Dave Meltzer Addresses The Rumors Surrounding TNA's Future

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Whether you like Dave Meltzer or not (Japan, five star matches, etc, etc) there is nobody outside the intermediate wrestling business with a better scope of what's going on then him. More often then not he is correct, while he admits on occasion he is wrong, as is every journalist no matter what their field is.

He predicted in early 2000 the downfall of both WCW and ECW within the year (then again, I guess that didn't take a genie) and now has addressed TNA's current situation in a long yet interesting article posted on his site.

There are tons of questions regarding the future of TNA, as in the face of major cutbacks, there is much speculation regarding changes that will be made, and may need to be made.

The biggest story involves the future of taping on the road, as well as the future of a number of wrestlers whose contracts are coming due, including the company’s two highest paid and best known stars, Hulk Hogan and Sting.

Hogan, 60, the face of the company, has his contract due on 10/1. Eric Bischoff, his major ally, is the key person when it comes to creative and there would be a major psychological blow to the company if he left. However, whether cutting back on his contract would help cut back on losses is a different question.

Hogan isn’t the only contract due, with Mickie James and Ken Anderson having been written out at the last TV, even though the door is still open for both to return if a deal is worked out. It’s well known that A.J. Styles, who is now being pushed as the company’s top babyface, and will be doing a TV feud with owner Dixie Carter, has his current short-term deal expire at the end of the year. Sting’s contract also expires at the end of the year. A few months back, people in WWE were talking about having a legitimate shot at getting Sting for a WrestleMania appearance, something which hasn’t been seriously talked about in years.

Sting and Kurt Angle are the second and third highest paid performers in the company, although Sting works far more limited dates, including almost no house shows.

At another time, the renewal of Hogan and Sting’s contract would be considered formalities from the TNA side, with the only question being if they would want to leave. But with the financial problems the company is facing, and so many performers being dropped when their contracts have expired, or being let go, every major expense is subject to review.

In a very interesting political move, Jeff Jarrett, who had only been at television once in recent memory, was at television the past week. Jarrett was working behind the scenes as a road agent, including being the agent for all three of the Bound for Glory series matches that aired on the 9/12 TV show. Given the quality of those matches, his work would have to be viewed as a positive. Jarrett was a key power broker in the company from a creative and administrative side before Hogan and Bischoff were brought in. His departure from power was more related to Carter being mad at him when Jarrett lied to her years ago when she asked him if the rumors of he and Karen Angle (now Karen Jarrett) being together were true.

The latest cost cutbacks are strong talks of going back to a singular location for tapings early next year. They are committed to being on the road and have venues booked through the end of December, including at least three tapings in December, so they are going to be getting ahead on the schedule by a couple of weeks. They will probably tape all TV through the end of February when they go on the U.K. tour. So if a change is going to be made, late February or early March would make sense as the target date.

It is a step back, but financially, there is no other alternative. While the story just broke publicly, within the company, people have talked about it as a probability for about six to eight weeks. There were rumors even before that, because everyone knew the road tapings, which cost about $600,000 every two weeks, were bleeding the company dry.

For all the feeling that the stars come off as bigger stars when you see them in arena settings, in front of generally hotter crowds and made for better television, it has not led to the desired results.

The ratings are about the same. The TV audience itself is actually down due to fewer viewers per home. Attendance and PPV numbers haven’t moved. It’s also become harder and harder to sell tickets for the taping shows.

The old Impact Zone is rented out. The locations that were rumored are going back to Central Florida, likely Orlando, back to the Fairgrounds Sports Arena in Nashville, or to a casino site in Las Vegas.

Since most of the talent lives in Central Florida, and the production crew is mostly people based out of Florida, Georgia and some in Tennessee, Orlando would be far cheaper as far as travel expenses go. The Fairgrounds, the home for TV in its first few years as a weekly PPV property, is inexpensive to run, but it has the look of being so much more minor league than the Impact Zone did. The look of the show improved by night and day when they left Nashville.

Las Vegas sounds better and more importantly, will probably look better on television if they choose the right place. But even thinking for a second, those rumors make no sense at all. They’d have to fly everyone in, and that would undermine the entire cost issues of why they are trying to get off the road. The only people in the company that I know of based in that area are Frankie Kazarian, Christopher Daniels, Kenny King, Mike Tenay and Samoa Joe is from there but at one point recently had relocated to Florida.

The Orleans Arena in Las Vegas, the rumored spot since it was the last place they ran in the city, wouldn’t be available every other week on a Thursday because they’ve got a minor league hockey team as a regular client. It’s also too big, with a capacity in the 7,000 range.

Either way, in any location they are going to have a big problem when it comes to getting fans out and when it comes to fan reaction when the fans see the product so much. That was why they wanted to get out of Orlando in the first place.

There were a lot of positives with the Universal deal. The rent was said to be a great deal. There were tons of people in the park, so you could always get a few hundred park goers to come in to see them taping a live TV show, especially if Hogan is there.

