Do all the similar finishing moves bother you?

[wrestler36]

Obviously, there is a cap on move innovation, but I've seen this variation too often lately. The RKO, Dirty Deeds, Adam Rose's and Curtis Axel's finishers are all too similar. Ambrose is a little different as he has and overhook so it's more like a DDT, but what do you think? Do they need new finishes (except for Orton, of course)? I wouldn't mind seeing Ambrose use a submission, like the Chicken Wing, or Rose bring back the Buff Blockbuster.

 

[JoeyJoeJoe]

Yeah, the problem I think is that finishing moves have to follow a certain standard -- they have to either be sudden, they have to look devastating in some way, and they can't look like one of the garden variety moves one uses during a match. The problem is that leads to escalation: For instance, the DDT used to be a game over move when Jake Roberts or Arn Anderson used it. Now, it's just a move that will be kicked out of. The suddenness aspect of finishers means there's only so many moves that can meet that requirement, and so they all look like some form of DDT or Stone Cold Stunner/RKO.

The finisher that I hate the most is the Skull Crushing Finale/Stroke. I've seen varieties of this one a few times and I've yet to see anyone make this move look effective.

 

[BestWrestlingOpinions]

As you said, there is a limit to the innovation of new moves. Eventually you run out. Everything has pretty much been done before. The only thing I can see happening is bringing back old moves that aren't used a lot lately. Submissions is a good thing. But seriously, you can't find many high impact and impressive finishers anymore. Everything is just a slight variation of what has been done before in the past, given a new name and suddenly, it is one's most destructive move.

Or, at times, they create something that certainly doesn't look like a finisher, especially when compared to other moves. Take Seth Rollins for example. The stomp he does, in real life if hit correctly or something, will break your face. But it doesn't look so impressive, compared to other moves, neither so destructive. How can a believe that a top rope superplex can't keep someone down for a three count, but this stomp does? On a side note, I loved the stomp on Ambrose on the chair. It looked badass.

To add more to this, it is also annoying when past finishers are used as regular moves. The backstabber done by Carlito is now used by Del Rio as a regular.

 

[JoeyJoeJoe]

To add more to this, it is also annoying when past finishers are used as regular moves. The backstabber done by Carlito is now used by Del Rio as a regular.

Honestly, it's been a problem for years, probably starting with Hulk Hogan.

Somehow, we believed that a series of punches, followed by a big boot and a legdrop was enough to put absolutely anybody away (and everyone would fall prey to exact same routine for years!)

Now we're supposed to believe that THIS guy's backstabber is devastating but not the backstabber by the guy who is 20 to 30 pounds heavier.

 

[wrestler36]

true. Lot's of old finishers have been done so many times now as a regular move. The DDT stands out the most. The nice thing is simple moves can still 'sell.' The Bullhammer is really just an elbow. I'm sure if somebody like Luke Harper justs does a running boot, that would look like a devastating finisher

 

[OYDK]

Not really. It bugs me more when somebody uses a variation of another wrestler's finisher as just another move in their arsenal and it gets kicked out of... Honestly what's the difference between a DDT and Ambroses finisher? Or Rollins knee to the head and Daniel Bryan's knee to the head? Same impact, but somehow the finisher always ends the match. At least if some of the finishers are similar, it makes it look as if any variation of that move can actually put that somebody away.

 

[L'autre frere rougeau]

As you said, there is a limit to the innovation of new moves. Eventually you run out. Everything has pretty much been done before. The only thing I can see happening is bringing back old moves that aren't used a lot lately. Submissions is a good thing. But seriously, you can't find many high impact and impressive finishers anymore. Everything is just a slight variation of what has been done before in the past, given a new name and suddenly, it is one's most destructive move.

Now i'm sorry but i disagree with that statement.

There was a moment i would have agreed with that but then i've started to watch roh chikara and some japanese promotions and i was amazed at the creativy some of the guys were showing. And most of those moves weren't driver ou head moves

 

[bxbigshow]

I hate finishers that are "pose-based" where the wrestler lifts his opponent, then turns to the hard camera and finishes the move.

Anything that starts from the fireman's carry position (except the F5). Cena's AA, the Wasteland Barrett did. Along with other pose moves (Shellshock from Ryback, Big E's Big Ending), just looks annoying and has no impact.

 

[Trill Co$by]

You know, one of the main reasons why I wanted [and still want] to see Austin Aries in the WWE was to give the Brainbuster a bigger scale. Sure, it probably wouldn't have happened considering the cut back on those type of moves, but then again you never know. To me, it's at a point where someone using it would look awesome on WWE TV, yet not old enough for people not to remember it.

As for the finishers around today, I don't mind them being similar. I mean, there was a time in the Ruthless Aggression where the Overdrive was everyone's starting finisher until a new one could be found. I kind of like that idea honestly. Make them earn their moves.

 

[Headman]

It's not the similar finishing moves that bother me. It's the similar looks, characters, promos, wrestling style and all of that stuff. Rick Rude and Honky Tonk Man had very similar finishers but their characters could never be mistaken for one another. Too man wrestlers now look, act and wrestle the same.

