Do We As Fans Have the Right?

[kurtisraw07]

I believe us fans have the right to cheer and boo who we want. Obviously Vince knows the fans arent always gonna do what he wants and this pisses him off. He even has security take away Anti-Cena signs. I think this is bullshit. If it was possible to organize a massive fan strike against WWE, then Vince would stop being such a douche and stop forcing Cena down our throats. Honestly, the only thing keeping me alive as a WWE fan is the fact that I like Mr. Kennedy and MVP.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

I believe us fans have the right to cheer and boo who we want. Obviously Vince knows the fans arent always gonna do what he wants and this pisses him off. He even has security take away Anti-Cena signs. I think this is bullshit. If it was possible to organize a massive fan strike against WWE, then Vince would stop being such a douche and stop forcing Cena down our throats. Honestly, the only thing keeping me alive as a WWE fan is the fact that I like Mr. Kennedy and MVP.

See, my arguement on this subject & yours are different in the fact that I'm no longer pointing John Cena out as a whole. lol Sly is gonna eat you alive.

But here's my own take.. its wrong for W.W.E. to take signs from fans, unless those signs are distasteful, such as something regarding deathes, or just bad, like "F*ck You John Cena" because thats tasteless.. boo him, dislike him, hold up signs that claim he sucks.. but don't do that sorta thing. (the F-You sign)

Secondly, to a degree, W.W.E. IS forcing Cena down our throats.. but thats only because, sadly, millions of people (girls, kids, or adults) buy his stuff.. so W.W.E. takes this as.. "we love Cena."

Regarding your massive strike, that wouldn't cause Vince McMahon to stop doing what he's doing.. the man is a multi-billionaire, do you think he gives a single thought into the opinion of you, or a half thousand others? No.. cause while thousands may dislike what he's doing.. millions still tune in.

And finally, you seem like a typical "heel-lover" & I can agree with that, cause I love heels too.. but that isn't to say I dislike all faces. I just want a change, regarding Cena. However.. this thread/topic is more toward us as a whole, us as fans.. having a right to cheer & boo who we want. Not whether we wanna see John Cena.. I think you meant to post in the Cena thread.

 

[Hdog684]

First, I wanna address the fact that lately, W.W.E. has escorted fans out of the arenas if they don't comply with what W.W.E. wants. Granted its more that they'll take away signs that have negative outlooks on faces, such as John Cena.. but that takes away the american right of "freedom of expression."

Allow me to correct everybody on this issue briefly. Nobody has the RIGHT to boo or cheer at a wrestling event. They don't have the RIGHT to bring in whatever sign they want or wear whatever clothes they want. You are ALLOWED to do what the WWE lets you do, and they choose to let the fans boo or cheer whoever they please and in general say whatever they want. Therefor we, the fans, have the privilege of booing and cheering whoever want at WWE events.

And no, it does not take away the american right of "freedom of expression" in a private building, which is what these arenas are. They are owned by private individual or a group of individuals, and for that night they are leased out to the WWE. That means they have full control over who goes in and what happens in that building. And for the argument that "I payed for the ticket I can say whatever I want" when you buy the ticket, you are agreeing to the terms that come with the ticket, including an agreement to follow their rules, and I assure you it states this on the ticket. They have the right to revoke your ticket if you do not comply with their rules.

Going into an arena where a WWE event is being held is no different than going into Vince McMahon's house, as far as what rights you have goes. If he doesn't like the clothes you're wearing, or a sign you have, or what you are saying, he can make you leave his house. It's the same for an arena. Now, obviously, they choose to allow fans to boo and cheer whoever they want because it would be impossible to kick out half the arena at once, as well as the public relations nightmare that would ensue if they began forcing fans to boo and cheer for who they told them to or leave the building. But if they so desired, they could theortically do that. Just as they do, I would imagine, at TV shows held in front of live audiences, especially shows that are aired live and can't be edited. Imagine going to Saturday Night Live or Regis & Kelly and booing or screaming at random moments, what do you think would happen? Here's a hint: you wouldn't be allowed to keep doing it. I imagine there'd be a warning but you would be thrown out if you kept going. WWE is no different, they just choose to let the fans say what they want.

