Do We As Fans Have the Right?

[SSJPhenom]

Basically, I was told to start this thread by Slyfox!

My question is: Do we as fans have the right to cheer and boo who ever we please?

I just want to know everyone else's thoughts.

 

[Freedom 35]

Basically, I was told to start this thread by Slyfox!

My question is: Do we as fans have the right to cheer and boo who ever we please?

I just want to know everyone else's thoughts.

Id say we do but to a certain extent. at summerslam the fans were allowed to boo John Cena all they wanted but at other shows they have put cheers in over the boos because they havent gotten the reaction Vince wanted. so id say we have a right to cheer or boo whoever we want. Just barely though

 

[Mad Metal]

Yes we do. It's common sense that the WWE, like any other promotion, would like for the audience to cheer the baby faces. It's not like the WWE is trying to hide the fact that the fans might not like Cena with massive boos. It's not like the WWE is editing out the boos towards Cena in WWE DVD's or rigging the WWE.com poll when majority of the fans voted for Cena to be stripped from the title.

Of course Cena isn't the only one for the fans to boo the baby face. Look at Batista at times. Oh yeah, who can ever forget The Rock? I wasn't on forums at the time to share opinions, however I felt that The Rock was shoved down everyone's throat including mine for quite some time which is why I started to no longer care for The Rock back in 2002 when everyone started to boo him when he was the baby face.

I'm sure if we don't have the right that they would throw people out of the building by security guards but never once did I ever see or hear that happening.

I'm sure this would be exactly the same with any other promotion.

 

[SSJPhenom]

Slyfox argued that if we were going to boo Cena then we shouldn't go and ruin it for everyone else. Why not? If I buy a ticket, a PPV, or a DVD, I have the right as a paying customer, or more importantly, as a fan, to boo who ever I want to.

Just because Cena is supposed to be the hero doesn't mean that I have to like him. A spiderman analogy was used. Do we watch a movie and hope that spiderman dies? To be honest with you, in Spiderman 3, I was hoping that Venom kicked his ass! Not necassarily because I didn't like Spiderman, but because I think Venom is a cooler character.

It is different with Cena. I hate John Cena, not only his character, but everything about him. WWE puts him off as a super humanitarian and as a hero. Why? Why can't he be more like regular people? That's why everyone liked Steve Austin. He acted like he would in real life.

So if I go to a show and whether he be a villian or a hero, I am going to boo the hell out of Cena, because that is how I feel and I can!

 

[SSJPhenom]

Slyfox argued that if we were going to boo Cena then we shouldn't go and ruin it for everyone else. Why not? If I buy a ticket, a PPV, or a DVD, I have the right as a paying customer, or more importantly, as a fan, to boo who ever I want to.

Just because Cena is supposed to be the hero doesn't mean that I have to like him. A spiderman analogy was used. Do we watch a movie and hope that spiderman dies? To be honest with you, in Spiderman 3, I was hoping that Venom kicked his ass! Not necassarily because I didn't like Spiderman, but because I think Venom is a cooler character.

It is different with Cena. I hate John Cena, not only his character, but everything about him. WWE puts him off as a super humanitarian and as a hero. Why? Why can't he be more like regular people? That's why everyone liked Steve Austin. He acted like he would in real life.

So if I go to a show and whether he be a villian or a hero, I am going to boo the hell out of Cena, because that is how I feel and I can!

 

[Slyfox696]

Of course everyone, theoretically, has the "right" to cheer/boo who they want. As said earlier, if they didn't, people would be escorted out of the arena.

But, people have the RESPONSIBILITY of booing heels and cheering faces. If you cheer heels and boo faces, whats the point of having face/heel dispositions?

And, let's not forget the fact that the performers themselves want you to do as you should. So, if you're favorite wrestler is Randy Orton, and you cheer him when he kicks a defenseless old man, then, instead of showing your respect and appreciation for Randy Orton, and supporting him in what he's supposed to do, you are actually working against him.

It's just plain silly.

 

[E C Dub]

We pay the money to get there so we damn well have a right..

If you didn't have the right I think it would make for a very boring experience. I think it's fun to see the reaction from each city towards different guys... The experience at SS with the back and forth Cena and Ortons chants was awesome

 

[RVDgurl]

Of course we have the right to cheer for whomever we want to. Slyfox has a very traditional way of looking at wrestling which includes concrete roles as heel or babyface. I think he arguements are very intelligent and make sense in accordance with his way of viewing wrestling.