Going to Las Vegas every other Thursday, I wonder about the ability to, even with papering or all free tickets, if they would be able to keep getting enough people out. They were able to get people to Nashville every Wednesday when the company had far less exposure and generally lesser stars, although they were mostly were giving the tickets away. Nashville fans are generally very responsive.

People forget that when Raw started, the idea was to tape once every few weeks from the Manhattan Center, and that was in New York with its huge population base. They started the run selling out and turning people away, But after a few shows, they were down to selling 300 to 500 tickets and had to get out of the Manhattan Center and take the show on the road. Of course in the long run, that ended up being a blessing in disguise.

They have to pick a place that they can let people in for free, because in this day and age, you simply aren’t going to sell tickets in the same location every other week. The Impact Zone was also great because seating was only done right in front of the hard camera, to where it wouldn’t look bad with a few hundred people in.

The question I’ve been getting a lot is people asking if I thought Spike and Viacom would be willing to buy the promotion, like they did Bellator, which would alleviate much of the current uncertainty and guarantee its future.

I have no way of knowing the answer. The reasons they gave when they bought Bellator would be just as logical for TNA, in the sense they’d own the property, and wouldn’t have to worry about losing it like they lost UFC when it got big. But I think Spike really wanted MMA on its station because it had a great history with it and the station was associated with MMA. Bellator was probably on shaky footing financially but they were the only real option to bring MMA back to the station.

Still, TNA does draw bigger ratings and can be used to promote Bellator in many ways. There were stories that reached key people in other organizations that the company was for sale, but those within the company don’t believe that’s the case, that the Carters have a ton of money and Dixie Carter is passionate about the business.

There is a feeling with the cost cutting and restructuring that is going on, TNA can be a viable business as far as not bleeding money. There were periods pre-Hogan that the company was breaking even on its own, or even making a profit. But at this point the reality has set in that it’s probably never going to get any bigger or more popular. And that can hurt the motivation level and morale in the sense of recognition they were never going to really be competition and they aren’t building something big, but simply staying alive. Their weekly television audience is actually incredibly loyal, given how well the show holds up on holidays and against major sports competition.

The one thing I’d bet is if a sale was to happen, particularly if it would go to Spike, that Bischoff would have the best chance to wind up as the guy in charge, because that’s how the TV industry works. Bischoff has a track record in television, and even though it’s been 14 years since the WCW business really collapsed and started heading for the iceberg, the success of something at the level of Nitro is something nobody else in wrestling except Vince McMahon has on their resume. Plus, if there is a sale, most likely the new owners would consider Hogan, with his name value, as the strongest commodity, and not as an expensive character who can no longer wrestle and doesn’t move numbers anymore.

Other talent has been openly speculating that with all the cost cutting, that they may not renew Hogan or Sting, with the idea it would save the company significant amounts of money and that it wouldn’t hurt ratings or attendance at all. But Hogan is the face and identity of the brand, so I don’t see him being dropped. Carter has a great affinity for Sting, and has talked him into staying for one more year, ever since the end of 2006, since when he signed his first deal that year, it was a one-year deal and at the time he felt it was his retirement year. But he’s now closing in on 55.

To Sting’s credit, unlike just about everyone else at that age, he doesn’t look it. While they have to do smoke and mirrors with his matches of any length, he doesn’t move like an old man, the crowds love him and his promo work is by far the best of his career.

But ratings are going to be pretty much the same whether Hogan and Sting are there or not, as Hogan’s big return a few weeks ago drew the same number they were doing when Hogan wasn’t around.

I know that there are people high up that have questioned the Sting deal for the past few years, but Carter always brings him back. For Hogan, there is the idea that his name being associated with the brand helps in ways like licensing or a video game deal. That made sense in theory. But after nearly four years, that didn’t materialize. Hogan is great for media because he can open doors promoting shows locally, but even when he does, they don’t sell many tickets.

At the tapings this past week, things were done to potentially write James and Anderson out.

James, who has been in the business since the age of 19 on the indie scene as Alexis Laree, and then in TNA, before making it big under her real name in WWE, was offered a new deal, but had not agreed to terms. We’re told she has interest in going back to WWE if the opportunity is there. She was fired the last time, which was a very unpopular move among fans at the time. There were several issues involved, none of which had to do with her ability as a performer. She was let go due to an outside the ring things including an incident that happened on a European tour where she was late and held up the bus from leaving. It was blamed on behavior issues strong enough that she lost her job.

Anderson’s contract expires in a few weeks. The angle on TV where Anderson, 37, was taken out on a stretcher and Bully Ray piledrove him on the floor, was used to write him out if he doesn’t sign a new deal. If he signs a new deal (he was making $2,500 per appearance), it’s left open for him to do a big return as a face and using that angle as an injury, a return from a concussion and neck injuries from the piledriver.