I just wanted to point that out for people saying they have the right to boo or cheer whoever they want, or saying it's bullshit they take signs away, etc. You're in the WWE's house and they have the right to tell you what to do or leave if you don't like it, and you agree to that when you buy a ticket to attend the event.

As for the question of whether or not who have a responsibility to boo or cheer for who the WWE tells you to, I certainly assure you that you do not. That's not to say that it's wrong to believe when you go to an event you feel like you to be part of the show, and therefor you cheer the faces and boo the heels, if that's how you feel there's nothing wrong with that. But at the same time, at the end of the day it's the WWE's job to entertain you. And the best way for them to know how entertained fans are is by their reactions at live events. I can guarantee you that Vince does not want everybody to blindly cheer the faces and boo the heels, he wants their honest reactions, because that helps him figure out if what he's doing is working or not or what they do need to do to change.

 

[Derf]

Sly - I love your opinion, you give the best opinions outta anyone on these boards. But I gotta side away from you on this one, because as a fan of wrestling its my responsibility to let W.W.E. know who to push, who to fade out, who to keep face, who to turn heel. Its not my job to cheer someone, because an "applaud" sign lights up.

Will, you took the words right off my keyboard. We as fans not only have the right to cheer and boo who we want, but I feel, and I think this is what Will was saying, We as fans have the responicility to show Vince who we like and who we don't. I don't want to get on the topic of Cena, other than saying Will is right, Cena is hated by thousands, but loved by millions, and Vince knows that half of those thousands are still gonna by the PPVs that Cena main events, so keeping Cena face and champ is good for business.

Now, I want to make somthing clear right now. Untill about a year ago when I joined the IWC, I was the typical fan that cheered the faces and boo'ds the heal. But after joining the online world, realized that there are people out there that disagree with the rules. Go against the grain. And you know what, I liked that. I got to learn alot about people backstage, who they really are, and why they are faces and heals.

So Sly. I want to just say somthing. On the Cena and Orton topics, do feel fans should be cheering Cena and Booing Orton. Why? Cena is a constant professional. His merchendise sells, he's stands up for all good, he's a hell of a worker, as far as we know he's clean of roids (And anyone that wants to disagree with that can go to another forum), he's an all around good company worker guy. Orton, on the other hand, abuses his popularity. He smokes, does drugs, has been busted by the Wellness Policy more times than I can remember, caused shit with some Divas (One he literaly caused "Shit" with). This ois the kinda guy no company wants, but the WWE must know that in addition with his already heal charecter and amazing wrestling skills, this only makes fans hate him more. And I tell you right now, when Orton comes out, it don't matter how many of us IWC fans are cheering at home, Millions more hate the guy. And millions love Cena. They love Foley, a guy that couldn't "Wrestle" a match if his life depended on it. They love Lashley, a Powerhouse that never talks, but always beats up the bad guys.

I believe I lost my train of though typing al of this, I just hope that however you take it, some of this opens some eyes. Fans should be the ones deciding who we like and who we don't, and we have chosen to like Cena and dislike Orton. Vince is listening to the fans in the arena. He has to listen to ALL fans, just not one small rebelos group of em.

 

[natecook59]

Jim Ross has addressed this very question in his blog awhile back and he said without a doubt fans have the right to boo or cheer whoever they damn well please as a paying customer.

The WWE is looking for there performers to get a response, the worse thing in the world is to walk out the curtain to dead silence. They will present characters and it's up to the fans to decide whether they like the character or not and whether or not to boo. Take Santino Marella for example, he was introduced as an "everyman's underdog", but the fans weren't buying it and started booing him. Now he is turning fully heel and could potentially turn into a great one (that remains to be seen if he will or not).

The point is, the wrestlers protray a character and try to get some sort of response. It's not always what is expected, but sometimes the unexpected responses have created some of the greatest characters of all time (Austin, Rock).

I will say this about John Cena, love him or hate him, he gets the biggest response of all the wrestlers night in and night out. To the casual mark, he is the ultimate babyface who they love to cheer. To the IWC, he is the ultimate heel who they can't wait to lose the title. Vince is a genius at times, he has been able to keep both the marks and "smarks" into the product enough to keep buying. We keep cursing WWE everytime Cena retains, yet we all keep buying the PPV's.

A bunch of us have chosen to boo Cena, a bunch others have chosen to cheer him. I for one think that's our right and that makes for exciting wrestling.

