Curtis Axel as Intercontinetal Champion a mistake

crippler

Best In The World!!!
I am not questioning the ability of Curtis Axel cuz he is good in the ring. Since he has become Intercontinental he has been lowered to wrestling against guys like Wade Barrett, The Miz and Sin Cara this is a downgrade from before he was champion. Before Axel became Intercontinental he was in the main event matches against guys like John Cena and Triple H count out wins or what ever it was making him stand out . Axel is a suppose to be a Heyman guy well if he is a Heyman guy he should be in the ring against guys like Cena, RVD, CM Punk, Randy Orton, Alberto Del'Rio, Mark Henry, Dolph Ziggler, Christian and Danial Bryan. Since he won the Intercontinental the only decent guy that he wrestled that made him be of intrest Intercontinental was his 2 matches with Jericho. If WWE are not going to give him main even opponents as Intercontinental Champion like they did before he was champion making him champion was a mistake and ruining him.
 
Curtis Axel is the best Intercontinental Champion since Cody Rhodes in my opinion. When he was announced as the new "Paul Heyman Guy", I was afraid they would throw him in the main event for no reason, and feed him to Cena, but fortunately that didn't happen, lol. Making him IC Champion was a very smart decision by WWE. All he needs now is a decent feud. How about a feud with the Mid-Card King, Kofi Kingston?
I believe in Curtis Axel. I've supported him since his FCW days and always will. I'm sure he will achieve his dream and become World Champion one day.

"He's golden. Give him a couple weeks, a couple months, and he'll make a big impact." - Randy Orton
 
I am not questioning the ability of Curtis Axel cuz he is good in the ring. Since he has become Intercontinental he has been lowered to wrestling against guys like Wade Barrett, The Miz and Sin Cara this is a downgrade from before he was champion. Before Axel became Intercontinental he was in the main event matches against guys like John Cena and Triple H count out wins or what ever it was making him stand out . Axel is a suppose to be a Heyman guy well if he is a Heyman guy he should be in the ring against guys like Cena, RVD, CM Punk, Randy Orton, Alberto Del'Rio, Mark Henry, Dolph Ziggler, Christian and Danial Bryan. Since he won the Intercontinental the only decent guy that he wrestled that made him be of intrest Intercontinental was his 2 matches with Jericho. If WWE are not going to give him main even opponents as Intercontinental Champion like they did before he was champion making him champion was a mistake and ruining him.

I don't see how he has been lowered at all, the guys you named are World Champions or WWE champions contenders. He is nowhere near that level yet and would be stupid to push him that quickly to be squashed by Cena. At the level he is he can establish himself and the IC title. However, the chances are he will go against RVD and that will make it very interesting considering RVD is a Heyman guy.
 
Well it isn't the worst post I have ever seen, but it ranks pretty high up there. Where to begin.....
Nothing about being a Heyman guys says you need to be at the top. Heyman guys means nothing more than, "My promos suck and I need a paul infusion". Mr. Heyman rules the mic, just like the Brain did many ages ago.....We just didn't call them Heenan guys.
You said it was a downgrade, he was in a couple of matches, the problem is this, You can't just grab a guy who you like and force feed him to a group of people you has seen him change characters over and over. He had two simple matches in which top teir talent carried his ass. Axel lack so much I don't care how many time Lawler says he is a telneted wrestler....he isn't nor will he ever be. IN 5 months from now Curtis Axel will be just another failed experiment of Mr. Henning.
Trying to put him as a top heel over the likes of Henry,Shield, Wyatts, Lesnar,ryback etc etc is a joke at best. In ring he can't handle it, and the mic well heyman got that.
I see this as an upgrade for him, where was he before Curtis Axel, playing don't touch my beard with Santino Marrella? Yeah, he was a steaming pile of internet crap. So skipping over the US title and jumping to the top of the IC world is HUGE stretch in itself, let alone setting a main event. His Daddy never was a main eventer, nor will he be. (This coming from a Huge Perfect fan)
This is how I look at it. Cena is in the ring and here comes Ryback, Lesnar, or other. In my mind I think...."Oh snap someone is about to get their ass kicked." Now same situation and here comes out Axel "Wtf is this Jaborni doing, cena is dead in the ring and will still whooop his ass".
Axel is a PAUL HEYMAN EXPERIMENT. In my mind I saw it work like this

