Did Edge Retiring Hurt Del Rio?

[rockyrocky11]

Hear me out. Thinking back to Wrestlemania, Del Rio was getting a pretty solid heel reaction. The match against Edge was by far the best of the night in my opinion, and I was honestly impressed with Del Rio. After losing the match, Del Rio has been in a free fall as far as his career. I feel like if he had won the belt at mania (which I think he would have if it wasn't Edge's last match) he would've gotten over much better. Now his reactions are minimal, and he's getting boring fast. I was on the Del Rio Bandwagon from his debut until Mania, but I feel like the last 6 months have killed his career. Hopefully he can find another way to get over, but I feel like fans will never really care about him the way I think they would have had he won at mania. He would've looked a lot more credible than cashing in on Punk after the Nash ordeal.

So would Del Rio have gone down the same path had he won at mania, or do you think he could've been a top name with a nice reign on smackdown with the title had Edge not retired. (I really like Edge so this is by no means putting blame on him, I just think the overall situation killed Del Rio's push).

 

[The Champ]

Edge retiring had zero to do with the decision at Mania. If you recall, they were scheduled for a rematch, in a ladder match, at Extreme Rules. That match was actually made official before Edge got the news that he had to retire. WWE didn't know. In fact, if they had known Edge was going to retire, I have a hard time believing that they wouldn't have given it to Del Rio for that very reason. They would have probably made it part of the storyline in some way, too. So no, I don't think it made all that much of a difference. In any case, I think Del Rio is being held back now by his inability to step up his mic game to trade barbs with people like Cena and Punk. The guy has good promo ability but very little wit. His commentary last night was laughable. Until he steps that aspect of his game up, he's not going to win the title again.

 

[xoxo French Kiss xoxo]

Edge retiring hurt both Alberto Del Rio and Dolph Ziggler... why?

Ziggler was an established middle card champ on Smackdown making his way into the Main Event using some of the left over steam from Vickie and Edge to help get him over. Ziggler beat Edge (although it was by cheating) to capture the WHC then was stripped of the title and "fired" from Smackdown. Ziggler then was given a trail match on Raw to earn a job on the Raw roster, and Vickie was given the same opportunity. Moving Ziggler from Smackdown where he was established to Raw set him back by almost an entire year. Forcing him back into a feud with Kingston on Raw didn't help due to him spending most of 2010 on Smackdown feuding with Kingston. It appears as if hes back on track to make his way into the Main Event on Raw, but with the congestion between Punk and Cena there he may again get lost in the shuffle. I for one hope Ziggler breaks away and becomes a big player on Raw sooner than later

Alberto Del Rio could have used the rub of beating Edge at WM27 to get him completely over and make him a credible and viable competitor to both the WWE and the WHC. Del Rio can go in the ring, hes good on the mic but at times hard to understand, hes got a good look, and hes established (in Mexico) as a top competitor. Since his debut he's only really had high profile feuds with bigger names in the WWE. Mysterio, Edge, Christian, Cena, and now Punk. I'm not sure you could get much bigger. He's also beat some of the other faces that the fans love so much, he squashed Morrison, squashed Bryan, and has continued to improve in the ring since debuting. I do believe a submission win over Edge at WM27 would have pushed him to the moon, and stopped all the nonbelievers in their tracks. I also think him winning a major title without MITB would have been better for his character.

 

[mr_dna]

The Champ. I'm pretty sure you are wrong I'm pretty sure there was a report on WZ saying that they kept the title on Edge due to the fact it might have been his last match with WWE

Del Rio was Hurt by Edge having to retire Edge was going to be Del Rios Big feud to jump him to Championship glory. I also think it may have happen due to him moving to raw

 

[The Champ]

The Champ. I'm pretty sure you are wrong I'm pretty sure there was a report on WZ saying that they kept the title on Edge due to the fact it might have been his last match with WWE

Even if there was, I don't believe it for a second. There's no way WWE wouldn't have made it part of the storyline if they had known, and there's no way that they would have scheduled a match for Extreme Rules. At the very least, they would have had Edge announce his retirement on Raw the next night instead of a week later. It's obvious to me that they were just testing him for injuries and that the news that he had to retire came out of nowhere. He probably knew for about three or four days, and the Raw that he announced it on was his first real chance to do so.