 

[BOO_TISTA]

I agree %100 on the chicken wing, it is an excellent submission hold, could easily be a finisher.

I'd like to see a WWE wrestler who didn't have a finisher at all, I think that would make someone stand-out. They could have signature moves they do all the time, but someone that won a different way every time would be unique at this point.

 

[Trill Co$by]

It's not the similar finishing moves that bother me. It's the similar looks, characters, promos, wrestling style and all of that stuff. Rick Rude and Honky Tonk Man had very similar finishers but their characters could never be mistaken for one another. Too man wrestlers now look, act and wrestle the same.

Yeah because Seth Rollins looks so much like Dolph Ziggler... Because Dean Ambrose looks so much like Curtis Axel... because Reigns looks so much like Ryback. The characters and promos nowadays have become far less gimmicky and more reality based. They feel less like a promo per say, and more like actual people talking. And yet, everyone in WWE is unique enough to not get them confused. If you do get them confused, then maybe you should get rid of that black and white television, and maybe take off that Shittitude Era dunce cap.

 

[Radical]

If finishing moves get too similar then, yes, it bothers me.

Like yes, Adam Rose and Curtis Axel have very similar finishers and one needs to make a change.

I can't really think of any other finishers that are too similar to each other right now though.

When Fandango first came in he had that twisting back flatliner that Bray Wyatt now calls Sister Abigail. Luckily, they quickly had Fandango stop doing it and he just does the top rope leg drop now and only Wyatt does a finisher like that.

I will say, I always like when I see a finisher that is more unique than most, like Rollins' Curb Stomp. That move is basically the exact move I imagined doing if I was a wrestler but until Rollins it was never really a wrestling move yet. Now it is, and it looks good.

My biggest problem with finishers, though, is how some moves by certain wrestlers are just regular 'always going to kick-out moves' and others similar to that are somehow 'finishers'. Like Big Show punches you with his fist in your face and you're out. But most wrestlers punch each other in the face throughout the match but it is never a 'knock-out' blow. But why? I guess we have to believe because Big Show is that much bigger than the rest he is the only one who has a knock-out blow punch.

Then there is Ryback who does Shell Shocked. It looks pretty good from a strength kind of way but honestly the backpack stunner he does looks more devastating yet that is never a finisher for some reason.

Curtis Axel now does that running knee. Looks super devastating but that never knocks the opponent out either.

I guess the thing is ... since it is pro wrestling and NOT UFC the moves that become Finishers are not the realistically most devastating, they are the ones that look the flashiest (and hopefully at least look SOMEWHAT devastating).

Because if only the really, truly devastating moves were finishers it would be just like the UFC and most wrestlers would win with right hooks, roundhouse kicks or triangle hold submissions.

 

[Headman]

Yeah because Seth Rollins looks so much like Dolph Ziggler... Because Dean Ambrose looks so much like Curtis Axel... because Reigns looks so much like Ryback. The characters and promos nowadays have become far less gimmicky and more reality based. They feel less like a promo per say, and more like actual people talking. And yet, everyone in WWE is unique enough to not get them confused. If you do get them confused, then maybe you should get rid of that black and white television, and maybe take off that Shittitude Era dunce cap.

lol first of all the "Shittitude era" as you put it is my least favorite time period in wrestling history. But I guess now that you mention it they did have better defined characters than they do now.

Now if only you could un-pee your pants because I never said NONE of today's wrestlers had their own define looks or personas I said too many don't. Your selective reading will cause you a lot of grief on the internet but I'll cut you some slack since there was a typo in my original post. Although you still assumed way too much.

Now you've established that none of these guys are going to be confused for one another. It's true. None of them are identical twins. Brilliant observation. I guess we can now focus on something I actually said instead of continuing with the argument waging in your own mind. But let's look at some of these guys...

What is Dolph Ziggler's gimmick? He's cocky? He's a show off? Is that really it? Honky Tonk Man was a cocky show off. Hell, Curtis Axel is a cocky show off. Dolph Ziggler's entire persona is something that happens to be an attribute of 65% of all the wrestlers who've ever set foot in a wrestling ring. So what aside from having blond hair makes Ziggler's persona any different from Curtis Axel's? Oh, but that's enough for you isn't it? The blond hair obviously sets them apart which is why Ziggler's career went down the toilet for the two weeks he spent as a brunette.

Now let's move on to your statement about promos. They feel less like promos and more like actual people talking? A promo is called a promo because it's PROMOTING the match! I hear actual people talking at work every day. I don't want to buy anything from any of them. So you just based an entire argument on something you don't even understand. These guys aren't trying to have an actual conversation. They're trying to sell the match but they suck at it so it seems like two guys talking in real life.

Do you really think we're living in a golden age of wrestling personalities? Forget my black and white television set, I want the one you're watching on. And maybe some of that shit you're smoking.

 

[BestWrestlingOpinions]

Now i'm sorry but i disagree with that statement.