 

[Greenlight13]

Sorry to use John Cena as a scapegoat again, because i honestly was a fan of him before he transferred to RAW, but, i think he DOES represent WWE's M.O. and that is to make money and draw ratings. John Cena has a mass appeal, the kids, the women etc and people tune it to see him and they buy his merchandise. That is because these people are not smart to the business, they WANT to see a Superman who beats everyone and is untouchable. These people will cheer anyone who comes out and compliments the town or saves someone from a 2-on-1 beating and doesn't cheat. That is the classic face role and Cena plays it well. WWE want us to like Cena because they trust him and his commitment to his character.

However, many people are bored of him. I don't think every person that boo's honestly hates Cena as a person, that would be rediculous, he is a guy portraying a character, people boo John Cena because we were given an era where the unexpected happened, where twists and turns happened all the time and the face or heel could win any given match. The fans loved it, they went for it, so WWE continued to do it, they listened to fans. But now they have shifted waaaaaaaay back to where the good guy always wins, keeps his title for years, gets beat down by 2 guys but then mounts a major comeback and wins it. We were shown vulnerable characters who could be beaten and we liked it because it was real. But now we have superheroes again.

When it comes to our rights, well, i was all for the I CAN DO WHAT I WANT AS A FAN, THEY DON'T OWN ME arguement, but then someone pointed out that WWE own the building (for the night) and we must comply to their terms and conditions and that made complete and total sense to me and i can't dispute it. However, as a viewer in my own home, i will defend to the death my right to dislike John Cena and love Randy Orton. Did i aplaud him kicking Cena's dad in the head? Absolutely i did. It was a shock, seeing Orton roll out of the ring and drag his dad over the guard rail happened so suddenly that i ate it right up, it shocked me, i want shock. And that isn't me saying it's ok to kick old men in the head, because i am WELL aware that it's entertainment. How many movies are there with anti-heroes these days? Look at Vin Diesel in Pitch Black, the guy is a serial killer, but you are undisputedly behind him within the realms of that story because he is cool and different.

Ultimately however, WWE want their ratings and thus their cash. They know they can do anything they want as long as they dont offend the church or human decency. How many people HATE Cena, but still watch every week? Enough for WWE to be a successful company. I am guilty of this too, i watch every single week with the hope WWE will improve, revert to its glory days, that is probably a foolish thing to do and i'm kidding myself, but i still do it. So as long as the Cena lovers are tuning in to watch him win, and people like me are tuning in with the slight hope he will lose, WWE has what they want and WILL NOT BEND TO THE WILL OF OUR BOOS AND CHEERS.

They love polarized reactions and take them to mean they're doing a good job. It's the no-reactions they worry about. Snitsky for example, Tomko when he was in WWE, no1 gave any reaction, no boos, no cheers. When we'r silent, they know we dont care. They want us to care. They want hate or love, which it is i dont think they mind, but they want something. If the entire arena went silent as Cena hulks up and hits his 5 moves then WWE would take notice. So ultimately i dont think it matters if u boo or cheer the wrong people, it just matters that you do one or the other.

 

[LipstickAndBruises]

Ive been reading this thread off and on since it started. GREAT points made by all actually which is rare. So much has been said I'm not sure I can add anything new however I'm not shy about blabbing my opinion so...

The obvious answer is of course we can cheer or boo whoever we want to. A promotion may own the building for the night but once I pay to get in as long as I'm not being violent or over profane I can pretty much express myself via cheers or boos for whoever I want but it doesnt really matter. Because even the live programming has a delay to edit and I know they can change certian cheers / chants or booing to something "that fits" what they want. And as far as indy shows that don't tape for TV I think its an arena by arena basis.

I remember one time when the cheers / jeers don't match up with the intended reactions....Mickie James vs Trish in the Fleet Center (I *think*). Mickie was a looney heels and the crowd was yelling "Lets Go Mickie" so loud JR had to say something like "blah blah blah unorthadox WWE fans cheering for Mickie James blah blah blah thats the beauty of being a fan here you can express yourself...", It was kind of cool. Also I went to see Raw a long time ago when WWE had Mike Tyson around messing with Steve Austin and heel DX was interjecting themselves in the whole thing. The crowd was "supposed to" boo them but alot of us where cheering them, including a junior high aged me. It was the first time I could remember wanting the "bad guys" to "win". I guess I like those times because it shows the fans power. And I like because it seems fans have less and less power these days

 

[Slyfox696]

First, I wanna address the fact that lately, W.W.E. has escorted fans out of the arenas if they don't comply with what W.W.E. wants. Granted its more that they'll take away signs that have negative outlooks on faces, such as John Cena.. but that takes away the american right of "freedom of expression."