In my mind, they put him over way too much as a face in that final match storyline segment if he’s not coming back. It’s also TNA, so you have to speculate the possibility that they’ll do a big angle at Bound for Glory with Anderson and Devon (since they keep mentioning his name) either causing Bully to lose or even swerving everyone and they help Bully to win.

Also on the financial end, there have been reports this past week that all production people were caught up on back pay.

However, in checking, that’s not the case. The production people were paid something of late, but many were not caught up. Many had talked of quitting at recent tapings with people citing that their family members or wives were asking them why they keep coming to work when they aren’t getting paid. One production person was said to have quit before the most recent tapings. Even getting paid something was considered a good sign at this point. There is not a feeling that the company is going anywhere, with the idea it does successful numbers for two hours in prime time for Spike, well above their station average. But there is uncertainty about what form the company will take going forward with so many genuine stars and key people having departed in recent months.
For those who want a bulletpoint run down of what he said.

- TNA is having financial issues mostly due to them travelling on the road which is "bleeding the company dry."
- Several top stars contracts including Hulk Hogan, Sting and AJ Styles are coming up and its all a case of formalities on whether they'll stick around.
- Discussion on whether they should take Impact off the road or not have been going on for a few weeks.
- Going on the road has been viewed as a failure because ratings haven't increased, attendances haven't increased nor has PPV sales. The only positive is the look of the show.
- No matter where they relocate for set tapings there'll be issues e.g. going to Vegas but flying a lot of talent in will contradict their cost cutting measures.
- He doesn't know if Spike would buy TNA or not but going off why they bought Bellator they might, the key difference being however they wanted MMA back on the station due to them being known previously for broadcasting UFC.
- TNA seem to be coming around to the idea that they'll never grow bigger and that may hurt morale.
- If Spike took over they'd most probably place Eric Bischoff in-charge due to his resume with WCW.
- While Hogan is viewed as the face of the brand and good for the company's image his name isn't selling tickets or drawing ratings.
- Certain members of production's backpay were caught up on but not everyone, there isn't a feeling backstage that the company is going anywhere but an unease due to the key figures who have left in recent months.
 
- While Hogan is viewed as the face of the brand and good for the company's image

whoever thinks this quote is an IDIOT. Hogan may be the most well known employee of TNA he is far far away from the Face of the Company..that I believe falls on the shoulders of AJ & Jeff Hardy.

I don't see TNA going anywhere. but I do see Hogan gone at years end, thank god, as a person who regularly watches TNA he has done absolutly nothing during his time there. and when he is out and about the town(s) taking pictures and hobnobbing with the celebs, doing other appearances he never ever mentions TNA Wrestling. he needs to go to open up the money he is getting for no return
 
Jesus, they're still behind on payroll? And with their production people? I understand being behind on the wrestlers, most of them don't have better options outside of TNA right now. The production people (all the people that do the work behind the scenes to make the show happen) have options. Television's a big industry, and most of the skills needed to produce a professional wrestling show are the same as any other television show.

It's going to get worse before it gets better, but I'm not sure I buy every story about contracts expiring. AJ's certainly locked in- it's insanity to give a guy a real hard push before you expect him to leave. (I am making the risky assumption that the people booking TNA are sane right now.) D-Von is either backstage or is resigning imminently. The rest, they're probably gone.

TNA shouldn't blame their road tour entirely for this. While- hindsight being 20/20- going live wouldn't have changed the ratings by itself enough to make the costs worth it, their material has flat out sucked lately. (I'm sure people will run along and tell me how their favorite mid-card wrestler is saving the company with their hilarious antics or awesome ring dives.) It doesn't matter where you're taping it- if you're doing things like making HUGE REVEALS that get no response, it's going to look like shit.
 
No source, no reference, no names, not even an inkling of proof that shows that what is being discussed here is even remotely true. I know a certain someone will chime in here with his sarcastic bullshit, but you truly can't knowowowowow. At least, not about everything. I love how something so logical, seems so illogical to the dude above me. No sources - no certainty. Only opinions, only theories. Am I wrong? Nope. Now let's believe rumors as if they happened right before our eyes! Yay!

Is there something going on? Shit, you'd think so with all the rumors flying around. Smoke, fire, you do the math. I no longer question that. Not because of the dirt sheets, but because of Dixie Carter's response to the dirt sheets. She defended TNA. Hence, something's going on. Financially.

The rest of this, though? A lot of it seems like well crafted fiction, based on half-truths to make it seem more legit. What got me was the part about crew members wanting to quit and their wives asking why they still go to work. C'mon, how could Meltzer possibly know such information? And not just. You'd think every single personal and business issue in TNA is being yelled at off a tall building in rush hour with a bull horn.

TNA's trying to cut costs? Likely. TNA's rethinking their touring model? Likely. TNA's rethinking Hogan's use? Likely. It can be false, but if it's true, you can see logic in it. The rest of this? Way, way, way too detailed for Dave Meltzer or anyone else not involved with TNA to know.