There was a moment i would have agreed with that but then i've started to watch roh chikara and some japanese promotions and i was amazed at the creativy some of the guys were showing. And most of those moves weren't driver ou head moves

Well, this isn't NJPW or Chikara or ROH though. It is the WWE. WWE is entertainment. The rest are pro wrestling, that's why you see all those cool moves there.

 

[theblasterkid]

The running knee that Axel does is the Knee Trembler; the same one used by William Regal. It would be cool if he used it as a new finisher though. I like running knee attacks. As for Ryback, yeah the Backpack Stunner does look better than the his Shell Shock; maybe he could march around the ring with the opponent on his back before doing it first. The Miz could use a new finisher because I hate the Skull Crashing Finale, and he also looks lame doing the Figure-Four. Why do they have Rusev doing a lame ass Camel Clutch? His finisher should be that side kick and then stomp on the opponent's abdomen or chest as a pin then pose. Dolph's finisher should be a Super Kick. BNB's Wasteland sucks (good that he just uses it as a sig now) and his finisher should be Winds of Change, not the Bull Hammer. Cena's AA is garbage and so does is his STF (he looks like he's having anal sex plus he doesn't grip under the chin). Santino's Cobra is just plain fucking stupid. Bo Dallas' Bo-Dog is a lame ass Corner Bulldog. My god! One of the stupidest signatures and finishers is Mojo Rawley's ass bump then Hyperdrive I think he calls it. I don't like Naomi's Night Falls as a finisher either, but it can pass as a signature. Oh, and the Paige Turner sucks to as a finisher for Paige; it should be the set up move for the PTO. Anyway, I'm done ranting.

 

[~Heup©~]

I'm not sure if it's just a lack of creativity or if they are getting assigned finishers but I have to say a lot of the finishers today are boring and kinda lame. My all time favorite finisher has to be the codebreaker. I like the quick impact ones such as the RKO and similar ones. My current favorite of the active roster would be Seth Rollins curb stomp. Its different and it just looks devastating.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Now i'm sorry but i disagree with that statement.

There was a moment i would have agreed with that but then i've started to watch roh chikara and some japanese promotions and i was amazed at the creativy some of the guys were showing. And most of those moves weren't driver ou head moves

You can do those moves when you and the other guy weigh 160 pounds and you only wrestle twice a week. There's a difference. Plus honestly, a lot of those moves look contrived as hell. Contrived doesn't get over with the mainstream wrestling audience. It has too look like a struggle, not gymnastics.

I have no problem with it. The coolest moves in history aren't the most memorable. People remember the savage elbow, hogan leg drop, rock bottom, stunner, sharpshooter, people's elbow, Attitude Adjustment, etc. Basic moves, but how they were presented they got over.

 

[Soulblazed]

The running knee that Axel does is the Knee Trembler; the same one used by William Regal. It would be cool if he used it as a new finisher though. I like running knee attacks. As for Ryback, yeah the Backpack Stunner does look better than the his Shell Shock; maybe he could march around the ring with the opponent on his back before doing it first. The Miz could use a new finisher because I hate the Skull Crashing Finale, and he also looks lame doing the Figure-Four. Why do they have Rusev doing a lame ass Camel Clutch? His finisher should be that side kick and then stomp on the opponent's abdomen or chest as a pin then pose. Dolph's finisher should be a Super Kick. BNB's Wasteland sucks (good that he just uses it as a sig now) and his finisher should be Winds of Change, not the Bull Hammer. Cena's AA is garbage and so does is his STF (he looks like he's having anal sex plus he doesn't grip under the chin). Santino's Cobra is just plain fucking stupid. Bo Dallas' Bo-Dog is a lame ass Corner Bulldog. My god! One of the stupidest signatures and finishers is Mojo Rawley's ass bump then Hyperdrive I think he calls it. I don't like Naomi's Night Falls as a finisher either, but it can pass as a signature. Oh, and the Paige Turner sucks to as a finisher for Paige; it should be the set up move for the PTO. Anyway, I'm done ranting.

I agree with you on the Rusev rant. I do like the Camel Clutch and Rusev does pull it off good, but at the same time, Rusev is also legit trained in Sambo. Rusev could use that deadlyass sidekick of his as a set-up move for whatever submission finisher he's going for. He should be using Sambo submission moves to take his opponents out. For example, next time Rusev jobs out Big E, he should use a Sambo submission to take out Big E instead of the Camel Clutch.

 

[Reflection]

I don't mind it... Two wrestlers can have the same finisher coincidentally. Adam Rose and Dean Ambrose have the same move, Cody Rhodes, The Miz and Heath Slater have a similar move, The Usos (and Dean Ambrose, I think) have started using a variation of Goldust's trademark punch, apart from Cody Rhodes... They just have to make sure that not too many people start using the same move, like the 'true PG era' divas- 90% of whom had the DDT as finisher or a signature move. Another such move is the Spear, but now thankfully with the departure of Kaitlyn and Batista, and Big Show appearing sporadically, Roman Reigns is the only one who does that.