Death of Attitude

[Blueshirt]

Also, please correct me if i'm wrong...but the live sex celebration between lita and edge occured in 2006 the night after NYR (i was there!!) and wasn't it like the highest rated segment of the year? That was only 3 years ago

 

[mattmcgee85]

I think the last segment on Raw last night was perfect. It showed Orton is truley evil and everything he does is calculating.Personnally, I think if he hit her with the sledgehammer, or slapped a wet one on her it would have actually ruined the current direction of the Orton character. By first, faking the sledgehammer hit, then, going down and gently kissing Steph, all the while glaring at HHH( Orton's glare is truly classic) it revealed that he is totaly in control of his actions.

The segment had another, much deeper, meaning to me as well. Maybe I'm reading into this to much but what Orton did last night, and what he's been doing to HHH's family might be some kind of punishment for all the evil things HHH use to do himself. HHH now has to face a man who is using similar tactics, to what he did years ago, to get to the top. I don't know about you but if thats where wwe is going with this thats must see tv!

Finally for all of us that think PG is stupid and Attitude needs to comeback(I include myself), we were wrong. What WWE is doing now is far more better than anything wwe did in the late 90s. When the wwe feels a storyline needs violence and sex, like this one and the jericho vs. legend angle, they use it. They don't just show tits and ass or bust people open for no reason like they use to. I for one, have seen the light, and I apologize for past posts chastizing the wwe for there current direction.

 

[Milkyway!]

Seriously, what is with America's (and by America's i mean OUR) squeamishness when it comes to sex. Early in the show we had a 60 year old man being throttled by a camera (thats assualt and battery, assault with a deadly weapon, attempted manslaughter) not to mention Jeff Hardy threatening to kill his brother in an extreme rules match (fraternicide, assualt, battery, etc.). You wouldn't let your children watch a tongue kiss (which im pretty sure occured in high school musical) but you would let them watch blood-violence? I don't think they NEED adultery, but it certainly makes it fun to watch. Once again, I can't articulate hard enough that i do NOT condone rape or abuse to women, i was just making a point that it is funny how the WWE has really toned shit down. Did it make for a better story line? I think it might have. Did it represent a change from their old ideology? Absolutely.

Yet thats not how you worded it. That being said, I missed the part where Jeff threatend to kill his brother. Pretty dadgum sure he said "You think thats extream, you haven't ever even SEEN extream" or some jizz like that. Never did the words kill come out of his mouth. Correct me if I'm wrong, show me a youtube vid or something.

Everything you said about Flair, was done to Flair on Flair's terms. Hes been in the business for years. I'm sure they make their employee's/legends returning for one night sign a contract, letting them know whats going to be done. Flair had to sign that, before he went out there.

 

[Blueshirt]

Yet thats not how you worded it. That being said, I missed the part where Jeff threatend to kill his brother. Pretty dadgum sure he said "You think thats extream, you haven't ever even SEEN extream" or some jizz like that. Never did the words kill come out of his mouth. Correct me if I'm wrong, show me a youtube vid or something.

Everything you said about Flair, was done to Flair on Flair's terms. Hes been in the business for years. I'm sure they make their employee's/legends returning for one night sign a contract, letting them know whats going to be done. Flair had to sign that, before he went out there.

Just like Steph-O-Mac was okay with the angle she was participating in...i'm sure orton didn't do that without script approval seeing as her father is the owner of the company...
Also, yes i paraphrased, apologies.

 

[joshj 234]

Really??? I think that what he did last night was perfect. I love this angle right now and it's only getting better. The fact is we all are trying to judge it according to the attitude era. Because that's when wrestling was at it's best, but. We can't do that anymore, if we do we will be sadly disappointed, because we don't have the rock's, stone cold's, or old triple h's. So to judge today's product on a standard of ten years ago is stupid.

Now like I said I thought that what Orton did was perfect. This feud is great, each week it's something better, then the last. (unlike the other championship feud.) I just hope they don't let this angle fall apart like others in the past have.

I maybe way off here, but I think that Orton is becoming a lot like what Triple h was in the attitude era. Trips got in the head of Vince with the whole marrying Steph thing. Just like Orton is getting into Hunter's head by kissing Steph. Just a thought.

 

[Milkyway!]