I question 90% of what he said because I just don't think anyone outside of TNA could have such specific information. Anderson's payment? A rank order of who earns how much in TNA? What's going on in the crew members' families? Please. Something's fishy here.

Either way, I'm not worried about TNA one bit. So they're low on cash - they find another location, show goes on. Clearly TNA's not going to be the next WCW in terms of success, many people have known that for half a decade including yours truly. It's not the 90's anymore, things are so much more different, it's not happening. I think it'll be swell if people slowly stopped expecting some wizard to snap their fingers and make TNA kick WWE in the nuts. The sooner these expectations die, the better TNA will be off.

Be glad you have another wrestling company to bitch about. TNA doesn't have to be competition to the WWE. It can be good without that status. Producing quality content should be their only goal. Not competition - that will not happen. Not at this point. If they make good TV then maybe something will improve, but I really doubt it. Not because good doesn't equal success, but because it's wrestling and nobody gives a flying fuck about wrestling.

Did you see the last episode of Breaking Bad? That's what people give a flying fuck about. Wrestling, any wrestling, will not come half way near to that, therefore it has no chance in hell.

WWE is in the same spot TNA is in. They're stagnant. Numbers wise - nothing is happening. They're frozen solid. Ratings are the same, or lower. Attendance is the same, or lower. PPV buy rates ain't doing too well. They get the occasional hot storyline but it doesn't do jack for them because, as I said before, nobody gives a flying fuck about wrestling.

TNA's in the same position, except they have no hot periods. The difference is that WWE has the finances to comfortably keep doing what they've been doing and TNA has to be much more careful.

Other than that, both companies can kiss their dreams of expansion goodbye and be thankful that there are people like us who still give a flying fuck. We'll stop caring one day too, and then wrestling will die. I give it 20-30 years, tops. Older wrestling fans will be in their 50's and 60's, guys like me will be in our 40's and all that's left are little kids who didn't grow up on the good stuff so it's easier for them to detach themselves early on.

It's a sad story, but it's true. Hey, I'm pretty good at that "makin' stuff up" like Meltzer is! Hey, Dave, can I get my own blog too so I can pretend I have secret spy sources in WWE and TNA?
 
In short, Dave Meltzer does not know whether TNA will be around or not.:shrug:

Read the entire statement from Meltzer and all he said was:

Hogan brings name value to TNA
Sting brings name value to TNA
TNA is a good ratings draw for Spike TV
People are still having problems with pay.

We all knew that. Meltzer did not really reveal anything new. I thought he was going to give a prediction of how long TNA will last which was why I signed up to comment on.

P.S.

One thing Meltzer does bring up and I am happy he did was the defense of the Impact Zone and how it was a great place for TNA to have their shows. Being there was cheap for them and did not hurt their pocketbooks.
 
whoever thinks this quote is an IDIOT. Hogan may be the most well known employee of TNA he is far far away from the Face of the Company..that I believe falls on the shoulders of AJ & Jeff Hardy.

You just contradicted yourself.

Face of the company = most well known employee.

Alex Rodriguez may be a despised, over the hill, hated steroid user, but he is still considered the "face of baseball".

No one knows who AJ Styles is.

Most people who know who Jeff Hardy is remember him from his run in WWF with his brother.

Impact will go off the road soon...as everyone predicted from the beginning. I guess good on them for giving it a shot.
 
Whether you like Dave Meltzer or not (Japan, five star matches, etc, etc) there is nobody outside the intermediate wrestling business with a better scope of what's going on then him. More often then not he is correct, while he admits on occasion he is wrong, as is every journalist no matter what their field is.

He predicted in early 2000 the downfall of both WCW and ECW within the year (then again, I guess that didn't take a genie) and now has addressed TNA's current situation in a long yet interesting article posted on his site.



For those who want a bulletpoint run down of what he said.

- TNA is having financial issues mostly due to them travelling on the road which is "bleeding the company dry."
- Several top stars contracts including Hulk Hogan, Sting and AJ Styles are coming up and its all a case of formalities on whether they'll stick around.
- Discussion on whether they should take Impact off the road or not have been going on for a few weeks.
- Going on the road has been viewed as a failure because ratings haven't increased, attendances haven't increased nor has PPV sales. The only positive is the look of the show.
- No matter where they relocate for set tapings there'll be issues e.g. going to Vegas but flying a lot of talent in will contradict their cost cutting measures.
- He doesn't know if Spike would buy TNA or not but going off why they bought Bellator they might, the key difference being however they wanted MMA back on the station due to them being known previously for broadcasting UFC.
- TNA seem to be coming around to the idea that they'll never grow bigger and that may hurt morale.
- If Spike took over they'd most probably place Eric Bischoff in-charge due to his resume with WCW.
- While Hogan is viewed as the face of the brand and good for the company's image his name isn't selling tickets or drawing ratings.
- Certain members of production's backpay were caught up on but not everyone, there isn't a feeling backstage that the company is going anywhere but an unease due to the key figures who have left in recent months.