I see wrestling in a more contemporary way. I don't like to see concrete roles. I enjoy when the wrestlers are controversial in their roles. If I am attending a wrestling show, I make it a point to applaud any wrestler who hits a great spot or cuts a good promo in the ring regardless of the role he is playing.
I think one of the best parts of wrestling is when the audience dictates who is the heel and who is the babyface. There have been several occasions in wrestling over the past 20 years where the fans have forced a promotion to turn a wrestler from heel to babyface: The Rock, Steve Austin, RVD, Sandman, etc. That's a beautiful thing and as a fan, it makes me feel like I'm part of the show.

 

[Slyfox696]

I think one of the best parts of wrestling is when the audience dictates who is the heel and who is the babyface.

But, what if the audience can't decide who the face and heel are? Is Cena a face or heel? Is Orton a face or heel? Sometimes one will get cheered more than another, and vice versa.

So, in that case, we don't have a face or heel. So, how boring is a storyline if neither person is wrong and neither one is right? I mean, how many movies do you watch where both sides get along and there's no real premise to the movie?

It's boring. All stories need conflict. But, conflict can only happen when there are two sides. And, if those two sides are not about "right" and "wrong", then how interesting is the story?

In a world of pretend grappling, you need stories. You need something to make the fans emotionally tied into a match, and into characters. In the absence of heel and face characters, then it is very difficult for fans to emotionally invest themselves into a character, and thus, the program they are watching.

Face and heel dispositions are vital to successful professional wrestling.

 

[RVDgurl]

But, what if the audience can't decide who the face and heel are? Is Cena a face or heel? Is Orton a face or heel? Sometimes one will get cheered more than another, and vice versa.

So, in that case, we don't have a face or heel. So, how boring is a storyline if neither person is wrong and neither one is right? I mean, how many movies do you watch where both sides get along and there's no real premise to the movie?

It's boring. All stories need conflict. But, conflict can only happen when there are two sides. And, if those two sides are not about "right" and "wrong", then how interesting is the story?

In a world of pretend grappling, you need stories. You need something to make the fans emotionally tied into a match, and into characters. In the absence of heel and face characters, then it is very difficult for fans to emotionally invest themselves into a character, and thus, the program they are watching.

Face and heel dispositions are vital to successful professional wrestling.

See, this is where we just think differently. I don't need the "bad guy" vs. "good guy" scenerio to be interested and entertained. A match in itself is conflict. Who's right and who's wrong is irrelevant as long as the two parties disagree. The disagreement is your conflict. I like to be able to pick which wrestler I want to side with. I don't want Vince McMahon telling me who I should side with. You can have a well developed storyline and still be able to make the decision for yourself.

 

[Moon Knight]

Of course we do. We spend our hard earned money and take the time to support them and as fans we have a right to cheer and boo who we want! We as fans should pick who the heels and faces are, and when we are bored of someone we should boo him. I hate Cena and am bored to tears of him, I find him annoying and overpushed, so as a fan I have a right to boo him and let Vince know of my displeasure.



I remember when Steve Austin first got in, he was supposed to be a hell to Bret Harts babyface and he used heelish tactics, but guess what? The fans loved him as he was new, different, entertaining and went against the traditional view of face, so we as fans made him a face when Vince didn't want him as that. It's Vince's job to give us what we want, not our job to like what he tells us to like. He is supposed to put on a show to entertain us, and when he doesn't we have the right to boo the wrestler out of the buidling, if we just cheered whoever Vince told us to we might have Snitsky as champion. The boos and bad responses help weed out the untalented, but it's Vince ignoring those Boos that have caused people who shouldn't be champ to be one, so as fans we need to boo louder or even turn.

 

[Slyfox696]

See, this is where we just think differently. I don't need the "bad guy" vs. "good guy" scenerio to be interested and entertained. A match in itself is conflict. Who's right and who's wrong is irrelevant as long as the two parties disagree. The disagreement is your conflict. I like to be able to pick which wrestler I want to side with. I don't want Vince McMahon telling me who I should side with. You can have a well developed storyline and still be able to make the decision for yourself.

But look at long-term booking aspects. How many different types of conflicts, with how many different workers can you have without wandering into the "right" and "wrong" category?

I mean, let's take Orton again as example. Is there anyone who feels that kicking a defenseless old man in the head is "wrong"? I sure hope not. So, theoretically, he's the bad guy.

