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Del Rio VS Ziggler: Something to look forward to?

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After watching tonight's main event on Smackdown, it's clear to me that Alberto Del Rio and Dolph Ziggler could potentially have some classic matches. They worked really well together and their styles seem to compliment each other.
This could be the long-awaited feud that finally gets ADR over.
Anyone care to discuss?
 
I think it will be a pretty good feud. Also, add in the element that AJ is Rich Portan, and they can renew the Mexican-Boricua rivalry that exists in boxing.

Ziggy can say something like "Well, my girlfriend here is Boricua, and as we all know, they are the best Hispanics around! Better than Mexicans! Not only will I kick your ass for the title, I will also do it on her behalf!"
 
Yea they can certainly pull of some 5star matches.But you said the feud that gets Del Rio over.What about Dolph?He is still not a main eventer and he is still losing 95% of his matches and is basically a glorified jobber at this point.

Im digging ADR's face turn as his heel character although I enjoyed it as it had a oldshcool vibe to it its still kinda got stale after a while and not really moving forward.

Dolph needs a feud that gets him to the next level, ADR i think is in a way better position atm.ADR actually wins a lot of matches clean, even while he was heel he was beating people left and right.

Ziggy I think is the one that needs a next level feud, and this Cena one is just plain out stupid, for me at least. I just dont see this feud going anywhere than Cena squashing him and moving on.
 
They will probably put on some good matches, but besides that their feud wont be anything special. Although Del Rio is over more as a face, i still think there is a lot of fans who don't care about him. And it's pretty obvious that Dolph Ziggler will become World Heavyweight Champion soon. Basically, Del Rio is nothing more than a stepping stone for Ziggler.
 
GeneralKarim

He is still not a main eventer and he is still losing 95% of his matches and is basically a glorified jobber at this point.

Chris Jericho did this when he returned last year, still wouldn't call him a jobber. Somebody has to lose, even main-eventers. Ziggler has had losing streaks against Sheamus and Cena, who were top faces at the time. I wouldn't call that doing the job, exactly, but I see your point. WWE doesn't want to give Ziggler wins, which I find frustrating.

GeneralKarim
ADR actually wins a lot of matches clean, even while he was heel he was beating people left and right.
Were we discussing MMA, this would be an impressive feat.

I never got why Del Rio got this absolutely gargantuan push. His push could eat Ziggler's push alive... with its dick. He was in the Smackdown title picture ever since his feud with Rey and he just wouldn't fuck off.

He was boring as shit in the ring and utilized one move exclusively, his cross-armbreaker. He sold well, but his offence was SO boring. Yes, heels can't have that flashy a move-set, but he could have done the shiny kicks, the backstabber and all the other moves he's doing now as a heel.

I look forward to face-Alberto, if it means he's all this much more exciting in the ring. Coupled with Ziggler (who I thought was in the process of a face-turn, but screw it?), we should get some seriously entertaining matches, accompanied by promos that nobody except the most dedicated Ziggler/ADR fans would care about.
 
At this stage Yes and No. Alberto still needs time to get over with the crowd, he will probably lose the title at EC. But I could look forward to this, Ziggler still isn't world champion and won't be until he cashes in the title at Wrestlemania 29. (Could be before, but i'm just guessing).

As a feud for post 'mania, I could see it being pretty interesting. But I think we will get a triple threat match at extreme Rules for the World Title. Dolph cashes in at 'mania on Orton. Orton is the heel and sheamus gets a rematch. Dolph retains the title and then defends it against Del Rio.
 
Things I'm concerned about with this feud: I don't want ADR to be a transistional champion for Ziggler's benefit, and I think AJ Lee drags down everybody she comes into contact with.

That aside, I think they can have some good matches together. This feud has potential to benefit both of them if it's handled right. Like GeneralKarim said, Dolph can benefit if he's booked stronger and wins a couple matches clean. Also ADR can benefit if this feud can get him some more crowd support.

Yes I think this feud is something to look forward to. But I think there is also potential for it to be a bust

His push could eat Ziggler's push alive... with its dick.

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I don't want ADR to be a transistional champion for Ziggler's benefit...