When you buy your ticket, you wave your right to unrestricted freedom of expression, and agree to terms that the WWE will decide what is allowable and is not.

You can stand outside the building and do whatever you want. Inside the building that you paid a ticket for, you can only do what the WWE allows you to get away with. That is part of the contract.

Austin:If we boo'ed Austin, he'd never of beaten Bret Hart, he'd never of gotten over with the fans as a rule breaker & ultimately, he'd be jobbing to a lot of people, instead of being one of the top guys in the business.

Austin got a decent face support, but he was still, for the most part, a heel until Wrestlemania 13. Then the WWE booked him as a face, only with heel characteristics, against Hart, who was the heel with face characteristics. It was a very unique dynamic, but Austin from 1997 until 2001 was very much a face, and was treated that way.

The Rock: Classic face being boo'ed, heel being cheered situation. Rocky Maivia was suppose to be the 3rd Generation star cheered beyond his days. Wrong. Fans then, like fans now, don't want someone to make our decisions for us. We'll be the judge of who we like & dislike. We cheered The Rock, because he hated us.. it took "Die Rocky Die" chants to get a solid gimmick outta the man, & to this day, even he would thank a lot of us for giving him what he has today. Stardom.

He's a perfect example. Fans booed him as a face, cheered him as a heel, and then booed him as a face again.

Which is a perfect example of how fans have no clue what they want sometimes.

I tell you what, you cheer the faces & boo the heels.. So by rule, that means you should've been cheering Santino Marella when he was picked & defeated Umaga.

If I had been in the arena, I would have. And, if I'm not mistaken, the entire crowd erupted when Santino won. Sure, that might have something to do with the fact the match was an Italy, but still.

By rule, you should've boo'ed the original D-X, because they broke the rules.

I did.

And by rule, from what you said yourself, you have no right to fly a "I've love Hogan" banner, because at a time, he was a heel. Did you boo him during that time?

Yes, I booed Hogan in 96-98. I wanted The Giant, then Lex Luger, than Piper, and finally Sting to beat Hogan's ass. Then I loved when Goldberg finally killed Hogan.

Of course I booed him.

Did you boo John Cena during his heel days?

No, I wasn't watching wrestling at the time.

Secondly, to a degree, W.W.E. IS forcing Cena down our throats.. but thats only because, sadly, millions of people (girls, kids, or adults) buy his stuff.. so W.W.E. takes this as.. "we love Cena."

If most people want it, as they indicate they do, then it's not really FORCING Cena down people's throat. It's giving the fans what they want.

Allow me to correct everybody on this issue briefly. Nobody has the RIGHT to boo or cheer at a wrestling event. They don't have the RIGHT to bring in whatever sign they want or wear whatever clothes they want. You are ALLOWED to do what the WWE lets you do, and they choose to let the fans boo or cheer whoever they please and in general say whatever they want. Therefor we, the fans, have the privilege of booing and cheering whoever want at WWE events.

GREAT paragraph. I suggest everyone read it again.

Sorry to use John Cena as a scapegoat again, because i honestly was a fan of him before he transferred to RAW, but, i think he DOES represent WWE's M.O. and that is to make money and draw ratings.

Umm, that's ALL professional wrestling companies' goals. EVERY professional wrestling company wants to make money.

It's not just limited to the WWE.

people boo John Cena because we were given an era where the unexpected happened, where twists and turns happened all the time and the face or heel could win any given match.

Yes, but you can only do that for so long, before the unexpected and exciting becomes the mundane and norm. That's exactly my point and one of the major reasons I feel the Attitude Era is so overrated.

But now they have shifted waaaaaaaay back to where the good guy always wins, keeps his title for years, gets beat down by 2 guys but then mounts a major comeback and wins it. We were shown vulnerable characters who could be beaten and we liked it because it was real. But now we have superheroes again.