Just like Steph-O-Mac was okay with the angle she was participating in...i'm sure orton didn't do that without script approval seeing as her father is the owner of the company...
Also, yes i paraphrased, apologies.

You've strayed off topic here. We know its scripted. They are just scripting it for children. Which isn't a bad thing. By any means neccassary, its actually better. If you can't come up with anything better. No more complaints?

 

[TwistofRKO]

It was done absolutely, positively 100% correctly. The man kissed a helpless man's wife right in his friggen' face. That's about as much as one could possibly digest in the furthering of a storyline. Just a hair out of reach Triple H watched Randy Orton put his mouth on his wife, that's as effective as him copping a feel without it being as dirty.

A+ on the segment.

 

[lenguy]

all i have to say is.if anybody didnt enjoy last nights segment with orton and hhh then theres no hope for you,at all.if you couldnt enjoy that.which was done damn near perfect.then i suggest you skip WM.because after it your probailly going to come on here start a thread and bash how boring it was.it could be.but the way things have turned out with these fueds and angles.i dont think wwe would screw us over like that.

bottem line.if you didnt enjoy last nights raw.i really urge you to stop watching completly.because thats as good as its going to get for a long time.considering after wm.storylines will flop and be more lackluster.with them rushing to put together new fueds after the draft.hopefully though im wrong.and they keep this nice pace

 

[kenvin100]

I must admit the whole Orton-Trips thing is prolly the best buildups I've seen in a LONG LONG TIME! Seriously, most of these rivalries are about the title, notice how this is a personal war, and seeing Triple H throw the title to the floor shows us its a lot less about the title, and a lot more about the feud itself. Consider HBK and Taker, ya HBK isnt afraid of Taker, so was Orton so was Batista, so was whoever else who fought him..but notice how HBK talks about being MR.Wrestlemania and beating this "streak"..there is absolutely nothing around this story but the streak..Taker barely referred to the history him and Michaels had..and I mean BARELY, and im incredibly bored and I now know Taker-HBK will be one to forget. Trips-Orton is totally different..you tend to forget that Orton won the rumble or Triple H is the champion. This is what wrestling was missing over the years. Of course, Im not expecting all feuds to be as personal as this. IT SHOULD BE less about the title!

As for the death of attitude, it was an era that has gone, and we must move on. However, it is an era that should never be forgotten. If you're telling me the Attitudinize Era sucks, you are incredibly boring people! Sorry, but The amount of shock value back then was incredibly intense, and really did hook people!

Of course, what really caused the death of the attitude era was the end of monday night wars (this is my opinion anyway, but thas another discussion for another time)

 

[BIGJUICYNIPPLES]

imo they played the tripps/ortan angle very well this past raw, was it repetitive? yeh but still entertaining beets Cena's poam... yes a poam not a rap like he used to but A FUCKING POAM

 

[BIGJUICYNIPPLES]

lets be honest the attitude era was crazy GOOD, but if every1 had the internet and forums in th late 90's to early 2000's people would have complained about the attitude era aswell.

 

[golden miz]

lets be honest the attitude era was crazy GOOD, but if every1 had the internet and forums in th late 90's to early 2000's people would have complained about the attitude era aswell.

internet forums existed then too and view my last post about my opinions on this era i grossly disagree with you on the good thing since if you think good equals giving birth to a hand you need your head checked its just an older verision of inmaturity

 

[nthomas504]

I agree with both Rex and Spiegs about different points. I have to admit, i really enjoyed the Attitude Era and i wish that i could experience it again, but people on the Forum must understand that the Era is gone and is a long way off from returning. When the Attitudes Face was Stone Cold, and ours is John Cena, u kno that we're not going anywhere. The Attitude Era in the long run didnt help the WWE at all, I dont blame people missing the Era (i miss it sometimes when I was 06 DX Videos), but since the Attitude era, the ratings have slowly decreased over the past few years. The era finished in 2001 and things have gone downhill since then. It made all the old wrestling fans, smarks, etc very mad when a segment from John Cena, Chris Jericho, etc comes on. The Triple H & Randy Orton angle has been one of the most edgy storylines that the WWE has graced us with in the past few years, so wrestling smarks and fans alike, stop trripping over how u guys miss the era, its gone and thats it.