 

[InsomGTS]

Del Rio hurts Del Rio. His mic work and commentary last night was cringeworthy. How can anyone buy him as a credible threat when he's so bad at talking and says "I'm gonna kick your butt". He dropped the destiny crap and got even worse.

 

[LSN80]

Hear me out. Thinking back to Wrestlemania, Del Rio was getting a pretty solid heel reaction. The match against Edge was by far the best of the night in my opinion, and I was honestly impressed with Del Rio.

You kinda killed your credibility by saying this was the best match of the night, but Ill bite. Taker vs HHH blew this one away.

After losing the match, Del Rio has been in a free fall as far as his career. I feel like if he had won the belt at mania (which I think he would have if it wasn't Edge's last match) he would've gotten over much better. Now his reactions are minimal, and he's getting boring fast.

Attribute this to being on Raw and the lack of canned heat. Del Rio only drew interest when he debuted because he was immediately inserted into a feud with Rey Mysterio, who could get heat out of Jinder Mahal. Rey's that good. If Mania was truly supposed to be Edge's last match, he wouldnt have been involved physically with Brodus Clay in the Christian-Del Rio #1 Contenders match on Smackdown the following week. Why else would they have pushed it as being for Edge's World Title if he wasn't planned to wrestle further? My belief it was part of the Edge/Del Rio/Christian storyline that was developing with Christian eventually costing Edge the title to Del Rio to kickstart an Edge and Christian feud. The fact that he needed to find someone else to carry him ring-wise is the only way Del Rio was hurt by Edge's retirement.

Del Rio hasn't exactly been in a free-fall. if you recall, he did win the #1 Contender's Match on Smackdown to compete for the World Title at ER, won a #1 contender's match on Raw before Punk returned after being drafted to Raw, followed by him winning Money in The Bank and the WWE Title. Thats not the definition of a free-fall to me, as he's now in the main event of Hell in A Cell for the WWE Title.

I was on the Del Rio Bandwagon from his debut until Mania, but I feel like the last 6 months have killed his career. Hopefully he can find another way to get over, but I feel like fans will never really care about him the way I think they would have had he won at mania. He would've looked a lot more credible than cashing in on Punk after the Nash ordeal.

The goal of cashing in Money In The Bank, especially as a heel, isn't credibility. It's opportunity. There are plenty of fans who care about Del Rio, but those who don't feel this way for several reasons(myself being one of them). I don't find him exciting or to have adapted the WWE style in the ring, his promo work is essentially the same every week, and he lacks quite a bit in the charisma department.

I will give him credit here: Losing the WWE title has been the best thing for him. He's been more intense in promos, more aggressive in the ring, and he's been downright vicious at times. Him beating JoMo in less then a minute and then viciously beating both Cena and Punk down in the Cell last night went a long way to get his more vicious side over, and it's given his character some direction.

So would Del Rio have gone down the same path had he won at mania, or do you think he could've been a top name with a nice reign on smackdown with the title had Edge not retired. (I really like Edge so this is by no means putting blame on him, I just think the overall situation killed Del Rio's push).

If what we got was the Del Rio who winked and grinned on his way to the ring while cutting the same "My name is" promo, then yes, people would have continued not to care. You can pump all the canned heat in you like, but at the end of the day, Del Rio wasn't ready. He's being rebuilt on Raw since losing the title, so him losing at Wrestlemania and Extreme Rules really isn't an issue. And regardless of how he cashed in his MITB contract, he did have to go through 7 men to do so, which is quite credible, no matter how you spin it. The loss to Edge at Wrestlemania truly has nothing to do with Edge's stnding within the company, as he likely would have(and should have) been starting over on Raw after losing the title match at Extreme Rules, because he wasn't ready.

Whether he is or not right now is another story, and time will tell. I dont believe he is, but it has nothing to do with Wrestlemania. It has to do with what I see, or rather, dont see in Del Rio. To be honest, he's as interesting as he's ever been, as he actually has my attention right now.

 

[Depakote]

The only way that Edge retiring hurt Del Rio was that someone else ended up having to carry Del Rio. But you can also say that Edge's retiring helped Del Rio because Alberto can now say he retired Edge, getting some heat from that. Most fans, even the casuals, know that Edge's career ended because of an injury years before Del Rio ever came along. He said as much in his farewell speech. But either way, Del Rio can use that for extra heat. I dont know why he doesnt harp on that more because the destiny bit is getting the wrong kind of heat.