But, wrestling cannot exist longterm the other way. You can book this scenario for decades and never run into major storyline problems. Classic face vs. heel encounters will always sell, and you can always right scripts for them. That's not true with the other way.

I am guilty of this too, i watch every single week with the hope WWE will improve, revert to its glory days,

They are.

There were plenty of glory days LONG before the Attitude Era. And, those glory days didn't rely on trash, shock TV, and sexuality to be popular.

 

[BrooklynBuc]

All right, Brooklyn's turn...

We, as fans, do have the right to choose who we cheer and boo. When we enter the arena, is there a sign that says "cheer this person when they win" or "boo this person when they use a weapon"? I remember reading somewhere that WCW used to have monitors to the fans to tell them who to cheer and who to boo when they came out for their entrances. I never went to any event like that, but if I don't like someone or something, I'm not cheering for them. I've never liked Hogan and probably never will. (Didn't he bite and eye-gouge like a heel anyway, even when he WAS a face?!)

By the way, I'm not even going to touch the John Cena topic, since it's been done to death.

So Santino Murella was a face. Should I cheer him simply because he's supposed to be the good guy? Let's all face it...Santino is not a good character and is very bland in the ring. Even when he won the Intercontinental Title, I felt nothing for him, especially since it was obvious he was a plant. His in-ring skills were limited (from what I've seen) and he always seemed to get lucky. Why would I cheer this? I can cheer and be happy for C.M. Punk because he has a very interesting character, his ring work is excellent, and his straight edge gimmick (no drugs or alcohol) fits very well to being a face.

When The Undertaker turned satanic and hung people on crosses and tried to sacrifice them, I was a little tentative cheering for it, but when he was in the ring, I ALWAYS cheered for him. The Undertaker could burn a 9 year old schoolgirl on an altar and I'd still cheer for him in the ring because A. it's a show and it's not real, and B. The Undertaker is awesome in the ring. Not many other wrestlers do I have that a strong following for, but wrestlers like M.V.P., Edge, and Chris Jericho are great heel characters, that, while you can boo to pay homage to their character or they pull out the insults, you can still cheer them if you like their ring work when they come out. Remember the pop Edge got when he beat The Undertaker for the World Heavyweight Title? He still got his heel heat after he attacked Taker afterwards, but the fans who appreciate Edge still gave him cheers.

I know what you're saying, Sly, and it is like Shakespeare. Tybalt in Romeo and Juliet is a villain who kills Mercutio after some cross words, and Romeo, the good guy, kills him to avenge his friend. The fun part about Shakespeare though is that the characters, like Iago, Aaron the Moor, and Edmund, are human and have traits and emotions that we all can identify with. They're greedy, drunk with power, or maybe malicious, but we see their pain as well, and we love just how dangerous they can be, and sometimes even wish they would get what they want. The best Shakespeare shows are the ones that when we watch, we can feel why they're doing it, understand it, even almost enjoy the journey they put us through, yet still find the acts they do to be despicable. (I hope that makes sense to anyone reading this)

 

[SSJPhenom]

Praise to BrooklynBuc! The Undertaker is awesome in the ring and he will always be respected by the fans.

Sly, I have a question for you. Why is it our responsability to cheer the faces and boo the heels? I mean, it's not a matter of what I want or I don't know what I want. I cheer for the performer that impresses me. I like Randy Orton because of his in ring ability and I think that he is a great heel character! I hated Bret Hart when he was a face, but when he turned heel, his character improved dramatically and his promos was some great stuff in that time period, so I cheered him. The Rock has done been touched upon and the greatest wrestler wrestling today (Taker') has done been touched upon aswell. HHH, I think, is good either way, but I much more prefer a face HHH as opposed to a heel HHH, because I think he is damn funny as a face, but the best part about him as a face, is that he still has heel characteristics. Like, hitting people with the hammer, or chair shots to the head. I hate wrestlers like Bobby Lashley, who are supposed to be super heros. I cheer Lashley in the ring, though, because he is a great athelete.

I guess what I am trying to say is that each and every fan is going to have their own reasons as to why they like or dislike a wrestler. So then, why should we be obligated to cheer or boo designated superstars? It's my choice isn't it?