Now, how many ideas for stories can you come up with where there is no "wrong" and "right"?

Even the Attitude era had very clearly defined faces and heels. It was just that the rules for what made faces and heels changed. But, it had clearly defined faces and heels. As did WCW, as did ECW, as does TNA.

 

[RVDgurl]

But look at long-term booking aspects. How many different types of conflicts, with how many different workers can you have without wandering into the "right" and "wrong" category?

I mean, let's take Orton again as example. Is there anyone who feels that kicking a defenseless old man in the head is "wrong"? I sure hope not. So, theoretically, he's the bad guy.

Now, how many ideas for stories can you come up with where there is no "wrong" and "right"?

Even the Attitude era had very clearly defined faces and heels. It was just that the rules for what made faces and heels changed. But, it had clearly defined faces and heels. As did WCW, as did ECW, as does TNA.

There haven't been clearly defined faces and heels since the early 90's in the WWE and especially not in ECW. Take for example, the Jericho v. Rock fued. Of course, the Rock was supposed to be babyface but Jericho, as the heel, got just as many cheers. In ECW, Raven was a 'heel" during his entire first run with the company and he had one of the largest followings.

The bookers can try all they want to state who is the heel and who is the face but it's ultimately up to the fans to decide that. Who is heel and who is face just doesn't effect the storyline as dramatically as you think.

 

[Slyfox696]

There haven't been clearly defined faces and heels since the early 90's in the WWE and especially not in ECW. Take for example, the Jericho v. Rock fued. Of course, the Rock was supposed to be babyface but Jericho, as the heel, got just as many cheers. In ECW, Raven was a 'heel" during his entire first run with the company and he had one of the largest followings.

The bookers can try all they want to state who is the heel and who is the face but it's ultimately up to the fans to decide that. Who is heel and who is face just doesn't effect the storyline as dramatically as you think.

You still had plenty of face vs. heel encounters. I wasn't watching during Jericho vs. Rock, so I can't speak on that, but throughout the Attitude era you had clearly defined heels and faces. Austin was a face, Foley was a face, Rock was a heel or face, HHH was a heel, Undertaker was a heel in the late 90s, Godfather was a face, etc.

And, it's not about the bookers stating who is face and heel, it's about the storyline that does that. And, when Orton gets cheered for punting a defenseless old man in the head, that is just ridiculous. I mean, should we cheer when John Wilkes Booth shoots President Lincoln in a movie? Assuming, of course, you're not a die-hard Confederate...

It just amazes me how some people can glorify wrong and immoral actions. It's sad almost really. Kicking a defenseless old man is "cool" but a guy who exemplifies never quitting and never backing down is boo-worthy. And, this has nothing to do with Cena or Orton, its just a great example.

Seriously, how can fans justify themselves cheering for Orton after what he did?

 

[RVDgurl]

You still had plenty of face vs. heel encounters. I wasn't watching during Jericho vs. Rock, so I can't speak on that, but throughout the Attitude era you had clearly defined heels and faces. Austin was a face, Foley was a face, Rock was a heel or face, HHH was a heel, Undertaker was a heel in the late 90s, Godfather was a face, etc.

And, it's not about the bookers stating who is face and heel, it's about the storyline that does that. And, when Orton gets cheered for punting a defenseless old man in the head, that is just ridiculous. I mean, should we cheer when John Wilkes Booth shoots President Lincoln in a movie? Assuming, of course, you're not a die-hard Confederate...

It just amazes me how some people can glorify wrong and immoral actions. It's sad almost really. Kicking a defenseless old man is "cool" but a guy who exemplifies never quitting and never backing down is boo-worthy. And, this has nothing to do with Cena or Orton, its just a great example.

Seriously, how can fans justify themselves cheering for Orton after what he did?

People can cheer for Orton, even after he does something awful because they like Orton. He is good at his job. He's decent in the ring, cuts a good promo and plays the Legend Killer role well. People are cheering for him.

Wrestling has moved beyond the good guy v. bad guy. Back in 80's it was like that because people has no idea how the business worked. Wrestling was full of surprises because there were no dirt sheets and internet chat rooms. Now the fans know the outcome before the wrestlers. For good or for bad, the fans have changed the way wrestling works. The whole business has shifted and it's just unrealistic at this point to think of it in terms of heel v. face. People want to see a good match with well developed characters and they want to decide who they like.