Here's some corrections to your bulletpoints.

- Several top stars contracts including Hulk Hogan, Sting and AJ Styles are coming up and its all a case of formalities on whether they'll stick around. - It WAS a case of formalities but TNA now have to seriously consider everyone of them due to their budgets, every major expenses are subjective to review.
- Going on the road has been viewed as a failure because ratings haven't increased, attendances haven't increased nor has PPV sales. The only positive is the look of the show. -Not only did attendances did not increase but there's increasing problems to sell tickets.

- No matter where they relocate for set tapings there'll be issues e.g. going to Vegas but flying a lot of talent in will contradict their cost cutting measures. - That issue only applies to Vegas, but the most common issue for all locations would be selling tickets in the same area on a weekly basis.


Many of these were RUMORS but with Dave Meltzer discussing it in such detail pretty much confirms that they are true. TNA is really in a bad predicament right now, going on the road clearly won't remain for much longer because of the huge financial implications. Relocating have problems of it's own including arena size, usage, and by far the biggest problem is selling tickets to the same area each week so that will be tricky. Key personals like Eric Bischoff leaving would be a problem too as well so many key performers such as Sting have a high chance of leaving too because TNA cannot sustain their contract.

I kind of questioned that TNA abandoned the Impact Zone way too hastily when they moved, looks like it was right. Because in hindsight the Impact Zone was really the perfect spot for a permanent home for TNA. It's a theme park so there's always people, no problems with filling up the arena there. With it's setup it makes the few audiences look pretty good on TV and the location is convenient as well. It's a sticky situation that TNA is in and I would like to see how they solve this problem.
 
Zeven_Zion said:
Everything is fine, dirt sheet rumors and IWC stupidheads.
I hate doing the whole fake quote thing, but fuck, man. The "it's just a dirt sheet rumor" response. I wanted to call it in my first post, but that would have changed the result.

Zeven, the difference between you and Dave Meltzer and you is that he has a multiple decades long run of being recognized as a guy who actually knows his shit. You have a couple year reputation of being a blowhard on a message board who once claimed that a woman wouldn't have a legitimate sexual harassment complaint unless she was violently raped in the locker room.

It's a matter of credibility. When you make up a bunch of stuff, the upper 75% of this board (you're slipping) goes "fuck, there he goes again". When Dave Meltzer makes up a bunch of stuff, people go "hrm, he's usually been right before." Meltzer can be counted on to be accurate a reasonable percentage of the time; you can be counted on to defend the TNA company line a very, very reliable percentage of the time.

Seriously, shattered_dreams went through this ranting Polly Pisspants phase a few months ago now. You should have gotten past the fact that TNA has been mismanaged over the past few years; while the marketplace is an issue, they could have performed much better with the hand they had. We're moving forward with TNA (we hope), and maybe you'll join the rest of the world on that bus.
 
Reading that and I wonder if he's full of shit or if his source could be someone like Jarrett or Bischoff. I say this since both guys have been around and both guys get a little rub in the article.

I still don't understand how TNA leadership failed to see what a mess going on the road could be or how expensive Hogan and Sting were but I guess that happens in business.

But mostly I'm concerned, not for TNA, but for DS getting banned for posting spoilers and Zeven's mental health in general.
 
Meh, pretty much the same thing we've been hearing for the last few months since the contract issues, and late pay stories emerged. I'd imagine Tna had to consider the absolute risky financial gamble going on the road would be, and there were seemingly two options either It would work or it wouldn't. Being displaced is pretty heavy I certainly hope if the road isn't their future they can find a good central location. Even if they have to take two steps back, I wouldn't start thinking of funeral arrangements just yet. As Meltzer stated the audience is pretty loyal, I'd call it stable-overall. I just hope that's good enough for the decision makers
 
Like I said before, until Spike, or Dixie puts the Out of Business sign up, TNA is still alive. Fact of the matter is though, the popularity of Wrestling has been cut in half since Vince bought out, and killed WCW/ECW. Fans after that went on to UFC, or some other form of entertainment. I wouldn't be surprised that in the next year, Raw's rating's will be in the low 2's or even below that.

Maybe TNA should get John Taffer to help rescue them.
 
Dixie Carter herself pointed out months ago that being on the road would bleed a lot of money before it starts to make a profit. She mentioned it would be over a year before any gain would come of it and funny enough, that's around the same time they wish to back down from it. The way I see it, they should restructure anything they can and release anyone not willing to stay to make TNA stay on the road. Otherwise their fear of the company staying "small" is going to become a reality.