Yes, that was something that concerned me, too. But last night's Smackdown had a "coming out" feel to it with ADR's title reign being launched in a city with a huge Latin population. Why would management bother to do that if they just want Alberto at the top long enough to bring Dolph to title status? And what would happen to ADR if they did? More upper-midcard feuds that chase their own tails?

No, I think Del Rio's elevation is permanent, as is his good guy persona. (Of course, when we say permanent, it's a relative term in pro wrestling. Let's just say it's permanent for the foreseeable future).

As to the feud between ADR and Dolph? Yes, they should put on some damn good matches. I'm still amused by the number of people on this forum who, while fancying themselves as wrestling purists, don't have the patience to watch Alberto methodically work a match. Maybe it will be more palatable to them with ADR as a good guy; you usually don't figure a heel to be a technical wizard in the ring..... and that might have been part of the problem. But his ability to work a match should mesh nicely with Dolph's go-to-hell-and-toss-your-body-every-which-way style of wrestling.

I still believe WWE sees Dolph as a future main eventer, with the caveat that the original intention was to elevate him to that status long before this. For some reason, they've stalled his march to the championship although it's understood that anyone who holds the MITB briefcase can attain the title at any moment.....and probably will.

Meanwhile, though, Dolph convincingly lost his feud with John Cena and now seems to have plenty to occupy him on the Smackdown side of town, although he'll undoubtedly continue to be featured on both shows and probably keep making other mid-carders wonder why he gets maximum exposure while Creative explains that there's nothing on tap for the rest of them.

Still, Alberto Del Rio seems to have truly arrived as a star in Face City, especially if you go by last night's reception in San Antonio.

Good stuff.
 
Chris Jericho did this when he returned last year, still wouldn't call him a jobber. Somebody has to lose, even main-eventers. Ziggler has had losing streaks against Sheamus and Cena, who were top faces at the time. I wouldn't call that doing the job, exactly, but I see your point. WWE doesn't want to give Ziggler wins, which I find frustrating.


Were we discussing MMA, this would be an impressive feat.

I never got why Del Rio got this absolutely gargantuan push. His push could eat Ziggler's push alive... with its dick. He was in the Smackdown title picture ever since his feud with Rey and he just wouldn't fuck off.

He was boring as shit in the ring and utilized one move exclusively, his cross-armbreaker. He sold well, but his offence was SO boring. Yes, heels can't have that flashy a move-set, but he could have done the shiny kicks, the backstabber and all the other moves he's doing now as a heel.

I look forward to face-Alberto, if it means he's all this much more exciting in the ring. Coupled with Ziggler (who I thought was in the process of a face-turn, but screw it?), we should get some seriously entertaining matches, accompanied by promos that nobody except the most dedicated Ziggler/ADR fans would care about.

I'm really holding in my natural instinct to insult you cause you seem to be one of the special kind so i'll take you easy.

The fact that you compare Dolph to Chris Jericho si completely ******ed and shows your lack of knowledge and the fact that you are just a mark.Chris Jericho can do w/e the fuck he wants because he is fucking CHRIS JERICHO. Nikki on the other hand ....


Yea MMA or not losing almost all your matches counts for something.All 2012 when I see a ZIggler match all I expect is for him to sell good and lose.

When I see a ADR match I most of the time expect him to win clean or not with an good/awesome match.

See the difference?I take ADR as a fan way more seriously then I do Dolph( tho that's not Dolph's problem as WWE is pushing ADR like hell and as I just said making Dolph lose all his matches). That's if I view it from a fan's point of view.
 
A feud between the two does have definite possibilities. Ziggler is someone that can work great matches with damn near anybody, he's shown that time and time again.

Del Rio, at least to me, does seem much fresher since WWE finally got their ducks in a row with him and finally solidified in as a babyface, though they were sloppy as hell in the process. However, I'm interested in seeing how Del Rio does outside of a large latino population. I think WWE was smart to solidify Del Rio's face turn & World Championship win in front of Texas crowd as Texas has a large hispanic population. Del Rio has momentum going right now and that's a good thing, but the real test will be in seeing how he does elsewhere.