 

[Slyfox696]

People can cheer for Orton, even after he does something awful because they like Orton. He is good at his job. He's decent in the ring, cuts a good promo and plays the Legend Killer role well. People are cheering for him.

Wrestling has moved beyond the good guy v. bad guy. Back in 80's it was like that because people has no idea how the business worked. Wrestling was full of surprises because there were no dirt sheets and internet chat rooms. Now the fans know the outcome before the wrestlers. For good or for bad, the fans have changed the way wrestling works. The whole business has shifted and it's just unrealistic at this point to think of it in terms of heel v. face. People want to see a good match with well developed characters and they want to decide who they like.

I would argue that fans today still have no idea how the business works. I've seen enough posts that want John Cena or Triple H fired to warrant that belief.

What does it say about a person though, if he can glorify violence against old and defenseless people? What does it say about society if we want to cheer the person who cheats, who is a liar, and who does wrong and immoral things? Am I the only one bothered by this?

And, I disagree with your last statement. People want to see good matches, but more so, they want to see good entertainment. They want larger than life characters, and intriguing storylines. It has been proven time and again. Good wrestling does not sell near as well as good entertainment.

 

[RVDgurl]

I would argue that fans today still have no idea how the business works. I've seen enough posts that want John Cena or Triple H fired to warrant that belief.

What does it say about a person though, if he can glorify violence against old and defenseless people? What does it say about society if we want to cheer the person who cheats, who is a liar, and who does wrong and immoral things? Am I the only one bothered by this?

People have no problem cheering for stuff like this because everyone knows now that it's not real. That's what I mean when I saw that people know the business. I'm not saying people are smart about it, but nevertheless, they have the basics down whereas 25 years ago, they didn't.

And, I disagree with your last statement. People want to see good matches, but more so, they want to see good entertainment. They want larger than life characters, and intriguing storylines. It has been proven time and again. Good wrestling does not sell near as well as good entertainment.

Agreed. But people are going to be most entertained when they feel a part of it. Being able to choose your favorites and cheer for whomever you want to makes people invested in the match. Who wants to be robotic and cheer for John Doe because he's the good guy. Then boo John Smith because he's the bad guy. There's no fun in that.

 

[SSJPhenom]

I just can't see the point that Sly is trying to make. I don't see where I, as a fan, have a responsability to cheer or boo someone just because of the character that they are trying to play.

I don't respect Cena as a wrestler. I've said before that I respect his work ethic and his charity work, but has a wrestler I have no respect for him. So why then should I cheer for him? When I cheer Randy Orton, it isn't out of spite of Cena, persay, but it is because I like Orton's character better and his in ring capability, I feel, I on a whole other level. So I cheer Orton when he is performing, because I feel that he is a better performer!

I could care less who the good guy or the bad guys are! As RVDgurl said, there hasn't been a true babyface/heel feeling to wrestling since the early 90's! I cheered for Hogan when he was in the NWO, why, because I continued to have respect for Hogan as a performer and I still thought that he was the best.

 

[Shocky]

What people have failed to realize is by booing a guy like John Cena, he is still getting attention. Attention is what sells. The little kids, and I know you hate that Sly, are the ones that want Cena to win. They buy his merchandise left and right, and like it or not, he is who they cheer for. He brings cash in. Then we get to dumbass teenagers and mid twenty folks who boo John Cena. They pay money each and every month to watch subpar pay per views, why, to see Cena get his ass kicked, which never happens. People go in every month thinking, this month is going to be the month that Cena gets beat, they don't learn their lesson, and they return 30 days later. The WWE owns the smarks and they don't even realize it. So by booing Cena, all you (Cena Haters) have done is enable him to keep the title that much longer.

Now onto the topic at hand. Of course I have the right to boo and cheer who I want to. I don't find myself doing it that much anymore, because I haven't been to a live event in several years, which saddens me, but I can't support the product. I'm probably just growing out of the WWE style of wrestling. I find Vanilla faces, bland heels, and indistinguishable tweeners to be boring.

I cheer athleticism. I cheer a good promo, whether it is face or heel. I cheer in ring talent that I respect. I boo guys that are shit on the mic and have wasted my time with a meaningless promo, I boo guys that half ass it in the ring whether they are talented or not.

The problem with wrestling today is the way it presents itself. The frustration of fans my age comes from the WWE telling people to bring their signs, cheer or boo who they want, and then all of a sudden Vince has a grand child and the company reverts to Rock "N Rasslin' again. People don't boo John Cena because they don't like him, the boo him because he is the figure head for everything they don't want the company to be.