 

[TheOneBigWill]

When you buy your ticket, you wave your right to unrestricted freedom of expression, and agree to terms that the WWE will decide what is allowable and is not.

This I agree with, no arguement there. Sly - I knew you'd reply, you always make my day more interesting. lol I love your views

You can stand outside the building and do whatever you want. Inside the building that you paid a ticket for, you can only do what the WWE allows you to get away with. That is part of the contract.

Technically, W.W.E. will have you escorted away from the arena if you stand outside it taunting their talent, or their product as well. Even if you stand in the street, doing it. But to the W.W.E.'s credit, once you're a crazed person yelling your hatred of selective wrestlers in a public street.. you're no longer a threat to W.W.E. as much as you are to the city police.

Austin got a decent face support, but he was still, for the most part, a heel until Wrestlemania 13. Then the WWE booked him as a face, only with heel characteristics, against Hart, who was the heel with face characteristics. It was a very unique dynamic, but Austin from 1997 until 2001 was very much a face, and was treated that way.

But his entire career as "Stone Cold" Steve Austin, he's had heel characteristics.. so therefore, he breaks the rules & cheats.. yet you still cheer him, because W.W.E. labels him face as he does those things. How does that work? Its just like D-X.

He's a perfect example. Fans booed him as a face, cheered him as a heel, and then booed him as a face again.

He is a perfect example, but not for the reason you're using. He's a prime example on fans voicing their opinion of not wanting W.W.E. to make their decisions for them. W.W.E. jammed Rocky Maivia down our throats similar, but not as much, as the John Cena issue. Fans don't want that, they wanna feel independent & as if they're capable of making their own decisions on who to cheer & who to boo. Afterall, that IS what defines characters, pushes & releases.

 

[SSJPhenom]

So by Sly's logic, because Stone Cold, The Rock, and D-X break the rules, we have the responsibility to boo them? If Undertaker waits for the ref to turn his back and he nails Mark Henry with a chair, I am supposed to boo him, because that act is a heel act? I don't think so!

It all goes back to cheering the wrestlers that we respect. I don't care what Taker' does in the ring at this point in time! His career has been excellent and he has gained the respect and admiration of all of the fans and his peers! He could kill someone on TV and get cheered! Hell, he did! Remember the Great American Bash in 05, he killed off Hassan! I don't respect Cena as a performer, so I boo! I respect Orton's in ring work and his character, so I cheer.

It is a very simple concept, at least the way that I boo and cheer. Does anyone else agree?

 

[krzkid]

One thing I've noticed no one has mentioned, and I may very well get chewed out for this... an obvious Heel vs Face storyline leaves little room for character developement. As was said before, it took the fans turning on The Rock for us to get a decent character.

Also, look at the state of WWE now. They focus on the "big" names and don't have any supporting cast, which is now causing chaos with Khali of all people as champ. Wrestling has become predictible and bland in the world of WWE. That's why I am a big supporter of the indys. The faces and heels are cheered or booed as the fans see fit and it's all about the action. The wrestlers and the company actually care about giving the fans what they want... not clean cut faces and heels or overworked storylines that draw on forever.... but ACTION. Remember the old WCW where you had matches for no apparent reason just to put on a good match? Used to be like that in WWE too.

I'll cheer for who I want and boo who I please, and it has a LOT more to do with their ability than their disposition. Cena is one of the most overrated people ever. Brian Kendrinck and Paul London are underused. Rey Mysterio now looks like a wash out. Undertaker is still as much of a badass as ever. And please, someone shoot Matt Stryker. He shouldn't have given up his day job.

WWE needs to wake up before TNA and ROH force them to

 

[TheOneBigWill]

I don't care what Taker' does in the ring at this point in time! His career has been excellent and he has gained the respect and admiration of all of the fans and his peers! He could kill someone on TV and get cheered! Hell, he did! Remember the Great American Bash in 05, he killed off Hassan!

Technically, thats not the only death conspiracy. Even though he didn't "kill" the character, does anyone remember Wrestlemania 15? He literally HUNG the Big Boss Man inside the Hell in a Cell.

On a side note, & not on this topic. Instead, with the Benoit topic, does anyone know since they're editing his matches out.. would they go into the WrestleMania anthology & edit the Undertaker hanging Boss Man?