Heyman "Hell yeah vince I want a raise"
Vince "I am going to need see more"
Heyman "Give me anyone reasonable and I will make them a top teir guy in 5 months".
Vince " Alright Zach Ryder, or Great Khali"
Heyman " I said Reasonable, those are two stupid ideas that will never go anywhere. Khali can't even speak english, and Ryder was classic example of why fans should STFU, since they have no clue about talent."
Vince " alright, who do you want"
Heyman "How about Henning's son, I'll give him a new name, and market him like the son of his father...a Perfect son, a 3rd gen superstar.....Oh sanp Curtis Perfect"
Vince "use Curtis Axel and market 3rd generations. good luck Paul, if you fail your fired btw."
 
It feels like they rushed Curtis Axel out of the main event with the IC title win. Who knows what the original plans for him where. I think they didn't forsee either CM Punk or Brock Lesnar coming back so soon. That rivalry, if anything, is taking away from time Heyman could be devoting to getting Axel over. It just makes no sense to me to give this guy such a powerful push with clean wins against Cena and Triple H, only to give him a midcard title that seems to fade people into obscurity. There are very few people who can make the midcard titles relevant, such as Ziggler and Cody Rhodes, but other than that those titles pretty much make you invisible. This is why, again, I'm going with the theory that there were bigger plans for Axel that had to be unexpectedly halted.
 
I don't think it's a mistake as long as they get the right guy to feud with him. Right now, it's a little confusing though since they had him main eventing Raw against the likes of Cena, then they all of the sudden drop him to the mid-card to feud against Miz. Feuding w/ Miz isn't going to help anybody since no one gives a single sh*t about him.

Having Jericho try to claim his 10th IC Title at MITB instead of a random match against Ryback would've made better booking, imo. And now with SummerSlam on the way, I would've had Heyman try to reconcile with RVD, only to be rejected. That would set up for a match that RVD could carry and make very entertaining. You need top talent to put Axel over in order for him to get anywhere. They started him off right, but I don't know what they're doing now. Having him win over Miz, Barrett, a returning Kofi isn't going to do him any favors.

Axel has been completely overshadowed by Heyman's feud with Punk when instead he could be involved somehow. I know Heyman's whole thing is his clients don't wrestle for free, but wouldn't ratings go up if Punk & RVD took on Lesnar & Axel on the last Raw before SummerSlam?
 
I just want to remind everyone it took 14 months after he debuted for CM Punk to win a title! He debuted in June 2006 and won the ECW Championship in September 2007.

Punk was always a gifted wrestler. And he was over with the crowd pretty quickly (look at Survivor Series 2006 where they chanted for CM PUNK over DX).

But Punk never became a huge star until the pipebomb promo in early Summer 2011.

Why am I mentioning this? Because Curtis Axel is a work in progress. He will get there. And for him to hold the IC title, when it does come to him to enter the World Title picture, it will bring a bit more credibility to the IC Title (which has been overlook a lot over the past 14 years).
 
Making him champion was not a mistake, their booking of him was. In the past many IC Champions had high profile feuds. WWE seem to have a problem booking the US and IC Championship decently in recent times and it's a wonder why. After Brock though it's almost guarantee that Axel will start feuding with Punk, I guess we have to wait and see.
 
I have to disagree. I don't think it was a mistake at all because, in the grand scheme of things, Axel is doing a solid job as a heel champion in my opinion. He hasn't been blowing the roof off the place with how good he is or anything of that nature, but he's ultimately done a good job with what he's been handed by WWE creative. Can't really ask or expect more than that from anybody.

It does seem as though Axel was rushed into the IC title picture. It seemed pretty obvious, at least to me, that WWE's initial plan was for Fandango to win the IC title because he was originally scheduled to face Barrett & Miz. However, as sometimes happens, things happen that disrupt plans. With Fandango out due to a concussion, WWE did what was, in my estimation, the best thing they could do: they put somebody completely fresh in the title picture. In recent years, there were tons of complaints in regards to WWE not elevating anyone fresh into a push or title run but now that it's becoming a more common practice, Axel's a mistake?

