Divas of Doom? Really?

[jtolliver23]

So I will first and foremost apologize if this has already been brought up, and if it has, feel free to merge. So here is my question, the "Divas of Doom," Beth and Natalya, what are they planning on doing with them? They are supposed to be these hardcore badass team, but yet, they constantly get beat by Kelly Kelly, Eve, and Alicia Fox? The only time they when a match is when the title is on the line, but other than that they are made to look weak in my opinion. What the 'E should be doing, again in my opinion, is building up the two of them as dominant monsters of the Divas division that way when Kharma returns, there could be a face off between Kharma (the real monster of the Divas) and the two that have tried to wreak havoc while she's been gone. As it is right now, I am totally underwhelmed by the thought of Kharma versus Natalya or Beth because they seem to lose to everybody, so I just picture Kharma dominating them. Thoughts? Opinions?

 

[MizMark11]

Yeah, I really have no idea what they are doing with them. In less than a week, they have both lost to Alicia Fox in extremely short matches. What I don't understand is that Beth will go toe-to-toe with Kelly Kelly or Eve at a pay-per-view and beat them in matches of decent length, but when it comes to wrestling on Raw or SD, Beth and Nattie lose in almost a minute regardless if it's tag matches or singles. WWE should be building them up as a force. Everyone wanted to see them as a force when they began teaming up. Then they just started sucking. I hope to see them be built up better as Kharma returns or hopefully a returning Lay-Cool. Those are two feuds that I would love to see.

 

[JohnOldSnake4]

I couldn't agree with you more. The two best female athletes in the WWE today are Beth Phoenix and Natalya. Neither Kelly or Alicia belongs anywhere near a wrestling ring at all in my opinion (Eve is a pretty decent athlete and seems to care about improving in the ring unlike the other two mentioned), let alone working with either of the DoD, and definitely let alone beating them so damn much. Natalya doesn't really seem to do a whole lot of anything these days and Beth is being treated like shit having to drag Kelly's annoying arse through 5-minute piss-breaks when Beth and Nattie could put on fantastic matches regularly if working with each other. Otherwise, these two should be tearing through the likes of Kelly, Alicia and Eve over the next few months until Kharma's return, setting up a battle between the two juggernauts of the diva's division, Divas of Doom and Kharma. As things stand right now, it's a head scratcher. I don't see where this whole angle is headed long-term or why we should care about them, if they're just gonna job to barbie dolls week in and week out.

 

[ThinkinSmart]

2 things have peeked my intrest in the divas division since Stratus left. 1 was Kharma debuting and 2 was this team. I think they're great and are honestly the only two divas who I like watching, they put on great matches and even bring out the best in their opponents who can barely hold their own let alone sell for some one else. I think the problem might be that making them look so dominant makes the other Divas look week (which they are). WWE might also feel that these two being so dominant might show how week the wrestling ability's of all the other divas are. What ever reason WWE needs to fix this and give these two good opponents and great victories and if the former porn star or model can't keep up in the ring with either of these two than I say you fire them and hire some one who will.

 

[matman8540]

The E will never allow that to happen. To them, the Diva Division is eye candy...only. Not since they had the Golden Age of Divas with Trish, Lita, Victoria, Ivory, Molly, and the African-American lady (I apologize, I forgot her name, and I don't mean Miss Jacqueline); and being trained by Finlay; was there any interest by The Powers That Be at all. Also, there was a Silver Age with Mickie, Victoria, Beth, and Melina; and Maryse was improving.

 

[akathelaw]

It makes no sense and weakens the whole division. The DofD or "Sisters of Salvation" were meant to be showcased as the 2 powerhouses of the division, yet the wins the smaller divas have acquired against these 2 were not hard fought, or the result of quick strategy. These 2 are loyal to the boss and wrap up quick like the boss wants... It makes Beth and Nattie look WEAK and inconsequential. The booking in WWE is getting sloppy and it's hurting the shows.

 

[trashboy]

The E will never allow that to happen. To them, the Diva Division is eye candy...only. Not since they had the Golden Age of Divas with Trish, Lita, Victoria, Ivory, Molly, and the African-American lady (I apologize, I forgot her name, and I don't mean Miss Jacqueline); and being trained by Finlay; was there any interest by The Powers That Be at all. Also, there was a Silver Age with Mickie, Victoria, Beth, and Melina; and Maryse was improving.