 

[Slyfox696]

But his entire career as "Stone Cold" Steve Austin, he's had heel characteristics.. so therefore, he breaks the rules & cheats.. yet you still cheer him, because W.W.E. labels him face as he does those things. How does that work? Its just like D-X.

He was still a face in 1998.

He was the face against the heel boss. The characteristics of what made heel and face were different (and I don't like, but that's another story), but he was still very much treated as a face by the WWE.

He is a perfect example, but not for the reason you're using. He's a prime example on fans voicing their opinion of not wanting W.W.E. to make their decisions for them.

How? By never making up their mind if they wanted to cheer or boo him?

I'll cheer for who I want and boo who I please, and it has a LOT more to do with their ability than their disposition. Cena is one of the most overrated people ever. Brian Kendrinck and Paul London are underused. Rey Mysterio now looks like a wash out. Undertaker is still as much of a badass as ever. And please, someone shoot Matt Stryker. He shouldn't have given up his day job.

This statement is why I feel people shouldn't cheer who they think is good. I disagree with everything you said, except for Striker.

Cena's underrated, Londrick is used perfectly, Mysterio (before surgery) was as good as ever, and Undertaker is even more about gimmick than ever before.

 

[SSJPhenom]

I don't think they would. The new Taker' DVD comes out on October 23rd and it is about his winning streak. I already have the anthalogy so if the do, then I feel sorry for anyone else who purchases it. Back on topic, we do have the right to cheer who we want!

 

[TheOneBigWill]

He was still a face in 1998.

lol But still using heel tactics. If I didn't know any better, I'd swear you were swerving that point. He was against heel characters, that being McMahon & company.. but he was using heel tactics to fight back. And by your own statement, we're suppose to boo those who use heel tactics.

I understand why people cheered him, its because people loved seeing a "heel" get what he gives. But the fact is, that defeats your statement of booing the "bad tactics" & cheering the "good tactics."

The characteristics of what made heel and face were different (and I don't like, but that's another story), but he was still very much treated as a face by the WWE.

I'm assuming what you mean, by you don't like.. is that you didn't like that heel tactics were used by face wrestlers? Once again.. it defeats what you said, about cheering faces & booing heels. Even the W.W.E. was selling violence over rightness. Sure, overall.. we cheered the face/boo'd the heel.. but that doesn't mean they didn't blur the lines of right & wrong for each side. Heels would lose by being cheated over, Faces would cheat to win.

How? By never making up their mind if they wanted to cheer or boo him?

When he debuted, the fans hated him cause the gimmick sucked. Noone in that generation wanted to see a "traditional" star, they tuned into W.C.W. with Hogan, Savage & Flair for that.

When he turned heel, they loved him in time, cause he bad mouthed them (the fans) & used a 3rd person perspective.. they still hated him at first, but started liking him.. probably because Steve Austin's heelish tactics mixed by being face, blurred what fans were suppose to think.

 

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Of Course we as fans have the right to boo and cheer who we want, if we rreally want to. If i was told not to boo someone, i would boo them all the way in the crowd if i wanted, it's part of the entertainment to do that.

The difference with Cena is the fact that he is a very average wrestler, with not much of big personality or anything different that really draws him away from other superstars, but he always wins the matches & keeps that championship, and thats because WWE want him to do that, and making someone "invincible" who average to start with eventually becomes teduis and very tiring because you end up watching a predictable match, and you become disappointed.

For example: Umaga and Khali are great examples of two very large strong men, that dominated almost every superstar in the WWE including the likes of The Undertaker, Kane, HHH, Micheals, Orton, Batista (list goes on) now all these superstars just mention (especially kane/Micheals/taker) have dominated the WWE for years and taking people out, yet they couldn't finish the job on khali or umage, yet.. somehow cena (an average wrestler) manages to.
From a fans point of view, people like TAKER are loosing to khali and umaga, yet jhon cena's winning ALL the time and NO one else is getting a chance.

He needs to loose that title soon or else fans will turn by the minute on him, people dont want to watch PREDICTABLE wrestling cards, and yes, we do have the right to boo or cheer who we want, because without us, The WWE wouldn't be in business, so they are shooting themselves in their own foot, and wonder why ratings drop.

It' can only get worse.