As far as facing off against guys like Cena, Orton, Punk and the likes; do you want the IC champ jobbing out to main eventers left and right? I know I certainly don't because, frankly, that's most of what we saw Wade Barrett doing during WrestleMania season. Mid-card champions are, generally speaking, supposed to wrestle against mid-card competitors. Guys like Cena, Punk, Orton, Del Rio aren't mid-carders. They're higher up on the totem pole and, as a result, it's not usual practice for the mid-card champions to go up against them. Often times, when they do, they wind up losing. When that happens, then you have internet fans & dirtsheet writers alike bitching about the mid-card titles being devalued by having the mid-card champs job out to wrestlers higher up on the card. Guys like Sin Cara, Barrett, Miz, Kofi Kingston are frequent mid-carders, hence they're guys that Axel should go up against on a regular basis.

RVD only recently arrived in WWE and I won't be at all surprised if he winds up feuding with Axel very soon. Christian is also a logical choice but he might be WHC after SummerSlam. If not, then Christian will probably be right smack in the middle of either the IC or US title pictures. In the grand scheme of things, I just don't see what's to complain about. Axel is doing a solid job as mid-card champion, he's having good matches against mid-card opponents and is being booked as a mid-card champion generally should. If he's not getting the same sort of hype & attention as guys like Cena, Orton, Bryan, Punk & Lesnar; it's because he's not supposed to since he's, and I can't say this enough, a mid-card star at the moment.
 
In my opinion they are moving him along nicely. Sure he is beating mid-card jabronis now but he is DESTROYING them. He is gaining prestige by hanging onto the IC belt. Like other posters have said the next step is a a couple decent feuds where he retains the belt. I would LOVE to see a Cody Rhodes vs. Axel feud but I guess that ain't gonna happen for a while. Kingston was a good suggestion I've seen in this thread.

I could even see RVD giving Axel a little rub by putting on great matches in some kind of Heyman angle. Heyman approaches RVD to join his "stable" and he declines and talks trash on Paul starting the feud.


They are taking their time. They held him off TV for a couple weeks which I thought was a good move. Make people wanna see the guy instead of shoving him down throats.
 
Saying he was a mistake is pushing it quite a bit. Why exactly would he be considered a mistake? Because he isnt getting count out victories over some of the M.E. guys anymore? That was never going to last long and anyone thinking he would continue that or be placed in the M.E. long term because of it is a fool.



It served a purpose and then he moved on. For what he is, Axel is doing great. At the end of the day he is a mid-card heel champ and doing just fine at it. Seems he got the strap as a temporary holder because Fandango wasnt 100% and that isnt an odd thing to have happen in the WWE. He does have an added boost that most would not in his situation (Heyman) so I guess people just assumed he would stay in the M.E. permanently.



Which is strange when you think about why people would expect that? He is still young and how often have young mid card guys came in to the M.E. picture and stay for very long? Not enough to warrant calling someone a mistake when they drop back to the mid card- and especially not when they get a title out of it. I dont expect Axel to shatter any new ground or anything, but failure? Nope. Not currently.




The least you all could do is wait for him to drop the belt before you call his run a failure. More than likely the same fickle internet fans calling him a failure now will be singing his praises again down the line. You folks just cant see something through till the end or have your eyes open enough to see the method to the madness that is WWE. Strange, because so many of you claim to have watched for decades, yet are so shocked when the most basic wrestling booking takes place.
 
I think his position right now in the WWE is good for both the short and long term. He has been fortunate in that he is being paired with guys who can work great matches. Axel has delivered some decent matches which is obviously a good thing. Moreover, he is part of the Punk/Heyman/Lesnar storyline. Going from not even on TV to working with Punk and Lesnar in the space of 4 months is an incredible achievement.

Realistically, I can see him facing Punk at a PPV after SummerSlam which would be fantastic for Axel. After that it is difficult to predict but he has been working with top stars and is getting over as a heel due to his alliance with Heyman. It can only be good for Axel.
 
Curtis Axel is a long term prospect. Being the IC champion means nothing but pairing him with Paul Heyman was a good idea. I personally don't see Curtis Axel as a future WWE champion and maybe that's just me. He will be a solid mid card guy but main event? just don't see it. I would rather they paired Heyman with Ryback anyday.
 