They have primetime TV, broadcast all over the world but somehow ROH had more attendance in their TV tapings and toured more often up until March of this year? That's just maddening. I'm not saying it as a knock on ROH, but as a knock on TNA. It's not a matter of taking a gamble that can kill them. It's about making the changes that'll help them move ahead. Dave Meltzer wrote it in black and white. Staying one place, AGAIN, is not going to work long term. Staying on the road will. Gotta let Hogan go? Fine. Sting? Fine. Besides AJ Styles, Roode, Aries and James Storm, there is really no one in TNA's roster that is "must have". If they can't fit themselves to TNA's future, they ain't worth having at the moment.
 
Metlzer has also said that Hogan has been crucial in booking arenas and as a draw for Impact tapings. He is important when they go on the UK tour as well. Hogan is also important to advertisers and Viacom excecutives.

You can make all these arguments about going on the road means jack. Neither AJ Styles, Sting or Hogan have been any game changers lately. I'd rather cut them and keep Impact on the road.

There is no one and easy solution but
Bischoff can't double the viewership
Russo can't double the viewership
Meltzer doesn't have any answers just criticism
 
I feel like all this talk of TNAs financial troubles and future plans ignores the elephant in the room- THE CREATIVE TEAM.

this back and forth debate about whether to pay ex-WWE guys with big names big dollars, or to develop young stars (in dixie carters own words- "takes years to do and is very difficult") is moot when you dont have a creative team to book wrestlers to build them up or write storylines that you maintain and make any kind of sense.

(and by the way, i say this as a TNA fan and a long time VInce-hater)

TNA has pound-for-pound BETTER talent, i say, but theyll never get any better ratings than a 1.0 (if that) if they dont rethink their entire approach. and at this point, im tired of talking myself into the idea that they are about to turn the corner.

who exactly is running this show and what is the vision for what it COULD be? the only answer seems to be BIschoff, and thats pretty dismal. outside of the NWO (which was maybe the best angel in the history of the business), hes shown nothing in all this time, save for many many rehashings of said NWO.

TNA needs a new voice and a new vision. NOT Las Vegas, or the road, or WWE Lite, and definitely not MMA past thier prime fighters who are terrible. TERRIBLE. at working a mic

But Dixie Carter is too scared to try something really new, quite obviously. she would rather bank on has-beens and mediocre ratings. TNA isnt gonna go away, its just not gonna go anwhere else, either. theyll cut costs and roster even further, and run a mediocre-at-best- promotion with maybe 25 guys before this purging is over and limp along for a long time to come.

and thats just god damned sad. there is a HUGE potential audience that quit on wrestling years ago, and younger viewers who have no alternative to Uncle VInnys G-Rated Muscle Parade, and DIxie Carter too scared to see it.
 
Metlzer has also said that Hogan has been crucial in booking arenas and as a draw for Impact tapings. He is important when they go on the UK tour as well. Hogan is also important to advertisers and Viacom excecutives.
* Shows without Hogan have done just as much as those with him.
* TNA in the UK sells like beer in a frat house.
* Bischoff can do just as much for advertisements and TV.
You can make all these arguments about going on the road means jack. Neither AJ Styles, Sting or Hogan have been any game changers lately. I'd rather cut them and keep Impact on the road.
AJ is at least a fully active wrestler and carries TNA's entire history. Hogan and Sting on the other hand aren't something to die over.
There is no one and easy solution but
Bischoff can't double the viewership
Russo can't double the viewership
Meltzer doesn't have any answers just criticism
Bischoff runs the TV and Russo was writer so I fail to see the point in mentioning them. Meltzer is just saying that TNA has choices to make that will affect it's future, but not kill it.
 
Bischoff runs the TV and Russo was writer so I fail to see the point in mentioning them. Meltzer is just saying that TNA has choices to make that will affect it's future, but not kill it.

The point is they tried and didn't double the viewership. TNA needs a game changer.

Shows without Hogan have done just as much as those with him.
* TNA in the UK sells like beer in a frat house.
* Bischoff can do just as much for advertisements and TV.

You know what. Meltzer would tell you, and I agree with him, that it's not about actual ticket sales or factual draw. It's about the perception with arena excecutives, Viacom suits, advertisers...with Hogan TNA, has a profile, a trademark. I'm not saying he is worth whatever money he is getting but it would be problematic to run the tour without him.

Do you think advertisers care about Bischoff? That's just :banghead:
 
Mr. Meltzer basically restated information that we already knew. IMO I think that TNA's biggest expenses were Hogan, Bishoff, Flair, RVD and any other talents they signed way back in 2010. I mean think about where they possibly could be if they spent that money on established indy stars, younger talent for the X-Division, better Creative team personnel or basically ANYTHING ELSE. I think the best thing for them to do now is start over. TNA should either hire Jarrett back with a prominent job in creative or management. Heck, even as the on-screen GM would be refreshing, at least he would be familiar with the product. They should find young, ambitious talent that could actually approach stories and matches with enthusiasm (What happened to Gut Check?). The only current main event stars they NEED are Styles, Hardy, Bully, Joe, Roode, Daniels, Magnus, Aries and possibly Sting in a supporting role for stories.