Sure, in real life if Randy Orton kicked Cena's father in the head, people would be outraged, but wrestling is a form of entertainment, hence, people don't like Cena, so they appreciate Orton putting a footprint on the old man.

It's tough, for the sake of storyline purposes, I see where Sly comes from, but I see where the IWC comes from. I remember in 2002-2004ish when the WWE was letting everyone see the Wizard behind the curtain. They were breaking Kayfabe and letting the smarks into the backstage seen. People realized that the guys were portraying characters on screen, but respected each other backstage. Yes, We Cheered Brock Lesnar at WM 19, and boo'd Kurt Angle, the Heel, knowing full well these guys respected the hell out of each other. But was it wrong for them to break Kayfabe at the end of that match and hug after putting on a damn good main event, of course not. I appreciated, the fans appreciated.

Then something happened. The WWE reverted to trying to stay in kayfabe 24/7. It's just silly. Does Arnold walk around as the Terminator all day? Does Bruce Willis say Yippie Ky Yay Mother Fucker to his boss? The WWE disassociated itself from the smarks, and shut the curtain after letting everyone in. Then John Cena came along, and he became the poster boy for the fans to let their hate out on him. He became the face of the franchise that people didn't want to see.

So back on topic, it's hard to decide. For the sake of storylines, you should cheer and boo the designated face and heel, but then again, didn't the WWE evolve out of this generic way of professional wrestling several years ago?

The WWE was great at listening to it's fans for years. If someone didn't like someone and was getting booed, eventually that guy was turned heel or a character change was in order. Hell, the prime example is Steve Austin vs. Bret Hart. The WWE listened to what the fans wanted, and the rest is history. What if the WWE was so hell bent on keeping Hart face and Austin Heel? Think of how different the wrestling world would be? Would the WWE even be in business still?

The aggravation comes from the WWE as a whole listening to it's fan base several years ago, and now it seems they don't care and have turned a death ear to it. This is was disrupts the storylines and character development. Until the WWE addresses it's fanbase properly, then the fans will continue to "ruin" the basic storytelling of the WWE.

 

[Derf]

Wow, I can't follow that one Shocky... Simply put, I'm no good at these long points, but let me ask Sly somthing. It's a simple yes or no question, and when you answer this, I don't want any explenation, I want a "Yes" or a "No", and in asking this, I ask that if he goes through, the Admins don't give out a warning, as it was asked of him. But anyways, Onto the Simple Question at hand, the same one implied in the name of this thread.

"Do we as fans have the RIGHT to boo and cheer who we want?"

 

[Slyfox696]

The problem with wrestling today is the way it presents itself. The frustration of fans my age comes from the WWE telling people to bring their signs, cheer or boo who they want, and then all of a sudden Vince has a grand child and the company reverts to Rock "N Rasslin' again. People don't boo John Cena because they don't like him, the boo him because he is the figure head for everything they don't want the company to be.

I have to disagree.

They boo John Cena because he's not Steve Austin or The Rock. John Cena is kind of like being the boyfriend dating the girl after a 3 year serious relationship. He really had no shot. He was dead before he rang the doorbell.

Which is sad, because one day so many fans are going to look back and think to themselves "Wow, that son of a bitch was actually a great talent. What the hell was I thinking."

Then something happened. The WWE reverted to trying to stay in kayfabe 24/7. It's just silly. Does Arnold walk around as the Terminator all day? Does Bruce Willis say Yippie Ky Yay Mother Fucker to his boss? The WWE disassociated itself from the smarks, and shut the curtain after letting everyone in.

And see, I think opening the curtain and breaking kayfabe was the wrong move. Sure, it worked in the short run, and made the WWE a lot of money, but the long-term ramifications of it will last a long while.

For professional wrestling to work, there HAS to be a suspension of belief. At some level, there has to be suspension of belief, or you might as well just watch figure skating.

So back on topic, it's hard to decide. For the sake of storylines, you should cheer and boo the designated face and heel, but then again, didn't the WWE evolve out of this generic way of professional wrestling several years ago?

And, in ten years, people will forget that, and heels and faces will be treated as such again. And, if they're not, then that means that big-time wrestling will be dead.

