Did the WWE drop the ball with Legacy

[Motor City Jeezy]

I think WWE dropped the ball after Legacy beat DX a few months ago. The entire purpose of HBK returning, supposedly, was to help Triple H eliminate Legacy so that Triple H could dismantle Orton without interference. DX failed on that front and... moved on? That left Legacy with nothing to do. They didn't even challenge for the tag team titles. Instead, DX got that privilege even though Legacy has proven themselves to be the better tag team on RAW. WWE won't give Legacy an opportunity to be tag team champions, but won't put them in a US title run. It's disappointing to see them competing only as Orton's errand boys because they both have so much potential individually and as a tag team.

 

[btalru07]

Yes they dropped the ball with Legacy, the only thing I remember about them is that they lost all the dang time, and got made look like scrubs. They gave the tag belts to DX over Legacy and it seemed like Legacy was Randy Orton with 2 henchman rather than complimentary personas that could mix their own styles to make it a dynamic stable

 

[Father:_Polley]

I don't think Legacy were let down by Creative at all. The comparisons between Legacy and Evolution aren't quite fair I don't think. With Evolution, you had a legend, a guy just passing his prime, and two guys who were already names and close to gold in Orton and Batista.

Contrast that with Legacy and you have Orton as a contender for gold still, with two young guys with famous names to live up to.

To my mind, Legacy was about impact. Getting DiBiase and Rhodes over as guys who weren't afraid to get their hands dirty and show they could live up to the name and become their own people. Evolution was about dominating with the stars that they had.

Legacy still has two options, either turn on Orton and feud with arguably the most all round heel in the company, or Teddy goes and they bring in the new guys, as The Sparks above me has stated.

Two viable options doesn't show signs of a dropped ball

 

[theHeadliner]

I think at times they made Legacy look weak and clueless. I hated week after week when they would just do a run in to save Orton and end up just getting thrown around like rag dolls. They also couldn't throw "working" stomps to save their lives because they looked ridiculously fake every time they would stomp someone. They looked good in that time they worked with DX, but where are they now? Lately they haven't even been on the show besides the last 2 weeks. Either Rhodes or Dibiase should have gotten a mid-card title or the tag titles. One other thing that i think hurt them was they didn't get any one on one feuds and the chance to talk a lot in a program until the end with DX. In Evolution Orton had his own programs and so did Batista. Rhodes and Batista really seemed liked man servant bitches to Orton at times and they didn't get any singles experience.

 

[baldjedi]

I definitely think having the Hart Dynasty throw a swerve and replace Rhodes and Dibiase would be a great idea. It would give the Dynasty the kick start they need because they are talented, but stale. With Nytalia, the Dynasty and Orton, things could get very interesting in addition to giving Priceless a reason to go face. I could see them turn on Orton and the Hart Dynasty show up to save Randy creating a new feud along with spicing things up quite a bit.

 

[Ryander88]

The problem with Legacy is the same thing I believe is wrong with the WWE today...there is not such thing as a NON-Main Event Feud!

Look at the two mid-card titles. The United States Title meant next to nothing this year and the only time there was a real feud, with a real story, surrounding the Intercontinental Title was when Mysterio and Jericho (two main event level stars) were feuding over the belt. Same deal with the tag team titles. They meant nothing, not even worth being on the WrestleMania 25 card, until Jeri-Show and DX got involved.

I was recently looking through the old Summerslam and WrestleMania History threads and realized that these mid-card titles and the Tag Titles often did have a feud or at least some personality behind them. Savage/Steamboat at WrestleMania III is one of the greatest matches of all time because there was a story and the two wrestlers could act their way to something great. We saw this same sort of storytelling when Dibiase faced Orton this year and Dibiase wouldn't strike back.

This, in my opinion, was the greatest example of Legacy's potential.

Together, Rhodes and Dibiase should have run the tag team division, essentially playing the role Jeri-Show did, but for the last 18 months. Creative should have begun by giving them the belts, then challengers, allowing the team to prove that they were the best simply because they were second or third generation. They should have been valuable assets to Orton when he held the title. Being pivotal in helping him gain the title, but also being true roadblocks for his challengers. Batista literally beat these two week in and week out before destroying Orton. It was sad. They looked weak.