Do you mean Jazz?

Anyway, yes, I was actually pissed this past Monday when Beth lost to Alicia. I thought, really? Beth is the Diva's champ. She should not be losing any non title matches this much. Beth and Natty can wrestle circles around the rest of the diva's. They're supposed to be dominant, yet they lose almost every match they have. I'm a huge fan of female wrestling, but WWE's division is just horrible and has been for a long time. I was hoping that Beth and Natty's team was going to bring the division back up just a little, but we're still seeing the untalented diva's beating them. And even though everyone has their hopes up of Kharma bringing the division back to where it should be. It's not going to happen. For one, I think Kharma isn't that great anyway. And second, she'll probably dominant for a few months win the diva's title. Then start losing to someone like Kelly Kelly. The Diva's division is pretty much just eye candy. Kharma is one big eye sore, can't see her taking over the division for very long.

 

[JohnJohnson]

This has been a particularly frustrating thing for me as well. I mean the Divas division has been horrible for years but this is just making it worse. When they took the biggest, strongest Diva and teamed her with the best Diva and niece of the legendary Bret Hart, I thought "great idea" WWE. The problem with the Divas division was a bunch of no talent barbie dolls stumbling around a ring screaming. I was thinking that taking the only real wrestlers in the Divas division would be a way of cleaning this mess up. We would at least be able to enjoy watching the barbies get dominated. Maybe even bring Kharma to save them. But did WWE do this? Of course not. It doesn't fit their formula of letting the babyfaces beat the heels no matter how unbelievable it may be. WWE already buried the division a long time ago with the new Divas belt as the grave marker. With the "Divas of Doom" I thought they were going to dig them up and resurrect the division. Instead they dug it up, crapped on it and then re-burried it.
The way I would have booked it is by having them destroy all the other Diva's week in and week out either with Beth's power or Natalya's technical ability's. I'd love seeing Kelly Kelly tap out to a sharp shooter. It would be even better if she refused to let go after the bell and when the referee tried to break the hold Beth hit him with her finisher lol. But anyways I would have given the belt to Natalya and have her bring back the Women's Championship belt, then have her and Beth obliterate any Diva in singles or tag matches. This will hopefully motivate the other Divas to get serious in real life and actually work on their performance. Then after a few months of feuding with and destroying all of the Diva's, start showing a soft spot in Natalya's character. Maybe shaking hands with a Diva who almost beat her. Turn it into a Beth v Natalya feud in which we can get some good matches leading to Beth winning and injuring Natalya. I would eventually have Beth cut a promo about being the most powerful Diva in WWE hisory, only to be interrupted by Chyna. Since Chyna says she has one more match in her they can have it at Mania. Chyna wins but then Beth attacks her with a weapon thusly retiring Chyna as Women's Champ and putting the belt up for grabs in a Diva battle Royal. Beth eliminates everyone and just as she thought she won, Natalya makes her return and eliminates her.
Idk, that's just the way I would have done the "Divas of Doom". The only good thing about the shitty way that WWE has booked them is that it is only the Diva's division so I'm already used to using it as an extended commercial break.

 

[andy30]

I agree with all the comments made. I am a huge fan of women's wrestling, always have been and it frustrates me now that the WWE are once again promoting the untalented, model type women over serious workers like Beth and Natalya. Kelly Kelly is just horrible to watch in the ring, clueless, limited and cant run the ropes but, shes the most pushed female performer in the division and all because WWE got a little bit of cheap publicity from her Maxim cover shoot. Her reign as 'divas' champion was bad, the role was beyond her and it shoudn't have lasted as long as it did. Beth even losing to her at NOC in her hometown was shocking, I couldn't believe that WWE would do that, I was gutted for Beth. Natalya is amazing and that company hasn't even touched on what she can do in the ring, they are totally underutilizing her as they think what the fans want to see is the bibmos in 2 minute forgettable matches. It's got so bad that I just read the spoilers as I cant watch Raw or Smackdown if Beth or Natalya lose. Its sad but, I think the damage has been done to both their careers after the goings on the last few months. Just imagine what those two could do in TNA!

 

[#CenaHeelTurn]

WWE has done, what WWE does..... BURY Women's "Rasslin".

All WWE cares about is having the Kelly Kellys of the world. We all know this.