As far as location is conserned, I feel that they should go with whatever is cheaper. No matter where TNA goes they will have issues with filling their seats. This is simply because they still aren't as well known as WWE, and probably won't ever be, at least not ANYTIME soon. So, why not go will something that will cost less money?

Dixie needs someone who she has faith in AND who also knows what they are doing. She seemed to have faith in Hogan, but he was just as clueless as she was when it came to what the fans want and EB's only notable management experience was with WCW, which was driven into the ground. To bad Paul Heyman is under contract with WWE, and didn't seem to interested in TNA beforehand, because he seems to be exactly the type of person Dixie needs behind the scenes.
 
Ok, so, wow. First, until someone at TNA goes on the record and states all of this, including contract statuses and financial information, it is pure speculation. I've said it before and ill say it again, TNA is a private company with no public holdings which means they have no reason or obligation to disclose any information.

Now, as far as speculation, in all likelihood they were paying to be housed at Universal, and they were not charging entry to the shows or PPVs. They are paying for arena rentals and are able to charge admission for TV and PPVs. They taped the ONe Night Only series over the course of a few days to eliminate PPVs over the course of the year. The would have saved serious money in doing it that way, and to be clear, anyone that says otherwise doesn't get it. Where TNA MAY actually be bleeding money would be in their house shows which typically aren't drawing, in the early days of their house shows, promoters would buy the shows, so TNA was guaranteed money. They then began taking the house shows back to the same markets, but they didn't draw. TV on the road gets money from tickets, sponsors, commercials and Spike. Setting up a shop would save money, but they'll need to be in a place where they are charging entry. If they go back to Universal, they need to work out a deal that allows them to charge admission, otherwise they'll spin tires again. Their other solution would be to run one area of the US rather than running all over the place.
 
Well here is the question.What kept TNA on tv for so long? Young talent? People tired of seeing the same old thing? Wrestlers from our youths? Storylines? Rebelling from the WWE? I kinda liked the idea of pushing the younger talent. Giving a guy/gal a chance to shine when they might normally not. If they don't work out,oh well, you didn't spend a lot of money. You gotta spend a lot to get a Hogan. Is it worth it? I say no. But to some it might seem totally worth it. Is TNA going anywhere? Do they need a reboot? Hell Yeah!!!!!!!
 
I will preach to the chior. I do think TNA has some financial issues. But I think they are the result of a few small errors and a few major ones. I would like TNA to stay around because " TNA is what is best for business " .

While they may not draw like WWE, they offer fans an alternative. And while Heyman may not be available. TNA has the talent and raw materials to be viable for years to come. I do believe in TNA.

But TNA should adopt a ROH business model.

*Do most of your tapings some place cheap. Here in Baltimore, ROH uses the Du Burns arena because Sinclair Broadcasting doesn't mind footing the small rental fee.

*Take major PPV's on the road if you can cover the cost from ticket sales.

If not, go back to your home base and promote the hell out of your event in your region. Use TV, Print and Radio.

*Hire upcoming indy talent to fill out the Knockouts and X Division. Throw in some good indy established Tag Teams. There are too many awesome duos floating around with nowhere to go and willing to work for exposure.

[ I can name at least 5 teams that are great in the ring, can get to Florida and can cut a damn good promo. ]

* Make Jeff Hardy the face of the Company.

He is well known, can work a match and has a following.

* Do some damn PR !

This is one of TNA's biggest weaknesses. They have Hogan but he rarely mentions TNA. What is his value if he isn't going to plug the product ? WWE puts asses in the seat through Be a Star, Make a Wish and the other causes they champion. Some may not agree but PR can do wonders.


* Creative

Like another poster said. Create better storylines. Something simple and entertaining. Use the old storylines from Crockett, Mid South or the NWA Pacific territory. It doesn't have to be complicated. Network Television rehashes all the time.

These may not move the needle over night but it can make it better for those who watch the product and lets hope they talk it up to friends.

I do believe in TNA.
 
If Meltzer says has truth to it there are a few takeaways I see here

1.) Hogan being the face of TNA is laughable. Sure he can provide that Marquee name one in a while but if TNA really feels that Hogan, a 60 year old guy who can't even go at it in the ring, is their John Cena then there's the problem right there.

2.) AJ Styles is currently the top baby face of the company and Jeff Jarrett is having more backstage influence recently. Isn't this what was happening Pre-Hogan/Bishoff? In other words should Hogan/Bishoff be gone, it's basically going to be 2009 again. So imagine those wasted 4 years.
 
Over the years, I haven't agreed with Melzer. While is accurate he does things the wrong way.

I think the most part he is correct on their locations and even selling the company. What Melzer isn't saying, is I wonder if Dixie is looking to sell the company to WWE. Dixie has had meetings over the last few months with Stephanie so I'm curious to know if TNA will become that other brand of WWE that will air on Thursday nights.