I honestly can't understand how creative sucked so bad with handling Legacy. These two don't need to win every match, they just need to look like they are contenders. Batista could still run through Legacy with these guys looking strong if it was booked right. But the current school of thought in the WWE creative department is that the only way to create a superstar is to shoot them to the top and make them win everyone match along the way.

Just give these kids some feuds. They should have been the center of the tag division all along; breaking off around this point by passing the torch to the Hart Dynasty.

Instead, we have four talents that will probably never be as important as they should be. Or maybe there still is hope. Who knows? But who really gives a damn? Not creative.

 

[Motor City Jeezy]

Just give these kids some feuds. They should have been the center of the tag division all along; breaking off around this point by passing the torch to the Hart Dynasty.

Exactly. I think we're going to see Ted DiBiase rebel against Randy Orton next week because of what happened on RAW this week. Instead of this event being pivotal to the tag team division, it won't even make a ripple in it. Legacy should've been the dominating tag team in the WWE for the last several months now, but instead we've seen how many Cody Rhodes vs. Mark Henry/Ted DiBiase vs. MVP matches? Legacy could've been great, I think. Now that the separation is starting to take effect, neither Rhodes nor DiBiase will have gained anything from Legacy.

 

[Super Crazy]

I have to say, after seeing Raw, I am disappointed. It has totally reminded me of why I have hated this Legacy angle. This could have been the next Evolution-esque stable. Now Evolution was formed, to build to main eventers in Batista and Randy Orton. Now, explain to me, why Legacy could not have been done in a similar manner?

Legacy could have helped build Cody Rhodes and Ted DiBiase Jr into the next big stars for the new generation. But instead, they used them as lackeys and weaklings. The only time Legacy ever looked good was against DX this summer. Legacy should have been given the Unified tag team titles off of Jeri-Show, maybe not right away, but somewheres in the past year, they should have won the belts. Legacy should have been built up as a dominant tag team made up of two strong up and comers.

We all have had high hopes in Ted turning face on Orton, but honestly, I don't even care about what comes of this angle anymore. I honestly feel it will be more shit then when Orton turned face and was against Evolution.

Legacy could have been great. They could have, and should have, held all the gold. They should not have been steamrolled by everyone and lose quite often. Legacy should have been the guys that, even in losing , they look strong and were a challenge to beat. Instead, we've got two guys, essentially with no direction. Hell I've got an even better twist.

If Legacy had one the unified tag team titles, one of them could go over to Smackdown, and win the Intercontinental title, while the other is on Raw and winning the US title. This could have worked, at least for a bit. Plus it would have done wonders for what is eventually going to become their singles careers. That is just an idea though, as there are many different ways Legacy could have been made to look strong and ready for an eventual break up.

The WWE really did drop the ball here. Legacy should have been built up in tag team feuds all year long, not just one small feud.

 

[Father:_Polley]

You and I both know the second WWE had Legacy carrying both tag and midcard gold, as well as Orton holding a belt, there'd be hell to pay for shoving them down our throats, their moveset'd be called into question and their popularity would drop.

It's better for WWE to leave people wanting more from them, than turning their backs on them as being forced upon us

 

[MisterRob]

No, they didn't drop the ball.

Your expectations for Legacy aren't the WWE's expectations. What you wanted from Legacy or had hoped to see from Legacy isn't likely the same as what WWE wanted out of them. I was excited when Legacy began and had my own hopes for it, maybe things haven't turned out the way I'd hoped, but in my opinion Legacy has been a very effective since their inception. They've developed well as a stable and they've developed two young stars in Ted Dibiase and Cody Rhodes, which was the point of the stable in the first place. Ted Dibiase and Cody Rhodes are now credible wrestlers, who can viably be placed anywhere on the card and are established, something they certainly weren't before Legacy. So no, WWE hasn't dropped the ball because they've gotten exactly what they wanted out of the stable and the stables been effective for what it was made to do, establish Dibiase and Rhodes.

I'm perfectly fine with Ted Dibiase turning face and Legacy continuing with new additions and carrying on in the same way it has, but I don't think the Hart Dynasty should be anywhere near Legacy nor do I think they'd even be a good option. Why? Because the Hart Dynasty needs to be their own, separate entity. I don't like the idea at all of them being tied to Orton, it just doesn't fit well for me.

 

[Chill]

I think it'll be easier to tell once Legacy has actually disbanded for good and I'm sure a lot of people's opinion on whether the ball was dropped will depend on how successfully WWE handles the break up.