 

[Kennedy316]

I for one as well, do miss the Attitude era. I read through multiple posts condemning the era and all I kept seeing was "there was too much blood. There was too much ass. Someone gave birth to a hand." Yeah, there was that whole hand thing, but in the end that entire angle wasn't about being serious, it was about being ridiculous. And perhaps a hand was the best thing they could come up with. It wasn't meant to be a good angle, it wasn't meant to be a classic. You would have rather had Mark Henry's kid come out of that old bag? Really? Or maybe Funaki's? No...the angle was meant to make you laugh or better yet scream out "What the hell is that?" And it succeeded at that at the time.

But, on the other end of that, there were also the TLC matches, the First few Hell in a Cells, the death of kayfabe, the feuds between The Rock and Austin that no one in this "era" will ever be able to match, Pre-Jesus DX vs. Everyone. Hell, look at Floyd Mayweather. How much attention did he garner for Wrestlemania last year? Not too much. How much did Tyson pick up during the Attitude era? How much more was wrestling talked about in the mainstream media than it is now? That's why the ratings are down and declining. Because unless it's bad news, the mainstream media isn't talking about wrestling. Why? Because it isn't edgy anymore, there's no heat on it. The people that are left now are the actual wrestling fans. I had been watching since before the Attitude era began, but when it ramped up, it felt new, it felt fresh, it felt like something I should feel dirty for watching. And maybe that's why I watched it and maybe that's why I miss it. Unlike the Wu-Tang Clan, professional wrestling was never for "the children." It was an adult venture that Vince McMahon turned into something that could be watched by the whole family. Before the 80s wrestling took place in dirty bars, in dingy, dark moose lodges, tiny convention centers, and other seedy joints that wouldn't allow kids in even if you brought them. The women, with few exceptions, were there for eye candy and nothing more. They stood at ringside in tight clothes and flirted with the fans. Occasionally, there would be a catfight or a mud wrestling match. The wrestlers were large, burly, legit tough guys who would ride to the next town and run another match, in another dirty, grimy wrestling venue, often in the same day. It was edgy, it was raw, it felt violent. This is what wrestling was. It's no longer what it is. Vince changed the game, changed it back, and is now changing it back again.

But now, it all feels stale. This push for a PG rating at 9 o'clock at night seems a bit ridiculous, especially since people a bit younger than me who might have started watching wrestling during the Attitude era are older and are probably bored with it. It's like buying a rap album at Wal-Mart: it just ain't the same. When Ric Flair got his eyebrow busted open by Jericho, it was the first bit of blood I had seen in a long time on a WWE show. I was honestly surprised that they didn't cut it to black and white when he started bleeding (which, by the way, wasn't a typical Ric bleed, because Ric didn't blade.) You look at the old timers, the legends, the "Hall of Famers." The ones who were the biggest names all have scars lining their foreheads from where they bladed the same places over and over, night after night. It's long been a part of the business. One of the matches that I still hold in my top three (Austin/Hart WM 13) is there because of the blood. It made the match more intense, more powerful, more urgent. You're not going to get those kinds of matches today. Partially because of talent level but also because the wrestlers are being limited by the PG rating.

Yes, I realize that the Attitude era is gone. I also understand that every generation says to the next one to come along "You know in my day, shit was better" I understand that me and all of my friends who agree with me are taking that posture. It doesn't mean I didn't like what happened on Mon's Raw, and it doesn't mean I'm going to stop watching. In fact I love the Trips/Orton angle. Yeah it's been done before but this feels fresh, it' different than all this other PG shit because in what PG world of the prayers and vitamins does a wrestler assault another wrestler's wife right in front of him, daughter of the company owner or not?

But I watched before Attitude and I watch after Attitude. I also understand that this business is cyclical and is an amalgam of everything else in the world. The country was irreverent, frustrated, and horny in the 90s. This was the wrestling business as well. Once the country gets over it's feel good moments and hope and gets back to the reality of what it is to be human, and we start to see anger, backlash, and general frustration welling up within people, I'm sure we'll get a little more Attitude in our product.

So everyone that says "This is so much better than Attitude era" please do realize that you are not watching wrestling. You're watching sports entertainment. Any last glimmer of professional wrestling in the WWE died with the Attitude era. Now all you're left with is what Vince McMahon thinks pro wrestling should be.