I thought they might have finally been changing things when this angle started, but it has been destroyed by people like Kelly Kelly, Eve and Rihana V2.0 with clean wins over the DoD.

 

[Dalinkwent]

What's most perplexing is WWE started pushing the "Diva's of Doom" gimmick RIGHT BEFORE they started loosing almost every other match. Even funnier is they aired a video package selling Nattie and Beth as dominate right before they had a match with Kelly 2 and Beth lost to a roll up. This speaks volumes about how WWE can be counter-productive to there own angles. It simply makes no sense to push someone as dominate, then have them loose all the time. It seems WWE has no interest in pushing heel's who can actually get the job done. Yes Mark Henry was a breath of fresh air, but it didn't last long because he started getting knocked out every other week and then pinned by ZACK RYDER!!!

 

[JohnJohnson]

I agree that WWE has a hard time pushing heel's. What makes it so bad isn't just the fact that the heels always lose. It's the fact that a superstar or diva can do very well as a face and then as soon as they turn heel they become more or less a jobber who gets a couple dirty wins on occasion. In that sense the title "Divas of Doom" is apt because once they became the main heels they were doomed. Also when they became the "Divas of Doom" they(to no fault of their own) doomed what tiny shred of credibility the division had.

 

[EastCoastFan]

The problem is that, as good as Beth and Natalya are in the ring, WWE really wants Kelly Kelly and the models to be the faces of 'The Divas' because the hotties are more marketable to a mass audience (that's part of why they pushed Trish over Lita). Their logic is that if the models keep beating the top female wrestlers in the company, it will give them credibility. I'll give Kelly credit for not having the same bad reputation that Sable, Stacy Keibler and Torrie Wilson had backstage when it came to learning to wrestle (all three have been villified as unwilling to learn and more interested in getting by on their looks), but she's just as bad as they were.

 

[JohnJohnson]

But at the same time back when Sable, Stacy, and Torrie were in it, the women wrestlers were used more for sex appeal than anything else. WWE eventually shifted away from the sex appeal and focus more on the wrestling. What also annoys me is the fact that WWE tries to promote such a positive image and the whole reason that we have to have a Divas match on every single card is to show that women wrestlers count too, yet they contradict themselves in a way by showing that it doesn't matter how hard a woman has worked or how talented she is because, when it comes down to it, all that matters is which ones fit that model mold.

 

[sanefan_har]

The divas division is being booked terribly. Its just sad when a match(that no one cares about) doesn't last more than a few minutes. What was the longest divas match this year?? about 7 minutes or so.
But on an average, a divas match tends to about barely 2-3 minutes.

And now about the Divas of Doom. I don't really recall natalya winning a match this year. After the Hart foundation split and her diva/women's championship reign, she's really been more of beth's sidekick. Beth taking that 48 second loss to alicia was disastrous. Even worse was alicia gloating about beth's swollen face on twitter. If they are trying to work an angle, people should be bothered about it. Which really isn't the case over here.

 

[XXJJ]

Yeah they dont cause much "doom". But they also are not that good at playing that type of character, like Karma was. Beth is so overrated. She is bland and boring. Natty is good in the ring but like Beth she is dull.

The diva division sucks right now.

 

[thrashtastic]

I gave up hope in the women's division entirely, unfortunately. As a female wrestling fan, that sucks to have to say especially when I got to see the glory days with Lita, Trish, Molly, ect. I had glimmers of hope with Kharma and then the Divas of Doom deal, but they got shit on with pregnancy and jobbing to bimbos, respectively.

At least when Kelly was beating Beth, it was with quick roll-ups so it was somewhat believable. The last loss to Alicia Fox? Give me a break! Oh, and let's not forget when they had Beth lose to Kelly in New York. She got the biggest pop I've heard for a woman in a long time, and maybe a win that got a real reaction would have helped the division in some way. That was just stupid.

As far as Natalya, what they are doing to her is just an awful shame. She's a Hart! Beth at least gets the title no matter how weak they are making her, but Nattie is regulated to sidekick and even more jobbing. Maybe one day they could the girls break up as a team and work a program with each other to help the division, but I doubt it at this point because they've been made to look so weak that no one would care just like no one cares now.