 

[bigsexyNWO]

Edge and del rio hurt themselves because they are pure and utter SHIT. Both of them should be shot. Edge was a mid carder at best he shouldnt have been the IC champ. I dont even know how del rio got to a main event never mind a title fucking wwe. how do they keep putting the strap on guys like rey mysterio and the miz and fucking cena. At the top of the list is Edge i mean fuck me bring back David arquettehe he would do better then these ******s they have had over the last few years.

 

[rockyrocky11]

You kinda killed your credibility by saying this was the best match of the night, but Ill bite. Taker vs HHH blew this one away.

My bad. I forgot about that match. That match was definitely better, but I would definitely give 2nd place to the del rio edge match..if you compare that to the cena miz main event it looked amazing

 

[theslop]

Personally I dont think Edge having to retire did anything to Del Rios career. I saw one poster say that his reactions are not as big or whatever. I disagree with that, Last night on raw during his little rant after the cena christian match he got a pretty decent reaction, then again at the end. As of right now, he is kinda shooting himself in the foot with his mic skills and some rookie mistakes. But he is still pretty green and I will give him the benefit of the doubt that he will just learn and get better. Del Rio will be fine.

 

[frostbite2819]

Yes, in a roundabout way, and i will tell you why.
Had Edge never retired, WWE would not have hot-shotted Orton to Smackdown, and furthermore Del Rio would likely have stayed on Smackdown to feud with Edge over the title, a feud that would probably still be going on, and Del Rio surely would have gotten a longer title reign, due to being on the B-show and having less pressure on him to be 'the guy'.
A lot of things would probably be different, the most glaring being that Mark Henry would have never gotten the push he is getting right now, as Del Rio would be in that spot fighting with Edge over the title. So all in all it worked out- except for not having one of the G.O.A.T. still around anymore in Edge.

 

[Dagger Dias]

Thinking back to Wrestlemania, Del Rio was getting a pretty solid heel reaction. The match against Edge was by far the best of the night in my opinion, and I was honestly impressed with Del Rio.

So did you turn off the show and stop watching before Trips VS Undertaker came on, or did you just not pay attention to that match, because it was by a landslide the best match. Edge VS Del Rio was a decent match for what it was, but it did not live up to what it could have been and set a the pace for a rather terrible Wrestlemania.

After losing the match, Del Rio has been in a free fall as far as his career.

So winning Money In the Bank and his first WWE Championship don't count for anything then?

I feel like if he had won the belt at mania (which I think he would have if it wasn't Edge's last match) he would've gotten over much better.

I'd say he's getting better. Nothing has changed other than him being a former WWE Champion now. Winning the title at Wrestlemania would not have changed a few things. Raw would have gotten the World Championship in the draft, which means someone from Smackdown would have had to defeat Miz for the WWE Championship so the blue brand would not be without a world title. Del Rio would likely have lost the title soon to Cena or Miz, or perhaps the feud would have become a triple threat. Miz and Cena would have overshadowed Del Rio in this feud far worse than Punk and Cena are in the current angle. It was better that his title win came later.

Now his reactions are minimal, and he's getting boring fast.

Care to elaborate on how he is getting boring? I'd say he has improved.

I was on the Del Rio Bandwagon from his debut until Mania, but I feel like the last 6 months have killed his career.

Yes because we all know that having a world title match at Wrestlemania that you earned in your Royal Rumble victory, winning Money In the Bank, and obtaining your first WWE Championship are all ways that kill someone's career. (Sarcasm)

Hopefully he can find another way to get over, but I feel like fans will never really care about him the way I think they would have had he won at mania. He would've looked a lot more credible than cashing in on Punk after the Nash ordeal.

Edge had to retire, plans changed, Del Rio still won a world title. Things worked out for the better because he would have been an afterthought with Cena and Miz still in their title feud after Wrestlemania. Try getting him over while in the middle of a feud with the current face of the federation and a future top guy. Not gonna happen. THAT could have killed his career.

So would Del Rio have gone down the same path had he won at mania, or do you think he could've been a top name with a nice reign on smackdown with the title had Edge not retired. (I really like Edge so this is by no means putting blame on him, I just think the overall situation killed Del Rio's push).