WWE is an entertainment company, not a wrestling company. Vince has said that many times. One thing that the WWE wants to do is control wrestling on your TV. In the past they were running three shows a week and sometimes more. Sunday Night Heat, Shotgun, Raw, Smackdown, and now even Main Event. So WWE doesn't have a problem running their shows on other nights than just Monday and Friday. This is where the WWE could use TNA as their Thursday night solution on USA / SyFy. Wrestlers from Raw would go on Thursdays to challenge people on Impact (Have to cut out the word wrestling).

I don't think SpikeTV will buy TNA. One of the issues with TNA currently has been because of SpikeTV's market. I posted that months ago where USA gets 3-4x more than SpikeTV. Bischoff though buying TNA would be smart, even if Hogan would co-sign for it. This would give Bischoff another WCW, and on top of that would not have to be on SpikeTV. He still has contacts at Turner, I'm sure TNA getting onto TBS / TNT could really help the TNA market.

I think from what we have been seeing the last couple months in TNA isn't going to fix itself. The viewership isn't there, and ticket sales are scarce. Even the upcoming BFG, I can still find tickets for the show and a lot too.

TNA has problems, but so does WWE and ROH. Is wrestling to blame?
 
I just did some research on Dixie's parents whilst watching impact.

I was gobsmacked, Panda Energy is worth about 4billion apparently which eclipses any money Vince has.

So realistically speaking, TNA is worth more as a whole than WWE.

I don't think they will ever go out of business for that reason.
The Carters will just keep pumping money in.

Now if they sold it to Spike TV or someone, then ofc the company would probably go bankrupt within a few years.
 
I don't question Meltzer's points, from the sound of it TNA is questioning the growth strategies that were employed over the past few years and attempting a serious restructure. Whether you're a fan of TNA's product or not, you can recognize facts about the product. Hulk Hogan isn't moving the needle for TNA any longer. Bischoff's direction for the company isn't making memorable storylines that add to the history of the promotion, it's embarrassing rehashes. Impact isn't a good show, the storylines are bad and don't lead up to anything exciting. There's always emphasis on past WWE stars who have done very little in TNA therefore you're required to know about their WWE pasts. TNA has NO stars, so all this talk about misusing Samoa Joe, Roode, Storm and AJ is ridiculous. These guys have had years to get over and they aren't doing it, so stop focusing on them. All those former TNA main eventers who stew in the locker room over not having Bret Hart's career should be JOBBING to NEW TALENT, exciting people with the right look and charisma. If AJ Styles is so good, how come he hasn't turned Rob Terry into a Brock Lesnar? Maybe it's Jeff Jarrett's influence giving all the TNA midcarders huge egos like his.

I'm sick of supporting TNA as a company, hoping they "get it right" and make a wrestling show that isn't embarrassing to watch. WWE has made many improvements in the past few years and is starting a brand new era of great storytelling and showcasing of an indy up and comer in Daniel Bryan. I'd rather see TNA go away so ROH can secure a major cable deal and offer a better WWE alternative to the country.
 
I just did some research on Dixie's parents whilst watching impact.

I was gobsmacked, Panda Energy is worth about 4billion apparently which eclipses any money Vince has.

So realistically speaking, TNA is worth more as a whole than WWE.

I don't think they will ever go out of business for that reason.
The Carters will just keep pumping money in.

Now if they sold it to Spike TV or someone, then ofc the company would probably go bankrupt within a few years.
NO. WRONG. WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. Put on this cap and go sit in the corner.

There are so many misconceptions you have here that it's going to be impossible to catch them all, but let's start.

1) Panda Energy is not 100% owned by the Carters. They have a majority interest in it and less than 500 shareholders, meaning they don't have to publicly disclose their finances. (Misconception 1a: That the finances of a private company are impossible to guess at without the company publishing them, but the only place you'll find people who believe that one are on this board.)

2) People who are successful at business aren't successful because they like to throw endless money after passion projects. If TNA didn't care about money at all, we wouldn't be hearing about talent releases, late checks, aborting the live taping model, so on, and so forth.

3) Panda Energy is worth four billion dollars. That includes property, both physical and intellectual, which is (for almost any company) the majority of their assets. They don't have four billion dollars to turn around and make TNA awesome; that's what you want them to do with their money.

4) Realistically speaking, NO, WRONG, TNA is NOT worth more than the WWE. TNA's parent company is worth more than the WWE. That's like saying that Unilever (look them up) is worth more than Arm & Hammer baking soda. No shit. The companies operate under two different models. TNA, broken off as a division from Panda Energy, wouldn't even come close to approaching the WWE's market capitalization.

5) Smart business people stop spending money when they realize it won't come back to them as a profit. That's how you make and keep money. You don't get four billion dollars because you want your daughter to be surrounded by greased up half naked men twenty years her junior.
 

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