Im surprised not one person responding to this thread has brought up quite possibly the biggest problem here: the fact that the IC title means close to squat STILL. If it werent for the US title it would b at the bottom of the line as far as mens singles titles. I know Cody had a good run and they r banking on Axels lineage and Heyman backing him to bring both life to Axel AND the IC belt but thats not enough. I dont need to go into a rant about the history of the title we all know the prestige that it used to hold. Ive said it in other threads and I will say it here, get rid of the US title. As long as thats around as another midcard belt it helps devalue the IC title. Hell, if a member of Shield werent holding it I would have no clue where the title was and that interest has already nearly faded. Unify the top titles. There is no true brand split anymore so there is no need for 2 heavyweight titles. Lets face it, the WHC is the IC title of 20 years ago. And lastly start now. The only way to get Axel over as well as the IC belt is to turn to him feuding with upper mid card talent and main eventers. Imagine a feud with Orton or even Orton holding the title for a while while blazing through the mid card and main event as a top heel and IC title holder... this is of course just an example you can use with other superstars as well but it will bring interest and a new breath of life to the title. I think at this point Axel as IC champ is neither good nor bad because the title really doesnt hold much weight right now but its still better than nothing and is a good prop to help put Axel in a position for success but like any title run no matter the title, ur only as good as the storyline and ur ability. As an older fan I would love to see the IC title mean something again and they can start now if booked correctly
 
Saying he was a mistake is pushing it quite a bit. Why exactly would he be considered a mistake? Because he isnt getting count out victories over some of the M.E. guys anymore? That was never going to last long and anyone thinking he would continue that or be placed in the M.E. long term because of it is a fool.



It served a purpose and then he moved on. For what he is, Axel is doing great. At the end of the day he is a mid-card heel champ and doing just fine at it. Seems he got the strap as a temporary holder because Fandango wasnt 100% and that isnt an odd thing to have happen in the WWE. He does have an added boost that most would not in his situation (Heyman) so I guess people just assumed he would stay in the M.E. permanently.



Which is strange when you think about why people would expect that? He is still young and how often have young mid card guys came in to the M.E. picture and stay for very long? Not enough to warrant calling someone a mistake when they drop back to the mid card- and especially not when they get a title out of it. I dont expect Axel to shatter any new ground or anything, but failure? Nope. Not currently.




The least you all could do is wait for him to drop the belt before you call his run a failure. More than likely the same fickle internet fans calling him a failure now will be singing his praises again down the line. You folks just cant see something through till the end or have your eyes open enough to see the method to the madness that is WWE. Strange, because so many of you claim to have watched for decades, yet are so shocked when the most basic wrestling booking takes place.
You see nightmare I have watched WWE since I was like 4 or 5 years old. I think having Curtis Axel as the Intercontinental Champion is the best thing for the title right now. Same with Ambrose and the United States Title.
 
At least Axel is doing SOMETHING. It doesn't take much to all of a sudden book him in 5 IC Title matches in a cpl month span, that he wins, and people start praising him. I feel like Axel is knocking on the door of relevance. He is SO close. I like the repackaging. The name, his look, his history, Heyman and his entrance music is all part of a gimmick waiting to kick that door down.

Curtis Axel working with Punk will at least put some spotlight right on the IC Champion. Maybe not the IC title itself right away, but I just continue to keep faith that soon he will get over. It wouldn't take much to book a guy with his skill set in a positive manner and make a "star."
 
Curtis Axel as Intercontinental Champion is NOT a mistake. WWE made the right call when they gave him the belt. Sure he had faced guys like John Cena and Triple H, but this title reign is a chance for him to establish himself. You can't just give a wrestler a huge push right into the main event, that doesn't always work. This benefits the belt as well as Axel himself. He gets to follow in his father's footsteps by holding the same belt his father once held, and someone with the skills that Axel has will be good for the title in the long run. It is in great need of someone who can put on strong title defenses to help it seem important again.

Not giving Curtis Axel this opportunity and rushing straight into a WWE Championship feud with John Cena would have been the mistake. A chance to restore importance to the Intercontinental Championship and Paul Heyman in his corner assisting him? This is no mistake. It was a great decision. This needs to be a lengthy title reign, that way they can elevate the face who gets to be the one to finally dethrone Curtis Axel. Then he can be moved further up the card. He'll be World Heavyweight Champion or possibly even WWE Champion someday. People need to stop being impatient and just enjoy the show. We have great wrestlers holding BOTH midcard belts right now, that happens rarely these days.
 
I completely do not like this thread, think about it, the whole reason he became champion was to help build him up with his momentum, him facing Sin Cara and winning via pinfall showed he can actually win without getting counted out, Him beating the Miz who is a former WWE/United States/Intercontinental Champion in his own right showed not only is he a main event player, but in his own right can do it with or without Paul Heyman.