The WWE was great at listening to it's fans for years. If someone didn't like someone and was getting booed, eventually that guy was turned heel or a character change was in order. Hell, the prime example is Steve Austin vs. Bret Hart. The WWE listened to what the fans wanted, and the rest is history. What if the WWE was so hell bent on keeping Hart face and Austin Heel? Think of how different the wrestling world would be? Would the WWE even be in business still?

The WWE does still listen to fans. They gave the DX re-union. They made John Cena the champion (which, as many people like to conveniently forget, Cena was MEGA popular in 2005). Edge was the WHC. CM Punk is the ECW champion.

The WWE DOES give the fans what they want. What they DON'T do, is cater to the IWC. They worry about the MAJORITY of their audience, not just the IWC.

Which, seems to be the biggest problem the IWC has, AND why the WWE should ignore IWC.

If they were to turn John Cena heel, what would happen? All the uppity teenagers would suddenly think he's cool again, and they'd start cheering him. Meanwhile, those of us who treat him like we should, would boo him. So, you have the exact same thing happening as you do now.

Which is why cheering heels and booing faces is just stupid.

I know I'm kind of all over there, but it makes sense to me right now.

The aggravation comes from the WWE as a whole listening to it's fan base several years ago, and now it seems they don't care and have turned a death ear to it. This is was disrupts the storylines and character development. Until the WWE addresses it's fanbase properly, then the fans will continue to "ruin" the basic storytelling of the WWE.[/QUOTE]

"Do we as fans have the RIGHT to boo and cheer who we want?"

It seems as if I've already answered this...

Of course everyone, theoretically, has the "right" to cheer/boo who they want. As said earlier, if they didn't, people would be escorted out of the arena.

But, people have the RESPONSIBILITY of booing heels and cheering faces. If you cheer heels and boo faces, whats the point of having face/heel dispositions?

http://forums.wrestlezone.com/showpost.php?p=238926&postcount=6

Yup.

 

[Derf]

So Sly. Your saying that we have no right to do what we like at a wrestling event, or on the internet? You actually enjoy watching wrestling and doing what Vinces tells you to? Don't get me wrong, everything I have EVER read from you makes a whole lot of sence, it's just not common sence. We as fans watch wrestling as fans, not as robots. I for one think we're alloud to cheer as we please. If we had no rights, they'd take all of the signs. But at every show, you still see signs with Pro Orton mesages, and although they confinscate all the Anti Cena signs, you always get that one "If Cena Wins We Riot" sign. They know we have the right, and I'm not gonna say what anyone else already said, other than I personally think your fighting an uphill battle against alot of Fans who want rights. I admire that, but I can't see to many others agreeing with you.

 

[Slyfox696]

So Sly. Your saying that we have no right to do what we like at a wrestling event, or on the internet?

Again...

Of course everyone, theoretically, has the "right" to cheer/boo who they want. As said earlier, if they didn't, people would be escorted out of the arena.

But, people have the RESPONSIBILITY of booing heels and cheering faces. If you cheer heels and boo faces, whats the point of having face/heel dispositions?

http://forums.wrestlezone.com/showpost.php?p=238926&postcount=6

You actually enjoy watching wrestling and doing what Vinces tells you to?

Why not? Do you not watch a move and cheer for who George Lucas tells you to? Do you not watch a play and cheer for whom William Shakespeare told you to?

I boo heels because they do "bad" things, like kicking defenseless old men, and mocking me. I cheer faces because they do "good" things, like standing up for people like us, and beating up the bad guys.

Isn't that what theater is all about?

They know we have the right, and I'm not gonna say what anyone else already said, other than I personally think your fighting an uphill battle against alot of Fans who want rights. I admire that, but I can't see to many others agreeing with you.

Again, I've already said you have the "right" to do it. I have the right to go to an opera and boo whomever I want. I have the right to go to a St. Louis Cardinals game and boo Albert Pujols. But, what kind of fan would that make me?

It's silly, and exists only in the mentality, of fans who want to be rebellious. You yourself just said "You actually enjoy watching wrestling and doing what Vinces tells you to? ". You said it like it was some kind of awful sin to do so. And that you'd be damned to do something that Vince tells you to. It's silly. Why be rebellious, just for the sake of doing so?

Whatever happened to good, decent and moral people? When did it become "uncool" to follow the rules, and do as your supposed to? Why is it we glorify troubled celebrities like Paris Hilton or Barry Bonds, but hate on those who are just great all-around people like John Cena?