They are making strides with the male roster with guys like Punk, Ryder, Ziggler, and Bryan, why not do it with the female roster as well? There are places for eye candy. It's called being a valet. What's so wrong with that? Why do all the women have to wrestler? I don't get it, but I guess that's why I'm on the internet bitching. Haha.

 

[Suibon]

WWE has done, what WWE does..... BURY Women's "Rasslin".

All WWE cares about is having the Kelly Kellys of the world. We all know this.

I thought they might have finally been changing things when this angle started, but it has been destroyed by people like Kelly Kelly, Eve and Rihana V2.0 with clean wins over the DoD.

This would be true if Natalya and Beth are actually drawing anything - heat, pops, anything in the guise of a reaction to their mauling divas they see as fragile Barbie dolls. But they aren't. Even a promising angle and above-average wrestling skills can only take you so far if nobody cares about the goings-on within your division, and Natalya and Beth aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer.

It's that simple, as hard as it is to admit. The Divas of Doom aren't gifted or even decent talkers, and the rest of the divas, with maybe one or two exceptions, are amateurs. That's all there is to it - no burying, just a crappy division by two girls who can't draw.

 

[jtolliver23]

Wow, glad people have taken an interest in this. I do agree, the Diva's Division has gone downhill, and will probably never be back to its glory days of Trish and Lita. But the way Beth and Nattie are being treated and jobbing out to those who just have no talent whatsoever in the ring. I'm sorry, but Kelly Kelly, no talent. Nice to look at, but that's about it. It was mentioned that Beth and Natalya can't get any heat, but I think that if they started going through and just running over the other Divas and destroying them, that they would get that heat that they need to be relevant before Kharma comes back. But right now, it really just seems like creative doesn't give a damn about the Divas and they are just waiting for Kharma to come back to do something with them.

 

[Psychopathic Savior]

I totally agree that DOD could of been great but i guess now that punk aint with beth they stopped caring. But it doesnt matter bc when Karma comes back she would bury both of them. I think they need to have real matches and also i got to say i think Eve has improved and at least unlike fox or kk she doesnt hurt anyone in the ring bc she sucks. She is trained in mma by gracie so she could use that to legit beat them with some submissions but other than that none the divas are worth a damn

 

[BarryHorowitzfanclub]

Alicia Fox is actually even less talented than Kelly Kelly, and Maria; I thought that was impossible. I don't get changing her gimmick from a true "diva" to a stupid spunky girl. These girls are too small to actually do anything; hence the totally botched spot, I mean, entire match with Beth. Color me crazy, but fit bodies are more attractive than stick figures.

Vince must really like building in a bathroom break.

 

[Dagger Dias]

Yeah.... I was expecting more dominance from them myself. Natalya is taking all sorts of losses to Beth's challengers, and Beth is coming up short in some non-title matches as well. The two of them should have been booked to be nearly unbeatable. After all, it looks rather unimpressive if the barbie princesses can sneak in a victory against them. Kelly and Eve will remain over enough just for their appearances. Losing the actual matches to Beth/Natalya won't hurt their popularity. Beth and Natalya on the other hand are losing credibility by losing these matches.

Sure I'm happy that Beth is Divas Champion as we finally have a girl who can WRESTLE holding the title. She should have squashed Kelly, Eve, and any other challenger though. Natalya would make a great Wrestlemania feud for Beth, wanting a shot of her own at the title. Then when Kharma comes back we can have a divas dream feud. WWE somewhat dropped the ball but things can still be fixed if they book Beth and Natalya both in a MUCH stronger fashion, rarely ever losing, because they NEED to be DOMINANT. That's the main problem.

 

[Heel Beard]

I was terribly disappointed with "Pinup Strong", there really is nothing going on in the Divas division.

 

[stephenjpunk317]

Just reading through the first posts about this, I agree with the sentiment that what has this even done for Beth and Natalya. I remember one week they lost, and Michael Cole said it's been weeks since the divas of doom have lost a match, and I was thinking they losing every time they go out. Which really sucks, since there's talent there. I don't know the direction they want to go with this, but obviously the divas division as a whole has no direction.

 

[Remy LaCroix]

I lost faith in the "Divas of Doom" angle when they had Natalya lose to most divas and Beth Phoenix had to resort to heel tactics to become Divas champion -- I know she's a heel, but still... Is it some kind of joke when they lose to the "barbie dolls" they're going after? But they're "dominating", I guess. Whatever.

Give me my +1 post count!