As for the prospect of Del Rio being a transitional champion, I don't see any way around that at this point. If the backstage talk is true, then it's going to be Sheamus vs. Orton at WrestleMania for the WHC. Personally, I'd rather see Del Rio retain the title at the Royal Rumble and for Orton & Sheamus to both win the Rumble by going over the top at the same time similar to what they did with Bret Hart & Lex Luger back in '94. It gives both of them a legit claim and sets up a triple threat match. It'll give Del Rio at least a 4 month run as champ, possibly longer if he retains past WM of course. Sheamus & Orton could keep their feud going for a while after that, then it sets up a full fledged Del Rio/Ziggler feud for the post WM season.

Unfortunately though, I don't see WWE going that direction. There hasn't been a transitional WHC in WWE since Christian and I'd prefer WWE didn't go back in that direction as, overall, they've done a great job in booking the World Heavyweight Championship since Mark Henry got hold of the title.
 
GeneralKarim: The fact that you compare Dolph to Chris Jericho si (sic) completely ******ed and shows your lack of knowledge and the fact that you are just a mark.
Feeling the love. If agreeing with you (which I did) makes me a mark and gives me a lack of knowledge, fine, no argument here. I agreed with YOU, though, and shared YOUR concerns, so I'm not alone in the special school.

Chris Jericho can do w/e the fuck he wants because he is fucking CHRIS JERICHO.
Yip, I'M the mark...

When I see a ADR match I most of the time expect him to win clean or not with an good/awesome match.
You must haved LOVED last year then, with ADR going over Orton and Sheamus constantly and being unstoppable. Oh, wait, no, he didn't...

Now enough of this "keyboard tough guy" shit, let's move on to more pleasant things.

Mustang Sally: I'm still amused by the number of people on this forum who, while fancying themselves as wrestling purists, don't have the patience to watch Alberto methodically work a match.
I'm not a wrestling purist by a long shot. I loves me dem spot munkeez, but even I have been more and more entertained by Del Rio's matches from the last half of 2012. Their matches are going to rock! My question is whether the average fan will care about their promos. I will, but I can't speak for everybody.

I really hope Del Rio gets over in a big way. They have been trying so hard for so long, that it just HAS to pay off.

ADR is the current champ, will his feud with Ziggler really be for the title? Will that be Smackdown's main-event? Orton and Sheamus are more over, so do they need the title for their alleged feud?

If Orton and Sheamus DON'T use the strap, we might get the same situation as we had with Punk earlier in his reign where he is champ, but not main-eventing and we'll get the title-prestige complaints threads (again). Also, do you think that Sheamus has reached a level where he doesn't need the title-scene to be relevant?

If they DO use the belt, will we see ADR and Ziggler tossed aside to the midcard (also again), killing their momentum? I hope not! I would love to see the WWE building these two as main-eventers, while still milking the Orton-titty. So many options, sounds like 2013 will be great, if only the injury-fairy would keep away.
 
As long as Del Rio makes Ziggler tap out to the Cross Armbreaker every week for the entire duration of their feud, I'm down with this. Through some sort of voodoo magic, the resident guy with the funny accent has actually managed to become a solid babyface character and I can finally say that he doesn't bore me whenever he's on TV.

The matches will most certainly be worth watching; Del Rio's arm work and psychology is fantastic, and I'm sure that despite Dolph's shortcomings in the ring (he's only good when he's on defence or getting beaten down), they can make some magic together.

I can only hope that, if this feud does indeed come to fruition, Del Rio will make it to Wrestlemania as the champion. He is someone that deserves it purely due to his ring work alone, and he's already been in WWE for nearly 2 and a half years - it's time for him to walk into the Show of Shows as the top dog on Smackdown.
 
I never got why Del Rio got this absolutely gargantuan push. His push could eat Ziggler's push alive... with its dick. .

Wtf? Seriously... With its dick? Fucking R-Tard....

I could see this as a wrestlemania bout, a lot like last years, adding some fresh blood into a big time event. The WHC will already be 4th in line at best after the rocks match, brocks match and takers match so why not let them find some chemistry and put on some classics. Have DOLPH cash in at EC setting up the chasing Del Rio at WM
 
First off wwe is horrible at timing when it comes to the direction of things. Alberto Del Rio is now a face and it was done way to quick... That said it's hard to take him seriously with Ricardo around. Wwe has been making horrible decisions lately and I don't think they follow there own history of characters. The turns and the horrible storylines are really just dragging the product around.