Now personally I think his losses to Jericho were a mistake because Jericho left immediately after and it slowed his momentum but he is still in a lot better standings then some others who were getting Depushed lately, Fandango while in the MITB ladder match beat Jericho at WM, yet has lost multiple matches on Television as of late, so I can't complain if they are not giving him main event matches every time, hell even Mr. perfect had to fight Barry Horowitz on Superstars every now and then...
 
I like Axle and believe he has potential and I agree with the OP that they shouldn't have rushed the IC Title on him. I like the way he was debuted but why not make winning the IC Title his goal and dedicate winning it to his dad? Why did they have to rush it? The way they debute him their was no reason to rush putting a title on him. The only way to make his IC reign meaningful is to have him hold the title for a year (and that is getting old), Hell I don't even remember who he beat to win it. Its amazing how WWE can have such good ideas for a guy then fuck shit up so quickly
 
I like Axle and believe he has potential and I agree with the OP that they shouldn't have rushed the IC Title on him. I like the way he was debuted but why not make winning the IC Title his goal and dedicate winning it to his dad? Why did they have to rush it? The way they debute him their was no reason to rush putting a title on him. The only way to make his IC reign meaningful is to have him hold the title for a year (and that is getting old), Hell I don't even remember who he beat to win it. Its amazing how WWE can have such good ideas for a guy then fuck shit up so quickly

Because the PPV he won the title at coincidentally occurred on Father's Day, so they wanted to have some type of "feel good" moment of Axel winning "his dad's belt" on Father's Day.
 
I think he's exactly where he should be. He's getting a good push, has a great mouth piece and isn't being fed to the main eventers on a weekly basis like the IC champion usually is. I have no problem with how Curtis Axel is currently being used.
 
The comparison of how Curtis Axel started life under that name..... and what he's doing now..... is causing the confusion. After all, when you begin by beating up John Cena, Triple H and Chris Jericho, where are you supposed to go from there? I was afraid they were going to make him the WWE champion in his first month and wondered how in the hell they could take a guy that was kept off the main roster for several years and suddenly make him the biggest star in the company.:confused:

In truth, what he's doing now and whom he's facing in the ring seems more like what the Intercontinental champion should be doing, no? I don't know whether the company purposely slowed down his push due to factors we can only guess at.....or whether they have something monumental in mind for him in the near future.

If they do, I still don't know why....but then, I didn't know why they changed his name and had him explode onto our screens in the first place. This one involves the mysterious minds of the creative department and we mere mortals cannot hope to understand what in hell they're doing.
 
OMG Axel is soooo freaking hawt and that IC title wrapped around his waste makes him look even more sexy in super tight spandex. I wish I was his man.
 
You see nightmare I have watched WWE since I was like 4 or 5 years old. I think having Curtis Axel as the Intercontinental Champion is the best thing for the title right now. Same with Ambrose and the United States Title.



I really would not go as far as saying he is the best thing for the title. He is doing well for his position and that is the point the OP is missing.


Ambrose? Yea, maybe the best thing now for the US Title, but Hennig isnt going to lift the IC title up further. He is doing great now, but there are others that could do better making it seem more important just by defending it. Unfortunately the ones that could are just part time guys (Y2J, RVD, Regal) and a small handful of younger full time wrestlers.


I dont think the IC title is going to mean what it used to for a while. It really isnt about who is wearing it, but more-so about the stance creative\Vince has when booking. If they change their mind on how important the belt is, then things will change on screen. But until then, why fault a guy who is doing great with what he has?



Who knows, in the end- Hennig may have a better run with the belt than Fandango would\will have. Time will tell, so stay tuned to next week's episode of VKM Island....
 
I think Axel's first match being with Triple H made sense given the connection with Heyman and Triple H coming straight off the feud with Brock. It was the follow up with Cena that perhaps had people thinking he was going to pushed straight to the top.

I look at it like an F1 race, he got off to a fast start and then settled back into a position that allows him to grow into the race, developing as the IC champion while also helping that title regain some luster.

Right now he could do with, at the very least, a hungry contender challenging him for the title, a string of successful defenses will elevate him and the title, showcasing both is key, he doesn't need to be working the top names as all he'll be doing is jobbing.
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Members online

No members online now.

Forum statistics

Threads
174,851
Messages
3,300,884
Members
21,726
Latest member
chrisxenforo
Back
Top