No because he got drafted to Raw. Del Rio was headed to Raw regardless of Edge's injury status. As I have already explained, if anything this saved Del Rio's push and possibly his career. Even if he stayed on Smackdown then he would have been an afterthought there too once all of the Orton/Christian matches began. The way things happened worked out for the better.

 

[iwinulose]

the edge vs del rio match at mania wasn't affected by edge's retirement. The wwe was doing a program i honestly believe that del rio would have been in a match's with edge at extreme rules or over the limit and he would have won. edges retirement came after mania because that's when he had his MRI, or he had it before then but got the results after mania (one of the 2, MRI results take a week or so to get). however yes after this happened del rio stopped getting huge reactions. his career took a hard hit. the wwe realised this, and since he is no longer drawing he is being tossed to the side. he was given another shot when he won MITB but he was unsuccessful. though i think he will win the triple threat match he is in at HIAC.

 

[hollowpoint]

I think Edge retiring affected his career, but I don't think ADR's career suffered do to it. Let's see, since Edge retired, ADR was drafted to RAW (the "A" show), had numerous #1 contender/championship matches, WON MITB, and cashed it in at Summerslam to win the WWE Championship. Yeah his career has definitely gone downhill. What the retirement did IMO was kinda make the WWE find a place for ADR where he can be elevated. Edge was known as one of the best workers in the business and he would've made ADR look great as a heel. When he retired, it threw the balance of the company off and they made a knee jerk reation and put him with Mysterio again with an eventual matchup with Cena in the works.

Now I had a huge problem with the Draft because they could've easily kept ADR on the show along with Randy Orton, but I guess that shows the lack of faith they had in Randy Orton to carry the show in the first place. So yes Edge's retirement affected ADR, but it wasn't by much.

 

[BC1978]

Edge keeping the title hurt ADR and Cena & Punk. If ADR went over he would have gotten a bigger rub and he could have feuded with Christian & Orton. Cena & Punk could still be going at it over the WWE title

 

[Gunnar]

I agree with BC, at Wrestlemania, ADR's reaction was impressive, it was like Edge's heyday as a heel, but now, ADR is getting little to no reaction at all, and he's even the WWE Champion now, I think he got set back big time, and I don't know whether or not his career will be able to recover without him and Rey Mysterio forming some sort of alliance, since they're both latino, and then ADR turning on Mysterio a la Eddie and Chavo and Batista.

 

[BC1978]

ADR needs to be built properly. He needs to not be the chicken shit heel that the WWE likes to create. He should get clean Wins over Cena and Punk then snap the next guy whose outs arm. Also giving him a valet and a bit of a change on the ring attire might be nice. I'd turn him into the Latin Flair.... Have Kelly Kelly fall for him and have him start showing signs of a Latin Temper

 

[shooter_mcgavin]

Off topic first: best match of WM27 were Punk/Orton and Rhodes/Mysterio. Everything else felt underwhelming including Taker/HHH

On topic

It would have been nice for Del Rio's push if he beat Edge at WM. But it didn't but that's not what hurt Del Rio. Two things did (are):

1. Christian winning the World Title from Del Rio only to job to Orton SD after SD, PPV after PPV. It's pretty simple math the fact that Christian beat Del Rio only to look weak to Orton concludes that Del Rio does not stand a chance to the top guys. Ok he lost to Edge sure, but now its obvious he will be no match to Orton. This kinda lowers Del Rio's credibility a bit.

2. The rise of the Voiceless - Yeah CM Punk. I guess the reason why Del Rio was moved to RAW was to eventually have a main event push with a major rivlary with Cena. CM Punk was probably just going to be a filler feud for Cena but with Punk's promo he instantly became super hot this includes their epic MITB and Summerslam matches, Punk's instant rise to the top, the conspiracy angle, and Triple H.

Looking at the big picture, despite being Champion, Del Rio looks like a small spec something you should not be as when you are the champion. It's like 1999 when Big Show became WWF Champion but with all the Triple H/McMahon rivalry going on Big Show's title reign was seen as an afterthought infavor of a hotter angle.

 

[thegreatwhat]

The WWE did do somewhat of a good job in the time between Del Rio losing to Edge and eventually winning the title of keeping Del Rio's credibility fresh. Not only Money in the Bank, but also his feud with Big Show. Yes, he won by cheating against the big guy a few times, but he still went over him and looked good doing it.