However, as the group currently stands I'm not sure it has been as successful as I had anticipated and hoped. For the first few weeks and months all Rhodes and Dibiase did was get beat up like meaningless nobodys by Triple H and the like. Now, people can try and dress that up whatever way they like but I don't think that's how you build new stars. I remember in the build up to Wrestlemania Cody Rhodes was treated like a jobber in a cage match with Triple H...from where I'm standing that isn't how you build a future star.

It wasn't until the summer when Rhodes and Dibiase were finally given the opportunity to detach themselves from Randy Orton's hip that they truly began to shine in a program with DX where they were allowed to excel.

Then following the DX program, what happens? Rhodes and Dibiase disappear into mid card obscurity wrestling guys like Mark Henry and MVP in meaningless matches, what a fall from grace that was. In recent weeks, Legacy (specifically Rhodes and Dibiase) have struggled to maintain their position on Raw and haven't really done anything of relevance.

To date, all Legacy has been is Rhodes and Dibiase saving Orton in matches and losing to his foes...their highpoint in my opinion was a great program with DX and certainly in the last few weeks they have begun to lose their relevance which I very much hope they can regain because fundamentally I like Legacy and want it to work.

Overall, I'm not saying the group has been a failure, it just hasn't panned out the way I thought it might. Hopefully, Rhodes and Dibiase will benefit from the inevitable break up.

 

[Tyler44]

I also forgot to add this into my post. If WWE's goal with Legacy was to have Orton put them both over, then why has Kofi Kingston been put over in about a month with Orton and Legacy is way behind Kingston and they have been with Orton for like a year and a half (sorry I don't have the exact time). Legacy has miserably failed and have done nothing to impress me or gain my interest to actually want to watch them. If your a heel, your goal is to make people not like you, but not to make you want to change the channel when they are present.

 

[Mr_billy]

I'm not sure if the ball was dropped by WWE or Legacy just didn't go as planned. Two of the members, Manu and Sim didn't pan out, so they stopped the growth and made the group more Elite. They beat up DX several times. But in the end they were Orton's lackeys, they need to break up so they can grow.

 

[mustafa33]

LEGACY has been low for a while but surely with these few steps they can be back on track.

1)Let them beat DX for the title ,which will help them to be exposed on both shows.

2)let some other 2nd n 3rd generation wrestlers [bret debiase(strongly recomended) chavo , carlito etc] join legacy.

3) let them fight Hart Dynasty at WM 26.this would expose both tag teams.give Kofi a chance to fight Orton at WM26

4)help ted and cody (cody specially) with promos with face expressions.

5*) keep them heal just draft Ted Debiase jr. to Smack-Down let him improve in singles division.let him win money in bank 2011,let him screw Orton(assuming him to hold the belt) for the Raw title or just draft him back to RAW keep building the hype until he screws and legacy divides orton and cody(heel) ted and bret debiase(also heel because its a heel ERA crowd loves heel vs heel).make a WM 27 Orton vs Ted.
sign this petition also on WWE UNIVERSE
thankyou

 

[thelegacywillremain1]

once again let me shed some light on this legacy thing i said before that dibiase wasnt gonna leave legacy and i got comments sayin i was silly now let me tell how its gonna play out they're gonna get the tag titles for dx in a crazy match like three tag teams battle for the titles if sheamus keeps the title orton may some how get a title shot in a fatal 4 or something they're gonna hav gold in 2010 i bet on it and if dibiase movie sells go well he's gonna beef with cena in the near future.

Ps: DIBIASE WILL NOT TURN FACE IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN

 

[jking18]

i dont think they dropped the ball with legacy.heres why within a couple of months in wwe ted already filmed a movie won tag team gold in his debut match and both have been labeled main eventers since day one so if there not doing much now that doesnt matter.personally i cant stand them you can say what you want about who does and does not deserve a push but irregardless they got theirs too soon.

 

[RatedRSuperstar]

I don't think they really dropped the ball with Legacy, it just seems to be slowing down.

When Ted debuted, Legacy won Tag Team gold that very night, which was huge. A couple months later, they lose the titles to Batista and Cena, then they lost the titles back the next week, which to me, didn't make any sense at all. That's when Legacy started to slow down. They lose the titles, start jobbing for a while, then Orton comes into the picture. That's when I figured a huge Legacy push would happen...turns out the only reason they have Orton was to help him win the title, which is really sad. The first major push Legacy had was when they started fueding with DX, which was a great fued by the way. It got them over, and it made them look like a legit threat to DX. After Hell in a Cell, they go back to the mid-card

So I'm not saying they really dropped the ball, it just seems to rise, then slow down, rise, slow down, so on and so forth..

