taken care of so as to lead to their departures..and that for me includes the likes of CM Punk, Rob Van Dam(who was never allowed to really be the guy, despite the drugs issue), Mr. Kenndy/Anderson, and now even Jack Swagger(who most likely will not renew his contract).

 

[Un-Bo-Lievable Jeff]

I can see where you are coming from, but the opinion of 2-3 is your own. Everyone will have a different opinion about who they are excited about.

Cesaro is good in the ring but I don't personally feel that excited about seeing where he is going because it seems the answer is nowhere soon.

I'm not a Cena hater and after his US open challenge I am slightly interested to see what he does when he comes back.

New Day have turned me, great week in week out but feel they don't have any other group to bounce off and need a solid feud.

Current stars who I'm excited about - Owens, Seamus (now as champ I am to see where this goes) Wyatts (as I hope for once they dominate a feud) Goldust/Stardust (as I think that story could reignite) Tyler Breeze and finally.........Reigns to see where this story ends up. Still have a feeling it'll be a shield triple threat down the line

 

[George Steele's Barber]

You make basically this same thread every couple of months. We get it, you liked WWE better at a particular point in time. It may have been a time when you were new to the product or developing your tastes in entertainment. Personally I struggled to invest myself in the time period from 2002 to 2010 and didn't really keep up too much.

Were there better superstars in 2002 to 2010 compared to November 2015? Of course, but is it really fair to compare the two? It is November for crying out loud. Almost always a terrible period of the year for WWE. Throw in the injuries, Cena's time off, PG, the Divas experiment, the part timers not being around and the other changes in the product as technology and socialization changes and you really should not be surprised that WWE may not be your cup of tea. Should it make you sad? I hope not. Frustrated, annoyed, disinterested? Sure, but it is pretty sad if your growth and WWE's evolution make you sad.

 

[SSJPhenom]

The Miz. While the miz being given the championship and victory over John Cena at WM27 was a total disaster and Miz never being championship material, I see your point. It's something that could be thought of about so many other wrestlers right now.

While I’ll agree that there are a lot of guys that one could say was a total disaster and maybe shouldn’t have been champion. In my opinion, however, the Miz is not one of them. I actually found his title reign to be quite entertaining and fresh and I thought he deserved to be champion. He was gold on the mic, he was good in the ring, and back then the character that he was playing was a great heel. I’ll never forget the face that little girl made when he won the championship. The Miz was definitely over at that point, however, he’s just another example of the WWE ruining a good thing. There is no reason why the Miz shouldn’t be over right now. That’s just my opinion though.

 

[Fire Marshall Bill]

As far as your list of wrestlers, let me go at 'em one by one.

1)Roman Reigns. While he has potential, he doesn't have the persona/charisma/mic skills that I can relate to and right now, and I'm sure most people would agree which is why the whole Roman Reigns fans/detractors dichotomy exists. To sum up, I simply don't find him as a major reason to watch, unlike when CM Punk was around, or when Randy Orton was an unpredictable viper in 2009.

I'd like to add Sheamus to this category of "not really interested in" as well.

2)Ryback. Total Garbage. No potential. Just a big walking balloon of muscle and stiffness.

3)Dean Ambrose and Wade Barrett have potential but neither of them have done anything substantial for me to choose them as WWE's attractions. And does WWE even consider them so?

4)HHH and The Undertaker aren't featured monthly let alone WEEKLY as active competitors, so that's pretty invalid. And please forget about the Undertaker's retirement tour victory over the Wyatt family.

5)The Divas. I don't care about the Divas division.

6)New Day/Dudley Boys/Luchas..tag team division. At what point in history did a wrestling company ever revolve around a fucking tag team? While I enjoy/appreciate tag team wrestling, the biggest storylines/wrestling matches in the entire history of wrestling have been singles matches, period. People want to watch their HERO kick the villains ass, whether it's for the WHC or whether it's a story of redemption(HBK/HHH from 2002). So there.

So, again, entirely your opinion, right?

I mean seriously, as GSB hinted towards, this thread reeks of "I want my favorite era back!! " The end.

 

[J.D Lethal]

The lack of stars are based one 3 things...Fans Over(Which target audience), Merch Sold, and Company. Each falls upon The Wrestler himself, US as Fans and Management. Yes the lack of stars hurts WWE cause now they look like a traveling Circus of Mid Cards but at the same time someone will also rise to the "Cream of Crop" and be pushed..Look at Ceasro he is a fan fave,Management is looking at him favorable and his Merch is starting to sell...Problems with Dolph is his Injury history..He's Over sells Merch but the company isnt sold on him anymore..but those are examples you also have to the outlier of Gimmick and Storylines but yea.

 

[AegonTargaryen]

You make basically this same thread every couple of months. We get it, you liked WWE better at a particular point in time.

You've got to be kidding me. The same thread every few months? Really?
A few months ago, I didn't even make a thread because I was practically absent from both Wrestlezone forums and WWE programming for almost a year. It's Seth freakin Rollins and Cesaro that caught my eye and made me once again login here and watch WWE.

May be if you possessed better comprehension skills like 8 other people who replied to this thread, you could've actually contributed to the discussion at hand. Clearly, Cesaro and Rollins are injured NOW, and not every few months for people to come on here and make the same threads as you claim I do.
This might come as a surprise to you, but NOT every thread here is similar and NOT every negative thread is meant solely to whine and complain that WWE sucks.

 

[AegonTargaryen]

So, again, entirely your opinion, right?

I mean seriously, as GSB hinted towards, this thread reeks of "I want my favorite era back!! " The end.

Actually, it reeks of "We really regret Cesaro and Seth Rollins are injured and Sheamus is as boring as ever".

Perhaps all of the others who have written paragraphs over paragraphs of bitterness as diehard wrestling fans and myself are fools right?

You should really consider not posting in a thread where you don't have anything intelligent or meaningful to contribute but just lamely hurl illogical claims at.