When did it become unacceptable to do the right thing?


I just don't understand it.

 

[BooCocky]

As a wrestling fan we have certain responsibilities as wrestling fans, i believe one of them is to cheer for the face, because they sticks up for the regular wrestling fans, and fight the bad guy. I believe we have the responsibility to boo the heel because they are the "bad guy" they rebel against the common man, they mock us. i will use MVP for example, people boo him because he is a cocky arrogant, self centered A**. We the fans dont boo because he has no talent we boo because of his background like his arrogance, and how is so cocky. So therefore we boo because thats how the creative team is booking him. He is booked that way doesnt mean he really is. Then i will Rey Mysterio, kids and some adults cheer for Rey not because he has the raw strength to out power Khali, people cheer for him because he is booked in wrestling to over come the odds, such as winning the rumble from the number two spot of defeating Angle and Orton in a triple threat match. So its like we the fans for the most part cheer or boo who ever the wwe and Vince wants us too.

Wresting is an entertaining business and therefore they are suppose to tell a story to some extent, and it really would not be much of a story if two guys that stand up for people like me. you need a heel face battle, so therefore we as fans are gonna boo the heel because of his actions and we are gonna cheer the face because thats what we are told by creative team. So therefore i believe we dont have much right in cheering for who we cheer and boo, because its the way the creative team is characterizing each character to be the super hero or the bad guy, therefore its telling us a story and we are mostly gonna cheer for who ever is the good guy.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Of course everyone, theoretically, has the "right" to cheer/boo who they want. As said earlier, if they didn't, people would be escorted out of the arena.

First, I wanna address the fact that lately, W.W.E. has escorted fans out of the arenas if they don't comply with what W.W.E. wants. Granted its more that they'll take away signs that have negative outlooks on faces, such as John Cena.. but that takes away the american right of "freedom of expression." And furthermore, how is it our responsibility to cheer & boo selective talent? Its more THEIR responsibility to make us want to cheer or boo them. 80% or more of the fans cheer & boo based on what that specific Superstar is doing.

But, people have the RESPONSIBILITY of booing heels and cheering faces. If you cheer heels and boo faces, whats the point of having face/heel dispositions?

You tell me.. you claim we as fans, aren't allowed or in the right, to cheer heels & boo faces, yet you look at some of the "greats." The Rock, Steve Austin, The Undertaker. All three of them went up against top faces, Steve Austin - Bret Hart, The Undertaker - Hulk Hogan, & The Rock - Steve Austin. All of those men, as heels, were cheered & thus turned to faces because of those cheers.

So, tell me.. what would've happened to all three of those stars, had the fans done what W.W.E. wanted them to do.

Austin:If we boo'ed Austin, he'd never of beaten Bret Hart, he'd never of gotten over with the fans as a rule breaker & ultimately, he'd be jobbing to a lot of people, instead of being one of the top guys in the business.

Undertaker: He's gone in & out of heel roles, only to have the fans love him each time. If we boo'ed him way back against Hulk Hogan, & not loved the gimmick.. I can promise you he wouldn't be undefeated at WrestleMania. He most likely wouldn't be in the business as the same character, because without the fans.. you basically got a glorified, higher branched version of Gangrel. (yes, Taker is by leaps & bounds better, but gimmick wise.. gothic is gothic)

The Rock: Classic face being boo'ed, heel being cheered situation. Rocky Maivia was suppose to be the 3rd Generation star cheered beyond his days. Wrong. Fans then, like fans now, don't want someone to make our decisions for us. We'll be the judge of who we like & dislike. We cheered The Rock, because he hated us.. it took "Die Rocky Die" chants to get a solid gimmick outta the man, & to this day, even he would thank a lot of us for giving him what he has today. Stardom.

It's just plain silly.

I tell you what, you cheer the faces & boo the heels.. So by rule, that means you should've been cheering Santino Marella when he was picked & defeated Umaga. By rule, you should've boo'ed the original D-X, because they broke the rules. And by rule, from what you said yourself, you have no right to fly a "I've love Hogan" banner, because at a time, he was a heel. Did you boo him during that time? Did you boo John Cena during his heel days?

Sly - I love your opinion, you give the best opinions outta anyone on these boards. But I gotta side away from you on this one, because as a fan of wrestling its my responsibility to let W.W.E. know who to push, who to fade out, who to keep face, who to turn heel. Its not my job to cheer someone, because an "applaud" sign lights up.