 

[DL23]

once again let me shed some light on this legacy thing i said before that dibiase wasnt gonna leave legacy and i got comments sayin i was silly now let me tell how its gonna play out they're gonna get the tag titles for dx in a crazy match like three tag teams battle for the titles if sheamus keeps the title orton may some how get a title shot in a fatal 4 or something they're gonna hav gold in 2010 i bet on it and if dibiase movie sells go well he's gonna beef with cena in the near future.

Ps: DIBIASE WILL NOT TURN FACE IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN

I disagree with you bud, Ted has a babyface, and WWE are about making money not legacy's, WWE will turn Ted face, simply because Orton is a monster heel, check Kofi out, the crowd rally for the under dog, Ted would fit in that roll ten fold, Orton has basically abused Ted in the past, and Ted nearly exploded, WWE are building him up to be a major fan favorite, which would suit him, he comes off very uncomfortable playing the heel, Cody has that heel look to him like Orton, the sly smirk etc Ted doesn't.

I wouldn't be surprised if WWE jobbed Ted out to Orton, at Mania then a rematch, then on some random RAW in May/June have Ted beat Orton, Ted probably gets drafted to Smackdown or maybe ECW to build him up as a singles guy and win a title or maybe bring back the million $ belt, as part of his attire (not a belt to be defended) once he's gained the confidence and necessary tools to be a main eventer, maybe drop million $ belt and go for the world.

 

[Rzarectah]

I think WWE completely dropped the ball with Legacy. Legacy, if built right could have been a group of badasses but instead have been ridiculed week in and week out. This group is obviuosly made to put over Ted and Cody, but while they're still together, they should be a strong stable. Ted and Cody could be attacking people before Randys matches and beating people down and putting them through tables instead of being made fun of by DX during the only significant feud they've been in.

 

[Chill]

Ted and Cody could be attacking people before Randys matches and beating people down and putting them through tables instead of being made fun of by DX during the only significant feud they've been in.

Isn't attacking people before, during and after Randy Orton's matches already what Rhodes and Dibiase do? And that is the problem in my opinion because all too often they are portrayed as nothing more than Orton's henchmen and that does little in terms of getting them over on their own merit. At least when they were feuding with DX they were actually feuding! And let's not forget that everyone who feuds with DX generally tends to get made fun of, I much preferred Rhodes and Dibiase in this capacity over their beat downs of Orton's opponents.

 

[maar130]

Isn't attacking people before, during and after Randy Orton's matches already what Rhodes and Dibiase do? And that is the problem in my opinion because all too often they are portrayed as nothing more than Orton's henchmen and that does little in terms of getting them over on their own merit. At least when they were feuding with DX they were actually feuding! And let's not forget that everyone who feuds with DX generally tends to get made fun of, I much preferred Rhodes and Dibiase in this capacity over their beat downs of Orton's opponents.

I agree with you there and well, that is why I thing they have started to drop the ball with them, Legacy was good but since it has been all about Orton, they have not really going for anything on their own, I man, even if it is not single's gold, at least tag gold, I mean, they had a match with Jerishow and that was it, then the only thing they do is help Orton,who actually does not need that much help, so it has started to drag, man even when Ted got his Ass kicked and Orton RKOed Cody's father what did they did? help him in the Iron Match and buy him a car! what a piece of bs.

And last week he watched them win matches in order to remain with Legacy, how many matches has Orton won since losing to Cena? 3? and they blindly follow him, for me it does not makes sense anymore.

 

[Ender]

It's been a long time since they dropped the ball with legacy.

When they expelled manu and sim snuka - which was a good way to reintroduce Ted - they should have replaced them by one or two other guys.

3 is definitely not enough for a stable. They needed an enforcer who could have done the lackey for orton, and let them shine way more than they did. They defeated DX, almost look like powerful (I mean rhodes defeated Mark Henry in what 3 or 4 minutes), but are still considered as Orton's lackeys.

They even promised to beat the hell out of Orton if he'd loose his match against Kofi, but cant get out of this lackeys thing.

They need to give the three of them an immense push right now, or need to be disbanded really soon.