I don't even want to order Wrestlemania this year and that's a first for me, WWE is just insulting the fans and the fan's are just eating it up... well until they realize the dumb results. I hate to say it but wrestling is dying really fast, I mean Alberto Del Rio is the World Champion and Rock/Cena II again and so on and so forth.

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Writer: here we go Rock as wwe champion!

Vince: love it.

Writer: than you will love this... Alberto Del Rio face turn and next world champion.

Vince: why? Alberto was just a heel and it wouldn't make much sense.

Writer: who cares the ratings will be up for a week and we can make things edgy.

Vince: love it.

Writer: Brock/HHH part 2 and Rock/Cena 2

Vince: I will make so much money!

Writer: I got it lets start to push younger talent and work on more detailed storylines... and get rid of the third hour of raw.

Vince: waste of time.
 
First off wwe is horrible at timing when it comes to the direction of things. Alberto Del Rio is now a face and it was done way to quick... That said it's hard to take him seriously with Ricardo around. Wwe has been making horrible decisions lately and I don't think they follow there own history of characters. The turns and the horrible storylines are really just dragging the product around.

I don't even want to order Wrestlemania this year and that's a first for me, WWE is just insulting the fans and the fan's are just eating it up... well until they realize the dumb results. I hate to say it but wrestling is dying really fast, I mean Alberto Del Rio is the World Champion and Rock/Cena II again and so on and so forth.

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Writer: here we go Rock as wwe champion!

Vince: love it.

Writer: than you will love this... Alberto Del Rio face turn and next world champion.

Vince: why? Alberto was just a heel and it wouldn't make much sense.

Writer: who cares the ratings will be up for a week and we can make things edgy.

Vince: love it.

Writer: Brock/HHH part 2 and Rock/Cena 2

Vince: I will make so much money!

Writer: I got it lets start to push younger talent and work on more detailed storylines... and get rid of the third hour of raw.

Vince: waste of time.

Same here. Wrestlemania this year is going to be dull and predictable. I'm only gonna bother watching it if they pull off something unpredictable like Punk vs Brock.

Back on topic. Dolph vs ADR would be meh imo.. I can already see how this is gonna go.
 
This feud has to happen. By having the briefcase we know that Ziggler will become world champ and I can see ADR being the victim in the near future. I can them feuding for a while but it will be interesting to see if it can last until Mania. I doubt it will as i'm sure that the WWE regard Orton and Sheamus to be more worthy of a world title match at the biggest even of the year. That being said, it should be a short feud but with One or two excellent matches.

Also, i think we will see Big E versus Ricardo. It can't not happen.
 
After watching tonight's main event on Smackdown, it's clear to me that Alberto Del Rio and Dolph Ziggler could potentially have some classic matches. They worked really well together and their styles seem to compliment each other.
This could be the long-awaited feud that finally gets ADR over.
Anyone care to discuss?

When has Ziggler ever helped anybody get over?

I have my doubts that they could put on classic matches, but to each their own I suppose. I do, however, find the idea that Dolph Ziggler is going to be the guy that solidifies Delberto as a main eventer to be silly. Dolph Ziggler is not that caliber wrestler. John Cena, Big Show, Sheamus, Orton, CM Punk, Kane, Taker, Triple H, and possibly Mark Henry and Daniel Bryan: these are the wrestlers that can help solidify you as a main eventer. Great matches and feuds only help you get over if you beat a big name in the process, and Dolph Ziggler is not a big name at this point in time.
 
A lot of people assumed WWE put the title on del Rio simply to give Dolph Ziggler a more manageable opponent. We now know they made the switch because Big Show was having issues renewing his contract, and WWE really wants to focus attention on ADR for the time being. HOWEVER, there's no reason why one can't lead to the other.

Alberto del Rio is hands down one of the best in-ring stars working in the world today. To say nothing of his character, he's just a straight up boss in between the ropes. Dolph Ziggler is a selling machine, but in the last two years he's also come into his own as one of the best workers in WWE. Some don't like his promo style, but I think if he put on another 10 pounds of muscle he'd have the total package. In relation to his Superstar potential, not his penis.

For fans of great wrestling matches - which SHOULD be all of us, no? - there is only good to look forward to between Ziggler and del Rio. I'm not sure how they're going to work from a promo standpoint, but I'm intrigued to find out. My gut says they're just too different, and would have clashing charismas. Much like ADR and Punk in 2011. But I'm intrigued enough to find out.

Also, on a side note worth mentioning, I am looking forward to any potential interaction between Big E Langston and Ricardo Rodriguez. Actually, that'd be a hilarious tag team match.

I'm guessing WWE will run with Alberto into Mania as the Champion. He'll win the rematch against Big Show at the Royal Rumble. Elimination Chamber doesn't really require a feud, because it'll be him and 5 other guys. That's kind of a crap shoot - I'm guessing ADR, Big Show, Sheamus, Randy Orton, Dolph Ziggler and a wild card ala Santino to throw in just for fun. If it were ME booking the match, I'd Randy Orton win the title in the Chamber, and then have Ziggler cash in on him immediately afterwards. This sets up the Triple Threat for WrestleMania.

When has Ziggler ever helped anybody get over
At this point in his career, it is 100% his job to get himself over. Wait till he's an established main event player, and a veteran of the business. But it really isn't his job to get anybody else over. He's still trying to put himself into positions where he can showoff; pardon the pun. You can't fault a relative noobie for not putting over enough people. That being said, if he manages to make other people look good in the process, than awesome! And it's my opinion, and I stand by it firmly, that if you can put on a great wrestling match and make you and your opponent look good, than you have gotten both of you over. Shawn Michaels and Chris Jericho were masters of getting everyone around them over, late into their careers. Every match they had made their opponents look just as good as they did. Ziggler has that quality. TLC match against Cena was one of the better Cena matches of 2012. His title match against Edge was one of my favorite matches of 2011. Every single time he steps into the ring, wrestling fans take notice and say "oh sweet, Ziggler is wrestling. This should be a good match." And that quality gets him, and whoever he's wrestling over.

So yes, I do think Ziggler has helped a bunch of people. Neither is that his job, so early into his career.
 
Honestly these are two guys that just never really impressed me. While both men, especially Ziggler, are great in-ring competitors neither are stellar on the mic and neither shout "main event", atleast in my opinion anyway.

Dolph definitely has the potential to succeed but he has a long way to go.
 
I'm very much looking forward to this feud. It was the first thing I thought of when Del RIo won the title & I think they could have some awesome matches together, especially involving the likes of Ricardo, AJ Lee & Langston if they are all still with their respective superstar still.

As much as I think WWE wants to keep Ziggler more on RAW & away from The World Title until post-Mania, I also think with the recent reports of WWE wanting to make Smackdown 'Del Rio's Show' that WWE might just let this feud unfold sooner rather than later.

Either way I think both Del Rio & Ziggler deserve to be in the World Title match at Wrestlemania 29 over the likes of Orton, Sheamus & Big Slow but I would also be interested in seeing a Fatal Four-Way, Championship scramble or Battle Royal for the WHC since there is so much talent that could be inserted into the Wolrd Title picture.
 
I think this feud will be decent. The matches will be stellar, but the mic work will be pretty bland. Their style of promos don't mesh well, and both of their mic work is only slightly above average. Ricardo, AJ, and Big E will add an interesting dynamic to the feud. I think those factors will be more entertaining than the promos between Ziggler and Del Rio to be honest. That being said, I look forward to the matches between the two. That will definitely be the highlight of the feud. Del Rio's offense and Ziggler's selling will fit perfectly together to make quality matches.
 
I think we are going to see these two go at it for a long time and in the end ... that is just good for us wrestling fans.

I think that Del Rio gets a lot of hate from the IWC, but I always find myself entertained by him in and out of the ring.

Obviously Dolph is seriously on the rise and the WWE is clearly high on him. High enough to make all of us think he could hold the Rumble title and the MiTB at the same time and unite the titles.

No question a feud between these guys would bring unbelievable ring work and underrated mic work. It would be a fantastic change of pace from the usual top tier guys we see ... and I think that both of them could seriously push the envelope and grow quickly.

I don't know how soon we will see it ... but they definitely will feud with each other in the future. Just too much that works between the two guys.
 

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